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<MikeFair>
o/!
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<Stskeeps>
without having studied the code very deepily, are there anything a js-ipfs instance could benefit from having locally provided by a process on let's say a device or computer, or more centralized service?
<Stskeeps>
i presume a on-device cache could help
<Stskeeps>
(we're looking at dapps + ipfs + mobile device where we control the OS part)
<Stskeeps>
or something that can maintain connection/awareness of peers
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<r0kk3rz>
Stskeeps: why not the go daemon?
<Stskeeps>
could be
<Stskeeps>
but was wondering about something more lightweight
<r0kk3rz>
i find it funny how people seem to think js-ipfs == lightweight
<r0kk3rz>
i think you can turn off a bunch of the extra things on the go-ipfs node
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<Darkriser>
ipfs novice here. I've downloaded ipfs (binary), created a symlink in /usr/local/bin, initialized repo, modified config (replaced address 127.0.0.1 for API and Gateway with actual LAN address) and started daemon. From CLI everything seems working, can see traffic, around 300+ peers. However when I browse http://<ip address>:5001/webui, there's no data. All entries are empty (Peer ID, Location, Agent Version,
<Darkriser>
etc.). In Connections I see 0 peers. Any hints, pls?
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<Darkriser>
Actually, I don't miss webui, I love CLI and do almost everything in terminal, I'm just curious...
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<hellyeah>
hey
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<hellyeah>
let say you have 20 nodes but the distance between nodes are really far from each other. How do ipfs give a way to connect node to each other?
<voker57>
distance?
<voker57>
do you mean dht distance or geographic distance or?
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<hellyeah>
geoghraphic?
<hellyeah>
sorry
<hellyeah>
geographic distance
<hellyeah>
yeah ,
<hellyeah>
what is dht distance btw?
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<voker57>
distance between node IDs, used in DHT
<voker57>
ipfs does not care about distance between nodes, they connect to each other using TCP
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<hellyeah>
let me check
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<victorbjelkholm>
hellyeah: depending on what you need to do, you don't have to connect nodes manually or interact with the DHT directly
<victorbjelkholm>
`ipfs.files.add` would add a file to your local ipfs node and announce that on the dht. Then other nodes can take that hash, and do `ipfs.files.cat` for example, and IPFS will lookup in dht who has that content, but you shouldn't have to interact with the dht directly to able to do this, all of this is happening under the hood
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<hellyeah>
victorbjelkholm, good news
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<hellyeah>
so
<hellyeah>
connect can be maintained automatically
<hellyeah>
thats nice
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<brimstone>
i started the daemon with --enable-pubsub-experiment on two achines, i then started "ipfs pubsub sub" on one, and "while true; do date | ipfs pubsub pub; sleep 1; done" on another
<brimstone>
i'm not seeing the messages show up on the subscriber. what am i doing wrong?
<brimstone>
the daemons have been up for several minutes now
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<AphelionZ>
brimstone: if you run ipfs swarm peers are the two nodes connected?
<brimstone>
AphelionZ: i'll check
<AphelionZ>
Like you can run ipfs swarm peers | grep [the other peer id]
<brimstone>
from `ipfs id`, right?
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<brimstone>
no, they don't seem to be connected
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<gozala>
vmx: thanks for your comments in the pull
<gozala>
is there a chance we could make actionable list
<vmx>
gozala: sure
<vmx>
1. answer my questions ;)
<gozala>
Other than adding stuff to readme I’m not sure what else can I do at this point
<gozala>
vmx: I did already
<vmx>
oh let me check that first then
<gozala>
vmx: also I don’t mean to be rude but I can I still question why use of standard is so important ?
<vmx>
gozala: i think it's so important as all the js code protocol labs does uses it (and also many of the dependencies)
<vmx>
and not having to fight over style is a big win
<gozala>
vmx: as far as I can tell it does two things 1. enforces consistent style. 2. does some linting
<gozala>
later is done far better by type checker and 1st can be achieved far better with prettier better as in more consistent style
<gozala>
vmx: is there chance we could even explore that option
<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: it's just that we're already using it everywhere, gonna be a time sink to migrate so unless we get a lot of value from migrating, not sure it makes a lot of sense
<gozala>
vmx: as I already mentioned mostly you can get same output
<victorbjelkholm>
if prettier (or what you suggest) won't require enormous changes across all orgs, we can (should?) try it out
<gozala>
victorbjelkholm: can we try for things we’re trying to type-checker on ?
<gozala>
and see if output is similar enough that it’s non issue
<vmx>
gozala: i would say it's about the style, not about the tooling. if another tool enforces standard compatible style that should be fine (well it's fine for me, i don't know about others)
<gozala>
vmx: biggest difference for me prettier does not enforce anything it just formats it and does not care
<victorbjelkholm>
feels like we're gonna have big patches for a while, while we're migrating the code
<gozala>
vmx: victorbjelkholm we had a code base that was breaking stardandjs constantly
<gozala>
and prettier just formatted it once and we were done
<gozala>
victorbjelkholm: what do you mean ?
<victorbjelkholm>
most of us working daily on ipfs have standard locally in our editor, then we have CI and finally before release so it's checked multiple times
<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: for example, standard wouldn't enforce breaking up lines while prettier would, so if I run standard on a already existing project, everything is unchanged. With prettier, it would be a change while I didn't actually change anything
<gozala>
oh so you lint node_modules as well ?
<victorbjelkholm>
my only worry is having to migrate bunch of repos to a new repository
<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: no, no linting of node_modules
<gozala>
victorbjelkholm: yeah so what I’m suggesting don’t migrate everything to prettier
<gozala>
let’s just give it a try in cases where standard is painful with flow stuff
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<gozala>
and if it causes no issues and has similar output
<gozala>
just move one
<gozala>
maybe one day you’re going to migrate maybe the whole flow thing is going to be disaster
<victorbjelkholm>
if our prettier experiment works out ok, we should migrate away from standard and use only prettier. We should not have two different tools for essentially the same thing
<vmx>
gozala: i don't understand why prettier is so important. is it because flow is not standardjs compatible?
<victorbjelkholm>
does standard and flow not play nice together?
<gozala>
vmx: victorbjelkholm yeah standard doesn’t handle type annotations properly
<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: another question related to typing, did you do any exploration of flow vs typescript?
<gozala>
and it’s unable to auto-fix many thnigs
<vmx>
i'm reading the issues atm
<victorbjelkholm>
heh, I searched for "standard flow" and get github.com/Gozala/standard-flow as first hit
<vmx>
gozala: i don't care about auto-fixing (not sure about others)
<victorbjelkholm>
yeah, not sure auto-fixing is a big issue right now, the issues standard points out is pretty minor
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<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: meant to catch up on the issue way before, thanks for linking it again
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<gozala>
victorbjelkholm: vmx I mean again I don’t want to get into selling prettier that’s not what I’m after
<gozala>
but it would make workflow with flow better
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<gozala>
victorbjelkholm: vmx there are these subtle things like one import enforced by standard
<gozala>
but with flow you do import type {…} from “a” and import {fns} from “a"
<gozala>
which standard complains about
<gozala>
and only way to mitigate that to relax standard about that
<gozala>
and there are ton of other stupid things like that
<vmx>
is it things not possible in flow or not idiomatic in flow?
<gozala>
which were constant pain points, you could live with them and workaround with them
<gozala>
we’ve being doing it with our code base it’s just prettier made that go away
<miniuser>
hello
<miniuser>
anyone got time to answer newbie question?
<victorbjelkholm>
gozala: reading through the full github issue now and will leave feedback there instead. Otherwise we should continue in #ipfs-dev instead
<gozala>
vmx: it did not used to be possible now it is via import {x, type T} ...
<gozala>
vmx: I mean newer flow version allows that inline type import
<victorbjelkholm>
miniuser: ask away and hopefully someone knows the answer :)
<gozala>
still not idiomatic and far more verbose
<vmx>
victorbjelkholm: good point. gozala: can you join #ipfs-dev?
<miniuser>
hello victorbjelkholm
<miniuser>
ipfs is a daemon process? like server?
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<miniuser>
it needs a open port (port forward) on a routing device? like from the adsl modem to the computer running the ipfs daemon?
<victorbjelkholm>
there are multiple implementations. go-ipfs works as a daemon, and you would start go-ipfs and leave it running, while running the ipfs commands from somewhere else, hitting your daemon. js-ipfs can work in the browser, making it more like a client (but still, internally works as a daemon) that you can fetch files via the browser
<miniuser>
ok thx
<brimstone>
can anyone recommend a way to convert multihashes into words so they're easier to type without loss?
<miniuser>
and then ... if i want to use the ipfs ... i "upload a file" via browser-gateway-2-ipfs and then this file will get a hash, which is unique?
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<miniuser>
so every fiel/object on ipfs has its own address (the hash) so-to-speak?
<miniuser>
to link them all together in one huge filesystem it uses DHT?
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<victorbjelkholm>
brimstone: I'm pretty sure IPNS supports proquint but unsure about other parts of the ecosystem
<brimstone>
miniuser: multihashes uniquely identify blocks, which can contain data like a file, or other multihashes like a directory
<brimstone>
miniuser: the DHT is used to locate these blocks
<brimstone>
victorbjelkholm: thanks
<brimstone>
victorbjelkholm: i have a word to search for now
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<miniuser>
brimstone: ook. so assume i have a ipfs-node? and i get a file, say "cat.jpg" via its hash from another node, that file is ten on my node to? as "cat.jpg" or as the (sry) long-ass hashnumber? and then for example i make a copy of that "cat.jpg", delete it from my node and then re-upload it .. will then have the same has again as the original one?
<miniuser>
*same hash
<brimstone>
miniuser: yes, to all i think
<brimstone>
you have one multihash pointing at the blocks that are the contents of cat.jpg
<miniuser>
i asm asking 'cause i am wondering if it's possible to just create a gazillion (addresable) hash but with the same data over and over?
<brimstone>
you can't do that
<brimstone>
because the hashes identify the contents
<miniuser>
oh? that's neat! : )
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<miniuser>
so another question ... the "cat.jpg" becomes replicated .. that means .. assuming i upload the orignal "cat.jpg" and soemone else somewhere in the world "finds it" and downlaods it and i go offline with my node .. the "cat.jpg" is still "alive" on the other node of the person that downloaded the original from me (and now gone node)?
<brimstone>
when you upload cat.jpg, it loses its filename, effectively
<brimstone>
re-reading your question, yes
<miniuser>
ok .. so the "cat.jpg" DATA then
<brimstone>
since they find cat.jpg by way of the hash of the contents
<miniuser>
i ams asking because assuming i "browse" all the noides i am connected to to see what they are uploading ... all that DATA i automatically become a replicater off? like a cache of everything i touched? or how?
<brimstone>
you "opt-in" to sharing, only what you pull from others is shared out
<miniuser>
oh ok
<miniuser>
so in a way ... it's a endlessly growing cache of everything i touched on my HDD?
<brimstone>
yup
<miniuser>
by touched i mena "pulled"
<miniuser>
interesting
<brimstone>
so if you pull something you don't want to share, just remove it
<miniuser>
now just that question ... my node/daemon needs a open-port .. like port forwarding to work "most best(tm)"?
<brimstone>
yes, to work most best, but it's not necessary
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<miniuser>
ok : )
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<miniuser>
one last question ... the ip-address of my node can change but the ipfs will not care? thus if i for example upload "cat.jpg" DATA to my node it gets (or becomes?) a hash and i give/mail this hash to another person, it will be possible for the other person to find "cat.jpg" even if my public/global ip-address has changed?
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<miniuser>
and i has not been replicated to another node just yet? thus i am the sole provider of the DATA?
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<brimstone>
no, ipfs doesn't care who's hosting the content
<brimstone>
it uses the DHT to ask around for the content associated with the multihash
<brimstone>
and since the multihash uniquely identifies the content, you can be sure you're getting the right data
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<miniuser>
wait a minute ...
<miniuser>
assume that "cat.jpg" is a completly new file. it doesnt exist anymore yet. one user uploads it to his/her ipfs node but nobody knows this node. s/he then sends an email to a friend with the has to that data ... but takes the node offline. it cannot be found, obviously?
<miniuser>
*anymore=anywhere
<brimstone>
right
<miniuser>
but assuming the node is up and the friend access it .. and the orignal node THEN goes down ... then it is still DATA that is alive on the net, correct?
<brimstone>
right, the friend can share it with others now
<miniuser>
ok. i think i am starting to understand
<miniuser>
just one last question: i can "hash" a local directory? make a complete directory a "hash" "number" i can email .. and if i add or delete files in that directory that has been made accesible thru that "hash" the hash will not change?
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<miniuser>
the merkel part? that is?
<voker57>
1. yes 2. if you add or delete and re-hash it, hash will change
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<miniuser>
ok. i see the problem.
<miniuser>
the future not existant hash cannot be predicted
<miniuser>
solution. upload the file/DATA but with a predictable HASH, that means that a future hash can be referenced from a past/existing HASH by adding "non-sense data" to the DATA you want to reference in the future, BUT with control characters that strip out the "garbage" that was added to make the hash predictable?
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<miniuser>
example hash "a1" references a future hash that doesnt exist yet, say "a2" so add "junk" to that DATA so that it's hash becomes "a2" and then strip the junk
<brimstone>
predictable hashes are in the bounds of broken digests
<brimstone>
it's probably best to assume you can't predict the hash right now
<miniuser>
i had this problem of making a "file.txt" that holds bit-torrent magnet-links only (no trackers) and then turning this file itself into a magnet link.
<miniuser>
the problem was, that by adding new magnet links to the "file.txt" that the magnet changed ... thus making future references to an update impossible
<miniuser>
static or die
<Kythyria[m]>
Yup.
<Kythyria[m]>
That's why IPNS
<voker57>
otherwise anybody could 'update' your data for you
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<miniuser>
well ... i just had a beer and a cigarette and that also accured to me .. BUT then "signing" sprung to mind: public_private key thingy : )
<miniuser>
voker57: my problm was this, sry:
<voker57>
that's what IPNS uses
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<miniuser>
i go website to get magnet-hash of "your-favorit tv show X". a new episode every week. website goes down .. where do i find the next magnet-hash? if the data is a text-file "tv-show x.txt" with the magnet hashes inside of all previous episodes AND a "placeholder" for the future "tv-show x.txt" then even if the domainname of the website that provides magnet hashes if blocked/censored i can try next week to
<miniuser>
find the new magnet-hash (predicted placeholder hash) on the DHT to get the next week ... continue and un-censoreable : )
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<miniuser>
err ...
<miniuser>
yes?
<victorbjelkholm>
IPFS is a system for linking to the latest copy of data. So if under you node, you do `ipfs name publish`, it would be published under your peer ID. If you then publish again but with different hash, people can just refresh and they'll see the new data
<whyrusleeping>
Hey everyone! If youre feeling up to it, please try out the latest master of go-ipfs. We recently merged some really solid improvements that should have a noticeable impact on resource consumption
<whyrusleeping>
We're looking for feedback, try it out, let us know if anything seems to be not working as well as before. Its been pretty well tested, but you never know until real world users start playing with it
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<miniuser>
victorbjelkholm: look, some idiot did this: https://pastebin.com/JeB5RPX9 it references i dont know how many gigabytes of data. if you have that you can get lots of stuff. there's even a magnet has for the file itself "btih:01E9B9B5535349949400DF9DF14B2456A26C6E13" but how do we add a line to that text file that says "for the updated list (in the non existant future) use this ....... hash"?
<miniuser>
0_0
<victorbjelkholm>
miniuser: sorry, in my last message, I meant to say IPNS, not IPFS
<miniuser>
ok
<victorbjelkholm>
check out IPNS for hashes that can update
<miniuser>
ok. part to to ipfs : ) i will check!
<miniuser>
to=two
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<victorbjelkholm>
and for the future, please don't put any copyright protected material here, nor links to it
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<miniuser>
understand
<miniuser>
understood
<miniuser>
not endosring it just making an example for the problem
<miniuser>
for ..uhm .. ah .. future reference : )
<miniuser>
example.com is findable today and probably tomorrow. tho the content of the hash "example.com" might change the reference ("example.com") stays the same < the problem with the hash thing and DHT
<miniuser>
* ...might change,{"comma"} the reference ...
<miniuser>
anyways thanks for your all time and explain to me what i didn't understand!
<miniuser>
have anice day and good luck for your future endevours!
* miniuser
~waves "bbl"
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