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<xecuter>
huhu
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<IgorPec>
good morning
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<Busbusbus>
Hey guys, I'm a Windows babby with a NAS on the way. If anyone would like to be subjected to a gauntlet of questions hit me up.
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<nekomancer[m]>
Busbusbus: just ask your questions and pray.
<Busbusbus>
Alright.
<Busbusbus>
I have a Helios64 on the way and I'm mostly trying to sort out my plans for what to do with its five bays, working around ZFS as I eventually upgrade/replace drives in the future. I'm also not at all familiar with the OS or the software stacks to do what I'm wanting out of it, which is one larger pool for a media server to serve friends and family
<Busbusbus>
abroad, and a smaller pool for home/work stuff that I can access anywhere.
<Busbusbus>
The slightly iffy part on the hardware side is future expansion. In the future, if I catch humongous enterprise drives on sale again could I back up the 3x3TB RAIDZ1, replace those three with larger 16TB+ drives, copy the data from my two mirrored drives to the new large RAIDZ1, and just toss in the backed-up data onto the mirror? They'd basically
<Busbusbus>
be swapping places in a manner that lets them both grow substantially without changing the zpool topology.
<Busbusbus>
Does that make sense, or would it be unrealistic to try to swap around the purposes of those pools and re-hook the plex/jellyfin/whatever setup to the new drives? The file structure *should* be untouched other than a drive letter change, right? I don't even know what questions to ask regarding network access.
<Busbusbus>
I'm really just trying to make the most of the very limited amount of bays in ZFS with plans for the future, and it'd be reassuring to know that I could juggle things around like that in Armbian. If so, where's a good place to get started on setting things up for these purposes?
<Busbusbus>
Oh hell, one of my earlier messages didn't send. For context, I have a heap of 3TBs on-hand and a pair of 16TBs on the way. Trying to mix those drive sizes in a small number of bays is why I thought up the 3+2 setup and I've convinced myself it'll work as long as I can keep that structure in place and upgrade around it when I eventually replace the
<Busbusbus>
3TB drives.
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<lefreut>
hey guys i have two odroid C2 board where the network don't work using the latest armbian. the net goes up during boot then goes down forever. it does work using the hardkernel official images, anyone had that?
<lefreut>
the image does work on the third board i have
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<HerculeP>
my odroidc2 eth (wifi dongle too) works well using 20.08/5.7
<HerculeP>
well, I didnt check long term wise tho
<HerculeP>
k, uptime 6d, eth still working (apt update etc) k 5.7.15 btw
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<HerculeP>
(bionic desktop)
<HerculeP>
got my IP from my router - hmm, impatient ppl, left already
<HerculeP>
map
<HerculeP>
oops
<thebigfrog>
I can give you my 2 cents: if you're already thinking of changing your drive setup down the road don't to with zfs, it's too rigid. Btrfs may be a better choice https://markmcb.com/2020/01/07/five-years-of-btrfs/
<thebigfrog>
Disclaimer - I use neither btrfs or zfs, just two drives and snapraid
<thebigfrog>
Busbusbus: don't know if this the best place to ask. Check out reddit.com/r/selfhosted and r/homelab
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<Busbus>
Will check those out, thanks. I've heard nothing good about btrfs was going to try to operate within the limitations of ZFS if I could. As long as that idea works it should be fine. I'll try pitching it over there and see what people think.
<Busbus>
If I really need to I could still tear everything down and start with fresh pools to load up from my offsite backups. I'd be losing a layer of redundancy if I had to, though.
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<Werner>
Guess I have to restart the Gitbot again. Does not want to paste anymore...
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<lanefu>
the general trend is to goto main instead of master for branches.. trunk comes from like SVN and earlier stuff i guess.. i never really used CVS
<Werner>
yeah trunk was kind a svn thingy
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<emOne>
How can I send private messages on the forum?
<Werner>
Check the letter icon on the top right corner right beside your avatar if you have set one.
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<Werner>
Check the letter icon on the top right corner right beside your avatar if you have set one.
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<emOne>
Werner it says I can send 0 messages a day
<Werner>
Then you might be still in validating state
<emOne>
How long does that take?
<Werner>
Depends. Every first post of a member needs manually approved due to spam issues.
<Werner>
Once that is achieved either receive a "like" for the post, wait seven days or get a subscription. Either one of these will remove validation status.
<emOne>
I guess I will have to post something very impressive
<emOne>
Perhaps the answer to life, the universe and everything else
<emOne>
The answer is 42
<Werner>
Or simply tell me your name in forums and promise not to write spam via dm :P
<emOne>
My username is Bozza in the forum
<Werner>
Should be fine now
<emOne>
Oh wow. You're a legend Werner. Thank you!
<Werner>
Nah, actually not. Just bored lots of times.
<nekomancer[m]>
Die Legend Werner!
<emOne>
I promise I will not spam though DM. I am just looking to write to two users who perhaps have solved the uboot issue on the same box as me
<Werner>
But I don't want to die :(
<emOne>
Haha neko
<emOne>
:o
<emOne>
Don't die Werner. Live forever instead. It's much better
<Werner>
That means infinite boredom. Not that much pleasant :P
<emOne>
Hehe
<emOne>
OK I am going to try to boot armbian
<emOne>
I think I have figured out the best way. Brb
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* nekomancer[m]
means "die" in deutch, not english
<Werner>
Well...that makes indeed kind a difference
<Werner>
IgorPec, is there a reason why trunk has not been switched to 20.11 by now?
<emOne>
It is funny how u-boot is not very universal. I have tried booting armbian by transplanting the uboot from a previous image. I now get a green screen. Still this is progress since at least something is happening
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<HerculeP>
nekomancer[m]: "Die Legende" then (note the trailing "e")
<IgorPec>
werner: lets wait with this until end of the week
<Werner>
okay
<IgorPec>
emOne: still with TVBOX? :)
<emOne>
Yes IgorPec
<nekomancer[m]>
HerculeP: thank you :)
<IgorPec>
we have many troubles with single board computers, while tvboxes are way bigger wilderness
<buZz>
IgorPec: i dont think adding more boards make them specifically easier ;)
<IgorPec>
buzz: what you mean by that?
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<emOne>
IgorPec it is a s905x3 based TV box so it isn't officially supported
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<buZz>
IgorPec: you said 'many troubles with single board computers' ;)
<buZz>
i dont think the trouble is because of the -amount- of boards
<IgorPec>
yeah, true
<IgorPec>
ofc not
<emOne>
I think it probably isn't all THAT bad. It is a lot of trial and error. It would be a lot better if people were reporting there results of their trial and error
<emOne>
Their
<buZz>
does armbian target any exynos5 boards?
<IgorPec>
emOne: situation with tvboxes is specifics
<emOne>
Because of the different dtb configurations?
<IgorPec>
arm boards are designed for different purposes. tvboxes are designed for one purpose and made as cheap as possible
<IgorPec>
you have absolutely no documentation
<emOne>
True
<IgorPec>
every diff is reverese enginering
<IgorPec>
and there are too many different variants. there is no general managing
<IgorPec>
like we are doing with sbc
<emOne>
My first sbc was a raspberry pi 1
<IgorPec>
buzz: exynos5 is where?
<IgorPec>
emOne: which is also without any docs
<emOne>
Even on those boards the drivers were sometimes not working to the best of their abilities, even though the team was superb. It was an issue with arm licensing out fully capable open source drivers
<emOne>
IgorPec. X86 motherboards also don't have documentation
<nekomancer[m]>
RiscV will save us
<IgorPec>
we will save ourselvs :)
<emOne>
I have my doubts neko
<IgorPec>
emOne: in this segment, you don't need to use Rpi
<emOne>
I actually really liked raspbian
<buZz>
IgorPec: i got a samsung chromebook 2 here :) XE503C32 iirc
<buZz>
i -think- its on some odroid boards aswell
<emOne>
It is kind of crazy how arm is so complicated when it comes to drivers
<IgorPec>
buzz: its different design than XU4
<buZz>
yeah kinda
<IgorPec>
i once thought to buy it
<IgorPec>
to port armbian on it...
<buZz>
hmhmh, i'm running archlinuxarm on it now
<buZz>
with mainline 5.8.0 kernel
<IgorPec>
yeah, i know they provide image
<buZz>
doesnt really need much to port
<IgorPec>
i know
<buZz>
ok :)
<IgorPec>
not now
<buZz>
i scored this one for free, traded it for a pi3
<IgorPec>
i trade it for pi3 back if you like :) haha
<emOne>
:D
<buZz>
:D
<buZz>
IgorPec: imho, just put some ebay alerts, google stopped supporting them now so soon a flood of 'my chromium isnt new enough!' chromebooks will come ;)
<buZz>
thats like saying windows is awesome because its 99% POSIX compliant
<buZz>
they both are oppressive ecosystems, intent on keeping their users dumb
<buZz>
apple's OS 10 is just 'close to BSD' because that prevented them to make a OS
<buZz>
which saves money they could have spent on removing functionkeys
<emOne>
Is Windows posix compliant?
<buZz>
kinda, yes
<emOne>
Are you talking about that Ubuntu for Windows thing that they now optionally have?
<buZz>
no
<buZz>
windows -itself- is
<emOne>
:o
<emOne>
Nooooo
<emOne>
Get out of here
<buZz>
because , like apple, microsoft ALSO didnt want to spend money to learn to write a OS
<emOne>
What?!??!?
<emOne>
You are kidding!?
<emOne>
Elaborate please
<buZz>
so we're all here, on remnants of the 1960 mainframes
<buZz>
being POSIX compliant is about how accounts work, what methods you have for threading, etc
<emOne>
Buzz is here to blow all of our brains
<buZz>
The POSIX specifications describe an operating system that is similar to, but not necessarily the same as, Unix. Though POSIX is heavily based on the BSD and System V releases, non-Unix systems such as Microsoft's Windows NT and IBM's OpenEdition MVS are POSIX compliant.
<buZz>
NT being the same kernel that microsoft has been developing on since the 90s
<emOne>
But Windows isn't similar to bsd, Unix or any derivative
<buZz>
which is still the kernel running 'windows 10' even though they removed NT from the name
<emOne>
Are you saying that if I bend my code enough, or squint, windows will be able to speak linux?
<buZz>
depends on what you mean by 'speak linux'
<buZz>
if you ment 'can i compile portable enough code straight on windows' then yes
<buZz>
-provided- you have a compiler etc
<buZz>
ah see
<buZz>
The NT POSIX subsystem was included with the first versions of Windows NT because of 1980s US federal government requirements listed in Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 151-2.[1] Briefly, these documents required that certain types of government purchases be POSIX-compliant, so that if Windows NT had not included this subsystem, computing systems based on it would not have been eligible for
<buZz>
some government contracts. Windows NT versions 3.5, 3.51 and 4.0 were certified as compliant with FIPS 151-2.
<emOne>
Incredible
<buZz>
my only 'windows training' was for NT 3.51
<buZz>
fully certified MCSE at the time
<emOne>
It sounds like a huge backdoor
<buZz>
rofl
<buZz>
yeah windows is a pretty big backdoor
<emOne>
ironic that they call themselves windows and not doors huh?
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
doors are made to block
<buZz>
windows allow you in
<emOne>
I am making a new OS
<emOne>
It will be called doors
<emOne>
It even has a catchphrase
<emOne>
Doors - when some doors close others open TM
<emOne>
:)
<emOne>
... It is a joke ;)
<ArmbianHelper>
. It is a joke ;) [en~>eng]
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
emOne: back in the BBS days 'doorgames' were really popular
<emOne>
What were those?
<emOne>
I am googling it now
<emOne>
I am surprised about the whole Unix subsystem in Windows
<emOne>
And shocked
<emOne>
What could you do with this subsystem?
<buZz>
emOne: comply to gov standards for not being a shitty hobby OS
<buZz>
while still being so
<buZz>
\o/
<buZz>
one of the things i liked was native support for NFS in NT
<emOne>
The NT Kernel was better than dos/win32
<emOne>
Buzz was that through the Unix subsystem?
<buZz>
i'm not completely sure
<buZz>
win32 was mostly just dosshell.exe turned into a windowing system
<buZz>
its been over 20 years since i voluntary installed a windows computer
<emOne>
Win32 is like a bad joke
<emOne>
Hmm the posix subsystem man,,,, that is a huge security risk
<emOne>
Especially when people are not really aware of it existing
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<buZz>
emOne: people arent aware of 99% of the tech they use
<buZz>
and the security risks it entails
<buZz>
maybe 99.9999%
<emOne>
You don't happen to know a thing or two about smart cards do you?
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<emOne>
Perhaps that was another buzz who I spoke with
<emOne>
About that specific topic
<emOne>
Not in this channel though
<emOne>
buzz, personally I don't think it is the user who is responsible for knowing the security risks inside their tech
<buZz>
i've played with those java devices a bit yeah
<buZz>
emOne: imho it always is
<emOne>
The user pays money for his tech
<buZz>
if a user wants to use tech A , he needs to get a license to show them being aware
<buZz>
if you pay for a hooker, you are responsible for the STDs
<nekomancer[m]>
Google Buzz
<buZz>
and you -should have known- that was a risk
<emOne>
It is the responsibility of the device maker to make it secure because he receives money for it
<buZz>
blaming 'but i paid money for it' on it , isnt a viable responsible action
<buZz>
i dont know if -you- spent money at a fruitstore, a dumpter or some saudi ISIS fork that sells bombs
<emOne>
Fork?
<emOne>
Ohh. As in branch
<buZz>
yeah ISIS was originally american obviously
<emOne>
They were?
<buZz>
why else use a american alphabet :D
<buZz>
obviously, they suddenly existed right after george bush went to the middle east :D
<emOne>
Let's not get into politics
<emOne>
Let's talk about the fruitstore and dumpster
<emOne>
What's your point?
<buZz>
'having paid money for $service' does not mean you dont have to be aware of the risks
<emOne>
So you're saying if you're paying for a bad product you're responsible for the security risk?
<emOne>
Ok
<buZz>
like, any amusement park will take your money to ride a attraction in their park, that DOES NOT relieve you from reading the 'DO NOT USE WHEN PREGNANT' signs
<nekomancer[m]>
<emOne "So you're saying if you're payin"> did you read any contemporary EULA or term of service at all?
<buZz>
or, when you find out that storing that 2/3/4/5G always-on radio next to your testicles makes you impotent, you cant sue Samsung for that, because its literally right in the safety docs
<emOne>
I am still reading neko
<emOne>
Right now I am on page 277
<emOne>
I was thinking about finishing the eula book later this year for one of the companies I registered with
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
did you hear about that 1 eula , that had 'whoever reads this gets 1000 usd' in it
<nekomancer[m]>
you pay money, but they guaraneed nothing. All your own risk.
<buZz>
was unspotted for >5 years , iirc
<emOne>
Do you guys believe the 5g conspiracy theories too?
<buZz>
no
<buZz>
i dont use any cell tech, i have a dumb nokia in storage at home
<emOne>
You're just mad that the Chinese can do it better
<buZz>
ppl that want to call me send me a email 1hr in advance 'go find your phone'
<buZz>
^ no joke
<emOne>
Can I have your email lol?
<emOne>
I am not going to prank call you
<buZz>
sure, emone-wants-to-email-me@spacedout.nl
<emOne>
Sent
<emOne>
Obviously it isn't guaranteed
<emOne>
But some companies have developed a reputation for good security
<emOne>
Apple for example
<emOne>
At least when it comes to iPhones
<nekomancer[m]>
pff!
<emOne>
They invested a lot into securing their devices
<nekomancer[m]>
it's easy — just blame everybody who data isleaked
<buZz>
lol apple security
<buZz>
remember when they admitted to storing your 'encrypted' backups in their icloud -on the same systems as your key to decode them- ?
<buZz>
of course you didnt
<buZz>
but didnt fbi suddenly got really quiet about that decoding request? :D :D
<emOne>
That is why you don't use cloud backup storage
<buZz>
>99% of apple users trust apple
<buZz>
because 22:09:06 < emOne> But some companies have developed a reputation for good security
<emOne>
If the cloud storage is free,, it means it is free for a reason
<buZz>
'developing a reputation' is marketing, not actual dev
<buZz>
you can use clown storage totally secure
<buZz>
a) make your own keys , b) dont put them on clown storage
<buZz>
done
<emOne>
If your email provider is free it means it is free for a reason
<buZz>
if the oxygen you breath is free, it means it is free for a reason
<emOne>
I am actually a fish....
<buZz>
who still breath oxygen
<buZz>
a fish bad at biology , it seems ;)
<emOne>
"breathe"
<buZz>
some even go to the surface to do so
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<emOne>
I respirate
<emOne>
Breathing is for humans
<emOne>
:)
<buZz>
;)
<emOne>
So what is your point Bout free oxygen?
<emOne>
Stop polluting my oceans with plastic because your oxygen is free lol
<buZz>
capitalism isnt a holy grail
<nekomancer[m]>
Ьщщт шыф рфкыр ьшыекуыы
<nekomancer[m]>
Moon is the harrsh mistress
<emOne>
Neko is speaking in tongues
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<emOne>
Ahh hello neighbour the big frog
<buZz>
linux with its zero gains has done more good to humanity in 10 years than the 100 years of proprietary dev that capitalism has done
<buZz>
is linux the exception?
<buZz>
or, are bad systems just always around to drag us down
<emOne>
Neko are you just typing random cyrilic?
<buZz>
lets close libraries because people could get free education there
<buZz>
its free, so its bad
<buZz>
is what amazon would want you to believe
<buZz>
just BUY the books already
<emOne>
I never claimed that you're the product with all free things
<nekomancer[m]>
<emOne "Neko are you just typing random "> no. I just forgot to swich to EN from cyrillic
<emOne>
But with free email and cloud storage you're definitely the product
<buZz>
free email = apt install dovecot
<buZz>
right?
<emOne>
Free as in freedom
<emOne>
Yes
<buZz>
you paid for your dovecot binaries?
<emOne>
By free email I mean Google mail, Microsoft mail or any other "free" email your major tech company in your country
<buZz>
hahaha hotmales yes
<emOne>
Gmail even OCR scans your png, jpg and picture attachments and secretly stores that info
<nekomancer[m]>
before free email like hotmail, lycos, msn everybody use free email from internet provider
<emOne>
I remember
<emOne>
The problem with using your own email server is that if you have a blacklisted ip you end up in the spam folder
<buZz>
better not get your ip blacklisted then :D
<emOne>
Or if you don't know how to properly set up the email server
<buZz>
knowledge is never free
<buZz>
but -access- to it is
<emOne>
Buzz well ipv4 has run out
<emOne>
When you rent a server you will be using an ip from the previous person
<emOne>
So you have to be lucky to get a good IP
<nekomancer[m]>
blacklists are dead
<emOne>
I see so many smal companies who send emails that go straight to the spam folder
<nekomancer[m]>
unprofessional.
<emOne>
Yes
<nekomancer[m]>
or — just as planned, if it is junk mail
<buZz>
emOne: no not 'lucky'
<buZz>
you vote with your money
<buZz>
i can buy DiscountVPS.ukraine , or i can buy from a ISP i know
<emOne>
True
<emOne>
You're not from Ukraine
<buZz>
i am not
<emOne>
I know
<emOne>
If knowledge is not free
<emOne>
But access to it is
<emOne>
What.. Does that mean?
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<emOne>
buZz?
<buZz>
i could tell you , but i'd have to charge
<buZz>
;)
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<buZz>
bitcoin payments to 1buZzujfaG1UPf6iNJjvLnWaKFXHp1EeZ
<emOne>
LOLLLLL
<buZz>
:) one of my youtube wallets
<emOne>
Nice
<emOne>
What's your YouTube channel?
<nekomancer[m]>
one of
<nekomancer[m]>
buZz trendsetter
<buZz>
emOne: askjeeves that address and find out ;)
<emOne>
I already tried
<buZz>
lol, weird hits
<buZz>
youtube.com/buzztiaan < go nuts
<emOne>
I bookmarked your YouTube
<buZz>
:)
<emOne>
So what will you exactly tell if I donate btc?
<emOne>
Obviously you don't need to tell me the specifics
<buZz>
hehe
<emOne>
Because you charge for those
<buZz>
i can give you a book
<buZz>
i cant make you understand it
<emOne>
What's the book about?
<emOne>
Technology
<emOne>
Geography
<emOne>
Theology?
<emOne>
History?
<emOne>
Scientology lol?
<buZz>
its the telephone dictionary
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afternoon guys
<rneese>
how goes the march
<rneese>
I want to make a custom version of armbian using the deepin desltop