lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs 0.4.13 is out! Please try out: https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.13 | Also: #libp2p #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0
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<jrockjiggz> Hello. I just found out about IPFS and I think it's brilliant! I'm a little confused though... If a deamon is running which connects your local ipfs (???) if the deamon is killed, then do the files go dead on the gateway?
<jrockjiggz> The website mentions immutable, permanent IPFS links.. how is it permanent?
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<voker57> jrockjiggz: they are permanent as in "available regardless of who is hosting the file"
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<jrockjiggz> voker57: so... the data is uploaded to the gateway, then. distributed?
<voker57> data is advertised, not uploaded. If gateway receives request for your data, it downloads it and serves
<voker57> there is no implicit distribution of your data
<jrockjiggz> So if a web app is deployed from a server running the daemon. If that server goes down, then the files are inaccessable. I do not understand the decentrilization
<voker57> if somebody else "pins" the web app data, it's still available
<jrockjiggz> where does the data live? (if the server is offline)
<voker57> on other servers which chose to download the data (like any gateway you access the web app from, for some time)
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<jrockjiggz> The gateways must need quite a bit of storage?
<voker57> so, like, you at 1.1.1.1 add data to IPFS -> somebody else downloads it at 2.2.2.2 -> somebody else at 3.3.3.3 downloads data from you both, or whoever is available
<jrockjiggz> Do you know how long on the data persists? on average..
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<jrockjiggz> oh ic
<jrockjiggz> thats perfect for web apps.
<jrockjiggz> nice stuff
<voker57> depends on server administrator, hard to know
<jrockjiggz> thank you for explaining
<voker57> gateways can provide as much space as that like, there's automatic GC routine to keep cache size to set limits
<jrockjiggz> I didn't understand archiving, because most of archived data isn't accessed frequently.. so all the archived works would be centralized
<voker57> yeah... but it's very easy to mirror while not changing links
<jrockjiggz> true
<voker57> there's Filecoin project associated with IPFS which tries to address such problems
<jrockjiggz> Do you know where?
<jrockjiggz> Is it traded?
<voker57> it's not released yet
<jrockjiggz> oh ok
<voker57> but there was ICO which gathered quite a lot
<jrockjiggz> I was reading bluezelle whitepaper, which compared ipfs to the filesystem, as bluezelle to oracle/sql
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<jrockjiggz> awesome! is it based on eth?
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<voker57> I don't think so
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<MikeFair> So we've just uploaded a file to ipfs using a browser and JS-IPFS
<MikeFair> We can pull the CID using https://ipfs.io/ipfs/CID
<MikeFair> But I can't pull the file using my local commandline Go ipfs command
<MikeFair> Any thoughts anyone?
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<sid226> Hi! need help on ipfs-cluster
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<sid226> getting following on starting the docker ipfs-cluster : > IPFS ERROR: Post http://127.0.0.1:5001/api/v0/id: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:5001: getsockopt: connection refused
<sid226> basically ipfs daemon is not starting in ipfs-cluster container
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<sid226> i switched to IPFS Cluster v0.3.0. was using latest earlier
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<TyrfingMjolnir> sid226: ?
<TyrfingMjolnir> How?
<TyrfingMjolnir> Is there some bugs in latest iteration?
<sid226> i was getting above error for latest one. i swiched to v0.3.0 in docker-compose file
<sid226> now the ipfs daemon i starting fine
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<JCaesar> Hm, did something change about the CORS headers on gateway.ipfs.io? The little thingy I have running on https://goecam.liftm.de doesn't work anymore when I open it from firefox…
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<natewalck> Say I want to get stats about an ipfs node (for instance `ipfs bitswap stat`)
<natewalck> is it better to shellout to ipfs and use --enc=json
<natewalck> or would creating a custom go binary that can gather the data directly be more ideal?
<natewalck> (I'm trying to figure out the minimum amount of code necessary to get these stats and Println them)
<natewalck> I assume shelling out is more "safe" as if the code gets refactored internally, that command would still work as expected
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<Icefoz> natewalck: The IPFS HTTP API is also a thing.
<Icefoz> It's quite easy to use and semi-stable.
<Icefoz> And returns JSON anyway.
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<natewalck> @Icefoz O rly? I didn't realize that data was available via the HTTP API. That is way better than shelling out. Thanks! :)
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<rngkll> Hi, I'm trying to add a large number of files, about 1TB(ubuntu repository), when the add was just finishing, the server rebooted, Is there a way to resume the add or check if it finished?
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<voker57> rngkll: if you ipfs add it again, already present chunks will not be written again
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<rngkll> great
<rngkll> Every time I run the add, it was taking a lot of time, is a recursive add, lets check this time.
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<Icefoz> rngkll: It will still have to re-hash all the files to see if anything has changed, but it won't consume more storage.
<rngkll> Icefoz: would it take less time by not writing to disk?
<voker57> it does for me
<voker57> I use spinning disks so might be more pronounced for me though
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<rngkll> voker57: we are using HDDs as well :(
<Icefoz> rngkll: Yeah, depending on how fast your CPU is compared to your disks.
<Icefoz> Though the default ipfs web portal also won't follow symlinks
<rngkll> is there a way to parallelize the hashing of files?, i've been searching for ways, we have multiple CPUs and we are not stressing them
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<Icefoz> So now that I think of it, if the ubuntu repo is structured like the debian one then it will break when trying to follow symlinks. :-(
<Icefoz> idk, I thought the hashing was parallelized already.
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<rngkll> Icefoz: if I see the output, it goes sequentially file by file, not sure if that is only human perception
<voker57> it's just output format
<voker57> check your CPU and IO usage
<rngkll> As soon as the rsync finishes, I'll check the CPU and IO when the add starts
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<JCaesar> rngkll: Just so you know, somebody named elopio tried playing around with debian-style repos on ipfs and got bitten by the symlinks problem. /ipfs/QmTNL3t9h23ZUUSsRj1h4CaZ6SLQF6xFoLcve2gAMcLdWA contains the test-repo produced at that time, I think.
<JCaesar> (meanwhile, I'm updating my archlinuxes through ipfs. Works mehishly…)
<Icefoz> Yeah I tried with debian too: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/4486
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<JCaesar> Oh, right.
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<rngkll> JCaesar: Elopio and I are working on this, is the same project
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<rngkll> voker57: I have 32 xeon cores and the load average: 1.50, with iotop I only see 2 adds
<Icefoz> Aha, awesome.
<Icefoz> Though it should be able to use the ipfs daemon's existing HTTP gateway if we fix the symlink issue. :-P
<rngkll> :( I wanted to see something similar to 32 on the load averaga
<Icefoz> Though a proper apt transport would be cooler.
<Icefoz> ...yeah, that would be ideal. Hmm.
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<voker57> yeah, looks like it's non-multicore
<voker57> bottleneck might be in announcing though
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<rngkll> If I stop the daemon, is way faster and now I see a lot of process
<voker57> yeah, it's announcing
<voker57> if you add it w/o daemon availability will still be initially zero so that's not a real solution
<rngkll> what will be initially zero?
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<JCaesar> availability of the content.
<voker57> network will not know of your added data until it gets randomly announced
<voker57> iirc there's some work going on on making deferred but reliable announcing
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<JCaesar> I'll eventually have to understand the technical details… I wonder if there could be some heuristic like "he had the parent node. chances are, he's gonna have the child."
<rngkll> is it the same as adding --local?
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<voker57> JCaesar: I believe bitswap code already makes that assumption
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<voker57> rngkll: to what?
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<voker57> ah, it's undocumented
<JCaesar> voker57: Then it should be so bad to not have everything announced, no? A package repo would be accessed starting from some root node anyway… As soon as that is announced…
<voker57> not necessarily
<voker57> also there might be different root nodes for bytes you're seeking
<voker57> so lowers availability
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<voker57> rngkll: yes, it's the same
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<rngkll> if the daemon is running, with --local I get between 2 and 3 process
<rngkll> if daemon is not running I get more that 8
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<voker57> interesting
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<jesse22> how do i cross compile with the go-ipfs makefile?
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