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<Werner>
Good morning
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<IgorPec>
good morning
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<HerculeP>
GM, from #odroid: n2+...update the kernel from 5.7.5 to 5.7.14 in the meantime and notice that the network wouldn't come up anymore...
<archetech>
gimme a min I have new image to boot
<archetech>
mines bullseye though
* HerculeP
only owns two odroidc2
<archetech>
why u post about n2+ then
<HerculeP>
just coz igor mentioned the same issue above
<HerculeP>
n2+ will be my next board probably
<archetech>
mine boots repo is dead slow
<archetech>
deb.debian.org
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<chiuii>
a follow-up about the PinebookPro not "booting". It was actually booting, just no display and keyboard input
<archetech>
somebody got an armbian repo thats not 1k/s
<archetech>
always something
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<xwigg>
archetech: 127.0.0.1?
<archetech>
my resolving is fine
<archetech>
18ms to google
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<archetech>
cant get past updating apt to tell if its a nic driver or repo issue
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<Miouyouyou>
I'm at 2MB/sec on apt.armbian.com, so I guess it's a NIC issue.
<archetech>
but whats the ordr of install for above pkgs?
<archetech>
order
<xwigg>
dtb, image
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<archetech>
dpkg -i ?
<xwigg>
yes, dpkg -i *dtb* *image*
<xwigg>
doesn't armbian-config allow you to switch?
<archetech>
no such pkg
<archetech>
on here
<archetech>
236MB at 1k /ps
<xwigg>
that's great, 30 yrs ago
<xwigg>
maybe okug in usb wifi for the moment
<archetech>
take it thsi hasnt happened to you
<archetech>
this
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<archetech>
its called testing images
<archetech>
can be very nasty first test broke my nic now this one has a bad nic setup
<archetech>
and no forum posts or help here
<archetech>
least atm
<xwigg>
dts issue?
<archetech>
I suspect that or kernel
<xwigg>
what does ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
<archetech>
your not thinking of the situ properly
<archetech>
I dont have any way to get things
<archetech>
I can manually install the files or wait for a new image config to be made/updated thats it
<archetech>
and thats not a guarantee of a fix latest files can be bad
<xwigg>
just trying to pinpoint where stuff goes south
<archetech>
you dont have this board and same stuff installed how coud you
<xwigg>
know about NICs and common culprits
<archetech>
ill try a wless nic
<archetech>
ningo got a wlan0
<archetech>
bingo
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<archetech>
upgrade breaks boot gah
<archetech>
solid bl/red lights
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<nekomancer[m]>
I confirm: on N2 current image build with btrfs not boots. just black screen on hdmi.
<nekomancer[m]>
all same command line but ext4 boots.
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<Tenkawa>
is the btrfs compiled in or a module?
<Tenkawa>
if its a module does the initrd have a handler for it?
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* Tenkawa
isnt sure how the boot process works 100% in armbian only in linux core kernel needs so there might be uboot pieces I'm missing
<nekomancer[m]>
who knows. I just run ./compile.sh.
<nekomancer[m]>
I can look inside .img
<Tenkawa>
do you see your kernel build area?
<Tenkawa>
theres an easy way to tell
<nekomancer[m]>
I mount sdcard on laptop.
<nekomancer[m]>
there no word "btrfs" inside /etc/modules.conf
<Tenkawa>
ok get to the area where the kernel source compile was
<Tenkawa>
where did you build this at?
<nekomancer[m]>
in ~/armbian
<nekomancer[m]>
what should I look for?
<Tenkawa>
ok
<Tenkawa>
in your kernel src tree
<Tenkawa>
run
<Tenkawa>
grep BTRFS .config
<Tenkawa>
CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=m
<Tenkawa>
mine is a module because I dont use it
<Tenkawa>
so i dont care
<Tenkawa>
if you see is not set
<Tenkawa>
then it is not defined at all
<nekomancer[m]>
sorry I don'know where is kernel src tree
<Tenkawa>
you'll need to enable it and rebuild that kernel
<Tenkawa>
ahhh
<Tenkawa>
sorry I couldnt help more
<nekomancer[m]>
seems nowhere....
<Werner>
Recreate the image and tell the script to popup menuconfig, then go to filesystems and build btrfs (should be a module atm) directly into the kernel. Then retry.
<Tenkawa>
Werner: exactly
<Tenkawa>
good point but he will need ncurses etc if he doesnt have those dependencues
<Tenkawa>
er dependencies
<Werner>
libncurses5-dev
<Werner>
Is probably the package but I don't know if that isn't covered by the build script anyways as dependencie
<Werner>
s/dependencie/dependency
<ArmbianHelper>
Werner meant to say: Is probably the package but I don't know if that isn't covered by the build script anyways as dependency
<nekomancer[m]>
what clean_level should I use in that case? because a full rebuild takes on my laptop about 5-6 hours
<Werner>
Leave default
<Werner>
Or tell me which image for which board you want and I'll run the job on remote
<Tenkawa>
Werner: yeah just elaborating I hope he's got all the depencies
<nekomancer[m]>
`Recreate the image and tell the script to popup menuconfig, then go to filesystems and build btrfs (should be a module atm) directly into the kernel. Then retry.`
<Tenkawa>
my box takes 7 minutes to run one so I run a few of these a day lol
<nekomancer[m]>
'go to filesytem' — in kernel config gui, or to the kernel sources on disk and run there something?
<Werner>
kernel config gui
<Tenkawa>
nekomancer[m]: have you ever built a kernel?
<Tenkawa>
we should ask that first
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<Werner>
I'll setup a job real quick including ROOTFS_TYPE and btrfs fixed in the kernel
<Tenkawa>
its kinda fun
<nekomancer[m]>
yes, but only with armbian build script
<nekomancer[m]>
it was string `./compile.sh BOARD=odroidn2 BRANCH=current RELEASE=focal BUILD_MINIMAL=no BUILD_DESKTOP=no KERNEL_ONLY=no KERNEL_CONFIGURE=no COMPRESS_OUTPUTIMAGE=sha,gpg,img,gz BTRFS_COMPRESSION=zstd CLEAN_LEVEL="" ROOTFS_TYPE=btrfs`
* Tenkawa
has built probably 10-20k
<Tenkawa>
no.. no exaggeration
<nekomancer[m]>
but! before I run same string with rootfs_type=ext4
<nekomancer[m]>
possible, something not build btrfs because clean_level=""
<Tenkawa>
that was my a large part of my career
<Werner>
Well this is odd...Btrfs IS already fixed built in for N2..
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<Tenkawa>
Werner: are you old enough to remember when this stuff would take 15-20 hours to run 1
<nekomancer[m]>
now I will run without clean level and with kernel cionfig=yes to look into btrfs setting... but result will be tomorrow.
<Werner>
I played with Gentoo on a single core celeron laptop ages ago so....Was kind a painful :D
<xwigg_>
does u-boot support btrfs?
<Tenkawa>
those were painful days
<Tenkawa>
oh ya
<Tenkawa>
xwigg_: good q
<nekomancer[m]>
I have successfull build with same string for rock64 and rockpi4 (only board changed in comand string)
<Werner>
It is properly present in kernel already...
<Tenkawa>
I ran builds on a NCR Microchannel SVR4 machine back in 1996 they took almost 17 hours minimum on average
<Tenkawa>
hmm thats on the N2 non plus??
<Tenkawa>
I can test it here if you like
<Tenkawa>
emmc or sd?
<Werner>
They share the same config afaik
<lanefu>
Tenkawa: yeah building on my Cyrix 6x86 P133+ was much faster than that lol
<Tenkawa>
my n2 is idline so I can see whats up
* nekomancer[m]
now use Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU L 640 @ 2.13GHz core 2 thread 4
<Tenkawa>
er idling
<Tenkawa>
lets see..
<nekomancer[m]>
Tenkawa: N2 non plus, sdcard
<Tenkawa>
this is my build server
<Tenkawa>
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz
<Tenkawa>
12 threads
<Werner>
Mine is a vps with 16 core â 2GHz. Shared cores but does the job anyways.
<Werner>
About 6000 points with geekbench5
<Tenkawa>
this "was" my gaming machine but it weighs too much and I just didnt do any "gaming"
<Tenkawa>
the gaming I did didnt need a dedicated 6gb vid card
<Werner>
Well it is designed to do gaming, not lifting :D
<Tenkawa>
(its a notebook btw)
<Tenkawa>
actually it "is" designed for lifting
<Werner>
I know, I have the same cpu in my business notebook
<Tenkawa>
its a monster
<Tenkawa>
the two fans make this thing sound like a jet when it gets going
<archetech>
btrfs needs posix acl's driver also
<Tenkawa>
but wow its fast
<Tenkawa>
acls really??? uggh
<Werner>
CONFIG_BTRFS_FS_POSIX_ACL=y
<Werner>
Included
<Tenkawa>
what a senseless waste of memory
<Tenkawa>
"forced"
<Tenkawa>
its ok if you are going to use it
<archetech>
and Id use * not m
* Tenkawa
hates modules.. I hardcode wherever I can
<archetech>
me too
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<Tenkawa>
theres a lot of architectural issues they "still" dont have fixed after 20 years with them
<archetech>
hmm weird I reburned my sdcard with above bullseye same image nic works now :)
<Werner>
oO
<archetech>
el bizarro
<archetech>
chkin the logs
<Tenkawa>
wild
<Tenkawa>
curiosity q.. should the www.armbian.com address go to a site or just a repo? right now its just going to the mirrors.dotsrc.org repo
<nekomancer[m]>
once I take instance on aws and try to compile armbian there. But 2 or 3 hours all that instance did — download stuff on 200 kb/s
<archetech>
I istalled inxi and mc last time not sure why that would do harm so....ill do it again
<Tenkawa>
ouch… I couldnt take that dload pain anymore
<Tenkawa>
I had to upgrade.. then again I'm stuck here 95% of the time so I use it a lot
<archetech>
changed fr estonia to denmark too
<archetech>
journ is clean yay
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<archetech>
prob is back guess its intermittant
<DigitalMan1983_>
just noticing that toward the end of my image build there's a lot of "could not resolve deb.debian.org" although it seems like it got through building the image
<Tenkawa>
I know kernel.org and mirror.cc.columbia.edu work well here
<Tenkawa>
well ftp.us.debian.org also has some low bandwidth sites too
<Tenkawa>
they arent all equal
<Tenkawa>
you need to probably ping and traceroute to find a good one
<archetech>
just said it didnt matter
<Tenkawa>
afk bbiaf lunchtimie
<Tenkawa>
er lunchtime
<Tenkawa>
thats why I said use those 2 utilities.. I think something else is wrong
<Tenkawa>
because they work fine here
<Tenkawa>
I'm going to build a n2 image after lunch and test
<Tenkawa>
afk..
<archetech>
pls do
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<lanefu>
archetech: hey what's the TLDR on your throughput problem... mirror issue or nic/driver/ issue?
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<archetech>
tldr?
<DigitalMan1983_>
TLDR "too long didn't read" aka the bottom line when all is said and done
<DigitalMan1983_>
were you able to narrow it down to your NIC or to the mirrors
<DigitalMan1983_>
I'm thinking the issue is with the servers, as I'm now trying another build with the 5.4 release and having the same issues, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case the last time I compiled it
<DigitalMan1983_>
(last week at some point)
<archetech>
ok
<DigitalMan1983_>
hmm this is weird....while compiling the config, firmware, and dtb debs failed to fetch httpredir.debian.org
<DigitalMan1983_>
then when it starts to install additional packages, it's downloading from httpredir.debian.org just fine
<Werner>
Funny. httpredir is deprecated and deb.debian.org should be used instead
<DigitalMan1983_>
deprecated for how long?
<DigitalMan1983_>
I'm using the release with the 5.4 kernel
<archetech>
is changing boot.ini cpu speed lines all there is to that?
<archetech>
move the #
<Werner>
DigitalMan1983_, dont know, a few month maybe?
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<DigitalMan1983_>
when I built 5.7 this morning it used deb.debian.org for the packages and was having trouble with that
<DigitalMan1983_>
looks like the 5.4.1 release I built just now uses the deprecated http redirect
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<DigitalMan1983_>
when I get home from work tonight I'll try both and see if I can boot (still also up in the air as to whether the pine64so board configuration is going to work out)
<Tenkawa>
cpufreq-info and cpufreq-set are your friends
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<xwigg_>
I'm lazy and use armbian-confgi
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<nekomancer[m]>
during armbian build I see step `Compressing sources for the linux-source package`. Is it mandatory, or can be skipped, if all I wain is .img?
<ArmbianTwitter>
@RoganDawes (Rogan Dawes): @OuterOrbitNZ @FriendlyARM_ @P4wnP1 By which I mean, the default usb uart that shows up when you connect almost any Armbian device via USB cable to a USB host. Not a separate usb to uart adapter connected to the headers on the board, which you have to open the case to get at. (31s ago)
<Tenkawa>
config/boards/odroidn2.conf
<Tenkawa>
Doest the first line Amlogic…. have the speed or not?
<Tenkawa>
the original line shouldn't.. the updated should be "# Amlogic S922X hexa core 2GB/4GB RAM SoC 1.8-2.4Ghz eMMC GBE USB3 SPI RTC"
<archetech>
nope
<archetech>
the diff shows one must be carefull not all freqs overlap
<archetech>
ill leave boot.ini alone for now
<Tenkawa>
the n2 and n2+ have different ranges too probably too so dont be surprised if they are taking that into account in there
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<archetech>
dont care much about the details just want ed toknow if what this build has looks like not applied yet
<archetech>
I think werner blocked the upgrades after my attempt to use the latest stuff
<archetech>
hosed the boot
<Tenkawa>
no. my point is why do you think its relevant to the build?
<archetech>
which is good
<Tenkawa>
ie whats it going to fix
<archetech>
the dtb of new n2
<Tenkawa>
n2 or n2+?
<archetech>
so OC is avail
<archetech>
new= +
<Tenkawa>
dtbs dont affect the core clocks of the soc anyway
<Tenkawa>
only devices and io
<archetech>
huh says right in the commit
<archetech>
is it a kernel commit not a dtb commit?
<Tenkawa>
thats a boot command not a dtb
<Tenkawa>
setenv
<Tenkawa>
its an environment variable
<archetech>
ic its a boot.ini commit then
<Tenkawa>
yep
<Tenkawa>
appears they are adding some better persistency which is nice
<archetech>
but that requires a newer dtb and kernel ubbot dont they go together when upgraded ?
<archetech>
uboot*
<Tenkawa>
o
<Tenkawa>
no
<archetech>
and maybe newer firmware too
<Tenkawa>
u-boot is the one you"should" keep the most updated
<archetech>
trying to learn
<Tenkawa>
and u-boot is a mess on the best of days lol
<archetech>
I should ask a dev
<archetech>
putting you on spot for ? above your pay grade maybe
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<Tenkawa>
I cant answer anything officially… Just telling you what I know
<archetech>
the question is essentially what gets changed to get the n2 and n2+ both able to build on the builder?
<archetech>
thats called the board config file I think
<Tenkawa>
theres templates
<Tenkawa>
it can also do boards like my nanopi
<archetech>
ofc it can do lots of sbc's
<Tenkawa>
yep
<Tenkawa>
a ton
<archetech>
you tend to digress in a convo
<archetech>
go off topic
<Tenkawa>
well you arent being clear
<archetech>
sure I am I called it a file you called that a template same thing
<Tenkawa>
no.. "what" are you asking
<archetech>
nm
<Tenkawa>
as in "operationally
<Tenkawa>
"
<archetech>
I just put the ? above
<lanefu>
archetech: uboot has an internal var called someting like "variant" that knows the difference between n2 and n2+... igor added code in teh boot script to load the appropriate DTB baseed on the value of that var
<Tenkawa>
what are you trying to accomplish
<archetech>
ty lanefu
<Tenkawa>
how in the world was that clear ?
<Tenkawa>
from his question
<c0rnelius>
you arguing again, Tenkawa :D
<c0rnelius>
gettin into trouble
<archetech>
the question is essentially what gets changed to get the n2 and n2+ both able to build on the builder?
<archetech>
what gets accomplished is ya get a good build no mater what version of n2 ya got
<lanefu>
Tenkawa: it's a 6th sense
<archetech>
its ok ten you getting lost a little
<Tenkawa>
lanefu: thats my point.. it was 'not' a good question and I do not appreciate people taking offense when they dont ask fully detailed questions
<Tenkawa>
archetech: no. you still left out very important information that lanefu had to keep grabbingat
<archetech>
na he just knew what I was asking to know
<archetech>
without adding any more info at all
<Tenkawa>
lanefu: thank you for your assistance sir
<[TheBug]>
osmosis?
<archetech>
dev vs builder engineer vs r&d scientist
<lanefu>
Tenkawa: i'm just used to different communication styles. a lot of technical people give and receive information in a very direct context... and things that may be apparent in teh eyes of a indirect communicator are not in a direct communicator
<lanefu>
and vice versa
<lanefu>
i had one guy that got very frustrated with other people because he was a direct communicator
* lanefu
used to manage a team of linux people
<archetech>
that explains you well
<archetech>
it is a subtle skill for sure
<lanefu>
pro cat-herder
<lanefu>
:P
<[TheBug]>
ohh I had interpreted based on the communication happening someone had developed an osmosis interface, I am in search of one.. should you ever obtain, please get in contact.
<archetech>
its a feel thing thats coupled to communication true hard to explain for sure
<[TheBug]>
/sarcasm
<[TheBug]>
:)
<archetech>
I always know what lane is saying is that cuz we are direct or something else
<[TheBug]>
be careful, his wife could get jelous..
<archetech>
heh
<archetech>
its a good thing
<archetech>
not a bromance thing
<lanefu>
lol
<archetech>
he's frickin sharp ive worked with the msartest of em all in r&d
<archetech>
smartest and swarmy too those guys
<archetech>
doin calculus in their head and chit
<lanefu>
Oooh yeah those aree the scary brains
<Tenkawa>
ok… the image is done
<Tenkawa>
time to write it to emmc
<archetech>
yeah im not one of them
<archetech>
heh
<Tenkawa>
[ o.k. ] Runtime [ 109 min ]
<archetech>
do you constantly touch the wall at work in the halls lol
<Tenkawa>
not bad for using a VM
<lanefu>
halls?
<archetech>
hallways
<lanefu>
this world is open office
<lanefu>
there ar eno halls
<archetech>
lol true im dating myself
<lanefu>
just fucking noise
<lanefu>
its terrible
<archetech>
yeah so much for the young ergo designers
<lanefu>
well the chairs are good
<archetech>
and their feng shui
<lanefu>
just not the business assholes having ad-hoc meetings at a "common space" behind your desk farm
<archetech>
you dont put these guys in a cubicle or open space
<archetech>
theres the office the lab and the HALLWAYS thats it!
<archetech>
lmao
<lanefu>
dude i used to work for marketing company
<lanefu>
we had a 3 building campus
<lanefu>
finally they rented a palce a mile down the road
<lanefu>
put the nerds there
<lanefu>
and kept on the beauitufil people on the campus for clients n stuff
<lanefu>
s/on/all
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: and kept all the beauitufil people on the campus for clients n stuff
<archetech>
they learned
<lanefu>
yeah.. ultimately it was for the best
<lanefu>
but still a nerd caste
<archetech>
thats still different market and science peeps are not like each other
<archetech>
at all
<archetech>
but I get the point
<lanefu>
in other news.. did I mention I hate kubernetes
<archetech>
idk what that is and dont tell me
<lanefu>
i'm in the middle of helping client debug a volume resizing issue through 2 or 3 layers of abstration, and now their infra team wants to nuke the whole clustre for a whole unrelated set of problems lol
<Tenkawa>
<Tenkawa>
oops
<archetech>
LVM?
<Tenkawa>
ouch
<lanefu>
noo
<lanefu>
so much more complicated
<archetech>
SAN?
<lanefu>
i can do lvm recovery ontop of mdraid in my sleep
<Tenkawa>
could be worse… could be (omg I hope its not) raid 20
<lanefu>
this is resizing a pod's persistant volume claim, driven by a Container Storage Interface, which has middleware tasks that interact iwth aws EBS volumees and the parent container hosts
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<Tenkawa>
aws *shudder*
<archetech>
I left when that was taking off
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<lanefu>
big picture..... AWS is the new Windows NT
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* archetech
ex-MCSE
<archetech>
with Cisco WAN
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<lanefu>
clowns get certfied... use clicky gui things.. make programs out of wonky runtimeese and geenerators
<lanefu>
so on that note.. big picturee.. CNCF's certifactions for kubernetes junk.. are the new Cisco Certs
<archetech>
thats what the lower paid guys always said
<lanefu>
A+ is the only cert i ever got lol
<archetech>
only one that mattered gets ya in
<IgorPec>
kubernetes?
<archetech>
least it used to
<IgorPec>
:)
<lanefu>
haha yep
<lanefu>
i think i might have a sticky e.. or i need to debounce my e key lol
<archetech>
work environments are interesting as psycho as they can be
<archetech>
Wayne State bioengineering ring a bell lane?
<archetech>
then I went to UW-Madison
<lanefu>
no bells
<archetech>
downtown Detroit
<lanefu>
cool
<Tenkawa>
ok… getting ready to power this guy up *crosses fingers*
<archetech>
boot-odroid-n2 ok thats the boot ini thats compat for both boards? n2+ still needs more to be right
<archetech>
at least for mainline
<lanefu>
yeah that boot.ini with the if block conditionally load the correct dtb via $variant
<lanefu>
so same image should work on N2-,N2+
<archetech>
ok then a patched kernel and patched dtb?
<archetech>
or not there yet?
<lanefu>
patched kernel... and a dtb specific for the model
<archetech>
ah right I saw somebody merge the dtb's though
<archetech>
odroid maybe
<archetech>
I cant keep track of 3 distros ways
<archetech>
manj/arch odroid and here
<lanefu>
shit yeah.. i'm seeing that now
<lanefu>
brain hurt again
<lanefu>
lol
<archetech>
trying though
<archetech>
bad memory to boot
<archetech>
ok drum roll Tenkawa what ya got
<lanefu>
Ohhhh my last build was before the patch :P
<Tenkawa>
I got nothing but I think I know why.. gvfs tried to mount my drive as I was writing the image and I think its corrupt
<archetech>
what would happen if I put that boot.ini ya linked into my /boot on n2+ with bullseye 5.7.15 ?
* Tenkawa
disables automount
<archetech>
bummer
<archetech>
it would die setenv fdtfile meson-g12b-odroid-n2-plus.dtb dont have that
<archetech>
tried to get it and broke my build this moring
<archetech>
used armbian-config
<archetech>
trid the nightly thing should ahve known
<archetech>
gotta love testing things from a menu
<archetech>
wonder what this does... aaaaaahhh
<Tenkawa>
heheh long as it doesnt do whatone of my machines did 2 weeks ago
<Tenkawa>
"boom"
<archetech>
I try to draw the line at getting smoke
<Tenkawa>
had a drive failure hit me
<archetech>
hdd circuit board touches case metal while on whats that smell