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<beach> Good morning everyone!
<LdBeth> Morning
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<beach> I was listening to a talk (on YouTube) by Kelvin Henney, and he made a good argument against a particular style of laying out an argument list or a parameter list that won't fit on a single line, namely where you put the first argument or parameter on the same line as the function name and then you align the remaining arguments or parameters under the first one.
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<beach> The argument against is one of refactoring. One of the most common things to do during refactoring is to rename things.
<beach> Now, if you rename the function, then the arguments or parameters will likely no longer be aligned.
<beach> So you create additional work for yourself, or, worse, you miss some cases where you need to realign the arguments or parameters.
<beach> So, as a safe alternative, he suggests putting the first argument or parameter on a separate line.
<beach> And I agree with him, because it happened to me.
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<LdBeth> it’s like put function name after the line of type declaration in C so grep ^fname( can find the function definition
<LdBeth> A style made to fit the limited tools
<beach> Yes, I did that when I still programmed in C.
<no-defun-allowed> What CL datatypes other than lists, numbers and symbols can you use in ACL2? I can find defstructure (which is close to defstruct) but no vectors so far.
<Xach> no-defun-allowed: i don't know if anyone here knows about acl2
<Xach> it is certainly not a topic of discussion that i have ever seen
<no-defun-allowed> Well then. Would be nice to verify the correctness of a bytecode interpreter+compiler I'm working on.
<Xach> no-defun-allowed: good luck with it! i think email might work for help
<LdBeth> #'no-defun-allowed: you define axioms to create data types corresponds to CL data structures
<LdBeth> #'no-defun-allowed: ACL2 is not suited to verify Lisp programs
<no-defun-allowed> LdBeth: Hm... Maybe the prover won't be bog slow if we use lists in place of vectors though.
<LdBeth> Unless you’re willing to program with only well founded recursion
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<LdBeth> And without higher order functions
<LdBeth> #'no-defun-allowed: the prover supports vector, and it’s not interchangeable with lists in nature
<no-defun-allowed> Seriously? No higher order functions?
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<LdBeth> Because it’s first order Boyer Moore Logic
<LdBeth> You might mimic higher order with only macro
<no-defun-allowed> I'll have to check how much I'd have to modify to make my code ACL2-friendly then.
<LdBeth> Typically you don’t write entire program in pure lisp
<LdBeth> You only write specification for your critical algorithms
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<LdBeth> By pure lisp I mean the lisp language used by ACL2
<no-defun-allowed> I was looking at a guide for ACL2 and it demonstrated a little bytecode (more accurately, listcode) machine, language compiler and interpreter and proof that the machine would do the same thing as the interpreter.
<LdBeth> You can’t verify the actual machine or a particular implementation, with ACL2 you can only check the model
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<jdz> My idea is that you have a model, then you check the model with the tool (be it ACL2 or TLA+ or whatever); but then implementing said model correctly is separate and completely different task.
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<flip214> Can I tell LPARALLEL:MAKE-KERNEL to use the other scheduler (in central-scheduler.lisp)?
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<flip214> ah, #-lparallel.with-stealing-scheduler
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<cl-arthur> Hi! I want to make some web applications: any reccomendations on the approach? Grab hunchentoot and build on it directly? Grab a higher-level framework? (Which? Why?)
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<aoeu256> Lisp newbie here: anyone here use static types/contracts for Lisp? is it possible to generate types from doc tests (unit tests?). I'm thinking of creating a unit test "language" that can specify types and tests at the same time which will be a great form of testable documentation.
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<aoeu256> arthur: nope im a noob haha
<aoeu256> arthur: checking it out
<cl-arthur> might well be worth playing with Lisp in its usual dynamic form as a noob :P
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<aeth> cl-arthur: Like all things medium, I didn't expect much once I saw the URL, and I wasn't disappointed. A macro like that should use the same order as defmethod, with the type coming second in the lambda-list. The macro code also has this (equalp (string (first arg)) "int") for some reason.
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<aeth> Like why? First, that's not how you do a symbol comparison, second you can just... define the type int
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<aeth> You also just can't disassemble when you're using declarations in SBCL. sb-disassem:disassemble-code-component shows you the type checks that are being added.
<aeth> This is the key quote of the article. "I can tell you that I wrote that macro, instead this entire post, while waiting on a flight going from the AmberMD dev meeting to the European Lisp Symposium."
<aeth> Stuff like this always requires at least two days in practice because you think of the edge cases the next morning.
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<cl-arthur> "Edge cases the next morning" is fairly typical, yeah.
<Xach> the key part of the URL is "MartinCracauer", not "medium"
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<srandon111> hello all guys i wanted to start with some lisp or dialect, but reading here and there seems there are no updates to major lisp dialects except clojure...
<srandon111> can you give me somme info
<semz> the question is ill-formed. what do you mean with update?
<aeth> No dates on it, but you can go to the Github mirror and see https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/tags
<aeth> Last update (tagged release) to SBCL was sbcl-1.5.5, 6 days ago
<semz> implementations are still updated; the base language is not (and that's honestly a good thing)
<aeth> semz: Depends on what you mean by the "base language". Most recently (3 months ago) we saw CCL add package local nicknames. https://old.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/bekz3y/package_local_nicknames_merged_to_master_in_ccl/
<aeth> Which means most implementations have adopted that de facto standard.
<semz> i was thinking of the standardized language specifically
<semz> though it's ironic that i'd be inaccurate while complaining about the same
<no-defun-allowed> srandon111: Why would you want a language that's still being updated? You'd have to update your code to match the language.
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, yes i understand... what about usage share? i mean are there modern modules to do general purpose programming? what dialect of lisp would you suggest?
<no-defun-allowed> srandon111: This is #lisp, so by law I have to suggest Common Lisp. And, well, no Lisp is that popular, nor is it a good measure of anything.
<no-defun-allowed> And what do you mean by "general purpose"? I would hope Lisp can do programming, if not we're in a lot of trouble.
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, what do you mean nor it is a good measure of anything ?
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, basically i was talking about modules to work with http, libpcap, graphics, dataframes or statistics...
<srandon111> this kind of stuff...
<no-defun-allowed> It's peer pressure really. I think we got lectured on that as kids.
<aeth> srandon111: #lisp is Common Lisp and ##lisp is all Lisp languages and #scheme is all Scheme dialects. So you're going to get a biased answer in favor of Common Lisp in #lisp
<no-defun-allowed> srandon111: I have my opinions, but you can find a lot of libraries on CLiki, for example: https://www.cliki.net/statistics
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, what? peer pressure?
<semz> "everyone is doing it so you should be too"
<no-defun-allowed> Doing something because your peers do sounds a lot like peer pressure to me.
<aeth> srandon111: Afaik, Emacs Lisp has the most amount of software, but they're mostly messy plugins for the GNU Emacs text editor so please don't use that in production. Beyond that it's probably Clojure then Common Lisp then Racket in terms of package count. The three big Schemes are Racket (which is also sort of not a Scheme), Guile, and Chicken. The rest are far behind in packages.
<no-defun-allowed> As the wise p_l said: "Let's eat shit, billions of flies can't be wrong"
<aeth> srandon111: But you definitely can do everything in Common Lisp if you choose to. Especially graphics. Most of #lispgames is working in Common Lisp.
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, look basically i am working on network programming and softwares doing spidering and bunch of http requests....
<semz> that's easily doable in CL
<aeth> Common Lisp, particularly SBCL, is pretty good at the sort of numerical work that graphics is, and cl-opengl is an excellent OpenGL wrapper.
<srandon111> aeth, how is the performance of clisp? better than clojure ?
<no-defun-allowed> (drakma:http-request "http://lisp.org")
<no-defun-allowed> CLISP is an implementation of Common Lisp, and it's designed to be very portable rather than performant. There are faster implementations like SBCL and Clozure though.
<aeth> srandon111: CLISP is an implementation of CL, and probably the worst-performing one (unless you only care about RAM usage) because it's bytecode compiled and then interpreted. Quite a few CLs are natively compiled, and the fastest resulting code is currently produced by SBCL
<aeth> srandon111: SBCL's performance is excellent, and is better than Clojure. It's not really fair, though, because SBCL is more multiparadigm so it's much better at the sort of mutable numeric arrays things that people use for benchmarks
<no-defun-allowed> And I would expect them to be faster than Clojure, as they compile to native code rather to the JVM.
<aeth> srandon111: This benchmarks game isn't perfect and it doesn't include Clojure, but you can see SBCL there in the second image, with the fast languages. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/which-programs-are-fastest.html
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, ok i think i will use that quote close to a paragraph title in my these... ahah XD the one from p_l
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<aeth> srandon111: on that benchmarks game website, SBCL is 2-5x, mostly 3x, slower than C/C++/Rust in highly optimized high-performance-computing microbenchmarks that absolutely no one is going to actually put that much effort into optimizing in practice.
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<aeth> But 1.5x-3x the time of C to run a given task is probably what you can usually expect, mostly because CL doesn't autovectorize at all.
<aeth> s/CL doesn't/SBCL doesn't/
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, aeth i was intrigued/interested/curious about lisp and its dialects, i basically liked the idea of interactive development and liked the syntax which seemed strange for someone who comes from java, python, C
<srandon111> probably i could start with clojure, but actually i am not a fan of JVM
<srandon111> although i know it's quite performant
<no-defun-allowed> CL has very good interactive toolage, much better than that for Clojure.
<aeth> Just because the JVM is performant doesn't mean that JVM languages will run as fast as Java.
<aeth> SBCL destroys lots of compile-to-C Lisps in performance, even though C is pretty fast.
<no-defun-allowed> I have to prefix this with "You may have seen better than SLIME, especially if you have used a Smalltalk VM or Lisp machine", but SLIME is reaaaaally good.
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<srandon111> aeth, no-defun-allowed so you suggest sbcl with slime to start ?
<no-defun-allowed> Yeah. If you're not on Linux where it's close to trivial to install everything, you can use Portacle to get those: https://portacle.github.io
<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, i'm on linux
<no-defun-allowed> Which distro?
<srandon111> arch and manjaro
<srandon111> basically arch
<aeth> srandon111: SBCL, CCL, and ECL in that order is what I'd recommend to try. That's roughly sorted by popularity/performance/features.
<no-defun-allowed> (Might still be good to use Portacle to avoid making some decisions you don't know much about.)
<no-defun-allowed> Well, `sudo pacman -S sbcl emacs` is step one.
<srandon111> thanks guys.. another question... which package can i use to do http requests ?
<srandon111> asynchrounously
<no-defun-allowed> Then follow the instructions on https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ (`sbcl --load quicklisp.lisp` is how you load the installer in SBCL)
<no-defun-allowed> According to https://cliki.net/HTTP%20client there's Drakma-async and carrier at the least.
<no-defun-allowed> Then to get slime, (ql:quickload :quicklisp-slime-helper) and follow the instructions that gives you. Or, well, just use Portacle if that's a bit much.
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<srandon111> no-defun-allowed, ok what about some good book to use?
<srandon111> or video on youtube which explaines me the basics?
<srandon111> i would like to know basically how to interact with an unknown module
<srandon111> what do you do ? you generally check the docs also for lisp? or there are smarter ways ?
<no-defun-allowed> minion: tell srandon111 about Practical Common Lisp
<minion> srandon111: please see Practical Common Lisp: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005).
<no-defun-allowed> or I could do that: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
<no-defun-allowed> Checking the specification is a bit like reading a dictionary to learn a human language in a way. I would suggest you read some introductory material instead to get a feel for the language.
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