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<ArmbianTwitter>
@ryjelsum (laboraparty animal): no hate on pine64 by the way i run one of their single board computers and its good, though i mostly got it because i got a sweet deal on some overstock of a failed network security product that uses the rock64 as its base so i put in a new sd card with armbian. $16, great deal https://tinyurl.com/yabsnlvo (24s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@domcorriveau (🌴🌴Dominic 🌴🌴): I've had my PBP for a while now, but unsure of what to do with it. I spend most of my day at my desktop for work. But, over the couple weeks I've been configuring it to be Armbian with 95% CLI only apps. Have to say, I'm in love. https://tinyurl.com/y8558d58 (17s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @domcorriveau Great list.. i wish i had a cli tool for armbian forums. Weechat plugins should solve your discord requirement. I do similar for slack. PS lnav and bat are great tools for logs etc https://tinyurl.com/yac544ju (23s ago)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
How can I stop filesystem resize at first armbian boot?
<[TheBug]>
decompress the images and remove the part of the script that does it
<[TheBug]>
I would guess as I haven't paid close attention that it does some type of initial unpack and running of a script that controls that
<[TheBug]>
you would have to comment out that script or process
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<[TheBug]>
kprasadvnsi[m]: " what one ought to do is disable resizing (systemctl disable armbian-resize-filesystem on first boot) in order to maximize spare SD size for the controller to be able to survive. Then you clone it to SSD with armbian-config. Then you have everything deleted but /boot. Then you enjoy SSD speed and surviving SD with enough space for kernel update. "
<[TheBug]>
kprasadvnsi[m] actually think I found your answer
<[TheBug]>
"touch /root/.no_rootfs_resize as part of the customization"
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
i am looking for something that can be done on build. I am writing a LCD driver and using minimal image. so every time it boots with new image it takes some time to resize filesystem.
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<[TheBug]>
well remove the systemd unit described above would do it
<[TheBug]>
additionally it may react to have that file placed on /
<[TheBug]>
you will have to look
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<khelair>
good evening everybody. say can anyone tell me if the armbian install process utilizes the serial console at all? I'm trying to avoid having to disconnect my keyboard and stuff from my main machine here and having to hook my cubie up to the big tv (only hdmi device out here)... using the serial console doohicky I have here would be a lot handier
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<khelair "good evening everybody. say can"> There should be serial working. You will need a USB-serial dongle
<khelair>
sweet. thank you for the information
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@Poddingue (Bruno Verachten 🍰): The official version of my #fosdem2021 talk has been released. 🥳 I say a few words about #gitlabci, #armbian, #hypriotos, #balenaos, #raspberrypi and #orangepi. https://t.co/soMcLShfhjhttps://tinyurl.com/y85jf8wt (5s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): RT @Poddingue: The official version of my #fosdem2021 talk has been released. 🥳 I say a few words about #gitlabci, #armbian, #hypriotos, #b… https://tinyurl.com/y7wb562lhttps://tinyurl.com/y7ogw56q (5s ago)
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<FLR55>
Hello, i'm new here on this forum. I just installed Helios 64. Could anyone tell me why OMV is gone and what is the replacement? I just want my helios to be adressed as a NAS. Can anyone help me
<FLR55>
Why does my windows 10 PC not see the helios. If I ping the ip-adress it is there. I just cant't make a network connection from explorer
<IgorPec>
we can't help you. OMV forums
<IgorPec>
i think they are replacing armbian default networking stack with something else
<IgorPec>
why and what happens with that ... no idea
<FLR55>
thx igorPec
<IgorPec>
OMV is heavily modifing OS
<FLR55>
Is there any docker you recommend to make a NAS
<IgorPec>
my NAS runs clean ubuntu focal 7 drives in ZFS pool and serve files via NFS daemon.
<IgorPec>
other services are virtualized
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): I've been involved open source for a couple of decades now, and I don't think I've *ever* seen such hostility towards users. Sorry, @armbian, but it's intolerable - I'll be moving away as soon as possible, and advising others to follow. https://t.co/2G7T7TYwLLhttps://tinyurl.com/y8ynftqe (1s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@recantha (Michael (Mike) Horne): @ghalfacree @armbian Yikes! One to avoid! https://tinyurl.com/y7uorran (6s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@PixelGuff (Captain Hog's-eye): @ghalfacree @armbian Wow. That guys's a total toolbag. https://tinyurl.com/y7fovxw7 (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@winkleink (Albert Hickey): @ghalfacree @armbian Wondering if he knows Kobol are using the Armbian forum to provide official support, not community. Just thinking it may be unclear this is the official Kobol support forum and not just a community sub-forum on the Armbian site. Kobol should have their own forum on their site. https://tinyurl.com/ycecerkh (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@VeryMetalDev (VeryMetalDev ⌨️🖥️👨🔧🖋️✏️😷): Bought Orange Pi 4 because there's an Armbian OS for it, is has 2Ghz ARM, 4 Gigs of DRAM and a Mali graphics card. It's going to be the best miniPC at the lowest price (E80,- with case) ever. Sh*te on Aliexpress haters, costs are also a factor in ICT. It's going to be so speedy😋 https://t.co/D0uGKGUQzNhttps://tinyurl.com/y7sdvxbq (29s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @recantha @ghalfacree @armbian Igor's point is that Armbian is 'free'. I've made this point before, many people in the Linux community do not know how to speak to each other, but be mindful that people are donating their time. (1/3) https://tinyurl.com/ybmnyu7m (25s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @winkleink @armbian He's aware: Armbian literally set the forum up for Kobol. The rules link also makes this clear. https://t.co/LBSsnsZ1FDhttps://tinyurl.com/y87eejnv (7s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ovipic (Ciprian Manea): @ghalfacree @armbian it’s a thin line between corporate speak where you pay thru the nose and get expert PR+BS explaining u to ponny up some more if u want more features, and open source communities where sponsorships are very limited. I’d judge people by the quality of their work, not by their PR/BS https://tinyurl.com/ycx3tj2j (28s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@charlottegore (Charbert Gillbert VII, Disaster Area.): @PixelGuff @ghalfacree @armbian If you want a reply to this tweet you better pay me, I owe you nothing. https://tinyurl.com/y9yhtvtw (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@PixelGuff (Captain Hog's-eye): @charlottegore @ghalfacree @armbian It costs me a MILLION euros a day to run this Twitter account, you know! https://tinyurl.com/y7546dkt (24s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@popey (Alan Pope 🍺🐧🐱🇬🇧🇪🇺): @ghalfacree @winkleink @armbian What does armbian give you that Ubuntu doesn't - given armbian uses the Ubuntu repos? Is it hardware support, configuration utilities etc? https://tinyurl.com/yagtdwb5 (7s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @popey @winkleink @armbian Wider hardware support for Arm-based SBCs, some handy tweaks (like prioritising the big cores of a big.LITTLE chip) - nothing I couldn't live without, if there was a way to boot mainline Ubuntu on my Kobol Helios64. (There may be a way, I don't know - Kobol said to use Armbian!) https://tinyurl.com/y6vhpagb (14s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@winkleink (Albert Hickey): @ghalfacree @armbian Then no excuse. https://tinyurl.com/ybzpyqr8 (12s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ovipic (Ciprian Manea): @ghalfacree @armbian it’s like complaining that Linus Torvalds is rude on the kernel emails, Theo de Raadt is not a saint, and Dijkstra is too blunt. it’s either “well, we don’t have time/money to build that, go away”, or the corporate PR/BS were they are paid to not understand what you want #win https://tinyurl.com/y9b56c9x (11s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @winkleink @armbian It's not just me, either: he did the same thing to someone asking about WOL support, and was so aggressive that time he ended up deleting his post. Any time anyone tries to get support from Kobol, he goes on the attack. https://t.co/kc0TPAkK0rhttps://tinyurl.com/ybu88jsc (22s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @recantha @ghalfacree @armbian I've read on the Kobol website that armbian-config is the recommended way of updating the boot sequence. As far as I understand (I could be wrong) this only creates a boot and root partition and copies the relevant files over. (2/3) https://tinyurl.com/ybymypuq (24s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@CodeFoodPixels (Luke Bonaccorsi 🏳️🌈): @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @ghalfacree @armbian His point would be valid, if Gareth wasn't posting on the section of the website for dedicated support for a paid product, asking for support for something specific to that paid product. People _are_ donating time, but Igor is going into places he shouldn't be to chastise people https://tinyurl.com/ybz9a2hh (6s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @recantha @ghalfacree @armbian PM me and I'll see if I can help. (3/3) https://tinyurl.com/ybv94g67 (3s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian The problem in the post has already been resolved (well, worked around) by Kobol, but thanks for the offer. My next step is to see if mainline Ubuntu will work, so I can keep the hardware but ditch Armbian. https://tinyurl.com/ya5bsysy (29s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @CodeFoodPixels @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian Exactly this. Click "Rules" in the sub-forum header, it's made very clear. https://tinyurl.com/y992eaau (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@CodeFoodPixels (Luke Bonaccorsi 🏳️🌈): @ghalfacree @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian I'm all for reminding people that the maintainers of open source software owe you nothing, but if you're going to do it (especially that aggressively), you better make sure you're 1000000% in the right. https://tinyurl.com/ycj39v73 (22s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@PixelGuff (Captain Hog's-eye): @CodeFoodPixels @ghalfacree @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian Yeah. Even if he was in the right, a simple "sorry, but we don't have the resources to work on that right now" would have been fine. https://tinyurl.com/y8rs8l9f (3s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @ghalfacree @recantha @armbian Creating a few partitions and populating them as root and boot isn't specific to Armbian. It works for almost any distro including ArchLinux ARM, Debian and Ubuntu on any u-boot capable device. https://tinyurl.com/y7vjtz66 (10s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian I'm not sure what point you're making here, I'm afraid. https://tinyurl.com/y88r7xq8 (13s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @popey @ghalfacree @winkleink @armbian Hardware Support and configuration. Most SBCs don't have UEFI, so official ARM builds of Debian and Ubuntu wouldn't even be able to boot. Armbian wrangles u-boot, it's respective patches and configuration needed for SBCs, as well kernel patches applied to mainline kernel. https://tinyurl.com/y8y6s74u (4s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @popey @ghalfacree @winkleink @armbian Low-end SBC vendors shove an unmaintained BSP kernel into an image and call it a day. High-end SBC vendors provide better versions, but still typically bespoke and using BSP kernels. Kobol uses Armbian as their base so they can focus on delivery. https://t.co/akyxg27gGvhttps://tinyurl.com/y8fhzjng (10s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @ghalfacree @recantha @armbian Neither do I TBH! I'm not affiliated to Armbian btw. You've got a u-boot device, you can install almost any distro you want. I have Fedora installed on my Helios64. Ubuntu should be fine. https://tinyurl.com/y9szhssk (11s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @tigerhiddenadam @recantha @armbian Excellent - that gives me a route forward! How did you handle things like the internal UPS - did it just get picked up, or did you have to port anything across from Armbian? https://tinyurl.com/ybmj7kpc (22s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<lanefu "thats using a MIPI?"> Yes
<lanefu>
very cool! what screen is it
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It's the screen OrangePi sell for their OPi4 boards. It's some generic brand I guess.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I think it's Innolux LCD judging from part number
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@XsaviTM (Xsavi Xander): I would like to use my Amlogic S905X box as a dedicated mini LAN file server with Armbian, but I can't seem to find drivers for it's internal Wi-Fi and bluetooth card (AP6818). It's there for Android, might have to take from there and see. Until then, Wi-Fi dongle it is. https://tinyurl.com/y7ptkp9y (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @armbian I see Igor is doubling-down. Apparently asking the company I literally paid for help in working around a broken - and apparently-abandoned - script in Armbian represents a "support level worth billions." https://t.co/yF7K1CK2Vthttps://tinyurl.com/ybr4mryo (11s ago)
<c0rnelius>
Hmm. Maybe that fella should learn how to compile and flash his own boot bins.
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @ghalfacree @armbian This scenario arises periodically. The dialog ends up being sub-optional like this. Armbian's pain point is that there's very few contributors and maintainers to keep up with lane@buildserver:~/GIT/build$ ls config/boards/|wc -l 134 currently 134 different SBC configs https://tinyurl.com/ybqc3fnq (3s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @ghalfacree @armbian The ratio of users is much higher.... as it solves a huge problem.. linux that actually boots on SBCs. We'd love to have more maintainers on the project just to help track and test issues for specific SBCs or families. https://tinyurl.com/yb8so49x (22s ago)
<lanefu>
"There's no such thing as bad press"
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @lanefu @armbian I wouldn't call it "sub-optimal." Aggressive, yes. Abusive, even. Especially on a sub-forum which is *supposed* to be a direct line of contact between Kobol and its customers. But I guess chasing off users is one way to minimise growing pains. https://tinyurl.com/y9hayr7d (12s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @ghalfacree @armbian You can help our culture by bringing more contributors to ease pressure rather than advocating for exodus and fragmentation. https://tinyurl.com/yaozwkdv (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @lanefu @armbian I absolutely do not accept that it is my responsibility to "help [Armbian's] culture." Have you considered that the abusive attitudes are the *reason* you struggle to attract contributors? Or that change needs to happen from within, not be forced from without? https://tinyurl.com/yaztaz6p (27s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): Looks like Igor's attack and my replies have been moved out of the main thread and into a new one, outside the Kobol sub-forum, - labelled "Random rant." https://t.co/vEgC9iKSDxhttps://tinyurl.com/y8o7b7vs (2s ago)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Just read the forum post. This guy is nuts
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @ghalfacree @armbian Not saying its your responsibility. I'm very aware of some of our communication challenges. Fortunately not every one has your experience. I'm sorry you fell into those exchanges. It's a small community in general. Kobol is like 3 people btw. More people helps. https://tinyurl.com/yccx6uyn (23s ago)
<Xogium>
who ?
<Xogium>
what ? Where ? Why ? With whome ?
<Xogium>
ha ha
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ghalfacree (Gareth Halfacree): @lanefu @armbian If more people will help, you need to work towards attracting more people - not attacking them. If you didn't want people posting support requests for their Kobol devices, then entering into a relationship with Kobol *and* hosting their support forum was a mistake. https://tinyurl.com/ybsc9o9n (9s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
That Gareth guy 😆
<Xogium>
oh
<Xogium>
:D
<lanefu>
anyway now more people know we need more people :)
<Werner>
haha
<Xogium>
:D
<Werner>
Annoying nevertheless that every few weeks some topics run out of control -.-
<Xogium>
yeah
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): Yes, sometime @armbian community is hard, like the @Raspberry_Pi forum. No more, no less. https://tinyurl.com/yawq2x95 (30s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
The guy wants to run mainline ubuntu on his board. I don't know what he mean by mainline ubuntu.
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @raspberrytorpes @armbian @Raspberry_Pi RPi has hundreds of developers tinkering on a handful boards. Armbian has literally more than hundred boards and only a handful developers. It can get frustrating when people don't get that and ask for things that simply cannot be afforded (in their requested speed). https://tinyurl.com/y8loxut4 (4s ago)
<Werner>
Maybe "mainline ubuntu" is a new synonym for debian experimental :P
<lanefu>
ROFL
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I don't know if he understands what it takes to make an OS for a embedded system. This this is fucking hard to do right.
<Werner>
Feel free to tell him. The topic is open :)
<lanefu>
yeah it _is_ hard to write
<lanefu>
i've been wanting to have ae big piece in docs.armbian.com explaining the complexiites
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<Werner "Feel free to tell him. The topic"> Haha like he will listen to me 😂
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
The guy bought a board from a vendor and he owns everyone related to this board
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @Raspberry_Pi I'm only talking about the feeling and behavior of members of the community. Of course the Armbian guys do a titanic work compared with the Raspberry Pi counterparts. https://tinyurl.com/y9t8a38h (18s ago)
<Werner>
lanefu, yeah. "Why free software is not really free" or something like that
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @Raspberry_Pi I think this is the correct link that @ghalfacree must share to help with the problems: https://t.co/O6swiX8eWYhttps://tinyurl.com/yctvuaem (12s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @raspberrytorpes @armbian @Raspberry_Pi If you start to dive into things you get understanding for both positions. However if you do not then things can sound offending and... let's just say things become more difficult than necessary. https://tinyurl.com/yazmn5lh (1s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tigerhiddenadam (CrouchingTigerHiddenAdam): @PixelGuff @CodeFoodPixels @ghalfacree @recantha @armbian It's been happening for decades. BBS, forums, code repositories, Stack Overflow and social media, there's too much nastiness. For our industry, it's embarrassing. We're meant to be professionals. https://tinyurl.com/y83zkl68 (23s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @Raspberry_Pi I've been user of armbian since the web is part of personal Igor project. The forum sometimes is exhausting, when you see the same questions again and again. Maybe a forum is not the best way to support a project in long term. https://tinyurl.com/y8em3wra (21s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@dr_barnowl (Ageless O₂ Absorber): @ghalfacree @armbian Even at €2,000 a day it will be a while (2,740 years) before billions have been spent ... https://tinyurl.com/y9l5dkgw (28s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @raspberrytorpes @armbian @Raspberry_Pi Maybe. But that is what we have at the moment. However there is always room for improvements. https://tinyurl.com/yaz6jblv (24s ago)
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<lanefu>
2 days ago we were twitter-shamed for IPV6 performance on our forum :P
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @dr_barnowl @ghalfacree ... users wishes that will never be realised are not a part of the actual work done. Some of them we actually keep and you can add another one https://t.co/pYRjNWMYJxhttps://tinyurl.com/yaxrohw6 (18s ago)
<stipa>
well, some people don't like to loose even if they're not right they're winners
<stipa>
at the end you just quit
<stipa>
and reality is theirs
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
so anybody doing any cool armbian things this weekend
<lanefu>
I took today off work so i'm trying to be in a good mood
<stipa>
i woke up a moment ago
<stipa>
waiting for beer to come from the supermarket
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<lanefu "so anybody doing any cool armbia"> I may get LCD and touch panel working for OPi4/4b this weekend.
<lanefu>
"may" seems like you did
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
That was only LCD and driver looks ugly as hell. Still a lot of code from BSP. I haven't even started on Touch panel support
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<stipa>
well, good luck kprasadvnsi[m]
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