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<lanefu> sorry dog nose on laptop
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<IgorPec> good morning
<on2> good morning everyone
<Werner> Good morning
<Miouyouyou> Good Morning
<Werner> lanefu, already had a chance to play with actions on the docs?
<lanefu> Werner: not yet. im easily distracted
<Werner> Welp, then put the face mask down :P
<lanefu> lol
<Werner> Prevent coffee accidents
<lanefu> alright going to bed. have fun with your turbo H3s
<Werner> Sleep well
<Werner> Working nicely btw.
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<lanefu> howdy
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<Tenkawa> greetings
<Tenkawa> whats new?
<buZz> chromebooks are hard to get booting
<buZz> fyi :)
<Tenkawa> yep
<buZz> someone gifted me a exynos5 model
<buZz> tried for >24hr to get devuan to boot from SD , failure thusfar :P
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<Tenkawa> I had one of those years ago (dont know what I ever did with it)
<buZz> :)
<buZz> well its pretty nice hw
<buZz> would be a ton nicer with a decent distro on it
<Tenkawa> indeed
<buZz> but all i could find that still worked was some archlinux image
<buZz> and i'm not really that good with arch
<buZz> stuff like pacman -S fluxbox, doesnt even pull in xorg packages O_o
<Tenkawa> I had debian on mine back then before systemd heehee
* Tenkawa likes his odroid-n2 server now though :)
<lanefu> so can i just put the n2+ device tree on my N2 and try to melt it?
<Tenkawa> ouch…
<Tenkawa> nooooo!!!!
<Tenkawa> lol
<[TheBug]> Did someone say they were going to make pancakes with a N2 using the NS+ device tree? Better record that, would be epic!
<[TheBug]> s/NS+/N2+
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: Did someone say they were going to make pancakes with a N2 using the N2++ device tree? Better record that, would be epic!
<martinayotte_> IgorPec: I will do a second garden tour for u-boot switch
<lanefu> :P
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<lanefu> IgorPec: re: customize-image script... currently takes 4 arguments regarding board type... what do you think about adding a 5th argument that we can forward from ./compile.sh like CUSTOMIZE_OPTIONS="SetupMyWifi"
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<Werner> Sorry, you cannot add any more reactions today. lol
<lanefu> man it's important to show support
* lanefu +1
<BenZucker[m]> Indeed
<lanefu> alright cross your fingers.. my opi zero teasetd me by working and joining wifi on the first try
<lanefu> then stopped
<lanefu> even after reflashing lol
<lanefu> trying new sdcard
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<lanefu> aha okay its back
<lanefu> i'll have to be gentled
<viko> Hi! Someone have problems with armbian in orangepi3?
<viko> I installed all versions and no one boot
<viko> and the problem isn't the sd card
<viko> because I installed a Ubuntu version from orangepi official site and it works
<lanefu> also this is weird https://snipboard.io/1MWnNz.jpg
<viko> I think is something like boot or kernel
<lanefu> viko: try oen of the nightly images for opi3
<lanefu> mine's been stable for quite a while
<lanefu> talking to you from it now
<viko> mine's from github?
<lanefu> armbian.com/download
<viko> 404 Not Foundnginx/1.14.2
<lanefu> hang on
<viko> downloading
<viko> I was reading and more people had the same problem
<viko> I have orange pi lite and orange pi pc+ and they worked fine, but I am with this problem since I bought this OPi3
<lanefu> man i forgot how terrible the wifi is on the opi zero.. it's so bad. its kind of incredible
<viko> red led and no boot with nightly version too =\
<HerculeP> how did you put the .img onto the SD? did you try another card?
<viko> with burn disc image (from ubuntu 20) and now I'm trying again with etcher
<viko> I'm trying it in a 8gb sd card (I think not c10), because I'm only with this here. But more later I will try with a class10 sd card, it could be a not c10 sd card the problem too?
* HerculeP used dd (but etcher should work too)
<HerculeP> 8gb should be ok, not class 10 could be a bit slower tho (but that 8g card could be broken)
<HerculeP> thats why I suggested to try another card as well
<Tenkawa> you might want to dd zeros to the first few meg of versthe card just to make sure it doesnt have remnants of old partition table kefto
<Tenkawa> er leftover
<Tenkawa> first few meg of the card
<viko> because when I burn Ubuntu of orangepi official site, it works (I saw that in Ubuntu has 2 partitions, 1 boot and 1 rootfs
* HerculeP never had to do so (but who knows)
<Tenkawa> before you start a new image write
<viko> but armbian makes all in 1
<Tenkawa> HerculeP: I have
<Werner> Yeah, better kill partition table beforehand
<HerculeP> cant hurt at least ;)
* HerculeP still recommends to try a different card
<Tenkawa> I've even had it (not on arm as much where I've ended up with gpt and mbr on one card at the same time)
<Tenkawa> always have a spare cards
<Tenkawa> and mount and fstrim it
<HerculeP> ^ yup
<HerculeP> some ppl also do backups, lol
<Tenkawa> backups???? whats that????
<Tenkawa> lol
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<xwigg> ola
<lanefu> hello!
<xwigg> rtc working?
<lanefu> kinda sorta... i can see it and interact with it.. but waiting for battery to come
<lanefu> and hten i need to do all hte device-tree fu so i can make it /dev/rtc0
<lanefu> soo Xraido on Original Opi Zero.. is still beyond terrible
<lanefu> even weider it can send data much better than it can recieve
<xwigg> odd, try different kernel+dts?
<lanefu> for the zero? i dont think there's anything to do. it's notoriously terrible
<xwigg> it's the wifi chip right? transmitting should be more powerhungry thant receiving
<lanefu> yeah XR819 / xraido
<lanefu> maybe my add antenna sucks
<lanefu> i even tried switchign to a smaller one lol
<lanefu> anyway it's well-known to be garbage
<lanefu> hadnt played with it in a while
<lanefu> just a shame cuz it looks cool and i did a case for for antenna
<xwigg> what's crappy about it the H2 or the radio?
<lanefu> the radio
<lanefu> its some crap SPI radio
<lanefu> junko
<lanefu> you can see old posts on the forum about it
<xwigg> realtek on pc+ works ok
<lanefu> yeah i mean i nkow better than to use this
<lanefu> ex: here's my orangepi lite that's literally 10 inches away from the opi zero http://ix.io/2twg
<Tenkawa> anyone got their hands on a nanopi neo 3 yet?
<IgorPec> not arrived yet
<Werner> I have one here
<Tenkawa> Werner: opinions?
<Tenkawa> I'm thinking of getting one to go with my neo 2
<Tenkawa> I'm curious about the switch to rockchip
<Werner> It works. Performance comparable to an H6
<Tenkawa> nice
<xwigg> USB / eth speed?
<Tenkawa> i might go ahead and proceed then
<Tenkawa> 1gb
<Tenkawa> very nice lan io even on the prior model
<Werner> Did not do iperf yet. For USB only hdparm -tT yet. It is over 100MB/s which should be expected from a common harddrive.
<Tenkawa> I should have the prior model back online tonight and I'll throw comparison hdparm numbers up
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<xwigg> sounds like a good candidate to replace my stuff in the future ;)
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<Tenkawa> ok my neo image just finished building,, transferring to card now
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<lanefu> IgorPec: trying to understand how armbian determines difference between N2 and N2+
<ArmbianTwitter> @pingu_98 (James Devine): At some point I need to write a blog post about running Armbian on my rockpro64, very pleased with it indeed. But I also feel like I need to throw some more serious workloads at it first. (7s ago)
<Tenkawa> lanefu: I would think dtb
<Tenkawa> and some low level asssembly
<lanefu> trying to figure out if ${variant} is a value u-boot has or not
<Tenkawa> ahh
<lanefu> either that, or its in future anticipation of it being set in armbianEnv.txt
<Tenkawa> might be serian numbers embedded into the hardware mac addresses
<Tenkawa> er serial
<Tenkawa> so the mac addresses ranges are their serials
<Tenkawa> for inventory lookup purposes
<Tenkawa> on the wired device
<Tenkawa> since that is hardcoded on the board
<lanefu> nah that stuff isn't that smart
<lanefu> i'm pretty sure we'll just be setting that flag at runtime via armbianEnv
<Tenkawa> actually you'd be surprised at how smart dtb/dts can be
<Tenkawa> especially for locked down blobs
<Tenkawa> I've seen disassembled assembly that shouldve never been made doing that
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<IgorPec> lanefu: u-boot knows :)
<Tenkawa> here were the Neo 2 numbers on my custom Debian build with a MicroSD root
<Tenkawa> Timing cached reads: 756 MB in 2.00 seconds = 377.92 MB/sec
<IgorPec> i am just translating this to proper DTB
<Tenkawa> 132 MB in 3.01 seconds = 43.92 MB/sec
<xwigg> and how fast the sd? ;-P
<Tenkawa> sorry that was the internal 8gb.. this buffered is the external
<Tenkawa> Timing buffered disk reads: 68 MB in 3.06 seconds = 22.21 MB/sec
<Tenkawa> the cached were almost identical
<xwigg> somehow sd seems to lock the sys on zeropi
<Tenkawa> nice little unit for 25$ w 1gb of ram on it even still
<Tenkawa> xwigg: make sure you turn your vm.swappiness down to 1 and check your io scheduler type
<xwigg> sched is none (block).. will try swappiness
<Tenkawa> I'm powering my nanopi with my odroid heheheh
<Tenkawa> got 4 usb 3 ports.. might as well use them for something :)
<xwigg> yeah, I've got an aroma diffuser hanging on the zeropi
<xwigg> been meaning to investigate if I can turn usb power on/off
<ArmbianHelper> AR-392 [Task] "Add Odroid N2+" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-08-04. Status: In Progress
<lanefu> archetech: maybe ^
<IgorPec> he was asking yesterday ;)
<IgorPec> the fan probably doesn't work on mainline yet
<Tenkawa> now I got my 2 build machines rebuilt. this weekend will be getting my pi cluster redone
* Tenkawa just cant push the button to buy a n2+…he'd like to but has enough machines already
<IgorPec> ah, you have more than 100? :)
<Tenkawa> IgorPec: close
<Tenkawa> I have at least 30 raspberry pi's of diff types
<IgorPec> i have 2 rpi's, v1 and v3
<Tenkawa> heheh
<lanefu> i lied! dont use that image
<Tenkawa> back in the 90's I had about a dozen NCR mca boxes… hardly anyone even knows what those are anymore
<lanefu> i left my wifi stuff on it
<lanefu> lol
<Tenkawa> I kinda moss those
<Tenkawa> er miss
<nekomancer[m]> what is best usb wifi for SBC on aliexpress?
<xwigg> ar9271?
<IgorPec> that's a bit historical :)
<IgorPec> 8811AU based
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<nekomancer[m]> > * <@freenode_Tenkawa:matrix.org> just cant push the button to buy a n2+…he'd like to but has enough machines already
<nekomancer[m]> seems N2+ are not stackable. booo.
<nekomancer[m]> <IgorPec "8811AU based"> not something modern?
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<rm> hello
<IgorPec> that's modern. its 5gh AC and runs on Armbian
<IgorPec> and its cheap
<IgorPec> 8822BU is also good
<rm> trying to use VGA port on the Cubietruck
<rm> it shows the boot log for a while, and then just turns it off (No signal)
<rm> on HDMI side it can be seen that the framebuffer console is enabled at that point
<ArmbianHelper> AR-99 [Task] "Enable VGA output on Cubietruck" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-12-13. Status: To Do
<rm> and all the first hits in Google point to editing the script.bins
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<nekomancer[m]> aliexpress: Sorry, your search "8822BU" did not match any products.
<Tenkawa> if I "could" stack the n2 and n2+ that would be a bit more incentive lol
<rm> can I just disable the framebuffer console to stay at the plain VGA one?
<lanefu> yeah no kidding stacking htem both would be cool
<IgorPec> rm: there is a link to one topic
<IgorPec> which you have to study. nobody knows
<rm> I'm not in the mood to "have to study" at this moment, I'm just dismayed that basic feature for an arguably a flagship device still broken years later
<rm> but thanks for your help in any case
<IgorPec> do i sense a complaining here ? :)
<lanefu> Tenkawa: are you the one that works on coreboot?
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<Tenkawa> lanefu: not I
<Tenkawa> I work on a debian 64 bit arm bare metal imager
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<lanefu> Tenkawa: ooo whats that all about
<Tenkawa> ah
<Tenkawa> we came up with a manual debian,ubuntu, and devuan imager for various socs just as a hobby for rpi and it kind of exploded
<Tenkawa> its all menu driven etc
<Tenkawa> downloads everything you need and builds the non binaries
<Tenkawa> originally one guy wrote it
<Tenkawa> I was the main tester
<lanefu> using uefi?
<Tenkawa> now when a new board comes along we try to add support for it
<Tenkawa> for the ones that have it i believe so
<Tenkawa> I'd have to ask the main dev
<Tenkawa> I specialize in more of the rpi side
<Tenkawa> (non efi)
<lanefu> devuan is intriguing
<Tenkawa> the ubuntu builds i know have better support for it
<Tenkawa> yeah devuan on the nanopi runs really well with this approach
<Tenkawa> taking out the systemd overhead is good for it
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<lanefu> archetech: yo
<archetech> hi
<lanefu> want to test n2+ image?
<archetech> needs a 5.8 kernel
<IgorPec> what's not in 5.7?
<archetech> for mali
<archetech> and a mesa 20.02
<ArmbianHelper> AR-392 [Task] "Add Odroid N2+" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-08-04. Status: In Progress
<archetech> and a mesa 20.2
<archetech> to compete with manjaro and odroid-tobetter
<lanefu> yeah we know we're not competitive on desktops, not our primary mission
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<archetech> fine for all the other boards that focus but N2+ is about the desktop for many of its buyers
<IgorPec> both manjaro and tobetter are not usable
<IgorPec> but implementing more edge stuff, yes
<archetech> not true but i'd call them both beta's
<IgorPec> for desktop you don't need much of stability and QA
<archetech> the n2 has a killer gpu and its in heavy dev
<IgorPec> yeah, but we don't sell hardware
<archetech> right I get that
<lanefu> IgorPec: thanks for hustling together 40 patches and rounding up device tree and auto detection for n2,n2+ hopefully we'll get feedback from some testers
<archetech> but using a N2 for a nas is like wasting its gpu
<archetech> better boards around for that use
<archetech> and cheaper
<IgorPec> lanefu: yeah. i hope i didn't break audio ... didn't check that
<[TheBug]> lanefu: weird, got a v7 EBin to test with now and your 5.4.52 image won't boot there -- weird stuff
<lanefu> [TheBug]: dude seriously throw out 5.4.52
<[TheBug]> Wrong Ramdisk Image Format
<[TheBug]> Ramdisk image is corrupt or invalid
<[TheBug]> haha
<lanefu> seriously we moved to 5.6
<IgorPec> bug: i have seen that :)
<[TheBug]> well of course I set it up
<[TheBug]> um
<[TheBug]> any easy way to progress kernels and not rewrite my image
<[TheBug]> feel dumb asking but would save me some effort
<[TheBug]> hmm
<[TheBug]> I know
<lanefu> armbian-config -> system -> other kernels
<lanefu> and make sure image is set to nightly.. should be
<[TheBug]> nah I just want kernel images, I will grab you 5.6.19 and jack the uinitrd and image
<IgorPec> archetech: well, dev branch can follow forward anytime https://docs.armbian.com/Process_Contribute/
<IgorPec> we will certainly not do anything for a while since we are working insane to bring some stable upgrade by the end of this month
<IgorPec> and upgrading infrastructure along this
<Tenkawa> archetech: the n2's also has the io non graphics users like me are looking for in a soc.. I have 0 use for a gpu however the N2 makes a great board because of its backplane io and general specs.. and the price point comparison still puts it in competition with other boards.
<lanefu> [TheBug]: or beta.armbian.com
<Tenkawa> I have a m.2 hooked up tothis thing via usb and i have not seen another board yet that can match it <80$ like this one was
<archetech> true that makes the loss of gpu worth it
<archetech> m.2 ftw
<archetech> better an nvme
<Tenkawa> nod. I dont have a single soc hooked up to video here
<Tenkawa> I wish I had a native pcie slot but… usb will have to suffice
<archetech> or a nvme ssd x 2 in mirror as a nas yeeha
<archetech> right whats the usb3 cabable of in mb/s like 350 ?
<archetech> think a single ssd should saturate it
<Tenkawa> just a sec
<Tenkawa> doh i dont have my usb quirks in yet
<Tenkawa> need to put that in and reboot
<archetech> too bad its nic is not 2.5gb
<Tenkawa> (running this on off emmc atm)
<archetech> for that kind of nas id go H2+
<archetech> or J4100
<archetech> then I think well if n2 has 1gb nic ill just use my rock64 for a nas heh
<lanefu> ya rock64 is kinda perfect for small nas
<archetech> cuz both can sat the nic
<archetech> around 110 MB/s
<[TheBug]> lanefu: I must be unlucky cause 5.6.19 seems to have failed also but I am gonna test different UART also (I did with other image as well)
<archetech> making the n2 a waste like I said
<[TheBug]> s/UART/u-boot
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: lanefu: I must be unlucky cause 5.6.19 seems to have failed also but I am gonna test different u-boot also (I did with other image as well)
<archetech> can run crazy fast inside but cant push that speed out a port
<archetech> but it can push it out the video
<Tenkawa> ok soon as I reboot I'll speed test the port here
<lanefu> would still be good for runing a few containers on NAS
<lanefu> ex: home assistant would be quite spry
<archetech> and the G52 with emmc hd is all one needs for optimal perf
<lanefu> whos a G52
<archetech> n2 gpu
<archetech> one step lower than mali's top gpu
<lanefu> i need to setup my new USB hdmi capture with vlc or something
<lanefu> so i can tinker with desktop crap remotely lol
<archetech> the rpi4 8gb seems like the best vm runner
<[TheBug]> hmm :(
<[TheBug]> Wrong Ramdisk Image Format
<[TheBug]> Ramdisk image is corrupt or invalid
<lanefu> [TheBug]: mismatched uboot?
<[TheBug]> I don't know
<[TheBug]> very strange
<[TheBug]> another strange thing is this one came ion a grey case
<[TheBug]> O_o
<[TheBug]> is labeled v7
<[TheBug]> very weird stuff
<lanefu> is it that v7 they sold as pfsense devices
<[TheBug]> it looks identical except it has grey case instead of white it came in
<lanefu> would you be up for trying the whole image rather than DIY :)
<[TheBug]> I did
<[TheBug]> thats what I am saying
<lanefu> hmm
<[TheBug]> I grabbed nightly
<[TheBug]> and burned it
<[TheBug]> and this is same result
<[TheBug]> but of course this is second had ebin too whos to say not some other issue, though looked almost new in box
<[TheBug]> i dunno
<lanefu> so 5.6 kernel has a seperate dtb for v7 ebin
<lanefu> maybe you need to set that up
<[TheBug]> bout time for food
<[TheBug]> hmm
<[TheBug]> interesting point
<[TheBug]> so
<[TheBug]> now dumb question
<[TheBug]> do you supply the v7 dtb in the image
<[TheBug]> I only see armada-3720-espressobin.dtb
<lanefu> hmm standby
<[TheBug]> when doing Marvell>> ext4ls mmc 0 /boot/dtb/marvell
<[TheBug]> I at least do have a copy of it somewher,
<[TheBug]> but its time for food, let me know what you find and will test when I retun in 30m or so
<lanefu> [TheBug]: you speak the truth
<lanefu> let me check source
<nekomancer[m]> <Tenkawa "downloads everything you need an"> sounds like unetbootin for SBC
<Tenkawa> hmm this is odd.. uas sees the drive and tries to add the quirk I put in the boot and dmesg reflects it but thats all
<lanefu> [TheBug]: ...actually i thikn that's kernel 5.7 that switches that up
<lanefu> [TheBug]: have you flashed the u-boot/firmware stuff on that board yet?
<Tenkawa> doh
<Tenkawa> oh wait that wasnt for me
<Tenkawa> nm
<Tenkawa> there we go
<Tenkawa> cable wasnt in all the way on the drive "doh"
<lanefu> sweet peformance upgrade via cable
<Tenkawa> Timing cached reads: 3136 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1568.06 MB/sec
<Tenkawa> Timing buffered disk reads: 780 MB in 3.01 seconds = 259.54 MB/sec
<Tenkawa> nod bad considering I havent tuned anything yet
<Tenkawa> and the kernel isnt supported
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<lanefu> Tenkawa: how are you testing
<Tenkawa> hdparm
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<lanefu> haha yeah thats pretty good
<Tenkawa> afk.. need to find food
<lanefu> here's my opi6 to cheapo ssd usb
<lanefu> Timing cached reads: 1558 MB in 2.00 seconds = 778.91 MB/sec
<lanefu> Timing buffered disk reads: 856 MB in 3.00 seconds = 285.22 MB/sec
<lanefu> s/opi6/opi3-H6
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: here's my opi3-H6 to cheapo ssd usb
<lanefu> [TheBug]: armada-3720-espressobin.dtb armada-3720-espressobin.dtsi armada-3720-espressobin-v7.dts
<lanefu> armada-3720-espressobin.dts armada-3720-espressobin-emmc.dts armada-3720-espressobin-v7-emmc.dts
<[TheBug]> I loaded uboot from UART so yes I tested that
<[TheBug]> thats not present on the nightly I downloaded
<[TheBug]> maybe it was in your image
<[TheBug]> I can of course test adding it there and see if it boots at least
<[TheBug]> hmm
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<[TheBug]> lanefu: 4.19 kernel image seems to boot