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<con>
I'm a bit confused on how to use js-ipld-dag-cbor so that the multihash of a parent embedding a child is the same as a parent linking to a child. I do see some undocumented (and/or commented out) magic incantations being done in replaceCIDbyTAG and tagCID.
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<con>
Earlier I was fiddling a bit with js-ipld-dag-cbor to attempt to get the same hash of a parent object when either linking to or embedding a child object.
<con>
I'm assuming that this behaviour is intentional. That they are in fact different objects.
<con>
I'm trying to get to the point of a 'sparse' DAG, where any part of the DAG can be replaced by a hash of that object, in order to not having to send the complete DAG.
<con>
Is this at all possible without explicitly creating links in the DAG?
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<metaphysician>
Hello, why don't we make ISPs implement cjdns at the network level? Each user will specify a list of his friends. The ISP will provision dedicated symmetrical logical links with reserved bandwidths to his friends, and one logical link to the whole of Internet.
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<whyrusleeping>
that would be pretty sweet
<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: we need to make this happen to save the world. :)
<whyrusleeping>
i dont disagree
<whyrusleeping>
packet level encryption and routing will stop all this net neutrality nonsense
<whyrusleeping>
if a given router cant see where a packet is supposed to be going farther than one hop from it, it cant easily censor it
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<metaphysician>
When you have reserved bandwidth, you can do lot of fun stuff. You can keep the link busy with random data, so as to make metadata surveillance impossible.
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<metaphysician>
If source and destination nodes are linked via chain of friends, packets don't have to enter the Internet.
<lgierth>
"farther than one hop from it" => onion routing
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<lgierth>
we can do various modes of onion routing: with strict anonymity against a global adversary a la tor, or with less anonymity where you simply can only see the next hop
<metaphysician>
lgierth: Tor does not work because packets can travel through unfriendly nodes. If source and destination are linked via chain of friends, there is a fully trusted path.
<metaphysician>
If anyone breaks trust, they will be unfriended.
<lgierth>
i don't thing people-centric routing will work sufficiently
<lgierth>
how do you roam
<lgierth>
or will you still connect to your peers over the internet, for all time?
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<lgierth>
this kind of overlay network is suitable as a transition strategy, but ideally i want to eat up the internet, not create people-centric islands within it
<lgierth>
or in other words, replace BGP and OSPF, instead of building another glorified VPN
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<con>
lgierth: Tor doesn't offer anonymity against a global (passive) adversary at all. If you can listen to the guard node and the exit node, you can correlate the traffic due to the low latency.
<lgierth>
right, yeah that expressed badly
<metaphysician>
lgierth: roaming is a problem, but that is due to physical limitation. It does not cancel the merits of the model I am proposing.
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<metaphysician>
If you can solve that cleverly using, say low orbit satellites, then the model becomes irresistable. :) No need to traverse unfriendly nodes.
<lgierth>
yeah why use fiber if we can have slow ass satellites!! :)
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth oh hush
<metaphysician>
lgierth: You mean roaming only in cities? When I say roaming I mean any co-ordinates on the planet.
<lgierth>
i'd be interested in tunneling stuff through facebook messenger via internet.org satellites once that's a thing
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<lgierth>
yeah just generally moving around in the topology. you won't neccessarily be somewhere where you have friends
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<lgierth>
the perspective i'm coming from is: how can crypto protocols (i.e. ones that don't trust in authorities and hierarchies) take over all this awesome existing infrastructure, and encourage even more awesome infrastructure
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<metaphysician>
lgierth: you don't need to be geographically closer to all your friends all the time. In the worst case the packet will revolve three times around the planet before reaching destination. :)
<metaphysician>
s/three/small number/
<lgierth>
i don't know man -- but it's a use case that i want to have supported in the upcoming libp2p networking/routing work
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<lgierth>
i'd like to decouple routing (i.e. discovering routes) from the act of passing packets around
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<lgierth>
i.e. one mechanism for passing packets around, and N mechanisms for discovering/constructing routes
<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: what do you think?
<whyrusleeping>
+1 to decoupling peer discovery and routing
<whyrusleeping>
though that introduces weird complexities
<whyrusleeping>
and delays that we arent currently used to
<lgierth>
routing on the current internet only looks simple
<whyrusleeping>
oh, i know
<whyrusleeping>
but we don't currently have to construct a path before sending a packet
<lgierth>
because they decided to concentrate all the routing complexity in five-digit devices
<whyrusleeping>
and constructing a path potentially requires network lookups
<lgierth>
well... you need to figure out a gateway to forward your packets to
<whyrusleeping>
but you only have to do that once
<whyrusleeping>
once your local routes are set up, its done
<lgierth>
yeah was just nitpicking :)
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<whyrusleeping>
in a system with routing separated out, you have to construct a path for each new target peer youre talking wtih
<lgierth>
what will be pretty unique among mesh-ish routing protocols is the ability to defer routing to other nodes
<whyrusleeping>
right
<whyrusleeping>
sane fast fallbacks
<lgierth>
and then you can have a whole other family of protocols for building a routing helper network
<lgierth>
by now i'm thinking routing is a better place to put our axe on than packet transit
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<lgierth>
of course i'm handwaving a lot :)
<metaphysician>
and right now most protocols we have are synchronous (for eg. www), we need asynchronous versions of all the protocols too.
<lgierth>
synchronous/asynchronous as in request/response vs. store+forward-ish?
<metaphysician>
yes
<lgierth>
yep good point
<lgierth>
i'll go get some burgers
<whyrusleeping>
mmm, youre reminding me how hungry i am
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<metaphysician>
this will be useful in p2p/decentralized search too. I can send a search query, and expect to get most responses in few days.
<whyrusleeping>
metaphysician: that gets into needing provable execution
<whyrusleeping>
you want people to be able to respond with several hashes, and a proof that they match your query
<lgierth>
better make that search index an immutable data structure that you can locate and fetch with ipfs
<lgierth>
example: the search on tr.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org
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<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: why? if all are friends most problems disappear. A group of friends can set up and announce a common trusted indexer.
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<whyrusleeping>
true, but the assumption you'll always have connections to friends (and transient trust in general) isnt a strong one
<whyrusleeping>
you're going to end up in untrusted environments frequently
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<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: you can mark links with their levels of trust, and decide which links to use based on trust level required. Ultimately, humans have to always trust someone.
<lgierth>
hehehe and i thought *i* was handwaiving :P
<whyrusleeping>
that devolves into 'everyone trusts google'
<lgierth>
gonna go for those burgers now
<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: No, trust only your friends. Why isn't my assumption weak? You'll know when you are in untrusted environment.
<whyrusleeping>
the trust only your friends model is nice for small communities
<whyrusleeping>
but it doesnt scale to a global world-wide web
<whyrusleeping>
you just end up coralling yourself into an echo chamber
<whyrusleeping>
and being essentially walled off from the rest of the world
<metaphysician>
whyrusleeping: why not? It should and it will. We are all connected.
<whyrusleeping>
we are all connected. And i dont trust a single one of the computers between me and you
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<metaphysician>
You have to trust only your friend's. If he breaks your trust, you no longer trust it, and use other friend's.
<codedread>
still learning this stuff, coming at it from a web developer standpoint
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<codedread>
i think i've integrated ipfs support in my client-side webapp - I'm calling Ipfs.createNode() somewhere in my JS
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<codedread>
does that mean I am "running a node" ?
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<codedread>
here's what I did... I have a web app that can load in files from the local filesystem, i run it via a local webserver and load in a file from the hard drive, and then ipfs.files.add() it and get a hash...
<codedread>
then in a separate browser tab, i run the app on github.com and try to load in that hash
<codedread>
in both tabs, i'm seeing a bunch of websockets
<codedread>
is the local tab (#1) uploading/seeding this file (something like bittorrent) to nodes out there on the internet and then the github tab (#2) getting the file through these websockets?
<lgierth>
codedread: yes that means you're running an ipfs node in your page
<codedread>
lgierth: thanks
<codedread>
if i'm seeing a bunch of download frames on tab #2 from wss://wss1.bootstrap.libp2p.io/ does that mean some server out there has the file and i'm trickling it in?
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<lgierth>
that's one of the other ipfs nodes that yours is connected to
<lgierth>
over the websockets transport
<codedread>
right - so if there is a lot of activity there, that means it's steadily getting the file?
<codedread>
the next thing i'm trying to understand is how I can monitor this from the web app to show download progress, basically
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