lekernel changed the topic of #milkymist to: Milkymist One, Migen, Milkymist SoC & Flickernoise :: Logs: http://en.qi-hardware.com/mmlogs :: EHSM Berlin Dec 28-30 http://ehsm.eu
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<wolfspraul> so embarassing. I have two serious customers who are thinking about or have already bought an m1, and I know there is a > 80% chance they will regret their purchase later and/or sooner or later run into such a long list of frustrating bugs and missing features that they will just give up.
<wolfspraul> my job is to give them some fake support before this 'give up' and get them to the point that they at least don't want their money back and think "ok, I was stupid in buying this"
<wolfspraul> great work :-)
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<wpwrak> how not to run an enterprise, rule #2: put a pessimist in charge of marketing and sales :)
<wolfspraul> I will try to sell m1 to them, and i will cordially invite them to this channel
<wolfspraul> then I have the right problem in front of me making them happy, rather than discussing random new tech features
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> there's the optimist! :-)
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<wpwrak> that sounds better :)
<wolfspraul> larsc said migen is an "ast generator" - what is ast? abstract syntax tree?
<wolfspraul> and what's the point, or rather difference between an "ast generator" and "language"?
<Jia> AST is abstract syntax tree, yes. But AST is not language.
<Jia> FE have a AST generator
<wolfspraul> ah Jia, hi :-)
<wolfspraul> I don't understand the difference between "ast generator" and "language" and the point lars was trying to make
<Jia> make what? a new compiler?
<wolfspraul> it was in reference to migen
<Jia> lars must be a man, I think :-)
<wolfspraul> any update on the gcc-lm32 bugs you looked into?
<Jia> I'm just back when I finish qemu-or32.
<Jia> I nerver giev up fix gcc-lm32. and I'm still working on it.
<Jia> but, it is really a BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG
<Jia> sorry, migen is?
<wolfspraul> Jia: thanks for asking, I think it's best if you read for yourself https://github.com/milkymist/migen
<wolfspraul> the README is right there
<Jia> Wow! cool!
<Jia> replace verilog?
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<lekernel> wolfspraul: and what do you expect from these two people?
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<wolfspraul> expect? I would hope that m1 satisfies them.
<wolfspraul> obviously
<wolfspraul> or maybe m1 is depression training?
<wpwrak> maybe one of them is a magic frog, waiting to be awakened by a kiss from M1. then he'll be eternally grateful and grant you everlasting fame, mountains of gold, and beautiful princesses :)
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<lekernel> wpwrak: :))
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<Fallenou> lekernel: what's your plan about milkymist-ng and mmu exactly ?
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<lekernel> well, the only big plans that I have are about -ng. it will replace the current soc at some point.
<wolfspraul> I don't really see that on m1
<wolfspraul> it sounds like many m1 features will not work, and some are hard to represent via -ng? or am I wrong?
<wolfspraul> we just wait and see
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<lekernel> just reuse the legacy verilog code
<lekernel> this is much simpler than reverse engineering fpga architectures and bitstream formats by the way ...
<lekernel> so, unless you're not convinced that -ng will work or brings any benefit at all, "wait and see" doesn't exactly sound like the right thing to do
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<Fallenou> lekernel: I mean what do you plan using the MMU for on milkymist-ng ? Running Linux ?
<lekernel> not me - but nevertheless, the current soc will become obsolete.
<lekernel> unless you insist that MM should have slow memory, difficult to connect buses, low video resolution, etc.
<Fallenou> sure I would rather use milkymist-ng on M1
<Fallenou> if it's not too difficult to integrate all the other cores (for instance those doing DMA on FML)
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<lekernel> there's only video-in
<Fallenou> ok so upgrading M1 to milkymist-ng would only break video-in feature ?
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<lekernel> if someone ports the other cores (midi, dmx, etc.), yes
<lekernel> which are quite easy to port
<lekernel> what I'll do for -ng on m1 is read-only flash, uart, ddr, vga, ethernet, tmu, and usb. probably nothing else.
<lekernel> oh and dvi on r4
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<kristianpaul> obsolete if migen aceptance is high.. have anyone check google trends latelly? ;-)
<kristianpaul> also rtems still just suported on the legacy m1 soc :), i'm not agaisnt lua, but for wider porpuses it may get hang
<lekernel> then port it or use bare metal or linux
<lekernel> and btw http://www.google.com/trends/?q=lua,rtems =]
<kristianpaul> lol
<lekernel> the lua results are probably biased though
<kristianpaul> as rtems return zero, yeah
<kristianpaul> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=milkymist,+nanonote :p
<GitHub74> [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/commit/a5915101890ecf7052c058d860aad546170f792c
<GitHub74> [migen/master] ASMI simulation models - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<wpwrak> the rtems bar definitely isn't to scale :)
<kristianpaul> nice website wpwrak
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<wpwrak> bare metal barely wins :)
<GitHub36> [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/compare/a5915101890e...ce9e35b8efe9
<GitHub36> [migen/master] PureSimulable - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<GitHub36> [migen/master] Reorganize examples folder - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<GitHub36> [migen/master] fix SimActor get_fragment - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<Fallenou> lekernel: I suggest you wait that I push my refactoring before trying to integrate mmu in milkymist-ng/mmubranch
<Fallenou> I think I will push it today or tomorrow
<Fallenou> I move a lot of code around
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<GitHub150> [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/commit/3a58916a4ffc6917a634530e16337699963d9864
<GitHub150> [migen/master] examples/dataflow/dma: refactor - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
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<GitHub109> [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/milkymist/migen/commit/b14be4c8a339eb1a39d9abb8576d990d71518fd0
<GitHub109> [migen/master] actorlib: ASMI sequential reader - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<GitHub64> [milkymist-mmu-simulation] fallen pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/CmrJgg
<GitHub64> [milkymist-mmu-simulation/master] Cleanup and refactor DTLB code - Yann Sionneau
<GitHub64> [milkymist-mmu-simulation/master] Cleanup and refactor ITLB code - Yann Sionneau
<Fallenou> synthetizing, let's try ITLB on real fpga
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<Fallenou> does not work :)
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<Fallenou> gn8!
<GitHub68> [milkymist-mmu-simulation] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/zA4ejQ
<GitHub68> [milkymist-mmu-simulation/master] Add support for ITLB miss generating page fault - Yann Sionneau
<GitHub81> [milkymist-mmu] fallen pushed 1 new commit to mmu-bios: http://git.io/RW2Y3Q
<GitHub81> [milkymist-mmu/mmu-bios] Add BIOS support for ITLB page fault handling - Yann Sionneau
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