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<lanefu>
PPA: my opi4 hasnt been very stable when crunching rosetta@home on it
<lanefu>
haven't done anything with attached devices
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<Werner>
Good morning
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<PPA>
That's not a good sign; thanks
<PPA>
Good morning
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<Werner>
rdorsch, would you mind disabling the renaming and use /AWAY instead?
<IgorPec>
good morning
<Werner>
Morning Igor
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<Werner>
Jira issue snarfing is now limited to this channel to reduce spam in commits.
<Werner>
AR-123
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-123 [Bug] "OpenHAB2 installation is failing" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-12-27. Status: Done
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<IgorPec>
AR-321
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-321 [Task] "Upgrade Meson (C1) current to 5.7.y" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-06-20. Status: To Do
<IgorPec>
ok
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<Werner>
rdorsch, would you mind disabling the renaming and use /AWAY instead? 2nd attempt
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<Werner>
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<Werner>
Auto-rejoin is even more impolite
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<buZz>
:)
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<hyperreal>
What's wrong with changing nick on away? (I don't do that, but I'm just curious)
<archetech>
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 20.1.1
<archetech>
OpenGL platform interface: EGL
<archetech>
no llvm_pipe for me :)
<lanefu>
haha yeah thats the real deal
<lanefu>
get to work
<lanefu>
alright i'm going to do some yard work before it starts raining for the weekend.. bbiab
<IgorPec>
yeah, later
<archetech>
the eeb/ubu isnt the latest either this is qt 5.15 plasma 5.19.1
<archetech>
the deb/ubu
<archetech>
ubu still on 5.12
<IgorPec>
is that a problem?
<archetech>
for wayland session it is
<archetech>
on lima panfrost boards
<archetech>
this isnt poss on armbian yet
<archetech>
lima (0x13b5)
<archetech>
Device: Mali450 (0xffffffff)
<archetech>
Version: 20.1.1
<archetech>
Accelerated: yes
<archetech>
latest mesa
<IgorPec>
which package is problematic?
<archetech>
Linux manj-arm 5.7.2
<IgorPec>
kernel?
<archetech>
it would need all the very latest qt frameworks plasma kernel mesa
<archetech>
otherwise it all crashes while running and on exit
<IgorPec>
debian sid is usually trunk
<IgorPec>
so it should be duable
<IgorPec>
kernel is not problematic
<archetech>
then theres the whole armbian on rock64 some just dont work
<archetech>
v1,2,3
<IgorPec>
currently we are not there, rockchip64 needs some work
<IgorPec>
we are at 5.4.y there and DEV has some troubles
<archetech>
my thread is still there from months ago trying all this didnt get far
<IgorPec>
we will take care for the kernel part, but elsewhere i have little experiences
<IgorPec>
my desktop tweaking ends with xfce :)
<archetech>
I havent seen much desktop talk here maybe the main use of armbian is NAS
<Werner>
Or headless in general
<Werner>
Btw if you do some desktop work you would even get a free irc bouncer with a fancy hostname in advance :P
<archetech>
I can when I get a different board like an N@ or hardrock64
<archetech>
N2
<archetech>
if they ever release the HR64
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<archetech>
as it is its a staock install not much to document
<archetech>
stock
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<Werner>
Icenowy's PCIe hack seems to work as somebody reported
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<PPA>
Since the Pine H64 Model A isn't produced anymore, is the Orange Pi 3 the only H6 device with a PCIe connector now?
<PPA>
The Sunxi wiki also lists https://linux-sunxi.org/Rongpin_RP-H6B but the device product page 404s and searching for the device brings up very few results
<Werner>
I read somewhere that Pine might bring back the Model A should Icenowy have success to make PCIe work
<PPA>
nice
<buZz>
heh, yeah, if PCIe isnt working that would be a good motivation to not include the connector anymore :)
<PPA>
Asking for clarification since I'm new to all this stuff:
<PPA>
1.) SoCs have a VPU on top of their CPU cores
<PPA>
err, GPU
<PPA>
2.) This GPU is designed for video-related tasks (3D graphics, video de-/encoding, etc.) to be offloaded to it
<PPA>
3.) Drivers like Lima or Panfrost provide the OS with an understanding of the GPU, and thus access to it
<PPA>
4.) Then drivers & libraries like Cedrus, building upon this, allow software to make use of the GPU by telling it to do things
<PPA>
Is that roughly correct?
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<buZz>
PPA: not -all- socs include a gpu
<buZz>
also, not all socs have a -single- GPU for such tasks
<buZz>
A10/A20 has a seperate 2D GPU, a seperate 3D GPU, a seperate video decoder/encoder
<buZz>
cedrus is for that video decoder/encoder
<buZz>
lima is just for the 3D GPU
<buZz>
i think the 2D GPU driver is in kernel? not sure
<PPA>
(That reminds me of the SEGA Saturn)
<PPA>
I see
<PPA>
So a CPU may have different GPUs, each dedicated to a different task
<buZz>
o
<buZz>
no
<PPA>
and each of these needs a driver for software to be able to make use of it?
<PPA>
oh
<buZz>
a SoC is not just a CPU
<buZz>
its a system on a chip
<PPA>
er, typo
<buZz>
it often includes a CPU, yes
<buZz>
all hardware requires a driver to use it, yes
<PPA>
The difference between a SoC and an APU is that a SoC also includes internal connectors that in a normal PC setup are placed on the motherboard?
<buZz>
a APU is a brandname by AMD
<buZz>
its not a general name
<PPA>
oh, thought it was a general term for CPU+iGPU
<buZz>
there's no connectors inside a SoC
<buZz>
its a single chip, the only 'connector' on it are the chip pins
<buZz>
no its not a general term, its just a AMD modelname
<PPA>
I see
<PPA>
“Connector” was probably the wrong term, more like… “interfaces” perhaps?
<buZz>
well, a SoC has more interfaces internally usually
<buZz>
but its not as easy to compare like that
<buZz>
i dont think it need to have any interface internally just to 'be a SoC'
<PPA>
What I read here and there gave the impression that with desktop CPUs, they usually have a few general-purpose (PCIe?) connections that the motherboard can use as it sees fit
<buZz>
sure yeah
<buZz>
also a interface to the RAM
<buZz>
sometimes a memory controller for that aswell
<PPA>
while ARM SoCs support specific numbers of this and that, and you have to work around that by repurposing them (with like a SATA to USB bridge on the board)
<buZz>
'few general purpose interfaces' is also a specific number
<PPA>
of course, but you can use it more flexibly
<buZz>
flexibility is in the mind of the designer
<buZz>
its not determined by being a soc or normal desktop cpu
<buZz>
if you have a core i7 and want SATA, it doesnt have a SATA controller internally
<buZz>
so you would have to add it on a interface you -do- have