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<TRS-80>
There he is
<TRS-80>
I knew I should come around this time :D
<Tonymac32>
look what the cat dragged in
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<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 cheers
<Tonymac32>
lanefu my Pine H64-B has been running protein folding for several months with no downtime
<TRS-80>
There he is! What's happening my negro
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<TRS-80>
How are you getting on with OpenHAB?
<Tonymac32>
Man I got so far, then got distracted. Story of my life
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: sweet thats what i wanna hear... does it use a weird power connector or the opi kind?
<TRS-80>
Did you really get far? Dude I am on like my third try, finally making good, solid and stable progress (I think?) lol
<Tonymac32>
lanefu it uses the skinny 5V barrel jack
<Tonymac32>
trs-80 I got to light flipping, some events, etc
<TRS-80>
I have certain lights now coming on at sundown! Much excite!
<Tonymac32>
nice
<Tonymac32>
I need to pick a machine that isn't any good for anything else *OPi-3 1 GB COUGH*
<Tonymac32>
and set it up for real
<Tonymac32>
(Not a knock on the OPi-3, but mine is a 1 GB model, which is useless for a lot of things
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: ha.. i have oneplus... i run pihole and wireguard on it
<lanefu>
1GB + java? :P
<TRS-80>
yeah, Cubietruck with OpenHAB was a little sluggush at times, ODROID-XU4 now never breaks a sweat
<lanefu>
sorry i forgot not eeverything java is an enterprise spring ap
<lanefu>
fizikz: good find.. yeeah i tested painline 5.7 and had same expeerience
<Tonymac32>
lanefu headless with ZedRAM should be OK
<TRS-80>
so I have Cubietruck running mosquitto and XMPP server and someother lightweight things now
<Tonymac32>
fizikz that doesn't sound impossible
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: would dram timings be device tree stuff?
<Tonymac32>
the Cubietruck. Never has one. Was trying to get one of those Seeed iMX6 boards, but it disappeared in Cambodia according to the shipping paperwork
<Tonymac32>
lanefu probably uboot stuff
<Tonymac32>
a lot of these boards just trust that uboot configs the hardware
<TRS-80>
Cubietruck is ancient history by now. You can get ODROID-XU4 actually cheaper anyway! I just had one for long time now.
<TRS-80>
Fun fact: Igor trying to get/build Debian on a Cubietruck was what led to Armbian...
<Tonymac32>
right. my home media/file server is an XU4
<TRS-80>
could probably add OpenHAB to that no problem, unless you are like transcoding or something
<TRS-80>
I was just putting finishing touches on custom MySensors / MQTT based thermostat / HVAC control! Much excite!
<Tonymac32>
that does happen
<TRS-80>
well you probably have multiple of them I would imagine, no? :)
<TRS-80>
even I have 2... ;)
<Tonymac32>
I may or may not have a stack of 5 MC1-solos....
<TRS-80>
I do know that
<Tonymac32>
and an XU4 running retroarch in my living room
* lanefu
waves at Tonymac32
<TRS-80>
Do you also stream? Or only video games?
<lanefu>
still have 2 mc1-solos in plastic
<Tonymac32>
I think the OPi-3 will be the one though, I honestly can't think of any other use I have for it since sunxi is not my wheelhouse
<TRS-80>
bah, I keep forgetting I bought that damn HiFiBerry AMP2 for the RPi, guess it stays in living room
<fizikz>
has anyone verified if the benchmark issues also exist on kernel 4.* lately?
<TRS-80>
I mean, if you have it laying around... I suppose you are excused XD
<Tonymac32>
fizikz no, I don't have any running that
<fizikz>
me neither. but i'm thinking it would be good to check
<lanefu>
going to roll to legacy kernel... looks like all armbians for xu4 use same uboot
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: if i run kernel 4.9 on my N2 am I a quiter
<Tonymac32>
ewwwwww
<Tonymac32>
why
<lanefu>
cuz 4k works
<Tonymac32>
I mean if your allwinner stuff has 3.14 on it why not. :D
<lanefu>
yah tritium h5 was driving my 4k last summer
<lanefu>
on mainline
<Tonymac32>
do you believe carburetors are superior to fuel injection by chance?
<lanefu>
for throttle response
<Tonymac32>
... I assume a returned fuel system at all times
<Tonymac32>
returnless is crap
<lanefu>
ROFL
<Tonymac32>
PWM fuel pump = sadface
<lanefu>
ewww
<lanefu>
even my carb has a return on the fuel pump
<lanefu>
OMG i lost the needle to the carb on my powerwasher in the lawn
<lanefu>
that was a fun search
<Tonymac32>
hahahaha
<Tonymac32>
so my wife's "Kohler Courage" pushmower wouldn't run with it's obviously not made-by-harbor-freight chinese engine
<Tonymac32>
if it were a "Predator" branded Chongqing Rato or loncin it would be perfect
<Tonymac32>
anyway, this thing is trash. I simply disassembled and reassembled it and it runs again, didn't find anything in the carb
<TRS-80>
magic
<lanefu>
lucky
<TRS-80>
lol
<lanefu>
i ended up getting a new carb, which has the wrong choke linkage
<Tonymac32>
ugh
<lanefu>
cuz mine is a Subaru/Robin engine
<lanefu>
so parts are extra dumb
<Tonymac32>
I know a Suburu SOUNDS like a lawn mower
<lanefu>
hahaha yeah
<Tonymac32>
that doesn't mean lawn mower engines are Subaru
<Tonymac32>
:D
<lanefu>
i had a 1974 VM karmann ghia with a 1776cc motor, then a 2110cc motor that i sometimes drove with open headers
<lanefu>
it would at least someetimes sound like a harley
<Tonymac32>
man, you really just go looking for pain and suffering I see
<Tonymac32>
:P
<lanefu>
yeah cuz you know what
<lanefu>
the stock 1600cc with headers ran perfect
<lanefu>
idled in 15 degree weather and had head
<lanefu>
got like 30mpg
<lanefu>
but nooo.. i wanted to go faste
<lanefu>
r
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Tonymac32>
my brother got an Audi RS3
<Tonymac32>
and immediately flashed it to take E85
<Tonymac32>
so now fuel is an easter egg hunt and he has to monitor the quality of the fuel
<lanefu>
yeah so i don't understand the E85 thing with drag motors
<Tonymac32>
power
<Tonymac32>
but it also drinks faster
<lanefu>
i thought ethanol has less power
<Tonymac32>
per volume yes
<Tonymac32>
but you add lots
<lanefu>
got it so it like atomizer and kabooms better
<lanefu>
s/atomizer/atomises
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: got it so it like atomises and kabooms better
<Tonymac32>
in any case, to top it off it's a VW, and at $65k new it is about Buick levels of quality.
<Tonymac32>
and not like high end buick quality
<Tonymac32>
I mean like mid 90's buick Century
<lanefu>
ROFL
<Werner>
Good morning
<Tonymac32>
It's everything I would expect of an economy luxury offering, other than the fact it is unquestionably fast
<Tonymac32>
and not economy
<Tonymac32>
Good morning
<lanefu>
fizikz: testing Linux 4.14.186-odroidxu4 now
<lanefu>
Werner: extra early for you
<Werner>
Just arrived at my office
<fizikz>
+1 i'm curious
<lanefu>
Werner: what time do you go home from work
<Werner>
lanefu: Somewhen between 2 and 3 pm cest. Sometimes earlier, sometimes later :P
<lanefu>
2 or 3PM is when people start to leave me alone and i can start actually doing work lol
<Tonymac32>
I am legally required to work only 32 hours/week now, it is... interesting
<Tonymac32>
since I was easily doing 50-60 before
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: wow thats like type email walk away mid
<Tonymac32>
close
<Werner>
Tonymac32: Same thing, but both numbers are less atm
<Werner>
Meeting...just a fancy word for what we call here "blabla" :P
<Tonymac32>
after the necessary and completely mandatory 30 hours of meetings not much gets done ;-)
<Tonymac32>
werner we have a much less appropriate term for it
<Tonymac32>
:D
<Werner>
Haha
<lanefu>
hey do you all use custom feeds for the forums or anything
<lanefu>
like tvboxes has ruined the forums for me
<Tonymac32>
no, and yes
<lanefu>
so i kinda dont look at the firehose anymore
<Tonymac32>
I have this problem also
<Tonymac32>
TVBian
<Tonymac32>
:P
<Werner>
I managed quite decently for myself to ignore it :D
<Tonymac32>
but your avatar describes me looking at it
<Tonymac32>
time to make Amlogic boards sing again, and also I have this ASUS board with literally the most massive power delivery system I've ever seen on an SBC
<lanefu>
HHAHA @tony i could make some new membership groups and deny ourselves access to the tvboxes forum
<Tonymac32>
rofl but sometimes I need to cheat off of Oleg
<Tonymac32>
:)
<lanefu>
yeah doubledged sword i guess
<lanefu>
tell me about this asus board
<Tonymac32>
RK3399 PRO
<lanefu>
whats diff between pro and regular 3399
<Tonymac32>
Has an NPU 4 GB RAM for SoC, 2 GB RAM for NPU
<lanefu>
same core config, but NPU?
<Tonymac32>
HDMI, DP over USB-C
<Tonymac32>
wireless AC adapter
<Tonymac32>
the input is 12V to a 5.5x2.5 barrel jack, so bigger center conductor than the XU4 for example
<Tonymac32>
good for amps
<Tonymac32>
and has a power input header
<Tonymac32>
and the FETS used to protect against back-powering/reverse/etc are gigantic
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-337 [Bug] "Odroid XU4 Memcopy Slow on all Kernel 5.x 80MB/sec instead of 370+MB/sec" reported by Lane Jennison at 2020-06-30. Status: To Do
<chewitt>
I spotted someone mentioning that audio was broken in 5.7.x for Amlogic the other day (or night)
<chewitt>
5.7.6 has an accidental backport from 5.8 included that needs to be reverted
<chewitt>
commit is 1bb707fbfd5c246028d76b8f11a19dfd118d6306
<chewitt>
5.7.5 and earlier are okay
<chewitt>
I believe a fix will come, but until then the revert is fine
<lanefu>
time for me to crash. hopefully thats an easy cherry-pick to pull out
<fizikz>
lanefu: sorry, no i don't know if memcpy can be run on its own. but sounds like you made an exciting breakthrough!
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<Werner>
Nice catch indeed if it is true.
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<lanefu>
fizikz: you wanna test kernel for stability?
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<lanefu>
IgorPec: Werner: Is there any sort of syntax in Jira for annotating something as a "known issue"
<lanefu>
that could go into release notes easily?
<Werner>
Not sure what you mean. The Jira IRC bot?
<IgorPec>
not that i am aware
<lanefu>
nah, Jira Jira
<lanefu>
k
<IgorPec>
but how do you mean to tag this or what?
<IgorPec>
to display known issues here?
<IgorPec>
on IRC?
<lanefu>
not IRC.. mostly just thinking about how to easily log something so that it shows up as a "know issue" with release notes
<lanefu>
s/know/known
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: not IRC.. mostly just thinking about how to easily log something so that it shows up as a "known issue" with release notes
<IgorPec>
ahaa, you mean like a new group: "Story" "Fixed Bugs" ... "Known issues"?
<lanefu>
actually yeah
<lanefu>
cuz we can liknk a story, or a bog, to a known issue too
<lanefu>
s/bog/bug
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: cuz we can liknk a story, or a bug, to a known issue too
<IgorPec>
probably by adding a new type ... let me test
<IgorPec>
it is possible to add "New issue type" ... but am not sure if this is the best way
<IgorPec>
perhaps displaying opened bugs from the backlog under is better?
<IgorPec>
if possible to automatise
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<lanefu>
IgorPec: yeah good point... maybe managing the bugs better makes more sense
<IgorPec>
because adding more types will make more confusion, i guess
<IgorPec>
in theory all bugs that are recorded are known
<Tonymac32>
thanks chewitt I'll take a look later today (day job ATM)
<Tonymac32>
lanefu like I said there was a lot of back and forth about that DMC before it was accepted, it wouldn't be that surprising to find something is messed up still. Good catch
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: thanks.. classic case of open source group effort... since it took fizikz and odroid's response for clues. and you emphasizing how terrible 80MB is :P
<lanefu>
IgorPec: So here's kind of an example of what i'm trying to figure out to track... We found a bug, we have a fix, but it's probably considered a workaround... so hwo to keep track and document that its a workaround https://armbian.atlassian.net/browse/AR-337
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-337 [Bug] "Odroid XU4 Memcopy Slow on all Kernel 5.x 80MB/sec instead of 370+MB/sec" reported by Lane Jennison at 2020-06-30. Status: To Do
<IgorPec>
lanefu: either with a label or component
<lanefu>
k... label probably makes most sense
<IgorPec>
yes. we don't use this much anyway
<IgorPec>
done
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<lanefu>
okay now that I made a difference.. back to messing with CassandraDB :(
<Tonymac32>
haha
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<lanefu>
i like how my code change is literally 2 characters... (actually the same character twice).. and then I write this like opus of ticket info
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<fromport>
lanefu: i would like to test your kernel on my mc1/hc2/xu4 !
<IgorPec>
fromport ... its getting to beta.armbian.com in 1h
<IgorPec>
or less, its building right now
<fromport>
nice!
<fromport>
are you building that native on arm or are you using cross compiler ? (just curious)
<IgorPec>
cross
<Tonymac32>
Igor this may deal with the instability issues as well under heavy load
<IgorPec>
possible, i will also do some more testing, have xu4 on the desk
<fromport>
sbc-bench never finishes on my mc1 (no fan) and reboots
<lanefu>
fromport: interesting.. i've been doing my testing on 2 MC1's
<Tonymac32>
BOINC always crashes at the end of task, machine hangs for me. I couldn't find any warning for it so far, it just does
<lanefu>
I have mixed feelings aboutu BIG.Little I know Jon Masters doesn't have much confidence in anybody implementing it properly
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: man i wonder what would happen if you just shutoff the little cores when you ran boinc
<Tonymac32>
I don't think it's that simple
<Tonymac32>
unfortunately
<lanefu>
it is if you don't understand how things work... like me :P
<IgorPec>
disabling little cores might actually be a solution ... if we could do it
<IgorPec>
easily
<Tonymac32>
it can be done via the device tree
<Tonymac32>
as far as I know
<IgorPec>
probably ... workaround as a last restort
<lanefu>
for ID in {0..3};do echo "0" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu${ID}/online;done
<IgorPec>
does it work?
<lanefu>
yeah man
<lanefu>
and echo 1 to turn them back on
<ArmbianHelper>
great, adjective, synonym for Armbian
<IgorPec>
.great
<lanefu>
htop only shows 4 cpus now
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
thee little cpus are first, right?
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<lanefu>
I don't think i'd wanna ship with cpus disabled.. but maybe as a tweak in armbian-config
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<lanefu>
de-littler
<lanefu>
lol
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<lanefu>
or could just put the trick in the docs
<lanefu>
imma stop talking now
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@WanganTAMan (BUIZ♢): How do you even make the brother printer work in an armbian CUPS server- (9s ago)
<Tonymac32>
honestly I think disabling the DMC is the way forward, it obviously defaults to high-speed, unlike the RK3328 stuff that defaults to Extra Lame Mode (TM)
<lanefu>
^^ Throw in trash buy HP
<IgorPec>
haha
<Tonymac32>
I have a brother laser printer, it goes into deep sleep and never wakes up
<IgorPec>
i have HP and it works ;)
<lanefu>
i have a HP Laser from 2003 and it just works
<Tonymac32>
great feature for WiFi printing...
<Tonymac32>
unfortunately you're out of touch with modern day
<Tonymac32>
:P
<lanefu>
hahaha
<lanefu>
i like my bubble
* fromport
is very happy with it's brother printer. PITA to get working often, but once it works, it is great. great costs/performance
<IgorPec>
fromport: apt update and upgrade on beta repository will give you lates kernels
<fromport>
IgorPec: thanks!
<lanefu>
IgorPec: aka switch to "nightly" from "stable" in armbian-config?
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<IgorPec>
yes
<IgorPec>
now this scripts still runs on my command, but it could also run in a cron
<IgorPec>
since it only goes to rebuild stuff if changed
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<fromport>
Unpacking linux-image-current-odroidxu4 (20.08.0-trunk.28) over (20.08.0-trunk.27) ...
<IgorPec>
yes
<lanefu>
IgorPec: after makng changes to shellcheck last night.. it gave me some more thoughts about testing
<lanefu>
gonna see if I can get one of our data engineers to help me a bit
<IgorPec>
great. i was not doing much with xml creation
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<fizikz>
lanefu: fromport: i don't mind quick tests, but my hc2 is my backup server so i don't want to take extended/big risks on it. thanks to fromport for stepping up with an odroid farm!
<fizikz>
is it simple to downgrade from nightly back to stable later?
<lanefu>
fizikz: yep you can do it all from armbian-config
<fizikz>
lanefu: and there shouldn't be issues from downgrading back to stable after nightly? the beta packages will get removed cleanly?
<fizikz>
fromport: exciting!
<fromport>
standard memcpy : 327.8 MB/s <- much better ! thanks all!
<fromport>
vs standard memcpy : 85.5 MB/s on my "old" kernel: http://ix.io/2qA6
<fizikz>
fromport: and i see the memcpy result is fixed while you're still on the hc1 optimized board config and the resulting slower cpu frequencies
<martinayotte>
IgorPec: Ok ! It seems only "history pollution", nothing changed in files histories ...
<fromport>
fizikz: reconfigured and rerunning
<fizikz>
nice. also note the latency results are fixed too
<fromport>
my mc1 bench is still running, max 1.9Ghz as well, will change/retest when it is done as well. thanks for your eye for details ;-)
<fizikz>
:)
<lanefu>
fizikz: yeah you just switch back to stable from armbian-config
<lanefu>
that's awesome news y'all
<fromport>
thanks lanefu for figuring it out !
<fromport>
hope this gets fixed "upstream"
<lanefu>
fromport: yeah the real fix is for them to figure out the timing stuff.. fortunately this fix is just toggling a kernel feature so nothing to upstream
<fizikz>
lanefu: is it armbian-config -> System -> Nightly ? switching back would have a Stable option? would the installed nightly packages get downgraded automatically?
<lanefu>
s/this fix/this workaround/
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: fromport: yeah the real fix is for them to figure out the timing stuff.. fortunately this workaround is just toggling a kernel feature so nothing to upstream
<lanefu>
fizikz: correct
<lanefu>
Werner: I f-ing love that sed thing with armbianhelper
<fromport>
lanefu: i meant to say "i hope the upstream figures out why the patch is working on 4.x but not on 5.x kernels and i hope they fix it asap " ;-)
<lanefu>
oh that patch doesnt exist in 4.x
<fromport>
hmmm..
<fromport>
did you notify the author directly or just the bug report ?
<fromport>
afk, emergency at work. bbl
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<lanefu>
fromport: I just made the armbian bug report... i also posted updates on the odroid forum thread fizikz started... https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=38774 hoping hardkernel will continue to take interest... i'mm not really up for eaching out to maintainer since i dont understand tehmemory timing stuff
<IgorPec>
martinayotte: great its nothing
<martinayotte>
Right ! It was happening to me in the past, but it is always scaring when I do such mistake.
<IgorPec>
git is a powerfull tool and it takes time to master.
<IgorPec>
i also sometimes just stare :)
<IgorPec>
or google
<Werner>
lanefu, It's a toy :D
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<fizikz>
lanefu: memory (318 MB/s) and latency benchmark results confirmed fixed with kernel 5.4.49-odroidxu4 on my HC2 http://ix.io/2qAV
<lanefu>
fizikz: that's great news... thanks for speaking up and helping me understand the problem
<fizikz>
now for the real test: doing borg check. if that finishes in 2-3 hours instead of 5 hours, this will be a happy day
<lanefu>
Ohh yeah the grand finale
<ArmbianTwitter>
@IpponUSA (Ippon Technologies USA): Mid-journey to the #cloud and have compute sitting idle in your #datacenter? See how @lanefu modernized a project’s testing to the cloud with #GitHubActions, while still using #onprem #compute to save on costs! https://t.co/e5BhkZKlXu #Armbian #Linux #GitHub #CICD #DevOps (7s ago)
<fizikz>
thanks for actually working on this problem. it's been around for a few months and there was little to no response on it. admittedly a tough problem where the first suspect is borg or some other software that might have changed
<lanefu>
:) :) woohoo my blog posted
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): I'm particularly proud of this blog as I was able to practice my #DevOps DevOps craft while benefiting @Armbian, a Linux project I'm very passionate about. https://t.co/VuMRLVzjh2 (7s ago)
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<steev>
hmm
<steev>
5.7 doesn't want to boot on the neo4
<steev>
(or it's booted but video and networking don't work properly)
<steev>
also, this is a thing for 5.7 to keep in mind for users with external wifi devices - https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/6/22/633 (ath9k is broken)
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<fizikz>
lanefu: preliminary result looking good. borg check on one of the repos finished in under half the previous recent completion times. seems like this memory issue and fix/workaround are relevant to my borg problem
<lanefu>
fizikz: saweeet. Nice to have really tangible improvements
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<fizikz>
lanefu: borg check completed in 2.75 hours, as in omv4 / kernel 4.x vs the lately 7-8 hours in omv5 / kernel 5.x. oh the joy...
<lanefu>
Woot!
<lanefu>
I hope the odroid folks followup on your forum thread
<fizikz>
one can hope
<fizikz>
any idea when this workaround will be pushed to stable?
<lanefu>
Not sure. I'll cherry-pick a hotfix and we can merge when appropriate
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<fizikz>
ok. in the meantime i'll just avoid installing updates from nightly on my backup server
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<fizikz>
now for a minor quibble, any idea why htop is showing LITTLE for all 8 cores?
<lanefu>
Try uninstalling, apt cache clear, then reinstall
<lanefu>
Maybe your large cores never fully matured and they're still small?