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<ArmbianTwitter> @SPadhi92 (Saswat Padhi): @armbian @IloveRockchip Is it a new case for Nanopi R2S or has the board been improved? (8s ago)
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<Werner> Good morning
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<IgorPec> good morning
<IgorPec> new images are out, was fixing last thing into the nigh
<IgorPec> nith
<Werner> Just check torrent statistics
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<Werner> Armbian_20.05.2_Orangepi-rk3399_bullseye_current_5.4.43.img.xz might be broken, old version though
<IgorPec> torrent is tottally broken
<Werner> Why? It is loading fine
<IgorPec> torrent creation
<IgorPec> its not completed and it was 2am when i saw that
<Werner> Ah
<IgorPec> i have to look into the scripts what is wrong
<IgorPec> only some torrents are made
<Werner> I have about 80 torrents left to download. Others looking good so far
<IgorPec> they are good, but not complete AFAIK
<Werner> I see...
<IgorPec> not all files has them
<IgorPec> and links to torrents are possibly dead on some boards
<Werner> Hm since we have the support of fosshost now maybe torrent images could be neglected a bit? It is mostly used to download the toolchains anyways
<IgorPec> nah, i will not throw this away because of this minor problem
<Werner> Aight.
<IgorPec> its just the fact that in 2am and after working since 7am I can't really solve anything
<Werner> True
<IgorPec> also fosshosts are not yet in the pool since they are still synching
<Werner> dt collection for various kernel versions. nice
<Werner> Unfortunately as premade blob and not as source
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<IgorPec> they are trying to make it easy for exotic distros
<IgorPec> release pic :)
<Werner> xD
<Werner> Coffee'n'Shirt Edition
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): Armbian 20.08 Caple is out! Yet another hot summer massive @linuxfoundation engineering contributing. Supporting a wide range of @ARM @AmlogicPR @AllwinnerTech @IloveRockchip @MediaTek @nxp @marvellsemi devices. Check what's new: https://t.co/u7aqaNlRYs https://t.co/DZyDE62zod (13s ago)
<Werner> \o/
<IgorPec> yeah, that's it. now bugfix release ;)
<Werner> And please not let it have some initramfs bs like last time...
<Werner> IgorPec, Minor issue with the newsflash. The contributors link at the bottom links to the wrong timestamps. It shows from Feb to May
<IgorPec> fixed
<Werner> Confirmed
<ArmbianTwitter> @bigbrovar (Othell Yarwyck): The support pretty much every single board computer out there that is not a raspberry pi. I run it on my Amanda chipset powered 12TB NAS box. Ticks like a clock. For such a small team.. They do massive massive important work. @armbian (23s ago)
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<HerculeP> https://www.armbian.com/newsflash/armbian-20-08-caple/ hmm, 2nd line says "20.07.2020" shouldn't it be 20.08 ?
<PPA> To attach an eMMC module to an eMMC-less Orange Pi 4, would you need to solder it in place?
<Werner> HerculeP, I guess so. IgorPec?
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<IgorPec> Werner: fixed
<ArmbianTwitter> @ASketchin (Алексим Скетчин): @orangepixunlong @OPi_Community @Poddingue @linuxdevices @cnxsoft @armbian Orange pi pc2 with 2gb ram will be the best sbc (17s ago)
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<archetech> file '/var/log/syslog'[7] write error - see https://www.rsyslog.com/solving-rsyslog-write-errors/ for help OS error: No space left >
<archetech> Aug 21 16:05:08 odroidn2 rsyslogd[1769]: action 'action-1-builtin:omfile' (module 'builtin:omfile') message lost, could not be processed. Check for additional error message>
<archetech> just updated n2
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<archetech> seems arnbian hardware monitor is broke
<archetech> had to disable ^ and rsyslogd /var/log/journal filling up
<archetech> agetty[2401]: /dev/ttyS0: not a tty
<archetech> Aug 21 17:06:10 odroidn2 systemd[1]: Started Serial Getty on ttyS0.
<archetech> Aug 21 17:06:10 odroidn2 systemd[1]: Stopped Serial Getty on ttyS0.
<archetech> Aug 21 17:06:10 odroidn2 systemd[1]: serial-getty@ttyS0.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 121.
<archetech> Aug 21 17:06:09 odroidn2 systemd[1]: serial-getty@ttyS0.service: Succeeded.
<archetech> journal spaming
<archetech> systemctl stop serial-getty@ttyS0.service
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<nekomancer[m]> can anybody to add a tag to own post on armbian forum? I see a throbber running forewer.
<lanefu> don't quite understand what you're saying
<nekomancer[m]> ArmbianTwitter: help
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: you can do this
<lanefu> ..in your native language
<lanefu> .. translate
<lanefu> lol ithink ArmbianHelper is asleep
<lanefu> Werner: can you check on the translate if you have a chance
<Werner> Will do
<TRS-80> excuse me, I speak jive
<nekomancer[m]> <lanefu "don't quite understand what you'"> I have post on armbian forum done myself. There are button "add tag". I try to add tag, click button, got a popup with "add tag". then "choose" — and nothing to choose, no place to rnter, just throbber spins
<Werner> .. was auch immer
<ArmbianHelper> What ever [de~>eng]
<Werner> fixed
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: been a while, but IIRC there are no tags pre-populated (I could be wrong)?
<TRS-80> and perhaps the "controlled vocabulary" was wiped at some point (could be wrong about that too)
<lanefu> i enabled wild-west tagging on most of the subforums
<lanefu> but its still wonky
<lanefu> also TRS-80 welcome back and solid Airplane! reference
<TRS-80> Cheers! lanefu :)
<TRS-80> and Happy Friday, everyone! :)
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<nekomancer[m]> <TRS-80 "nekomancer: been a while, but II"> so, it's not a reason to go to refresh forewer
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: yeah, you did say that, too
<TRS-80> probably right
* archetech could use some confirmation by a user with an N2(+) and bullseye for above issues
<TRS-80> I have trouble diagnosing stuff like that because I block everything by default and then only whitelist the minimum needed to get any particular site to work, and even then only sites I give a crap about (like Armbian)
* TRS-80 is amazed at the castles of JacaScript on the "modern web"
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<Wizzard> hello
<lanefu> howdy
<Werner> sup
<Wizzard> hi, Werner
<TRS-80> a wizard! :)
<TRS-80> what is it, Saturday morning right now in vampire land?
<Werner> hey rarely visitor :D
<Wizzard> I wanted to try that OPI PC test build, but my wife wants to print something today, so I cannot :)
<TRS-80> IgorPec around?
<TRS-80> Ohai Werner! :)
<IgorPec> hey, i am around but brain not. was sleeping
<TRS-80> Probably Werner or lanefu knows; last time I was in here (maybe month ago) IgorPec was saying something about losing some infrastructure over the summer?
<TRS-80> Hey good morning IgorPec! :)
<IgorPec> yes, we mitigated that
<IgorPec> thanks :)
<IgorPec> we got some servers ? :)
<TRS-80> OK great to hear. Sorry took me a month to get back. I don't have a lot of time lately but was thinking about upping my small monthly to a slightly larger (but still small) monthly.
<TRS-80> (becaue I am still not working yet)
<IgorPec> np
<TRS-80> Well, in the normal sense I mean, getting income. I am working on lots of personal projects, before I have to get back out there again and be gone all the time.
<IgorPec> ah, don't worry about
<TRS-80> But if you guys are OK for the time being, maybe I will just hold off until I am working again.
<TRS-80> OK IgorPec. If something changes please email me or whatever. Project is very important and I want it to continue.
<TRS-80> Free Software does not mean free as in beer. :)
<IgorPec> if you can help wiht something, just do it
<TRS-80> I will ASAP.
<nekomancer[m]> I see `BTRFS_COMPRESSION` option in https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Options/, but see no one occurance in /lib or */*.
<nekomancer[m]> Nani?
<nekomancer[m]> seems it not used at all?
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: would only apply to with ROOTFS_TYPE=btrfs
<lanefu> ..nani
<ArmbianHelper> nani [ja~>eng]
<lanefu> and probably just during the filesystem creation
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: oh! i see what you're saying now
<nekomancer[m]> And there different hardcoded values.
<nekomancer[m]> "nani" means something like "what?!!"
<Wizzard> thanks, Werner!
<Wizzard> did not expect so fast reply
<Werner> Happens when you get in touch with a fellow that has nothing else to do :P
<Wizzard> :)
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: I think compression type should be used during fs creation, but not in mount line in fstab.
<ArmbianTwitter> @i_in_dev (Aien 🌱): Armbian – Linux for ARM development boards (TV boxes, ARM netbooks etc.) https://t.co/zEpXlPQCJc (6s ago)
<nekomancer[m]> f2fs can't work with default mount option too: `F2FS-fs (mmcblk1p2): Unrecognized mount option "data=writeback" or missing value`
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<Wizzard> seems like it stops on generating locales
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<IgorPec> that takes some time
<IgorPec> on which hw?
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<Wizzard> btw, is there absolutely no way to bring back analog out support for old devices?
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<IgorPec> anything is possible, but with what?
<Wizzard> like BPI for example
<IgorPec> i know what you want. I am just asking out loud "with what"
<Wizzard> I think I dont understand that phrase :)
<IgorPec> who should research, developod and maintain this feature ... while community produce wishes for several millions
<Wizzard> I understand
<IgorPec> we pay for entire R&D with out own time. which is already tottally out. i work 5-10-16 hours every day on this project
<IgorPec> and should step back a little, not do more and more
<Wizzard> that is hard
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: both :)
<IgorPec> development is hard, yeah
<Wizzard> it is great project
<IgorPec> its just too expensive
<Wizzard> it is non profil project, so how do you find the time for living and working for money?
<IgorPec> non profit means we don't make profit ;) and we all have full time jobs
<Wizzard> this is what I ask, how can you find the time for full time job and also Armbian
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<IgorPec> that is sometimes very difficult
<IgorPec> i guess job and family is pays a big price
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<Wizzard> is there a lot of people asking for help? I guess so
<IgorPec> yes. but i can't help them. its far far over our capacity
<Wizzard> anyway, they must know and understand that it is not possible to have the solution for every problem
<lanefu> yeah the ratio "make my cheap SBC work" people to "let me help you all make this SBC work" is pretty skewed
<IgorPec> the case is they don't understand :(
* nekomancer[m] open a bug to propose PR when it will be tested.
<Wizzard> well, their problem :)
<IgorPec> we waste a lot of time
<IgorPec> my problem
<IgorPec> answering people, teach them and reasoning is severe waste of time
<Wizzard> I guess you do the best and also need some
<Wizzard> time
<IgorPec> and something i have no intention to donate
<IgorPec> people really have extreme expecations
<IgorPec> like "i want to have few camera support on this and that hardware. I might make a donations"
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<IgorPec> and reality is that below 10.000 USD nobody will even pick it up
<Wizzard> but it is written clear. it is like it is and you dont need to answer everything
<IgorPec> some people expect and dare to demand support, a few % of people are simply morons
<IgorPec> and they are making big damage, contributing ofc nothing
<lanefu> yeah i wish it was easier to filter for the more advanced users asking for help than all the noise created by the newbs
<IgorPec> expect resolution in few days for a project which needs months to complete. Its not possible do else then ignore
<[TheBug]> there is an easy way, but most people don't like it ;)
<[TheBug]> Put you money where your mouth is
<IgorPec> and expect that we will work months for their wish 100% on our expense on top of this
<[TheBug]> put that 500$ donation first, then we talk
<IgorPec> yeah, so far perhaps two people actually did that :)
<[TheBug]> if you really need that thing to work
<[TheBug]> then you will pay it cause obviously no one else just gonna help you
<IgorPec> but from 2 x 500% one can cover years :)
<[TheBug]> if you have the money.. then time is easier to be made
<IgorPec> yeah. i can ask around for help perhaps
<[TheBug]> I am not saying don't help anyone
<[TheBug]> I am just saying anyone who is lippy or expects it now
<IgorPec> even that solo is a great value. that its possible to help
<[TheBug]> say sure, when I see $500 donation
<[TheBug]> I will give you then 2 hours of time
<[TheBug]> and thats at a discount
<IgorPec> yeah, but most people expects free service, so we close quickly ;)
<Wizzard> do you regret some titme that you started this project?
<IgorPec> not really, its still fun, when morons are not active ;)
<TRS-80> Lord bless you guys, I am so grateful for all you do. Some times I really worry that Igor will have enough one day and quit.
<[TheBug]> whats to regret? Only regret is if you can't find your own use for it, then it would be a waste.. but reason we all do it is because we also benefit
<TRS-80> And then none of us will have nice things.
<[TheBug]> we all use it on our devices
<IgorPec> TRS. its not just me, don't worry about
<[TheBug]> If only people worried as much about H3Droid, IgorPec you seem to to have a lot of fans :D
<[TheBug]> lol
<Wizzard> yes, even the newbies learn a lot using it and asking
<[TheBug]> yeah thats the other reason
<[TheBug]> gives a way to teach and help those who do care to take the time to learn
<IgorPec> yeah. probleamtic is that lots of people expect too higher service and don't see the work that is needed behind
<[TheBug]> inspiration is what keeps things like Armbian going
<TRS-80> I had business for 20 years before, before that I take 60 credit hours advanced level school, on top of working 14 hour shift every Saturday and running my business in addition to, this is why I burn out and I just cannot dedicate that kind of time, effort, energy any longer. That is why I also see the signs, because I was there before, too...
<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): Excited for release... and our new download infrastructure! https://t.co/JV7HnJ7ZfG (24s ago)
<lanefu> [TheBug]: hows traffic
<IgorPec> TRS-80: been there too
<Wizzard> I think that sunxi devices are the biggest problem, am I right?
<TRS-80> I throw in my paltry sum every month as a small token of appreciation, but it is not enough, I know. I feel guilty not contributing more (mostly time and effort) because I know what you guys are doing.
<IgorPec> wizzard: it depends for the purpose / function
<IgorPec> TRS-80: man we should find you a proper job at armbian?
<Wizzard> I see it on my devices, Allwinner seems to be hard to write a software for
<Wizzard> all those BPI and OPI
<IgorPec> wizzard: idk, but its quite well supported. multimedia features are a bit behind, but its possible to bring them up with enough resources
<Wizzard> they are just cheap, so people like me are buying it and try to run something on that. at least we learn a lot
<IgorPec> yeah, they are the right tool for such thing
<TRS-80> IgorPec: I would love to, and I should, but I have to wrap up on projects and get back to work, unfortunately. :( Couple more years when I buy my land in the country, then I don't need to work so much and I can contribute more (especially valuable time and effort).
<IgorPec> TRS-80: fair enough.
<Wizzard> Igor, you are the founder?
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<IgorPec> lanefu: i re-made the torrent creating script. I hope i will be able to throw that old garbage-scripting away ;)
<IgorPec> Wizzard: yes
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<Wizzard> first I did not expect that Armbian can be founded in Slovenia
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<IgorPec> haha, why not? Its a nice country.
<Wizzard> it looked like worldfamous project
<Wizzard> I know, it is close to mine
<IgorPec> well, its multinational since early days i would say
<ArmbianTwitter> @Innoscale_USA (Innoscale USA): @lanefu @fosshost1 Happy to be able to support Armbian and the open source community! (26s ago)
<Wizzard> first I thought you are Croatian, sorry :)
<IgorPec> keep in mind that project was not founded with some serious purpuse. I only wanted stable Debian for my home server
<Wizzard> that is like a star is born :)
<lanefu> Igor has a sweet talk about Armbian
<Wizzard> I dont think there is better distro SBC-wide
<TRS-80> lanefu: yeah, good story, I watched it too :)
<Wizzard> are you getting also some real donations?
<IgorPec> i would need to do a serious update. this is too old
<IgorPec> yes, there is some support from the industry
<TRS-80> In fact, the distributed development even in Linux itself was not even really possible before Internet came to prominence. Armbian (and so much F/LOSS) is all similar in that regard, a truly international software development, amazing really.
<IgorPec> from those only - hardware and some cash https://github.com/armbian/build#sponsors
<Wizzard> btw, I was searching for some Facebook/Discord/Telegram channel, just found IRC :)
<IgorPec> and ofc from end-users
<TRS-80> o/
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<TRS-80> :)
<IgorPec> irc is the thing, still. after 25+y :)
<TRS-80> Thank God
<IgorPec> thanks to Werner for keeping it up
<Wizzard> yeah, just found Discord is very popular now
<TRS-80> you will not see me on Discord nor any other new crap
<TRS-80> get off my lawn
<IgorPec> f** the popularity. we need a channel to chat
<TRS-80> from comfort of Emacs or terminal :)
<IgorPec> and irc have no excessive garbage
<TRS-80> I don't want to install some huge bloated goddamn "app"
<Wizzard> I was surprised someone did not create a facebook group for users
<IgorPec> why?
<Wizzard> there is fb group for everything but Armbian
<TRS-80> if everyone jump off a cliff, will you do it, too? :)
<IgorPec> yeah, even twitter is on the far end
<TRS-80> something something argumentum ad populum
<Wizzard> just think that it is not bad, there is a lot of users that would help
<Wizzard> not necessary the creators or founders
<IgorPec> roll back a bit on my concerns
<Wizzard> there is a lot of Linux groups
<TRS-80> Wizzard, you are free to promote anywhere, I suppose it can only help awareness of the project.
<Wizzard> may I create that? :)
<Wizzard> you dont need to be in there
<lanefu> there's a lot of SBC brand specific FB groups
<TRS-80> Just remember, Facebook is proprietary software and network
<Wizzard> yeah
<TRS-80> I don't even have an account, and never will.
<lanefu> so usually armbian comes up some in those groups
<Wizzard> sometimes I found an answer to Linux specific question fastter on FB than on some forum
<TRS-80> Wizzard: But what is more important? Convenience? Or Freedom?
<Wizzard> convenience :)
<TRS-80> It is easy to find convenience nowadays. Freedom not so much.
<IgorPec> this type of people i usually don't answer
<Wizzard> what is wrong on proprietary FB?
<IgorPec> if you trade my time for conviniance, you loose ;)
<TRS-80> huzzah! :)
<Wizzard> a lot of Linux users have no problem with FB :)
<IgorPec> if i see a question can be easily answered with search and you send me a private message, i could block aceess the site
<IgorPec> cheap answers are easy to find
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<TRS-80> Wizzard: Are you familar with Debian Free Software Guidelines? Free Software philosophy in general?
<Wizzard> not talking about cheap answers
<IgorPec> and for those to answer you usually don't need much energy
<IgorPec> cheap answer is something once can answer without thinking
<Wizzard> TRS-80: have not read it
<IgorPec> like: do you recommend Rpi for NAS. Answer: no
<IgorPec> wizzard: expensive answer atm. how to make Odroid n2 stagbe :)
<Wizzard> low battery on my Pinebook Pro :)
<Wizzard> afk
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<lanefu> TRS-80: scared him off
<TRS-80> thought had crossed my mind
<lanefu> knocks on doors to tell people about Free Software
<IgorPec> BTW, anyone tried latest Armbian on PBPRO?
<TRS-80> I'll just go back to eating my own boogers and writing compilers
<IgorPec> who mentioned eating?
* IgorPec forgot to eat ... brb
<lanefu> lol
<TRS-80> not exactly what I said, but OK :D
<lanefu> empty calories
* lanefu still resisting PBPRO...barely
<TRS-80> Mrs. bringing home some subs soon, yay
<IgorPec> pinebook pro
<TRS-80> aah ok
* lanefu having this for dinner https://www.yelp.com/biz/proper-pie-richmond
<TRS-80> Like, pot pie? Or desert pie?
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<lanefu> yah savory pies and probably desert too
<TRS-80> Our favorite mom and pop Chinese place retired and sold their building. We used to get that a lot on Fridays. No one else can compare, we tried them all. :(
<lanefu> thats a bummer. im pretty picky about Chinese
<TRS-80> Everyone else pales in comparison. I think that might have been almost 2 years by now, but here I am still bitching about it.
<TRS-80> That was our Friday routine for quite some time.
<TRS-80> Those pies look great man, but I need to remain convinced that I want a sub. :)
<TRS-80> Maybe I should wait for Tony, lol, but my little cheap Chinese knockoff HiFiBerry arrived today. :)
<lanefu> yeah Tony has been in irc in a while
<lanefu> definetly busy with some of his other projects.. he's part machine
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<TRS-80> I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?
<TRS-80> oops
<TRS-80> s/I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?/you meant *hasn't* ?/
<ArmbianHelper> Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<TRS-80> >not escaping those globs
<TRS-80> in the latest "only relatable to other nerds" news, I am getting to the point of writing successful regex in Emacs on the first go! :)
<TRS-80> s/I think I will order a you meant *hasn't* ?/you meant *hasn't* ?
<ArmbianHelper> Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<TRS-80> s/I think I will order a you meant \*hasn't\* \?/you meant *hasn't* ?
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: you meant *hasn't* ?
<TRS-80> AHA
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<nekomancer[m]> IgorPec: https://github.com/armbian/build/issues/2155 it's me
<IgorPec> no idea what's the problem and have no time to look into it
<IgorPec> don't remember when i was building btrfs image last time
<IgorPec> and i didn't even develop this part. i know the same as you
<nekomancer[m]> I look into git history of this file already. only you there :(
<IgorPec> because we did a bad cut once
<IgorPec> even i am the author ... i can't provide support just like that
<IgorPec> i don't know how to fix git history
<IgorPec> actually its alright here
<nekomancer[m]> i found related to another question... DEFAULT_BOOTSIZE=96# MiB
<nekomancer[m]> it's fit to one set, but there not enough space to run update
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<IgorPec> then make it bigger
<IgorPec> this used to be enough in the old days i guess
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: theres a few places that number has to match fyi
<nekomancer[m]> I will try to set BOOTSIZE in build command line. If it will work — I'll add it to docs.
<nekomancer[m]> there fun conversation, in bug #1318
<IgorPec> there you have btrfs implementator
<IgorPec> i recently upgreaded my storage to ZFS and i am not interesting in btrfs anymore
<lanefu> lol really?
<IgorPec> yes
<IgorPec> i add a few drives and make a zraid2 pool + ssd cache
<lanefu> yeah i guess ubuntu makes it easy now
<lanefu> ooo nice
<IgorPec> what ubuntu ? :) i use debian
<lanefu> haha
<lanefu> i like btrfs root with armbian
<lanefu> better for containers
<lanefu> and probably sdcards as well
<lanefu> since its aware
<IgorPec> sure. well, zfs has little advantages in this world
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<IgorPec> it becomes interesting with large number of disks
<IgorPec> it also has snapshots
<IgorPec> which is a nice feature of btrfs
<IgorPec> and compression
* nekomancer[m] loves zfs asasolarisadmin
<IgorPec> zfs rules, agree
<lanefu> if I had not gone down the synology path, i'd probably use zfs
<nekomancer[m]> do you run zfs on arm?
* nekomancer[m] hopes to run zfs on Kobol64
<IgorPec> not on arm
<IgorPec> i guess ecc is must have
<IgorPec> for paranoid mode :)
<nekomancer[m]> ecc is must have always. not with zfs.
<IgorPec> i don't have it on desktop
<IgorPec> and ofc all thos arm boards ;)
<IgorPec> except old helios
<nekomancer[m]> I have one "server-under-table-on-PC-hardware". Nobody knows it is a server not dev test bench until it hangs. Then we discover it has broken ram for a time, long enough to make all user data on disk completely mixed into porridge. No ECC.
<IgorPec> yeah, that's exactly what can happen on non ECC NAS
<IgorPec> once you discover data is corrupted its also bad on backups
<nekomancer[m]> sure
<IgorPec> but zfs itself is doing scrubbing - if ram is bad ...
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* nekomancer[m] found hardcoded /boot part of filename was added in patch/u-boot/u-boot-odroid/load-from-ext4.patch
<nekomancer[m]> This increases the likelihood that the solution is to create a symlink "boot" rather than adding a variable $prefix.
<lanefu> ahhh!
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<nekomancer[m]> I wrote it.
<[TheBug]> lanefu: sorry, I will check in a few, busy AF today :/
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: hahhaah
<lanefu> sorry
<nekomancer[m]> :)
* nekomancer[m] everywhere
<[TheBug]> [18:00] <IgorPec> what ubuntu ? :) i use debian -- Debian thx!