<AphelionZ>
i bet you could use cloudflare or something, yeah/
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<AphelionZ>
does using Cloudflare for SSL go against the whole decentralization thing, philosophically?
<lgierth>
nah doesn't matter - it's not any less decentral than the ipfs.io gateway itself
<AphelionZ>
ok cool :)
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<AphelionZ>
i assume somebody will figure out true decentralized ssl sometime
<Kythyria[m]>
Sure. It's called tor.
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<Hitechcg>
I like i2p better
<Hitechcg>
at least for decentralized encryption
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<AphelionZ>
ah, im just looking to enable https on my site
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<deltab>
kpcyrd: Cache-Control immutable doesn't mean the file is cached forever; it means that while it's in the cache, there's no need to contact the server to check if it's still fresh
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<cyberwolf[m]>
its traffic ipfs can kill the ssd drive?
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<ehmry>
me
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<cjd[m]>
r0kk3rz: there's quite a bit that's new since the last fosdem talk in Cryptpad, plus new ideas we have not yet implemented
<r0kk3rz>
cjd[m]: sounds cool :)
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<Icefoz>
ChrisMatthieu: How do you justify the fact that idle CPU's and GPU's are generally idle to save energy, and cranking them up to do other things will often be less energy-efficient than using dedicated processors in a data center?
<Icefoz>
Also, isn't this just BOINC?
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<r0kk3rz>
pfft, externalities
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<Icefoz>
I've barely even started on the externalities. :-P
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<ehmry>
BOINC don't do javascript
<r0kk3rz>
this 'blockless ledger' sounds a lot like a 'database' :)
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<ChrisMatthieu>
BOINC runs a single algo with different datasets. Computes is decentralized and distributed and runs anything. We started with Javascript but will soon provide docker containers capable of running Python, C, Go, Java, etc.
<ChrisMatthieu>
In addition to using IPFS for our mesh networking, file system, and pubsub messaging, we are using IPFS as the DAG for our blockless ledger (similar to IOTA)
<ChrisMatthieu>
Icefoz: We are initially marketing Computes as B2B to companies that need more computing power for AI without purchasing more hardware or cloud servers.
<Icefoz>
What is IOTA, out of curiosity?
<Icefoz>
And, all right, that answers my questions. Thanks. :-)
<Icefoz>
Well, apart from, what incentivizes people to donate their computing power?
<r0kk3rz>
Icefoz: another cryptocurrency type thing
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<Icefoz>
Ah,
<ChrisMatthieu>
Eventually we may position computes as B2C like Golem and SONM where users get paid in crypto for donating computes but for now it's strictly being marketed as B2B to very large companies.
<Icefoz>
Forgive me, I'm not going to upvote until I understand the meat instead of the hype.
<ChrisMatthieu>
No worries. I appreciate your questions and your IPFS support.
<Icefoz>
So you're currently aiming to let companies harness the computing power of all the desktops and such they have sitting around idle anyway?
<r0kk3rz>
ChrisMatthieu: how are you going to ensure accurate computation?
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<miflow[m]>
ChrisMatthieu: do you have an irc channel? for these questions?
<iamruinous>
#computes
<miflow[m]>
🤦 would be nice to write that on the website, for the stupid like me
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<ChrisMatthieu>
Icefoz: Exactly. Servers, workstations, IoT devices, mobile devices. We can even leverage consumer browsers for computing.
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<Icefoz>
All right, that's reasonable.
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<ChrisMatthieu>
r0kk3rz: We can validate results by spot checking the DAG and/or kernels can ask for additional computations to validate.
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<pierce>
ChrisMatthieu: is this like, web hosting, or raw compute power?
<Icefoz>
Sounds like raw compute power.
<ChrisMatthieu>
pierce: It's raw computing power but soon you will be able to write computes-powered DApps on the platform too
<ChrisMatthieu>
with apps, input files, and output files hosted on IPFS
<ChrisMatthieu>
and tools to trace the IPFS DAG for logs etc
<ChrisMatthieu>
with support for both serial-like machine learning computations as well as massively parallel scientic computing
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<pierce>
I've mostly been tracking Golem for this sort of thing, the compute economy is going to be a pretty big deal when it starts taking off, and it's good to see people building off IPFS
<lgierth>
ChrisMatthieu: hey congratulations :):)
<ChrisMatthieu>
Thank you!!!
<Icefoz>
Congrats on finding a good use case for a dubious-sounding idea. ;-) I hope it works out well!
<Icefoz>
Not even being sarcastic there. It's a clever niche.
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<r0kk3rz>
yeah, the main problem is that you're competing directly with PoW cryptocurrencies
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<Icefoz>
Are they? Companies probably aren't going to want to bother mining bitcoin on their user desktops.
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<Poeticode>
hm, is there a way to restart the ipfs daemon? It seems my gateway slows up a ton after a while, and it'd be nice to set up a cronjob to just restart the process every hour or so.
<Poeticode>
I suppose I could maybe write a bash script that kills the `ipfs daemon` process via PID, then run the `ipfs daemon` command again?
<Icefoz>
Poeticode: I have one of those, gimme a sec.
<Icefoz>
Ah, it just calles `service ipfs restart` because I've made a systemd service for it.
<Icefoz>
Oh, update the User and Group lines as well.
<Icefoz>
It restarts on crash as well, so if the ipfs daemon dies for some reason (sayyyyyyy, OOM-killed, just to pick a situation completely at random) it'll get restarted.
<ChrisMatthieu>
r0kk3rz: I don't view the other blockchain based startups as competition. We don't require mining and we're not handicapped by ethereum's 12 transaction per second problem.
<r0kk3rz>
ChrisMatthieu: people are using compute cycles to generate crypto coins... so you need to pay better than mining
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<r0kk3rz>
which of course, isnt a constant thing
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<Icefoz>
If your big company's accounting department desktops don't have a GPU then you're not going to make money on crypto mining
<Icefoz>
But they might still be useful to run batch jobs so you don't have to add more infrastructure to do the same thing.
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<ChrisMatthieu>
We already have the University of Wisconsin using Computes in their labs for Parkinsons Disease research.
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<Icefoz>
Yeah see, that should be on your website. :-P
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<Icefoz>
Your hype message does not sound realistic. Your actual business plan does.
<ChrisMatthieu>
Good feedback. It's all still work in progress :)
<Icefoz>
I know the feeling!
<Icefoz>
Just sayin'. Market to the people who actually are going to be interested in what you provide. Those people are mostly going to look at "train neural networks on your security cameras" and "build RPi supercomputers" and know that isn't practical.
<Icefoz>
"Exploit idle desktops that your organization already controls to do batch processing that benefits your organization, securely and easily with low setup costs" is a much more compelling story.
<lgierth>
s/exploit/utilize/
<lgierth>
:P
<Icefoz>
I want that already, and my organization already *has* a dozen systems for doing ML number-crunching. They're just utilized poorly 'cause setting up a real cluster is a PITA.
<Icefoz>
Touche. :-P
<Icefoz>
Anyway, I'm rambling. Should get back to actual work.
<JCaesar>
Icefoz: That "idle desktops" thingy… Hasn't that been tried like 15 years ago or so?
<JCaesar>
(Needless to say, it wasn't successful.)
<r0kk3rz>
desktops are a lot more powerful now than 15 years ago though
<JCaesar>
Sure, but the balance between compute, memory and interconnect speed hasn't changed much, as far as I'm aware…
<ehmry>
the production of fungible goods has a tendency to centralized due to economies of scale
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<Poeticode>
Thanks Icefoz, it works like a charm :D
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<Icefoz>
Poeticode: Huzzah!
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<Poeticode>
if I have another server that I'd like to also pin my site, do I just run `ipfs get [most_recent_hash]` then `ipfs pin add [most_recent_hash]`?
<Icefoz>
Yep. You don't need to do the "get" first, even.
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<Ronsor_>
Icefoz: as far as mining goes -- I would disagree. You could mine bytecoin or monero.
<Ronsor_>
Still wastes power though
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<Poeticode>
hmmm one more newb question... Is there a way to see what the most recent hash is for a folder?
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<Poeticode>
ah I suppose I can just do another `ipfs add` to get it
<Poeticode>
hm, it hangs when I do `ipfs pin add [hash]` on this windows box. But it shows up fine when I go directly to `localhost:8080/ipfs/[hash]/`
<Poeticode>
The DAG is also fine
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