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<ArmbianTwitter>
@SPadhi92 (Saswat Padhi): @armbian @IloveRockchip Is it a new case for Nanopi R2S or has the board been improved? (8s ago)
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<Werner>
Good morning
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<IgorPec>
good morning
<IgorPec>
new images are out, was fixing last thing into the nigh
<IgorPec>
nith
<Werner>
Just check torrent statistics
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<Werner>
Armbian_20.05.2_Orangepi-rk3399_bullseye_current_5.4.43.img.xz might be broken, old version though
<IgorPec>
torrent is tottally broken
<Werner>
Why? It is loading fine
<IgorPec>
torrent creation
<IgorPec>
its not completed and it was 2am when i saw that
<Werner>
Ah
<IgorPec>
i have to look into the scripts what is wrong
<IgorPec>
only some torrents are made
<Werner>
I have about 80 torrents left to download. Others looking good so far
<IgorPec>
and links to torrents are possibly dead on some boards
<Werner>
Hm since we have the support of fosshost now maybe torrent images could be neglected a bit? It is mostly used to download the toolchains anyways
<IgorPec>
nah, i will not throw this away because of this minor problem
<Werner>
Aight.
<IgorPec>
its just the fact that in 2am and after working since 7am I can't really solve anything
<Werner>
True
<IgorPec>
also fosshosts are not yet in the pool since they are still synching
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): Armbian 20.08 Caple is out! Yet another hot summer massive @linuxfoundation engineering contributing. Supporting a wide range of @ARM @AmlogicPR @AllwinnerTech @IloveRockchip @MediaTek @nxp @marvellsemi devices. Check what's new: https://t.co/u7aqaNlRYshttps://t.co/DZyDE62zod (13s ago)
<Werner>
\o/
<IgorPec>
yeah, that's it. now bugfix release ;)
<Werner>
And please not let it have some initramfs bs like last time...
<Werner>
IgorPec, Minor issue with the newsflash. The contributors link at the bottom links to the wrong timestamps. It shows from Feb to May
<IgorPec>
fixed
<Werner>
Confirmed
<ArmbianTwitter>
@bigbrovar (Othell Yarwyck): The support pretty much every single board computer out there that is not a raspberry pi. I run it on my Amanda chipset powered 12TB NAS box. Ticks like a clock. For such a small team.. They do massive massive important work. @armbian (23s ago)
<PPA>
To attach an eMMC module to an eMMC-less Orange Pi 4, would you need to solder it in place?
<Werner>
HerculeP, I guess so. IgorPec?
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<IgorPec>
Werner: fixed
<ArmbianTwitter>
@ASketchin (Алексим Скетчин): @orangepixunlong @OPi_Community @Poddingue @linuxdevices @cnxsoft @armbian Orange pi pc2 with 2gb ram will be the best sbc (17s ago)
<archetech>
Aug 21 16:05:08 odroidn2 rsyslogd[1769]: action 'action-1-builtin:omfile' (module 'builtin:omfile') message lost, could not be processed. Check for additional error message>
<archetech>
just updated n2
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<archetech>
seems arnbian hardware monitor is broke
<archetech>
had to disable ^ and rsyslogd /var/log/journal filling up
<nekomancer[m]>
can anybody to add a tag to own post on armbian forum? I see a throbber running forewer.
<lanefu>
don't quite understand what you're saying
<nekomancer[m]>
ArmbianTwitter: help
<lanefu>
nekomancer[m]: you can do this
<lanefu>
..in your native language
<lanefu>
.. translate
<lanefu>
lol ithink ArmbianHelper is asleep
<lanefu>
Werner: can you check on the translate if you have a chance
<Werner>
Will do
<TRS-80>
excuse me, I speak jive
<nekomancer[m]>
<lanefu "don't quite understand what you'"> I have post on armbian forum done myself. There are button "add tag". I try to add tag, click button, got a popup with "add tag". then "choose" — and nothing to choose, no place to rnter, just throbber spins
<Werner>
.. was auch immer
<ArmbianHelper>
What ever [de~>eng]
<Werner>
fixed
<TRS-80>
nekomancer[m]: been a while, but IIRC there are no tags pre-populated (I could be wrong)?
<TRS-80>
and perhaps the "controlled vocabulary" was wiped at some point (could be wrong about that too)
<lanefu>
i enabled wild-west tagging on most of the subforums
<lanefu>
but its still wonky
<lanefu>
also TRS-80 welcome back and solid Airplane! reference
<TRS-80>
Cheers! lanefu :)
<TRS-80>
and Happy Friday, everyone! :)
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<nekomancer[m]>
<TRS-80 "nekomancer: been a while, but II"> so, it's not a reason to go to refresh forewer
<TRS-80>
nekomancer[m]: yeah, you did say that, too
<TRS-80>
probably right
* archetech
could use some confirmation by a user with an N2(+) and bullseye for above issues
<TRS-80>
I have trouble diagnosing stuff like that because I block everything by default and then only whitelist the minimum needed to get any particular site to work, and even then only sites I give a crap about (like Armbian)
* TRS-80
is amazed at the castles of JacaScript on the "modern web"
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<Wizzard>
hello
<lanefu>
howdy
<Werner>
sup
<Wizzard>
hi, Werner
<TRS-80>
a wizard! :)
<TRS-80>
what is it, Saturday morning right now in vampire land?
<Werner>
hey rarely visitor :D
<Wizzard>
I wanted to try that OPI PC test build, but my wife wants to print something today, so I cannot :)
<TRS-80>
IgorPec around?
<TRS-80>
Ohai Werner! :)
<IgorPec>
hey, i am around but brain not. was sleeping
<TRS-80>
Probably Werner or lanefu knows; last time I was in here (maybe month ago) IgorPec was saying something about losing some infrastructure over the summer?
<TRS-80>
Hey good morning IgorPec! :)
<IgorPec>
yes, we mitigated that
<IgorPec>
thanks :)
<IgorPec>
we got some servers ? :)
<TRS-80>
OK great to hear. Sorry took me a month to get back. I don't have a lot of time lately but was thinking about upping my small monthly to a slightly larger (but still small) monthly.
<TRS-80>
(becaue I am still not working yet)
<IgorPec>
np
<TRS-80>
Well, in the normal sense I mean, getting income. I am working on lots of personal projects, before I have to get back out there again and be gone all the time.
<IgorPec>
ah, don't worry about
<TRS-80>
But if you guys are OK for the time being, maybe I will just hold off until I am working again.
<TRS-80>
OK IgorPec. If something changes please email me or whatever. Project is very important and I want it to continue.
<TRS-80>
Free Software does not mean free as in beer. :)
<IgorPec>
if you can help wiht something, just do it
<IgorPec>
i guess job and family is pays a big price
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<Wizzard>
is there a lot of people asking for help? I guess so
<IgorPec>
yes. but i can't help them. its far far over our capacity
<Wizzard>
anyway, they must know and understand that it is not possible to have the solution for every problem
<lanefu>
yeah the ratio "make my cheap SBC work" people to "let me help you all make this SBC work" is pretty skewed
<IgorPec>
the case is they don't understand :(
* nekomancer[m]
open a bug to propose PR when it will be tested.
<Wizzard>
well, their problem :)
<IgorPec>
we waste a lot of time
<IgorPec>
my problem
<IgorPec>
answering people, teach them and reasoning is severe waste of time
<Wizzard>
I guess you do the best and also need some
<Wizzard>
time
<IgorPec>
and something i have no intention to donate
<IgorPec>
people really have extreme expecations
<IgorPec>
like "i want to have few camera support on this and that hardware. I might make a donations"
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<IgorPec>
and reality is that below 10.000 USD nobody will even pick it up
<Wizzard>
but it is written clear. it is like it is and you dont need to answer everything
<IgorPec>
some people expect and dare to demand support, a few % of people are simply morons
<IgorPec>
and they are making big damage, contributing ofc nothing
<lanefu>
yeah i wish it was easier to filter for the more advanced users asking for help than all the noise created by the newbs
<IgorPec>
expect resolution in few days for a project which needs months to complete. Its not possible do else then ignore
<[TheBug]>
there is an easy way, but most people don't like it ;)
<[TheBug]>
Put you money where your mouth is
<IgorPec>
and expect that we will work months for their wish 100% on our expense on top of this
<[TheBug]>
put that 500$ donation first, then we talk
<IgorPec>
yeah, so far perhaps two people actually did that :)
<[TheBug]>
if you really need that thing to work
<[TheBug]>
then you will pay it cause obviously no one else just gonna help you
<IgorPec>
but from 2 x 500% one can cover years :)
<[TheBug]>
if you have the money.. then time is easier to be made
<IgorPec>
yeah. i can ask around for help perhaps
<[TheBug]>
I am not saying don't help anyone
<[TheBug]>
I am just saying anyone who is lippy or expects it now
<IgorPec>
even that solo is a great value. that its possible to help
<[TheBug]>
say sure, when I see $500 donation
<[TheBug]>
I will give you then 2 hours of time
<[TheBug]>
and thats at a discount
<IgorPec>
yeah, but most people expects free service, so we close quickly ;)
<Wizzard>
do you regret some titme that you started this project?
<IgorPec>
not really, its still fun, when morons are not active ;)
<TRS-80>
Lord bless you guys, I am so grateful for all you do. Some times I really worry that Igor will have enough one day and quit.
<[TheBug]>
whats to regret? Only regret is if you can't find your own use for it, then it would be a waste.. but reason we all do it is because we also benefit
<TRS-80>
And then none of us will have nice things.
<[TheBug]>
we all use it on our devices
<IgorPec>
TRS. its not just me, don't worry about
<[TheBug]>
If only people worried as much about H3Droid, IgorPec you seem to to have a lot of fans :D
<[TheBug]>
lol
<Wizzard>
yes, even the newbies learn a lot using it and asking
<[TheBug]>
yeah thats the other reason
<[TheBug]>
gives a way to teach and help those who do care to take the time to learn
<IgorPec>
yeah. probleamtic is that lots of people expect too higher service and don't see the work that is needed behind
<[TheBug]>
inspiration is what keeps things like Armbian going
<TRS-80>
I had business for 20 years before, before that I take 60 credit hours advanced level school, on top of working 14 hour shift every Saturday and running my business in addition to, this is why I burn out and I just cannot dedicate that kind of time, effort, energy any longer. That is why I also see the signs, because I was there before, too...
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): Excited for release... and our new download infrastructure! https://t.co/JV7HnJ7ZfG (24s ago)
<lanefu>
[TheBug]: hows traffic
<IgorPec>
TRS-80: been there too
<Wizzard>
I think that sunxi devices are the biggest problem, am I right?
<TRS-80>
I throw in my paltry sum every month as a small token of appreciation, but it is not enough, I know. I feel guilty not contributing more (mostly time and effort) because I know what you guys are doing.
<IgorPec>
wizzard: it depends for the purpose / function
<IgorPec>
TRS-80: man we should find you a proper job at armbian?
<Wizzard>
I see it on my devices, Allwinner seems to be hard to write a software for
<Wizzard>
all those BPI and OPI
<IgorPec>
wizzard: idk, but its quite well supported. multimedia features are a bit behind, but its possible to bring them up with enough resources
<Wizzard>
they are just cheap, so people like me are buying it and try to run something on that. at least we learn a lot
<IgorPec>
yeah, they are the right tool for such thing
<TRS-80>
IgorPec: I would love to, and I should, but I have to wrap up on projects and get back to work, unfortunately. :( Couple more years when I buy my land in the country, then I don't need to work so much and I can contribute more (especially valuable time and effort).
<IgorPec>
TRS-80: fair enough.
<Wizzard>
Igor, you are the founder?
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<IgorPec>
lanefu: i re-made the torrent creating script. I hope i will be able to throw that old garbage-scripting away ;)
<IgorPec>
Wizzard: yes
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<Wizzard>
first I did not expect that Armbian can be founded in Slovenia
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<IgorPec>
haha, why not? Its a nice country.
<Wizzard>
it looked like worldfamous project
<Wizzard>
I know, it is close to mine
<IgorPec>
well, its multinational since early days i would say
<ArmbianTwitter>
@Innoscale_USA (Innoscale USA): @lanefu @fosshost1 Happy to be able to support Armbian and the open source community! (26s ago)
<Wizzard>
first I thought you are Croatian, sorry :)
<IgorPec>
keep in mind that project was not founded with some serious purpuse. I only wanted stable Debian for my home server
<Wizzard>
that is like a star is born :)
<lanefu>
Igor has a sweet talk about Armbian
<Wizzard>
I dont think there is better distro SBC-wide
<TRS-80>
lanefu: yeah, good story, I watched it too :)
<Wizzard>
are you getting also some real donations?
<IgorPec>
i would need to do a serious update. this is too old
<IgorPec>
yes, there is some support from the industry
<TRS-80>
In fact, the distributed development even in Linux itself was not even really possible before Internet came to prominence. Armbian (and so much F/LOSS) is all similar in that regard, a truly international software development, amazing really.
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<lanefu>
yah savory pies and probably desert too
<TRS-80>
Our favorite mom and pop Chinese place retired and sold their building. We used to get that a lot on Fridays. No one else can compare, we tried them all. :(
<lanefu>
thats a bummer. im pretty picky about Chinese
<TRS-80>
Everyone else pales in comparison. I think that might have been almost 2 years by now, but here I am still bitching about it.
<TRS-80>
That was our Friday routine for quite some time.
<TRS-80>
Those pies look great man, but I need to remain convinced that I want a sub. :)
<TRS-80>
Maybe I should wait for Tony, lol, but my little cheap Chinese knockoff HiFiBerry arrived today. :)
<lanefu>
yeah Tony has been in irc in a while
<lanefu>
definetly busy with some of his other projects.. he's part machine
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<TRS-80>
I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?
<TRS-80>
oops
<TRS-80>
s/I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?/you meant *hasn't* ?/
<ArmbianHelper>
Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<TRS-80>
>not escaping those globs
<TRS-80>
in the latest "only relatable to other nerds" news, I am getting to the point of writing successful regex in Emacs on the first go! :)
<TRS-80>
s/I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?/you meant *hasn't* ?
<ArmbianHelper>
Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<TRS-80>
s/I think I will order a you meant \*hasn't\* \?/you meant *hasn't* ?
<ArmbianHelper>
TRS-80 meant to say: you meant *hasn't* ?
<TRS-80>
AHA
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<nekomancer[m]>
I will try to set BOOTSIZE in build command line. If it will work — I'll add it to docs.
<nekomancer[m]>
there fun conversation, in bug #1318
<IgorPec>
there you have btrfs implementator
<IgorPec>
i recently upgreaded my storage to ZFS and i am not interesting in btrfs anymore
<lanefu>
lol really?
<IgorPec>
yes
<IgorPec>
i add a few drives and make a zraid2 pool + ssd cache
<lanefu>
yeah i guess ubuntu makes it easy now
<lanefu>
ooo nice
<IgorPec>
what ubuntu ? :) i use debian
<lanefu>
haha
<lanefu>
i like btrfs root with armbian
<lanefu>
better for containers
<lanefu>
and probably sdcards as well
<lanefu>
since its aware
<IgorPec>
sure. well, zfs has little advantages in this world
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<IgorPec>
it becomes interesting with large number of disks
<IgorPec>
it also has snapshots
<IgorPec>
which is a nice feature of btrfs
<IgorPec>
and compression
* nekomancer[m]
loves zfs asasolarisadmin
<IgorPec>
zfs rules, agree
<lanefu>
if I had not gone down the synology path, i'd probably use zfs
<nekomancer[m]>
do you run zfs on arm?
* nekomancer[m]
hopes to run zfs on Kobol64
<IgorPec>
not on arm
<IgorPec>
i guess ecc is must have
<IgorPec>
for paranoid mode :)
<nekomancer[m]>
ecc is must have always. not with zfs.
<IgorPec>
i don't have it on desktop
<IgorPec>
and ofc all thos arm boards ;)
<IgorPec>
except old helios
<nekomancer[m]>
I have one "server-under-table-on-PC-hardware". Nobody knows it is a server not dev test bench until it hangs. Then we discover it has broken ram for a time, long enough to make all user data on disk completely mixed into porridge. No ECC.
<IgorPec>
yeah, that's exactly what can happen on non ECC NAS
<IgorPec>
once you discover data is corrupted its also bad on backups
<nekomancer[m]>
sure
<IgorPec>
but zfs itself is doing scrubbing - if ram is bad ...
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* nekomancer[m]
found hardcoded /boot part of filename was added in patch/u-boot/u-boot-odroid/load-from-ext4.patch
<nekomancer[m]>
This increases the likelihood that the solution is to create a symlink "boot" rather than adding a variable $prefix.