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<IgorPec>
good morning
<Werner>
Good morning
<IgorPec>
Werner: Jira. What do you think about doing this way? Closing and open a new one?
<IgorPec>
we usually do this way.
<Werner>
I think we have two issues now. One is how to proceed with Chromium and 2nd how to proceed with snap itself.
<Werner>
Related to each other somehow thogh
<Werner>
*though
<IgorPec>
we can say chromium on Focal is solved with a workaround (not a very clean one, agree)
<IgorPec>
while snap was not discused yet
<IgorPec>
at least not very well
<Werner>
Okay
<IgorPec>
implementing snap needs some script rework and testing
<IgorPec>
also armbian-config
<Werner>
Or we could argue that we did not implement snap to make it more lightweight and it needs a single command only to make it fully functional
<IgorPec>
i am fine with that interpretation :) So far we don't deal much in a desktop area, but it would be wise to establish some sort of desktop pimping team
<IgorPec>
desktop acceleration is possible and even gnome3 works reasonoble well
<Werner>
TBH I still dont get what you want Chromium to be preinstalled if this is not even the default. What did I miss?
<IgorPec>
since this setup is by default since some time
<IgorPec>
i am trying to keep the desktop identical
<Werner>
Ah you mean it is Armbian default to ship Chromium with desktop images?
<IgorPec>
yes
<Werner>
Ah okay
<IgorPec>
and where a board has FULL_DESKTOP="yes" it also has Libreoffice and other utils
<IgorPec>
like pinebook for example
<IgorPec>
now I am concerned what will happen after stable images are released and update pushed to repository ;)
<Werner>
The same thing as always. Users will find issues we did not find.
<IgorPec>
yes, i know that. Fatal ones are hopefully find better with more testings now
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<IgorPec>
hej
<count-doku>
hey
<count-doku>
ill be here in a few minutes, talk about the boards then?
<IgorPec>
ok
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<IgorPec>
hi
<Tenkawa>
uggh my connectivity is bad today
<IgorPec>
how come? what do you have?
<Tenkawa>
its usually fine.. something about 5 hops up from 3 diff places we've checked is bad
<Tenkawa>
(couple diff people we know reported back)
<Tenkawa>
locally
<Tenkawa>
I am however increasing my bandwidth in 3 days all the same yay and getting new equipment
<Tenkawa>
mine is about 10-11 years old
<IgorPec>
... and i am thinking to complain to my ISP to not getting 100Mbps upload to dl.armbian.com :)
<IgorPec>
its only 20-50
<Tenkawa>
I didnt realize "how" crappy low my plan was until I was researching it today
<IgorPec>
and how crappy it is?
<Tenkawa>
i think it was like between 7-8 mb
<IgorPec>
what are you paying for?
<Tenkawa>
something like that.. maybe 7-12
<IgorPec>
and technology?
<Tenkawa>
not too much.. dont remember specificly ... cable modem
<IgorPec>
that ... could be pretty decent, but also crap, yeah
<Tenkawa>
to bump it up to the speed I'm getting only ended up costing me like 20$ more a month and increased my plan by 7X
<Tenkawa>
speed
<Tenkawa>
and I am a fairly heavy user
<Tenkawa>
so I could use the speed
<IgorPec>
i am a heavy user, have a very good speed, but i guess my ISP has not the best backbone connection
<Tenkawa>
ours does.. problem is the amount of people using it
<Tenkawa>
this is a huge i.t. area
<IgorPec>
yeah, that's for sure. well, i have to check once
<Tenkawa>
bandwidth here is in droves but the large companies have a high stake in it
<Tenkawa>
cant blame them... we have a lot of research, healthcare and educational it here
<Tenkawa>
that takes a lot of resources
<IgorPec>
surely
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<count-doku>
so here I am.
<count-doku>
@Igor, you said it's 16 boards for EU?
<IgorPec>
yes, that's the board count on my desk
<count-doku>
ok how many ppl wanted some?
<IgorPec>
i don't have the exact number atm
<IgorPec>
i order 20 as a rough estimate
<IgorPec>
i have some some friends here to help me out as well, so we can share the load
<count-doku>
ok I suggest we figure out if other ppl would do the mosfet fix themself. Then you ship the rest to me, I fix them and redistribute / send back to you.
<IgorPec>
can we rely on this fix?
<IgorPec>
or we rather order new pcbs?
<count-doku>
It would certainly be better to make new boards. But the fix is not "magic"
<IgorPec>
this is another alternative ... fixing is needed only on power board and the problem is only that you don't have control, right?
<IgorPec>
power is always on?=
<count-doku>
yeah power is always on through the body diode. I'd need to check how much current can go through there
<IgorPec>
that's what i am affriad. some boards might need 2amp
<IgorPec>
Hijax sent me an email 30 minutes ago that he will sent me new boards, but it will take few weeks
<count-doku>
Yeah the mosfets are rated at 12A Drain-Source but only 2.5A through the diode.
<count-doku>
new empty boards and we'd have to swap all components?
<count-doku>
or new schematics?
<IgorPec>
"I will correct the schematic and PCB and order the preassembled boards from JLCPCB"
<count-doku>
thats nice of him.
<IgorPec>
but .. i propose alternative solution. let's assemble the boards and see how they work. perhaps we will need more changes?
<count-doku>
Yeah there might be more wrong.
<count-doku>
Originally I did not want any - but I'd propose you send me one (as I have some EE knowledge), I'd try the fix and then the rest (in case more electrical trouble appears). When we are sure they work, we can integrate all fixes and order new ones.
<count-doku>
If it is just the mosfet and it works with the fix, we can still think about shipping the rest around / fixing them.
<IgorPec>
i will send you a few then
<count-doku>
We do definitely need power toggle though, to restart the boards, after writing sd card etc.
<IgorPec>
yes, power toggle is pretty essential
<IgorPec>
btw. SPI sd card mode. have you done that before?
<count-doku>
Maybe ask on the forum again how many dudes from EU wanted a board (and can not fix it themselves) then send me the number of boards (+1 or 2 for me).
<count-doku>
"SPI sd card mode" what exactly to you mean?
<IgorPec>
SD cards are in SPI mode, 4 wires, whatever that means
<count-doku>
SPI mode ist basically a slower/simple sd card interface (for backwards compat)
<IgorPec>
yeah, i thouht so
<IgorPec>
well, i will see tomorrow how much the cables will cost ...
<count-doku>
a thing that puzzles me is the additional + and - connects on the sdcard adapters. Are they just for testing/debugging? They should not be neccessary.
<count-doku>
I just realized the boards are pretty useless to me, I only have one 5V sbc xD
<IgorPec>
we could add a relay, 12v in, converter, ... :) V2.0
<count-doku>
yeah no relais. But I though about a bigger (not HAT) version. 12V in. Step Down. 12V and 5V ports out.
<count-doku>
Well first try this version. It scales easily
<IgorPec>
yeah, lets get it to the people to play with
<IgorPec>
DM me a shipping address and I will send you a few, then just sent to those raised hands in a private forum
<IgorPec>
chwe, tido, hijax
<count-doku>
at it.
<count-doku>
Anyone of those from germany?
<IgorPec>
chwe and tido are CH, Hijax PL
<count-doku>
ok no problem
<IgorPec>
others i will cover
<IgorPec>
probably Hijax can fix on their own, while others don't
<count-doku>
you got mail.
<count-doku>
yeah maybe ask them in the forum again before we ship unneccesary.
<IgorPec>
got mail, yes
<count-doku>
So how do I go about changing my nick here without loosing rights?...
<IgorPec>
talk to Werner
<IgorPec>
i have rights, but no clue
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<Heisath>
wow it just works
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<Heisath>
Igor still here?
<Heisath>
@Igor just to make sure I got you correctly, do you want me to send one board (fixed) back to you or do you try it locally/on your own?
<Heisath>
I'll be leaving now. If you see this, answer me per DM. See ya
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<nekomancer[m]>
<Tenkawa "cant blame them... we have a lot"> where?
<Tenkawa>
ohio usa
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<Tenkawa>
mainline working odroid-n2 5.7.0-rc7
<Tenkawa>
seems fairly stable
<Tenkawa>
no patches
<Tenkawa>
havent put it through thorough tests yet
<nekomancer[m]>
only `linux-image-dev-meson64=20.05.0-trunk.145 5.6.14-meson64` in armbian-config nightly
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<Tenkawa>
I know..
<Tenkawa>
I build these myself
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