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<TRS-80>
Evening!
<TRS-80>
Anyone care for a 5/5 rant about OO paradigm, from the author of Beancount (text based accounting software)?
<nekomancer[m]>
Autumn!
<lanefu>
maybe cliftnotes version?
<lanefu>
TRS-80: are you THE author of beancount?
<TRS-80>
no of course not
<TRS-80>
Martin is, guy works at Google. He is, actually, quite alright (for someone who works at Google). As the following quote will demonstrate.
<TRS-80>
"OO in general was a rather unfortuitous and pointless 20 year detour in the history of programming application, a gigantic waste of time, whose promises never yielded tangible benefits, and I don't like it. It never became an accurate realization of Alan Kay's original concept for OO either. What people call OO today..."
<lanefu>
i learned OO a bit from java class in college
<lanefu>
i guess i don't know what hte dividing line is.. like are all python classes inherintly OO?
<TRS-80>
Keep in mind this guy is professional software dev at Google for long time now. Quite an interesting perspective, I thought.
<TRS-80>
I admit some of it is still even a bit beyond me. But I created a zettel about it, because it resonated with me. I feel like I will refer back to it years from now as my wizard level continues to rise.
<lanefu>
TRS-80: do you live the tasmota lifestyle?
<TRS-80>
You mean the ESP8266 firmware?
<lanefu>
yeah
<TRS-80>
I mostly use 433mhz stuff because I am cheap. And some MySensors which are custom nodes of essentially a uC (typically Arduino Pro Mini) + whatever radio you want (typically NRF24, but could be others) especially the more my electronics skill, knowledge, and inventory grow.
<lanefu>
ah yeah i need to look into the 433mhz stuff for sensor
<lanefu>
anyway i just did tuyaconvert on 6 bulbs, for switches, and a rad little power strip
<TRS-80>
But I did recently purchase some ESP32 and 8266 to start playing with. Haven't got into it yet, and unfortunately propbably won't as all HA stuff is on back burner now. Only doing stuff to set up business now (like mail server, etc.) in preparation of getting back out to work.
<lanefu>
has 1 relay to toggle power on the USB ports, then a relay per socket
<lanefu>
nooooooo not IRL
<lanefu>
no fun
<TRS-80>
> has 1 relay to toggle power on the USB ports, then a relay per socket
<TRS-80>
I was just coming back to ask you this :)
<TRS-80>
ino, rite? :)
<lanefu>
anyway let me know if you want any tips on mail deliverability... dkim signing, spf records etc
<lanefu>
used to manage a system that did 10m emails a day
<TRS-80>
I decided to steer clear of that particular hairball. I am not actually planning on running a full on outbound mail server. I plan on keeping my various domain emails, and just downloading the emails to local server with getmail, and then deleting them off domain server after few days. Then pointing all my clients at home server. Tunneled through Tor of course, so as not to make too obvious
<TRS-80>
patterns to my secret IP connected underground lair.
<TRS-80>
But damn, yeah that's impressive! :)
<TRS-80>
Also, I'm sorry. :p
<lanefu>
TRS-80: okay i'm happy to hear that.. email is miserable
<TRS-80>
Well, I give you credit, especially someone with your experience, not to give the immediate advice which seems to always be "don't do it!"
<lanefu>
yeah I've done email and phone systems
<TRS-80>
Having said that, I think I read enough to agree it's not worth the hassle probably, even for someone like myself.
<lanefu>
and thats like the one thing you don't wanna touch
<lanefu>
cuz people go banannas when that stuff doens't work right
<TRS-80>
I actually thought about it for many years, before deciding on this sort of compromise. This way I keep all my emails on my own infrastructure long term, without getting into the worst of the hairiness which seems to revolve around keeping outbound off blackists, etc.
<TRS-80>
I had a business for long time, and I got used to being able to do all the things you can with email when you control the server (like sorting, etc.). So I wanted to get back to that.
<lanefu>
yeah the reputation stuff is hella hard
<lanefu>
15 years ago doing yoru own email was still sane
<TRS-80>
I actually had a working implementation that would take my settlement PDFs and automatically parse out all the relevant info, and almost completely automatically reconcile them against my own records of completed work (stored in Beancount text based accounting files, of course). One of my prouder nerd moments, perhaps I mentioned it before.
<lanefu>
oh thats pretty cool
<TRS-80>
Yeah, this time in business, it's going to be just me, so I need to automate as much as I can. I no longer have any delusions of grandeur about wanting 20 or more employees. I don't want any.
<lanefu>
yeah wise choice
<lanefu>
avoids pain adn anxiety
<TRS-80>
settlement PDFs that arrived via email, in case that was not already clear ;)
<TRS-80>
So what else you been up to, man? You seem to keep busy.
<TRS-80>
You ordering stuff off AliExpress yet? I think I got 6 pack of 433mhz switched plugs + a remote for like $20 something dollars. :)
<TRS-80>
shipped!
<lanefu>
yeah somehow always busy and behind..... in Armbian land latest stuff had been moving forums etc to new server in california. And writing redirect apps with python-flask to send users to all our new mirror servers for downloads
<lanefu>
so been fiddling with monitoring etc n that frnt as well
<TRS-80>
> i need to look into the 433mhz stuff for sensor
<TRS-80>
check out MySensors for that, only few dollars per node, if you can put together basic electronics
<TRS-80>
and completely customizeable to basically whatever you want
<TRS-80>
my last project was central HVAC controller / thermostat
<TRS-80>
only few dollars in parts, these companies have some nerve charging hundreds for such things
<TRS-80>
to say nothing of the spying
<lanefu>
what are you usin gas a 433mhz bridge
<TRS-80>
an Arduino Nano (is that the one with USB mini (N.B. not micro)?) running www.OpenMQTTGateway.com
<IgorPec>
already we have some magic for this, but perhaps it doesn't work properly
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<martinl>
or should it just boot from sd by default given correct image?
<martinl>
ok, that was easy
<martinl>
there is a emmc/sd switch above sd slot
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<eth01>
Morning
<eth01>
Mirrors caught up?
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<Algyz>
Can anybody help with some desktop issue? It moved downwards somehow, so there is some free space above top xfce panel, and on the bottom it went too low, dunno how happened :)
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<Algyz>
And sound is dissappeared somewhere... It seems working, but no sound.
<Algyz>
Two default servers and one sink, none is working...
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lq_feed (LinuxQuestions Feed): LXer: Armbian 20.08 Released with Initial Support for Rock Pi E, Odroid N2+ and Helios64 https://t.co/Zn1zzLTeEd (5s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DataAugmented (Gamer Geek): LXer: Armbian 20.08 Released with Initial Support for Rock Pi E, Odroid N2+ and Helios64 Support https://t.co/PQHxMgKvcR (18s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@starsurfer83 (Star): Move Espressobin current to K5.6 @armbian Thx Guys for that Kernel Push. (22s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@fossbytes14 (Fossbytes): It includes more user-friendly first login screen. https://t.co/fql8myP1QI @armbian (19s ago)
<Werner>
Even more torrents broke?
<[TheBug]>
?
<[TheBug]>
If there is something wrong say, I know IgorPec and lanefu were working last night on some issues with the redirection
<Werner>
Nah, not that. I mean broken torrent files. My mirror wasted 1,5tb traffic on broken parts last 18 hours.
<[TheBug]>
hmm
<Werner>
No big deal but annoying
<[TheBug]>
igor mentioned wasting a bunch of bandwidth on rsync but i didn't see anything about torrents
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<HerculeP>
where can I find a list of active armbian dl mirrors?
<[TheBug]>
most of the mirroring is done through internal redirects, if you just use the regular apt and dl urls you are being automatically redirected to our mirrors
<[TheBug]>
I don't know if they currently have a list together of them indpependantly
<HerculeP>
I want to select them directly (speed optimized)
<[TheBug]>
well we kinda prefer you use the redirect system so we can balance traffic across the mirrors more efficiently -- again I don't know about a list, I am sure there is one -- armbian.systemonachip.net is a Canada mirror
<[TheBug]>
I know that cause I run it
<[TheBug]>
lol
<HerculeP>
I saved such list anywhere, but my old brain forgot where I saved it ;)
<Werner>
At the moment requests are simply randomly assigned to a mirror I think. lanefu is working on proper geo stuff
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<lanefu>
Yeah i should publish the list. Currently round robin
<lanefu>
There should be links to some mirrors on the download page