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<rneese>
so what boards are you guys uding
<rneese>
anyone using them for desktops or just servers
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<rneese>
wow quiet
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<stipa>
i use only one for now, opi lite 2, runs wifi AP, local DNS, DHCP server, PiHole, NAS
<stipa>
i tried transmission for torents but it's crushing it, got to look at that
<stipa>
it has only 1GB of ram and no HDMI audio yet so i can't use it for TV box but if audio gets going i'll try to put desktop environment on it
<stipa>
rneese: so, it's TV box wannabe as well
<rneese>
ok
<rneese>
brb have to look at a issue
<stipa>
ok
<rneese>
working on deepin and now it has a issues
<stipa>
bummer
<rneese>
yeah this is a new error so have to figure it out
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@coding4bees (tom): @armbian @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer Any news regarding stable version of #armbian for #orangepi h616 ? #IoT https://tinyurl.com/y6qpp3no (13s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @coding4bees @armbian @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer "stable" in maybe about a year. It runs somehow already but dont expect any fancy stuff or even support. https://tinyurl.com/y52z28ej (23s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @armbian @4ntsu Maybe we could generate a few choices and let users vote 😛 https://tinyurl.com/y3m5387k (1s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@coding4bees (tom): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer About a year, roger that😁 I have h616 in the post so, I'm very curious https://tinyurl.com/yypa53k4 (25s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @coding4bees @armbian @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer I was actually serious about the mentioned delay of about a year. This is from pure experience when the H6 was released a few years ago. I mean even the RK3399 is now getting old and still lacks some features in mainline or even (1 more message)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@coding4bees (tom): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer Hey, you're taking my answer the wrong way. Because of all the #armbian OS devs, I can play with the #orangepi now. 1 year it is. Plenty of other toys, h6 is capable enough. Appreciate your work! https://tinyurl.com/y5nktzmf (9s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @coding4bees @DieZuckerbude @orangepixunlong @Olimex @thepine64 @solid_run @9to5linux @StationGeeker @therockpi @sinovoip @Tinkerboarding @librecomputer Thanks, but appreciation doesn't pay bills :( Try at least to help https://t.co/u4PM80GchN so we can focus on the important tasks. Current public share in financing R&D for Zero is zero so is the right to ask about the progress. (1 more message)
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<tonitch>
Hey, I want to install armbian on my orangepi zero and I have the choice between Buster and focal on the website... what's the difference? is this a version name as debian does ?
<tonitch>
in that case, I can't find the page where it's writen :'(
<IgorPec>
armbian is the reason you don't throw the boars away and focal / buster / ... is the name of the outfit, application level
<IgorPec>
:)
<tonitch>
nice
<tonitch>
i'm used to use alarm on all my boards... I wanted to test armbian... and I just droped in ^^ sorry
<tonitch>
is there a page where all these fancy names are explained ?
<tonitch>
for comparison
<IgorPec>
no, there is no comparisson about that
<IgorPec>
you have to know which to select
<HerculeP>
that page would be google ;)
<IgorPec>
so if you came from arch world, huh
<IgorPec>
normallly we provide latest stable variants
<IgorPec>
in Ubuntu, this is Focal, with Debian Buster
<tonitch>
I think I prefer debian over ubuntu soo I will just pick buster ^^ and that's it
<tonitch>
I think
<tonitch>
thanks :D
<IgorPec>
the difference between Debian and Ubuntu ... better Google for. Core technical difference is different package versions
<[TheBug]>
stipa: actually ment to say thanks to you for mentioning the USB power management options to change spin down -- some reason I hadn't thought about that - grabbed powertop last night and got it to 'on' instead of 'auto' for USB and seems to be keeping drive online now without delayed spin-up.
<IgorPec>
in principle yes, but its not that simple
<IgorPec>
it depends what you will use your hw for
<IgorPec>
some applications are suited better for Debian, some for Ubuntu
<IgorPec>
but in general we as Armbian, don't stick our nose in those problems. Which is why, we build both and user chose
<HerculeP>
easy to prepare two SD cards and check out for yourself
<tonitch>
yhea that's cool, in fact, I will crete my own app and for the first time (not a project I will personaly use) I don't trust alarm 100%
<Werner>
I'll adjust the docs to make it more clear
<tonitch>
hoo x) just noticed that bullseye buster are the name of debian x) i'm dumb I should have trained my google-fu :'(
<tonitch>
i'm just used to find everything on the doc ^^
<IgorPec>
no docs is complete :(
<tonitch>
yhea but they are often more than usefull
<tonitch>
and they give a getting started that is often a strong anchor point
<IgorPec>
armbian is upgrade on top of debian and on top of linux
<Werner>
This what to download thing should be more clear now once the docs are rebuilt
<tonitch>
thanks :D Werner
<Werner>
youre welcome. we appreciate your feedback to the docs. only with this we can make it better
<ArmbianTwitter>
@botter_nidnul (~b🦦-nidnul): @YaoHL5 Armbian is your best option. The port might be in OTG mode? There's a switch on the bottom side of the board between the USB2 and USB 3 ports. https://tinyurl.com/y2sbxov4 (28s ago)
<HerculeP>
and Focal Desktop is missing although provided in /archive/
<IgorPec>
for c2?
<[TheBug]>
I can't figure out, is that last tweet talking about rk3399 , in that case Legacy image only support single USB 3.0 port that I know and yes there is a switch like that guy mentions to toggle host / otf mode
<f476_>
work service engeneer on internet provider, need small pcb with screen for speedtest 1gb line, use speedtest cli by ookla
<f476_>
choose orange pi one plus :)
<IgorPec>
any board with gigabit lan should do the job
<IgorPec>
one plus is good choice,
<Werner>
screen connect via hdmi then I assume?
<f476_>
thanks for info
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<[TheBug]>
@here anyone who uses ipv6 to connect to sites by default, can you go to Armbian.com and let me know if it seems slow / latent -- tracking to see how far spread the IPv6 loss there on the server is
<f476_>
on this board gpio pinout like rpi3? or different pinout
<Werner>
[TheBug], noticed a few days ago already and can confirm
<IgorPec>
for gpio pinout check manufacturers docs. don't reacall from head if its the same or not
<IgorPec>
what do you need attaching there?
<[TheBug]>
Werner: I noticed it here ongoing and escalated to NOC to review as it seems uplink provider is having some weird ipv6 issues, bouncing between 9ms and 205ms and showing 10-15% loss
<[TheBug]>
Werner: geez -- in future if you see any forum post on connectivity for the site can you please bring to me ASAP and I will get it addressed -- a bit embarrassed we didn't figure out this was an oingoing isue before -- working with NOC to get it fixed.
<Werner>
aight
<f476_>
@IgorPec: i2c yes. ok, thx.
<tonitch>
tremc
<tonitch>
Ooops, wrong terminal :'(
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<stipa>
tonitch: it happens to me when i look at one screen and text i'm typing is on another
<stipa>
few days ago there was a guy who spilled coffe on the keyboard
<stipa>
that was a scary one
<tonitch>
stipa that's what appened :p
<tonitch>
btw, I just checked the signature of my buster orange pi zero and the sha256 and they both are wrong as I download the file by torrent
<tonitch>
take your time tho! don't want to be rude ^^
<IgorPec>
but probably slow download
<tonitch>
btw, why is the version doesn't change if you rebuild them ?
<IgorPec>
it dows
<IgorPec>
does
<IgorPec>
scroll down, olders are also present since process is ongoing
<IgorPec>
right now = right now :)
<tonitch>
I see x)
<IgorPec>
moving images to archive takes perhaps 30m
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<[TheBug]>
Werner: can you test now and let me know if you still see same slowness?
<tonitch>
wow
<tonitch>
the download was waaaay faster than with torrent x)
<tonitch>
and you told me it would be slow
<[TheBug]>
hehe we have some nice mirros
<[TheBug]>
hehe we have some nice mirrors
<IgorPec>
this is the slowest one :)
<tonitch>
I was waiting like a dumb for the download to start while it was already finished
<IgorPec>
LOL
<[TheBug]>
Werner: updated the forum thread as well, NOC pushed some new routes, should hopefully help to resolve that -- just let me know if you continue to see slowness and we can continue to review
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@ericepe (Eric Poscher-Mika): Any #Armbian @armbian or @cobol #Helios64 experts out there who could help repairing the uboot bootloader? Uboot reports a bad CRC after a random reboot. https://tinyurl.com/yxucrp9t (18s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @ericepe @cobol Put that error into the Google :) https://tinyurl.com/y2dmkvjp (11s ago)
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<tonitch>
I found this in my dmesg [20560.218076] Buffer I/O error on dev sdd, logical block 97, lost async page write
<tonitch>
[20560.218078] Buffer I/O error on dev sdd, logical block 98, lost async page write
<tonitch>
[20560.218079] Buffer I/O error on dev sdd, logical block 99, lost async page write
<tonitch>
when trying to burn the image, I know it's not related but maybe you know if my card is dead or not ?
<Xogium>
well that smells bad
<IgorPec>
certainly not bad armbian ;)
<Werner>
doesnt look good. what tool do you use for writing?
<tonitch>
dd
<Xogium>
any kind of i/o error when trying to dd something is bad
<tonitch>
and it give me this at the end
<tonitch>
dd: error writing '/dev/sdd': No space left on device
<tonitch>
on a 16gb card
<Xogium>
well now
<Xogium>
that's a bit more explicit
<Werner>
you should not use dd for this. but for other reason
<tonitch>
ho ?
<tonitch>
I always used dd to burn my iso
<tonitch>
ho.. that's an .img...
<tonitch>
any diff ?
<Xogium>
well dd itself isn't the bad thing, if you really know what you're doing
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<Werner>
writing image via dd lacks verification. if something goes wrong on writing you wont notice but get major pain in the butt from weird behaviour if your board
<Werner>
*of
<tonitch>
soo what should I do ?
<IgorPec>
follow the manual :)
<Werner>
help
<ArmbianHelper>
Check out our awesome documentation! It's tremendous, promise! https://docs.armbian.com/
<tonitch>
yhea ofc :D thanks
<IgorPec>
dd is fine for reliable media
<IgorPec>
sd card is not
<Werner>
we all learned that the hard way at some point :)
<tonitch>
I think I already did but I keep doing that :p
<Werner>
then keep in mind that boards running from sd cards that were not written properly do not receive support
<tonitch>
there is so many dependencies for etcher :'(
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<Werner>
usbimager has none
<HerculeP>
dd works well for me :D
<tonitch>
I do really think that my sd card is dead
<tonitch>
dd: writing to '/dev/sdd': Input/output error
<Werner>
sd cards die often
<tonitch>
for another try without bs (soo I think default is 512K)
<Werner>
1M is pretty common for writing images iirc
<tonitch>
that's what I did for the first run
<stipa>
i would first check if sdcard has healthy cells
<Werner>
k
<stipa>
like there are some tricks to write to it and read a block
<stipa>
if block can't be read it's gone
<stipa>
if it's ok then i would hit the disk image writing stuff
<stipa>
at least then i would know that scdard should be fine and not worn out
<stipa>
trying all image writers could take some time
<stipa>
checking the card for pyhsicall erors could save you some trouble
<HerculeP>
here is what I use: dd conv=sync,noerror status=progress bs=4M if=/path2/armbian.img of=/dev/sdX
<HerculeP>
never had any issues /w sandisk etc
<HerculeP>
dont forget to umount the partitions
<HerculeP>
b4 dd
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<Xogium>
I personally just run dd if=stuff.img of=/path/to/disk
<Xogium>
never toyed with block size or anything
<tonitch>
ok, whatever, etcher doesn't work either... I think it's dead
<Xogium>
especially not after my try with sparse file :p
<Xogium>
just finished migrating to erofs for my rootfs on stm32mp here. Works nicely, better than squashfs ever did
<tonitch>
have to go, thanks for your help everyone :D
<stipa>
cya
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@botter_nidnul (~b🦦-nidnul): @YaoHL5 Use armbian's mainline u-boot https://t.co/zuH3nqpTOt and also see if there are any firmware updates for the nvme drive https://tinyurl.com/y4ktlzv9 (30s ago)
<HerculeP>
I remember some years ago there was an option in armbian-config to transfer the OS from SD to HD/ssd and boot from usb, I can't find it any more :(
<HerculeP>
do I have to do it manually?
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<HerculeP>
btw, I just installed Buster /w Desktop 20.02.1 on an odroid-c2: usb OK, sound via HDMI OK :D
<stipa>
lucky you
<[TheBug]>
Werner: were things looking better for you now?
<HerculeP>
only quirk: virtual terminal / keyboard didnt follow my "German" selection
<HerculeP>
ty, stipa, I'm kinda THE odroid c2 test guy ;)
<stipa>
HerculeP: fancy
<HerculeP>
there were some sound issues last year, seems to have been fixed successfully :D
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<stipa>
HerculeP: better ever than never
<IgorPec>
werner: update your torrent server
<HerculeP>
heh
<HerculeP>
typo above, Welcome to Armbian 21.02.1 Buster with Linux 5.10.12-meson64 <-- 21. ofc
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @MisterTechBlog This (by the) way Microsoft got control from the outside since on the inside they are already controlling ThreadX RTOS, proprietary low level OS, firmware, which boots Linux on Microsoft Pi. Sadly not using Rpi is the only cure. https://t.co/uXv6k2Po0Uhttps://tinyurl.com/y4hrchk3 (11s ago)
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