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<en1gma>
if you can get an extra 300mhz per core for free...why not
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<wdrs>
hi, can anyone tell me if there is a way to fix the CRT screen flicker bug? (i just updated to CM 10.1 today from CM9)
<whitequark>
wdrs: that is a game, and there's a state of the game when neither you play the gadget or the gadget plays you.
<wdrs>
is there a way to turn off the CRT screen off animation and would this fix the problem?
<whitequark>
wdrs: hint: it might involve words "hammer" or "shattering". some of them, or maybe all.
<wdrs>
i tried hammering my phone, it didn't work. it also didn't shatter which is either a testament to gorilla glass technology or my lack of upper body strength
<whitequark>
if the phone has stopped to work, it is quite certainly no longer able to exhibit the behavior which annoys you.
<brinsjt>
whitequark: ^ +1
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<salem303>
hi
<salem303>
can i have some hilpe
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<mdshay>
hai..anyone can help me how to fix unfortuntely setup wirzard has stopped after flash using CM9
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<Jiangyi>
mdshay: use the right gapps?
<mdshay>
Jiangyi :oh right gapps can be solve my problem ya..
<helpneededplease>
need help with a hard bricked (i think) sgs2 gti9100..
<helpneededplease>
was running cm10 from a few days back with the latest gapps..
<helpneededplease>
the phone just stopped an hour back. and never came back on..
<Shuriuken>
got a nand backup?
<helpneededplease>
i think so. i pulled out the sd card from the phone and it seems to have a nand backup inside a cwm folder..
<bealtine^>
can you boot to download mode?
<helpneededplease>
cant boot to anything.. tried download (vol up + menu key + plus on/off key) and recovery (vol down instead of vol. up) and just putting it on too..
<mjt>
does that mean that the recovery is missing/damaged?
<Shuriuken>
sounds like a possible hardware failure
<Shuriuken>
does anything happen if you plug a charger in?
<Shuriuken>
like...any acknowledgement of it being charged?
<helpneededplease>
nope. tried that.. it doesnt show the charging battery thingy
<Shuriuken>
not even an LED?
<helpneededplease>
nope. nothing.
<Shuriuken>
I'd say something fried
<Shuriuken>
but that's just my guess
<bealtine^>
i could try a usb jig but it sounds like mobo is fried
<Shuriuken>
here's a question.....on my S3 stock rom I had USB developer mode........is that available for CM10.1?
<bealtine^>
yes
<helpneededplease>
doesnt sound good at all. what do i do now? im in india so options are few..
<bealtine^>
tap on build number 7 times
<helpneededplease>
mobo?
<bealtine^>
motherboard
<helpneededplease>
oh crap. what now?
<Shuriuken>
lol really? that's a pretty awesome way to hide an option
<bealtine^>
blame google
<spY|da>
try another battery first
<Shuriuken>
lol no, I love it
<helpneededplease>
tried that too.. nothing happened.
<Shuriuken>
stops noobs who can just manage to install a custom rom from enabling stuff they shouldn't
<Shuriuken>
thanks man
<Shuriuken>
I hated not being able to instantly kill my apps lol
<Shuriuken>
I am loving cm10.1 more and more every day haha
<Shuriuken>
please don't hit me for asking, but is there any way to fix the bluetooth streaming? it's seriously the only gripe I have about cm10.1, was good being able to use a bluetooth headset to listen to tunes but if there's nothing that can be done then I guess I'll just continue dealing with it and forget about it :)
<bealtine^>
blame samsung
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<Shuriuken>
haha what did they do?
<Shuriuken>
make it a really stupid interface?
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<bealtine^>
yes
<Shuriuken>
damn
<Shuriuken>
oh well
<Shuriuken>
everything else is perfect
<Shuriuken>
I even put it on my sister's S3 because her voice was sounding muffled under the stock rom
<Shuriuken>
I looked up how to fix it but nothing worked
<Shuriuken>
I eventually came to the conclusion it was a persistant software error in the settings and just stuck cm10.1 on there
<Shuriuken>
lol works perfect now
<Shuriuken>
trying to convince her to buy ROM toolbox so she can stay up to date easier
<Shuriuken>
she'll just have to have me update it every time I come around lol
<Shuriuken>
maybe I can just tape my phone to my side while I workout lol
<Shuriuken>
that will solve the bluetooth problem
<bealtine^>
its a known issue and unlikely to be fixed
<Shuriuken>
yeah I read that it was a known issue, just thought I'd ask. read it ages ago. no biggie really
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<Onixs>
all devices have fastboot mode ?
<brinsjt>
no
<brinsjt>
only devices that are fastboot compliant
<a3Dman>
samsung likes to be non standard, and doesn't use fastboot
<brinsjt>
^ correct
<brinsjt>
Good manufactures use it as well
<brinsjt>
sony
<brinsjt>
use it
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<brinsjt>
and most do but not all manufactures
<a3Dman>
well, anyone looking for consistency and respects standards will use fastboot
<brinsjt>
+1
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<kZard|netbook>
does the oficcial release of i9100 jellybean mean anything special for the CM version?
<brinsjt>
what do you man
<bealtine^>
yeah more broken samsung libs probably
<kZard|netbook>
lol
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<kZard>
I'm just wondering if it'll mean somehow better / more stable / more features / something in the near future for CM
<bealtine^>
samsung are probably the worst coders on the planet
<bealtine^>
i've never seen such useless code in my life
<brinsjt>
ms are pretty bad offenders sometimes
<brinsjt>
but your probably right
<kZard>
lol
<bealtine^>
ms examples are written by 4 year olds
<bealtine^>
samsung code is written by 3 year olds
<nebkat>
hey brinsjt
<brinsjt>
Hi
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<brinsjt>
nebkat: no email :(
* bealtine^
sends brinsjt an email
<bealtine^>
feel better?
<brinsjt>
lol. its another convo
<brinsjt>
bealtine^: Yes :P
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<kZard>
I'm still considering installing 10.1 on my i9100 soon.
<kZard>
The only thing I think I'm really gonna mis is the FM radio
<bealtine^>
spirit fm
<kZard>
oh lol really?
<kZard>
cool :D
<bealtine^>
you have to buy it
<kZard>
I thought it was some driver thing
<kZard>
how much is it?
<bealtine^>
but it works
<bealtine^>
look on play
<brinsjt>
isnt their some sort of demo
<brinsjt>
so you can choose like 3 radio stations
<kZard>
wow lol 90 EUR
<kZard>
I see there is a light version too
<kZard>
for half that
<bealtine^>
7.99 here
<bealtine^>
or 3.99
<kZard>
90 ZAR here really
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<kZard>
I just used /10 for converison
<kZard>
oh wow lol, it's gone up to 12 ZAR for 1 EUR :(
<kZard>
was 10 for the last few years
<brinsjt>
was 10 last year
<bealtine^>
yoyo is rising atm
<kZard>
wow, our polititians really should keep their mouths shut
<kZard>
anaway, so the whole lack of radio thing is really just lack of a radio app on CM?
<kZard>
I thought it was some driver issue :D
<bealtine^>
no dox for the exynos chip
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<geoff>
hi
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<kZard>
oh wow, so it is actually hard to do
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<kZard>
Does CM 10.1 for i9100 allow actual mounting of the internal and external SD cards?
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<kZard>
* via USB
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<kZard>
I know the stock rom does uses MTP or something
<kZard>
which I really dislike
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<brinsjt>
I don't think so
<brinsjt>
Google dislikes people using UMS
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<kZard>
huh, so is it a ICS thing?
<kZard>
I had always thought it was just samsung being silly
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<mjt>
usb-storage way is just too limited for this sort of things
<mjt>
so it is exactly the other way around
<EgotisticalElf>
some phones can't support usb storage, so it isn't a big deal
<EgotisticalElf>
sgs3 shares the internal ROM with the /sdcard and /data partition
<EgotisticalElf>
more specifically, /sdcard is really a FUSE mount to /data/media
<mjt>
heh. now _that_ is a good reason for not supporting usb storage :)
<EgotisticalElf>
i'd loeve to see a patch which removes that FUSE mount and mounts the /extsdcard to /sdcard
<mjt>
these are different
<mjt>
my sgs3 has both
<EgotisticalElf>
ya
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<mjt>
and if you mount one over another you'll lose one or another
<EgotisticalElf>
ya, i'd rather have 16gb for /data and 32gb for /sdcard
<mjt>
many apps "got used" to /sdcard
<EgotisticalElf>
i know, which made it required, which kinda sucked
<EgotisticalElf>
so i get why i have a shared mapping
<EgotisticalElf>
but i have a REAL sdcard, let me use it!
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<mjt>
well. dunno. this fuse is somewhat disgusting technically but not bad
<mjt>
and makes things work
<EgotisticalElf>
ya, makes ext4 look like fat32
<mjt>
most apps can't use /data, and i don't want them to be without their settings when i swap my real sd card.
<EgotisticalElf>
/data was designed to store settings
<EgotisticalElf>
and tbh, i have swapped my sdcard never
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<mjt>
when i go to vacation with kids, i have to swap my regular card with another card filled with movies and stuff like that for the kids. And I've 3 or 4 sdcards which become either unreadable or unwritable with time.
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<GabMus>
hello
<GabMus>
i forgot the unlock pin on my phone
<GabMus>
are there any solutions without wiping?
<GabMus>
is there a file i can pull with adb that contains it?
<tat->
afaik theres a file you can remove to disable the lock
<tat->
as long as you have adb and root
<tat->
google it, or dig around in /data :-)
<Groan>
Anyone know where I can get the Samsung Note 2 keyboard?
<codeworkx>
Groan: install stock rom
<Groan>
codeworkx: can i install it on CM10.1?
<codeworkx>
no
<Groan>
k. thanks.
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<GabMus>
tat- i tried
<GabMus>
but i cant get superuser permissions
<GabMus>
i tried with su
<GabMus>
and it says permission denied
<tat->
ok, guess you havent enabled root for adb. the default setting is off
<GabMus>
shouldnt it ask me to provide google username & password?
<GabMus>
im running cm10.1
* a3Dman
will only buy refrigerators from samsung
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<tat->
GabMus: i think it asks you after several failed password attempts?
<QuinnLion>
refridgerators and displays
<QuinnLion>
(NOT amoled
<QuinnLion>
)
<tat->
GabMus: hm. or maybe not.
<GabMus>
...
<GabMus>
there isnt a way to get it on the pc via google account?
<tat->
your best bet is probably factory reset in recovery
<GabMus>
i can do it, but i lose everything
<GabMus>
fuuuu
<GabMus>
i dont remember it, WHY
<GabMus>
shouldnt google provide a method to reset the pin?
<tat->
i'm pretty sure that they had a feature to do password recovery via the google account in previous versions of android
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<amoblox_>
Good day all!
<amoblox_>
Are there any GPS issues on it I605 CM 10.1 nightlies?
<amoblox_>
I like to play Ingress quite often
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<chadouming_work>
what device is I605 ?
<amoblox_>
VZW Note 2
<chadouming_work>
with dual-core S4 ?
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<amoblox_>
Quad...
<amoblox_>
Unless I'm mistaken
<chadouming_work>
ah, nvm
<amoblox_>
I think the S3 is dual
<chadouming_work>
my bad
<amoblox_>
The note 2 is quad
<chadouming_work>
yeah , tought about the S3
<chadouming_work>
hmm, only here that have a note 2 is nebkat, and i don't think he is maintainer
<amoblox_>
I know that the unofficial builds (pre-nightly) had GPS issues
<amoblox_>
Okay well I'll give it a shot and get back to you
<amoblox_>
I'll post in the xda thread as well
<chadouming_work>
post in the user thread, not dev thread
<amoblox_>
Do you have a direct link for me =)
<amoblox_>
Just in Q&A?
<chadouming_work>
it's probably in Q&A, otherwise might be in general
<sbrissen>
amoblox_: if you turn off wifi location services, gps seems to be pretty reliable
<chadouming_work>
if htere is no user link, dont bother post in dev thread
<amoblox_>
Thanks all
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<nebkat>
chadouming_home: why dont you think im maintainer?
<frankdrey>
YEAH
<chadouming_work>
cause you never said so
<frankdrey>
MAYBE HE IS
<Espenfjo>
Depends on the definition of maintainer
<Espenfjo>
Name on paper, or maintaining a device
<Espenfjo>
:D
<Shuriuken>
<amoblox_> I think the S3 is dual <-- S3 is quad :)
<frankdrey>
which S3 is the question
<frankdrey>
xD
<Shuriuken>
hmmm
<Shuriuken>
well I assumed galaxy because I read Note 2
<Shuriuken>
but after re-reading
<Shuriuken>
I'm not too sure now :P
<frankdrey>
no i mean...
<frankdrey>
there are multiple versions of the galaxy s3
<frankdrey>
#blamesamsung
<Shuriuken>
ahhh
<Shuriuken>
well.... i9300
<Shuriuken>
i9300T - same shit different smell
<chadouming_work>
Shuriuken, the N-A version of the galaxy S 3 (the one with LTE) have a dual-core qualcomm S4
<chadouming_work>
cause stupid exynos didnt support LTE at that time
<Shuriuken>
man you guys got ripped off
<chadouming_work>
lol, i dont have an S3
<Shuriuken>
there's a 4g version out now
<Shuriuken>
hehe by "you guys" I mean north america in gerneral
<Shuriuken>
yes, that goes for all you canadians too :P
<chadouming_work>
eh, dual-core S4 (krait core = almost A15) (and qualcomm in general) > exynos
* frankdrey
has no android phone atm ;_;
<frankdrey>
my dad took the LG G2x back and gave me the iPhone 3GS
<frankdrey>
on the bright side, i have galaxy on fire 2 now
<frankdrey>
again
<chadouming_work>
eh, my lgog is still in repair
<frankdrey>
although i lost all my progress ;_;
<frankdrey>
#blameapple
<frankdrey>
iCloud doesn't work
<Shuriuken>
oh my
<Shuriuken>
3gs?
<frankdrey>
yes
<Shuriuken>
I feel for you man
<frankdrey>
you want to know what other phone i have?
<frankdrey>
the HTC Dream
<frankdrey>
aka the Google G1
<frankdrey>
:D
<Shuriuken>
not familiar with that one
<frankdrey>
the first android phone
<frankdrey>
i'm actually working on an Android 1.0 ROM for it
<Shuriuken>
I would still use it over a 3gs
<frankdrey>
why?
<frankdrey>
it doesn't have galaxy on fire 2 :P
<frankdrey>
i might use it for SMS/call
<frankdrey>
keyboard <3
<Shuriuken>
I upgraded from iphone 3g to a Nokia E63 :P
<frankdrey>
lol
<frankdrey>
iPhone has good games :D
<frankdrey>
i got Minecraft for free :D
<Shuriuken>
at least that thing could handle sms coming through while I was taking a call
<frankdrey>
from freeappslots
<frankdrey>
i might use the iPhone as an iPod touch, but then my dad would probably take it away
<Shuriuken>
use it as a paperweight
<Shuriuken>
:P
<frankdrey>
xD
<frankdrey>
also, this apptrailers thing gave me $2 on amazon xD
<Shuriuken>
lol the only good thing about my iphone 3g
<frankdrey>
i guess i could get it on my tablet
<Shuriuken>
was when I jailbroke it and used cracked apps so apple didn't get any more money out of me
<frankdrey>
galaxy p5113
<frankdrey>
but i'm far here :P
<frankdrey>
lol
<frankdrey>
i've never bought an app
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<Shuriuken>
same :P
<frankdrey>
and i haven't pirated anything on this iPhone
<frankdrey>
:D
<Shuriuken>
some I have bought for my current phone
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<Shuriuken>
but that's only to support the devs on apps I use all the time
<frankdrey>
i got sims 3 from an ea giveaway
<frankdrey>
bloons td5, fruit ninja, doodle jump, minecraft from freeappslots
<Shuriuken>
lol doodle jump
<Shuriuken>
I'm talking to a girl atm, she makes my doddle jump
<Shuriuken>
:P
<frankdrey>
i had lot's of points and nothing to do with them xD
<frankdrey>
xD
<Shuriuken>
hmmm got a question here
<Shuriuken>
anyone know on cm10.1 if it's at all possible to disable the warning from sending too many sms?
<Shuriuken>
lol even though I hit allow it seems to not be sending my msgs
<bealtine^>
security settings iirc
<chadouming_work>
eh, never had that warning xD
<Shuriuken>
lol yeah me neither
<Shuriuken>
but I've sent over 1000 sms in the last 2 days :P
<Shuriuken>
thanks bealtine
<Shuriuken>
is there some sort of manual I can read? would save me asking lol
<Shuriuken>
I'd probably learn a few new tricks as well
<Shuriuken>
oh ok, I see the setting now lol
<Shuriuken>
30 sms in 15 mins
<Shuriuken>
yeah.....that's insane
<Shuriuken>
I should probably ease up
<chadouming_work>
or just get with the person you are texting and talk
<Shuriuken>
lol yeah
<Shuriuken>
that could work
<Shuriuken>
different town though
<Shuriuken>
and it's late
<chadouming_work>
so wut ?
<chadouming_work>
you only have one life
<chadouming_work>
and sleep is for weak
<EgotisticalElf>
chadouming_work, exactly, which is why i get at least 6 hours a day. after 18 hours, i'm always weak
<chadouming_work>
lol
<chadouming_work>
after 18hrs i do get sleepy
<chadouming_work>
but i only need to pass my sleep cycle
<chadouming_work>
which is about 4 * 1-2hr of sleep
<chadouming_work>
i wake up all the time
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<EgotisticalElf>
you sleep like my 8mo old
<EgotisticalElf>
cat naps, all day long
<chadouming_work>
well, it's not all day long tho
<chadouming_work>
it's usually between 1am to 7am
<Morsee>
hi all
<chadouming_work>
hi
<Morsee>
i got a problem in updating my i9100g S2 to jelly bean and the lovely thing i have been trying over mmmm about a week now with a single result that i installed CWM-based Recovery V5.5.0.4 any one could support me with info pls also this is my first time to update my mobile software at home
<Morsee>
oh and my phone is now without any software :D
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<bealtine^>
y u no follow the guide?
<bealtine^>
anyway copy the rom to your sdcard (adb push blah blah) and do the needful from recovery
<Morsee>
i follow many guilds all around same 2 points updating with odin 1.85 or with recovery mode.
<Morsee>
i wanna now to even get back to official version any thing simply i wanna my phone working again can u help me with updating or making him work again ?
<EgotisticalElf>
Morsee: did you flash another ROM to the phone before?
<Morsee>
i tried to flash many but all get the error saying "state 7" in the recovery mode
<Morsee>
and in odin simply saying fail in red box
<Morsee>
if u could support me with a link to tested rom i would be thankfull
<Morsee>
So any could simple tell me what shall i do :)
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<bealtine^>
well i'd flash a stock rom and start again
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<Morsee>
could u link me a link for it as idk where to back to stock
<bealtine^>
samfirmware
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<zuruk>
hi
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<mongi>
is it possible to create a file and flash it trought recovery so it turn wifi on?
<mongi>
or that enables adb deb
<chadouming_home>
you want wifi in recovery ?
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<mongi>
no, when reboot the wifi turn on
<mongi>
cause my gf locked my phone
<mongi>
now it ask me email a pass
<mongi>
i put it but it says is wrong =s
<chadouming_home>
lol, make a nandroid backup
<chadouming_home>
wipe data
<chadouming_home>
restore app with titanium backup
<Thiagovfar>
You can unlock it via adb
<Thiagovfar>
adb is available on recovery
<Thiagovfar>
If you know what to do
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<mongi>
i have seen a tutorial about it on xda and youtube
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<mongi>
is just put in recovery and adb is enabled?
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<Thiagovfar>
Yes, adb is available on CWM
<Thiagovfar>
Might take a while to become online
<mongi>
hmm
<mongi>
won't wipe anything, right?
<Thiagovfar>
do as chadouming told you
<Thiagovfar>
nandroid backup first
<Thiagovfar>
So you can go back, if you screw up even more
<mongi>
i'll backup my files from sdcard
<Thiagovfar>
and, as I always suggest, save the backup outside the phone.
<mongi>
and try to bypass by adb
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<mongi>
don't think adb is enabled on cwm =/
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<Thiagovfar>
It is
<Thiagovfar>
What system are you running?
<mongi>
i typed adb devices
<mongi>
didn't shown my phone =s
<mongi>
cm 10
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<Thiagovfar>
my ubuntu 12.10 is having a lot of trouble finding my phone while on recovery
<mongi>
oh
<Thiagovfar>
takes some plug/unplug cycles
<mongi>
mine is windows 7
<mongi>
will try again
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<Thiagovfar>
Do you have another device?
<Thiagovfar>
to ensure adb is working on your system?
<mongi>
yes, will try with it
<frankdrey>
check device manager
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<plaYer2k>
hello :3
<plaYer2k>
i were looking for the currently known issues for CM10.1 on Galaxy Note 2 / N7100
<kZard|nb>
mjt and EgotisticalElf, what I used to use USB mounting for was to allow applications other than windows explorer to access and sort my phone's files.
<kZard|nb>
Now with MTP, for anything to be able to comfortably acces any files, I first need to copy them over.
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<amoblox>
I maaaay have soft bricked my phone
<amoblox>
WHich is great for a Monday
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<Jiangyi>
Yay
<Jiangyi>
My official driver's licence came in the mail :-D
<plaYer2k>
gz :3
<Thiagovfar>
Jiangyi: If you say that in Brazil, people will think you bought your license driver.
<Jiangyi>
lol
<Jiangyi>
Thiagovfar: Here, they give you a temp paper one and then ship you the real one in the mail :-P
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<Thiagovfar>
Here, you have to go there take it
<Thiagovfar>
even the temporary one
<frankdrey>
so if i burn myself and turn gay, i can get a scholarship
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<frankdrey>
"gay men of color"
<Jiangyi>
._.
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<Thiagovfar>
I don't get it
<frankdrey>
it's a scholarship for "gay men of color"
<frankdrey>
i can become "of color" artificially, no?
<frankdrey>
michael jackson did the reverse ._.
<Thiagovfar>
I must have missed some text here.
<bealtine>
white is a colour
<EgotisticalElf>
kZard|nb, specifically, two programs accessing them at once. USB is explicit storage attached to the PC. MTP is shared storage attached. so the phone can use it while the PC does
<Thiagovfar>
Is IRC message dfe reliable?
<Thiagovfar>
s/dfe/delivery
<frankdrey>
bealtine, :O :O :O GOOD POINT
<Jiangyi>
Right, speaking of UMS and MTP, should enable those for S2 devices now that it's been merged :-P
* Jiangyi
goes to make patches
<Jiangyi>
Even though I don't even have a device anymore xD
<kZard|nb>
I find both MS and Samsung (or android?)'s implementation of that concept quite limiting EgotisticalElf
<kZard|nb>
on the windows side, ONLY explorer can access the files
<EgotisticalElf>
yes, i find it a very flaky implementation myself as well
<kZard|nb>
on the phone side, it becomes unusable whilst something is copying
<EgotisticalElf>
i don't know if it is MS or *NIX, but i'm guessing it is MS
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<bealtine>
nix handling/libs for mtp are crap
<whitequark>
osx and windows are exactly like the nix ones.
<kZard|nb>
"phone is busy copying stuff, come back later"
<bealtine>
that never happens to me
<kZard|nb>
heh, I should try calling my phone whist it's copying
<kZard|nb>
it wasn't a direct quote, but it is pretty much unusable whilst data is being read / written
<kZard|nb>
it is also of course possible that it is a Samsung thing, as I am still running i9100 4.0.3 stock
<EgotisticalElf>
i moved images from my internal -> exteranl today while listening to music and the music kept going just fine
<EgotisticalElf>
the music was on the external
<kZard|nb>
was it done over usb?
<EgotisticalElf>
mtp
<bealtine>
"who" displays that message? computer or phone?
<kZard|nb>
my phone is just unresponsive whilst copying stuff pc <=> phone
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<kZard|nb>
I tested it now. The phone keeps going (playing music etc) which is nice, but only the power button does anything (back / home / menu / volume is unresponsive)
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<kZard|nb>
what also bugs me, is how it only loads a few list items per second. On a long photo list, you can almost go and make a cup of coffee whilst it reads the whole thing. When it finaly has done that, there are no image thumbnails, so you need to work by date/time the picture was taken
<bealtine>
i had a phone like that once...then i sold it
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<kZard|nb>
lol
<kZard|nb>
what do you have now?
<Jiangyi>
Thiagovfar: Just checking, but UMS is now on your i9100 right?
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<Thiagovfar>
Jiangyi: Yup, up and running.
<Jiangyi>
Cool.
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<frankdrey>
so i have to do a culminating project for my high school
<frankdrey>
one of the items is a senior presentation
<frankdrey>
with visual aid as one of the requirements
<frankdrey>
...
<frankdrey>
mwahahahaha
* frankdrey
is not gonna use powerpoint
<frankdrey>
I'm thinking this...
<frankdrey>
a fully animated 3d presentation coded in opengl, or if i'm lazy, blender