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<lanefu> PPA: my opi4 hasnt been very stable when crunching rosetta@home on it
<lanefu> haven't done anything with attached devices
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<Werner> Good morning
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<PPA> That's not a good sign; thanks
<PPA> Good morning
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<Werner> rdorsch, would you mind disabling the renaming and use /AWAY instead?
<IgorPec> good morning
<Werner> Morning Igor
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<Werner> Jira issue snarfing is now limited to this channel to reduce spam in commits.
<Werner> AR-123
<ArmbianHelper> AR-123 [Bug] "OpenHAB2 installation is failing" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-12-27. Status: Done
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<IgorPec> AR-321
<ArmbianHelper> AR-321 [Task] "Upgrade Meson (C1) current to 5.7.y" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-06-20. Status: To Do
<IgorPec> ok
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<Werner> rdorsch, would you mind disabling the renaming and use /AWAY instead? 2nd attempt
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<Werner> Auto-rejoin is even more impolite
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<buZz> :)
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<hyperreal> What's wrong with changing nick on away? (I don't do that, but I'm just curious)
<Werner> ZNC has a nice explanation on their wiki about that: https://wiki.znc.in/Awaynick
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<lanefu> Oooo when did you add Jirabot
<lanefu> archetech: dude what have you been hacking on
<Werner> I dont know, two weeks ago?
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<archetech> manjaro kde wayland and LFS
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<IgorPec> archetech: this is armbian channel :)
<lanefu> ha 2 weeks i'm a late bloomer
<Werner> help irc
<ArmbianHelper> You want some? There you go: Terrific knowledge about our IRC services! https://docs.armbian.com/Community_IRC/
<lanefu> man.. it would be nice if we could get some wayland contributions for desktop
<IgorPec> yeah, some work on desktop would be nice
<IgorPec> current machines are more then capable to run something more powerful than xfce
<IgorPec> and sw support is here
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<lanefu> maybe we could write some requirements for the improement, then post it as a community development request
<lanefu> and then get archetech to implement all teh wayland config :P
<lanefu> *improvement
<IgorPec> additional desktop is anyway planned for some time
<IgorPec> and some work has been done .. sits one some outdated branch somewhere
<IgorPec> i will try to put together the generic part
<lanefu> sweet
<lanefu> btw what's the latest on those testing boards we have
<IgorPec> you mean most powerful ?
<lanefu> sorry no. imean those sdcard multiplexing boards for testing. that olimex made for us
<IgorPec> aha, sdcard switching need complete rework
<lanefu> oh what a shame
<IgorPec> while serial console and power is usable with those adjustements
<IgorPec> mah, this is the reality in the hw design
<IgorPec> we haven't done not a single review, nor proto
<lanefu> well serial console and power gets us pretty far
<lanefu> can start doing NFS testing
<IgorPec> but design is very active
<IgorPec> so there will be v2 soon
<lanefu> oh awesome!
<IgorPec> i expected some troubles TBH
<lanefu> yeah certainly no surprise
<lanefu> re CI testing. i should have the secrets stuff add into the ci-testing-library this evening
<lanefu> i took a break to blog about the work so far.... and i'm a slow writer :P
<IgorPec> ok, test it properly ... IMO there is no rush with this part. i still keep improving the scripting
<lanefu> yeah i'll do a full poc
<IgorPec> ok
<lanefu> i'm also going to try to move more of this inline shell code directly into teh ci-testing-library so our yml isn't so messy https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/.github/workflows/testpr.yml#L40
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<archetech> ompositing Type: OpenGL
<archetech> OpenGL vendor string: lima
<archetech> OpenGL renderer string: Mali450
<archetech> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 20.1.1
<archetech> OpenGL platform interface: EGL
<archetech> no llvm_pipe for me :)
<lanefu> haha yeah thats the real deal
<lanefu> get to work
<lanefu> alright i'm going to do some yard work before it starts raining for the weekend.. bbiab
<IgorPec> yeah, later
<archetech> the eeb/ubu isnt the latest either this is qt 5.15 plasma 5.19.1
<archetech> the deb/ubu
<archetech> ubu still on 5.12
<IgorPec> is that a problem?
<archetech> for wayland session it is
<archetech> on lima panfrost boards
<archetech> this isnt poss on armbian yet
<archetech> lima (0x13b5)
<archetech> Device: Mali450 (0xffffffff)
<archetech> Version: 20.1.1
<archetech> Accelerated: yes
<archetech> latest mesa
<IgorPec> which package is problematic?
<archetech> Linux manj-arm 5.7.2
<IgorPec> kernel?
<archetech> it would need all the very latest qt frameworks plasma kernel mesa
<archetech> otherwise it all crashes while running and on exit
<IgorPec> debian sid is usually trunk
<IgorPec> so it should be duable
<IgorPec> kernel is not problematic
<archetech> then theres the whole armbian on rock64 some just dont work
<archetech> v1,2,3
<IgorPec> currently we are not there, rockchip64 needs some work
<IgorPec> we are at 5.4.y there and DEV has some troubles
<archetech> my thread is still there from months ago trying all this didnt get far
<IgorPec> we will take care for the kernel part, but elsewhere i have little experiences
<IgorPec> my desktop tweaking ends with xfce :)
<archetech> I havent seen much desktop talk here maybe the main use of armbian is NAS
<Werner> Or headless in general
<Werner> Btw if you do some desktop work you would even get a free irc bouncer with a fancy hostname in advance :P
<archetech> I can when I get a different board like an N@ or hardrock64
<archetech> N2
<archetech> if they ever release the HR64
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<archetech> as it is its a staock install not much to document
<archetech> stock
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<Werner> Icenowy's PCIe hack seems to work as somebody reported
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<PPA> Since the Pine H64 Model A isn't produced anymore, is the Orange Pi 3 the only H6 device with a PCIe connector now?
<PPA> The Sunxi wiki also lists https://linux-sunxi.org/Rongpin_RP-H6B but the device product page 404s and searching for the device brings up very few results
<Werner> I read somewhere that Pine might bring back the Model A should Icenowy have success to make PCIe work
<PPA> nice
<buZz> heh, yeah, if PCIe isnt working that would be a good motivation to not include the connector anymore :)
<PPA> Asking for clarification since I'm new to all this stuff:
<PPA> 1.) SoCs have a VPU on top of their CPU cores
<PPA> err, GPU
<PPA> 2.) This GPU is designed for video-related tasks (3D graphics, video de-/encoding, etc.) to be offloaded to it
<PPA> 3.) Drivers like Lima or Panfrost provide the OS with an understanding of the GPU, and thus access to it
<PPA> 4.) Then drivers & libraries like Cedrus, building upon this, allow software to make use of the GPU by telling it to do things
<PPA> Is that roughly correct?
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<buZz> PPA: not -all- socs include a gpu
<buZz> also, not all socs have a -single- GPU for such tasks
<buZz> A10/A20 has a seperate 2D GPU, a seperate 3D GPU, a seperate video decoder/encoder
<buZz> cedrus is for that video decoder/encoder
<buZz> lima is just for the 3D GPU
<buZz> i think the 2D GPU driver is in kernel? not sure
<PPA> (That reminds me of the SEGA Saturn)
<PPA> I see
<PPA> So a CPU may have different GPUs, each dedicated to a different task
<buZz> o
<buZz> no
<PPA> and each of these needs a driver for software to be able to make use of it?
<PPA> oh
<buZz> a SoC is not just a CPU
<buZz> its a system on a chip
<PPA> er, typo
<buZz> it often includes a CPU, yes
<buZz> all hardware requires a driver to use it, yes
<PPA> The difference between a SoC and an APU is that a SoC also includes internal connectors that in a normal PC setup are placed on the motherboard?
<buZz> a APU is a brandname by AMD
<buZz> its not a general name
<PPA> oh, thought it was a general term for CPU+iGPU
<buZz> there's no connectors inside a SoC
<buZz> its a single chip, the only 'connector' on it are the chip pins
<buZz> no its not a general term, its just a AMD modelname
<PPA> I see
<PPA> “Connector” was probably the wrong term, more like… “interfaces” perhaps?
<buZz> well, a SoC has more interfaces internally usually
<buZz> but its not as easy to compare like that
<buZz> i dont think it need to have any interface internally just to 'be a SoC'
<PPA> What I read here and there gave the impression that with desktop CPUs, they usually have a few general-purpose (PCIe?) connections that the motherboard can use as it sees fit
<buZz> sure yeah
<buZz> also a interface to the RAM
<buZz> sometimes a memory controller for that aswell
<PPA> while ARM SoCs support specific numbers of this and that, and you have to work around that by repurposing them (with like a SATA to USB bridge on the board)
<buZz> 'few general purpose interfaces' is also a specific number
<PPA> of course, but you can use it more flexibly
<buZz> flexibility is in the mind of the designer
<buZz> its not determined by being a soc or normal desktop cpu
<buZz> if you have a core i7 and want SATA, it doesnt have a SATA controller internally
<buZz> so you would have to add it on a interface you -do- have
<buZz> like PCIe
<buZz> there's many different ways to do all this
<plntyk> SoC are a little bit different because they are often designed from common building blocks but optimized for a certain task
<buZz> some socs even include ram and flash
<buZz> so you could make a almost-single-chip board
<plntyk> the "CPU" building blocks are basic - but they can vary in number or in how they connect to outside
<buZz> also instructions
<buZz> like that new ESP-S2 (not a SoC perse, i think) has a Extensa core, but also a Risc-V core
<Werner> IgorPec, the toolchain download at a fresh setup seems to be broken
<Werner> Found the issue. gpg is missing
<IgorPec> where gpg is missing?
<IgorPec> i see
<Werner> Add it to all the other stuff that is installed anways at the first start should suffice
<IgorPec> i think we have a problem with initial install
<Werner> So?
<IgorPec> it doesn't detect if apt is running properly and it doesn't install anything at all and also doesn't report an error
<IgorPec> gpgv1 is probably ok?
<Werner> "gpg" package works. Not sure which version is linked
<IgorPec> probably this is the same
<Werner> ,package info gpg
<ArmbianHelper> Error: Package not found.
<Werner> ,package search gpg
<ArmbianHelper> Error: No package found.
<Werner> Ah yeah, it has the Armbian repository only...
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<birkoff> help
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<birkoff> hello guys
<birkoff> I have an X96 device that I want to load armbian on
<birkoff> I've downloaded Armbian_20.02.0-rc1.038_Aml-s9xxx_bullseye_current_5.5.0-rc6_desktop_20200205.img.xz
<birkoff> and uncommented FDT=/dtb/amlogic/meson-g12a-x96-max-no-cvbs.dtb and the APPEND line for # aml s9xxx in the uEnv.txt file
<birkoff> but it won't load...
<birkoff> I also tried uncommenting the odroid FDT line instead
<birkoff> with no success