#armbian on 2021-02-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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09:31 <archetech> chewitt_: "raided my patch set" lol

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09:35 <chewitt> archetech what did I do now?

10:19 * mangix wonders if he should reboot his device

10:22 <agneli> hello, can I possibly repeat my question of yestarday please? :)

10:23 <agneli> is anybody using firefox on an arm machine that has no neon support

10:23 <agneli> like tegra 2 based computer/boards

10:23 <mangix> no. my phone has neon support

10:23 <agneli> and rpi 1

10:24 <agneli> mangix: that is a no for everybody or just no for you?

10:24 <mangix> I think even my HTC One has NEON support

10:24 <mangix> just for me

10:24 <agneli> ;)

10:26 <mangix> anyway, what's wrong with firefox?

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10:40 <agneli> all the distron I have seen compiled it wiht neon

10:40 <agneli> none of my arm boards have neon

10:40 <agneli> so I am looking for somebody that did compile it without neon

10:41 <agneli> maybe I will be able to repeat the process for myself

10:43 <IgorPec> agneli: you are looking for a way to recompile firefox ?

10:43 <IgorPec> or what?

10:46 <agneli> package or a way to recompile without neon, yes

10:51 <IgorPec> in armbian we only complie few most critical compoments from sources, while most of the rest comes directly from debian / ubuntu repos

10:52 <IgorPec> so i guess this is more generic question - how to recompile firefox

10:54 <agneli> most probably yes

10:54 <IgorPec> well, we don't have automated process for that and i never done it

10:55 <IgorPec> https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/devtools/getting-started/build.html

11:03 <agneli> IgorPec: I have seen that, yes

11:03 <agneli> however seems raspbian really have no neon ff

11:03 <IgorPec> that's i don't know

11:03 <agneli> https://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_78.6.1esr-1%2Brpi1_armhf.deb

11:03 <agneli> rpi1 has no neon

11:03 <agneli> I asked them

11:04 <agneli> but apparenly nobody knew the answer

11:04 <agneli> maybe nobody relevant was not there

11:04 <IgorPec> rpi is not our interest here anyway

11:04 <agneli> Thank you for your kind help

11:04 <IgorPec> you are welcome

11:04 <agneli> neither is mine, but I need no neon firefox

11:04 <agneli> and a proof it is noable before I start wasting my time

11:04 <agneli> thank you again!

11:05 <mangix> agneli: It's probably an unsupported configuration. Firefox most likely has inline asm

11:06 <mangix> which may or may not be possible to disable

11:06 <agneli> well... then why they named this package +rpi1?

11:06 <agneli> I asked them

11:07 <agneli> we will see

11:07 <agneli> my colleague did start an effort to disable it, I want to know for sure if there is any point to continue

11:07 <agneli> let us see ;)

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16:20 <lanefu> merry sunday armbianers

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17:41 <stipa> ty lanefu, that's so nice of you! Same to you

17:58 <archetech> chinese soic8 clip sucks wont attach

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21:50 <stipa> archetech: i have few, they work

21:50 <stipa> tbh i haven't used them much

21:51 <stipa> but i don't have an aligator like one

21:54 <stipa> i have this https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reveltronics.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fvirtuemart%2Fproduct%2Fsoic-8_200mil_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

21:55 <stipa> but i have to disoledr the chip if i want to use it which sux

21:57 <stipa> but i have seen bunch of people just desolder the sioc chip and solder it on the small pcb and then read content from it or write, somthing like this https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmklec.com%2Fimage%2Fdata%2Fic%2FSOP8-SOIC8-SO8-TSSOP8-SSOP8_to_DIP8_adapter-1-Edit.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

21:58 <stipa> aligator clip is the laziest approach

21:59 <stipa> and fastest if it "works"

22:02 <stipa> this approach is fancy, work of art, ds/2013/11/soic-adaptor-soic-adapter-smd-adaptor-smd-adapter-8-pin-adapter.jpg

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22:41 <mangix> stipa: laziest approach is to place the flash chip directly on the programmer

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23:06 <archetech> pita is what it all is

23:06 <archetech> I got it to read but I cant keep it still

23:07 <archetech> so its desolder I guess

23:07 <archetech> that takes young nerves and eyesight

23:07 <stipa> less hassle in the end i guess is just to disolder

23:10 <stipa> mangix: this should befaster then the desoldering https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHc072fe66ada2445ab24c358044066502n%2FQuality-Programmer-Testing-Clip-SOP-SOIC-8-SOIC8-DIP8-DIP-8-SOP8-Pin-IC-Test-Clamp.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

23:12 <stipa> but it sux, maybe it also depends on the quality of the clip but i wouln'd know

23:12 <stipa> don't have any

23:13 <stipa> it's slippery

23:14 <stipa> by the looks of it

23:14 <stipa> it looks fancy on the camera that's for sure

23:15 <stipa> if you want to brag

23:17 <archetech> my orig point was quality pomona makes one that peeps like the cn one is notoriusly bad

23:17 <archetech> uses a spring with 100 ft lbs of pressure

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23:18 <archetech> gator clip soic8

23:19 <stipa> yeah, string looks beefy on the pics

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23:20 <stipa> maybe adding some solder to the legs could help, to make surface of the legs more rough

23:20 <stipa> on the chip itself

23:20 <stipa> that could help the aligator to grab the pins better i guess

23:20 <archetech> too small the legs are super close to ea other

23:22 <stipa> soic8 aint that small, right?

23:22 <stipa> maybe you have some smaller package

23:22 <stipa> you're delaing with

23:25 <archetech> all I got is a old fat soldr iron too so thats out Ill hold it and another can work the software

23:26 <stipa> maybe you're dealing with TSSOP

23:26 <stipa> yeah

23:26 <stipa> hold it and don't breathe

23:27 <stipa> don't drink a coffe for a day or two

23:27 <stipa> beforehand

23:28 <stipa> SMD and coffe don't go well together...

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23:35 <mangix> stipa: or use removeable flash chips :)

23:37 <stipa> mangix: archetech is probably hacking something

23:37 <stipa> i doub't it's his design

23:38 <stipa> and removable flash chips in a product that'll sell is not cheap

23:38 <stipa> to produce

23:39 <stipa> if it's a prototype it makes sense

23:39 <stipa> but again it would be cheper to solder some wires on the exposed pads near the flash

23:40 <stipa> like it's done

23:40 <stipa> much cheaper than some fancy adapter for removable flash

23:41 <stipa> but if price is of no concern why not

23:41 <mangix> ASRock used to make motherboards with removable flash chips. They don't anymore

23:42 <stipa> yeah, bios code was on them

23:43 <stipa> for some reason bios chips where old surrounded with Ghz cpu's ...

23:43 <stipa> old tech*

23:43 <stipa> but the only reason they went the non removeable route is probably because it's cheaper

23:47 <stipa> a wild guess