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<lanefu>
archetech: back on the N2 as a desktop running bullseye
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<MarcoFrost>
hello
<MarcoFrost>
how does i stop my device from changing the mac each time it booties?
<MarcoFrost>
anyone?
<MarcoFrost>
n e l ?
<MarcoFrost>
hello.
<MarcoFrost>
agrisis do you know
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<[TheBug]>
Anyone have an RockPi 4c and managed to get Mini-DP working?
<[TheBug]>
I have tried a couple adapters now without success
<[TheBug]>
including an active adapter
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<Tonymac32>
I've only seen mini-DP working on the Tinker Edge R using the Rockchip kernel
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<BenZucker[m]>
<Manouchehri "this is the difference between t"> Dafuq? Throw away that power supply asap
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<IgorPec>
which is preparing build system ... if you can start from the actual image to build up a destkop, namely we want to start with kde plasma and gnome4
<IgorPec>
3
<IgorPec>
that would help a lot. armbian-config way is a way to make it simpler, apt install , user creation (if not exisint) ... such things are the same for all desktops
<rneese>
yeah I was looking at the armbian-config on basic img and having ti install configure x and the desktop . but being able to select a build is also nice
<rneese>
so I see bth sides
<IgorPec>
yeah, on the build side we are looking to build a package which contains package relations, blobs like wallpaper and config adustements
<IgorPec>
making a package selection is one task, then see what need adjustements, special attenetion ...
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<rneese>
ok
<IgorPec>
since currently we don't have any armbian-gnome3 package, this can be done with armbian-config ... and when we are ready with build system, this is replace with a single package. That's the idea
<rneese>
ok
<rneese>
so your not just using the default arm64 built pkgs
<IgorPec>
btw. you got access to jira so you can add comment there? myy is lead of this part so he should be most up2date
<rneese>
ok
<IgorPec>
we are using default packages, just meta package is ours
<rneese>
ok
<IgorPec>
like current armbian-bionic-desktop
<IgorPec>
and probably there will be some that we will build and maintain extra
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<rneese>
ok
<rneese>
ok I will read over all this and pick it up
<rneese>
as I just loaded a base load but want to install the deepin so I have to work on it
<rneese>
thanks for time
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<IgorPec>
u welcome
<Manouchehri>
what's really the max safe temp I can leave my pine64 at?
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<Ntemis>
70c
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<Manouchehri>
Ntemis: Is that at the point where damage will happen?
<Ntemis>
> 70c
<IgorPec>
if you use armbian, board will be powered off in case of going over
<IgorPec>
critical temp
<Manouchehri>
ah okay, I'll try running a stress test and see what happens
<IgorPec>
you should get there
<IgorPec>
since throttling kicks in
<Manouchehri>
*shouldn't?
<IgorPec>
that is failsafe feature
<Manouchehri>
or should
<IgorPec>
should not :) sorry
<IgorPec>
a64 cpu is very old and well supported
<Manouchehri>
question, if I plug in a phone without a hub, will the USB power draw cause the system to be unstable, or will it only give as much power as it actually can do safely?
<Manouchehri>
at 69C :P
<Manouchehri>
IgorPec: just hit 71.6C
<Manouchehri>
72.6C..
<Manouchehri>
you sure you didn't mean 80C lol?
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<IgorPec>
check A64 white papers
<IgorPec>
i don't recall what is top temp for this particular chip
<IgorPec>
H3 for example, can operate up to 100
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<emOne>
I didn't realise overheating was an issue
<emOne>
Some people put holes into their boxes heh
<IgorPec>
nothing different than in x86 world
<emOne>
In x86 world you need huge fans with big heatsinks
<IgorPec>
actually here this is much less problematic
<IgorPec>
but you have high performace chips which needs cooling and those that doesn't need anything
<emOne>
There were times when you needed smaller fans on x86 cpus
<IgorPec>
30y ago ?:)
<emOne>
But now even the stock Intel and AMD fans are pretty huge
<emOne>
Not so long ago hehe
<emOne>
AMD uses cooler master Fans
<IgorPec>
stock cooler are crap
<IgorPec>
for normal operations, they are enough ofc
<emOne>
Yes and people put fans that take up the whole width of the case just to keep the system relatively cool
<emOne>
With arm cpus it is not so crazy
<IgorPec>
i have a huge case and coolers are probably just 2mm from the edge
<emOne>
Oh wow
<IgorPec>
huge cooler = less noise
<emOne>
Yea
<emOne>
Is it nice and silent?
<emOne>
Have you heard about the coil whine mod that some people use?
<emOne>
Unless ofc your customs are corrupt and the give special favours to some companies
<emOne>
And to some they don't give those protections
<IgorPec>
they don't do that
<IgorPec>
for companies its ok
<IgorPec>
only end user have to pay
<IgorPec>
if company is end user it has to pay ofc
<emOne>
Do the companies deduct the taxes?
<IgorPec>
yes
<emOne>
So they pay the taxes still
<IgorPec>
it depends
<emOne>
But pay less taxes at the end of the year
<IgorPec>
companies have more space to manipulate then a person
<IgorPec>
he has no choice, he has to pay
<IgorPec>
which brings us back. end users have troubles ordering anything but rpi
<emOne>
Odroid is south Korean?
<IgorPec>
rpi = 35 + delivery anywhere in EU
<IgorPec>
yes
<emOne>
They make really nice boards but they're pricey too
<IgorPec>
you can't be better and cheaper then rpi at the same time
<emOne>
True
<emOne>
Do you know who doesn't have to pay any taxes?
<emOne>
Drug dealers :D
<IgorPec>
yeah, i watch "Drugs inc" yesterday on NatGeo
<emOne>
The shady guy in a very dark corner told me that this is a fact
<emOne>
But this is how Al Capone got caught actually
<IgorPec>
he said, i earn 30.000 USD per year with my legit work
<IgorPec>
and 1.2 mio with selling drugs
<emOne>
Yes but it is too risky
<IgorPec>
ofc
<emOne>
You are from Holland right?
<IgorPec>
nope, slovenia
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<emOne>
Ahh what a shame
<IgorPec>
our druglords are small :)
<emOne>
The Dutch have legal cannabis
<emOne>
And no hard borders in the EU
<IgorPec>
yeah, it was popular to go there .. back in the day
<IgorPec>
days
<emOne>
But now people are just selling sbcs on the street corners
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* emOne
whispers. Hey would you like to get an sbc.. But shhh quiet
<emOne>
I remember in Spain there were sellers from Africa
<emOne>
Maybe 20 years ago
<emOne>
They had these tables that they were wearing on the body
<emOne>
They were selling belts, purses, sunglasses, sports shoes and other stuff
<emOne>
All fake
<emOne>
Instead of Adidas you could buy adibas
<IgorPec>
yeah, i have seen that in italy but not around here
<IgorPec>
but like 10y ago
<emOne>
When the policr came they would quickly run
<IgorPec>
sure, its 100% mobile shop
<emOne>
But I always wondered why they would change the spelling of the brands
<IgorPec>
because that goes trought customs
<emOne>
If they would get caught I am sure they would get punished anyway
<emOne>
Oh
<IgorPec>
yep
<[TheBug]>
Also because it's a second count of infringement to use their registered symbols / marks
<[TheBug]>
just making a knock off is one thing
<[TheBug]>
you try to sell it as the original thats another
<IgorPec>
adidas fakes are burned, adibas is something else, genuine chines brand perhaps :)
<emOne>
I am sure customs don't care if it is a fake Adidas or a fake Adidas that is spelled Adibas
<emOne>
Unless customs are corrupt
<IgorPec>
corruption is embedded into the system
<IgorPec>
customs is just carriong out the law
<IgorPec>
they are destroying fakes, while adibas is not fake
<emOne>
But if I make an iPhone that looks exactly like an iPhone
<emOne>
But I will change the brand to a pear instead of an apple
<[TheBug]>
The person selling the mislabled knock-off will have less counts against them than the one trying to sell the one with legit logos and marks as well the company it's self if it choose cane decide to sue you in civil court for damages to their brand
<[TheBug]>
everything has levels to it and different consquences
<IgorPec>
bug the lawyer :)
<emOne>
They would still win even if it is spelled Adibas but the design of the shoe is exactly the same
<[TheBug]>
armchair lawyer
<[TheBug]>
"arm"chair lawywer
<[TheBug]>
har har
<emOne>
Hahhahshahsh
<emOne>
Loplolpollol
<emOne>
That's a good one
<IgorPec>
hehe, yeah. but customs is not that precise
<emOne>
It is 100% corruption
<emOne>
I guarantee it
<IgorPec>
they are just officials which are trying not to break the law. they should - at least in theory - not pick sides
<IgorPec>
western society has corruption in the hearth of the system
<IgorPec>
especially US, EU not that much yet
<emOne>
The customs decided together with these sellers from Africa that they will leave them alone for money... The weirdly spelled brands are an alibi for the customs
<emOne>
Not the sellers
<IgorPec>
no, those just got lucky
<IgorPec>
there are tons of such merchendize comming
<IgorPec>
and their earning could be much much bigger then selling the original
<[TheBug]>
either that or something is tyrying to initialize the device before that happens
<IgorPec>
nothing is suspicious
<[TheBug]>
like lvm
<[TheBug]>
or
<[TheBug]>
mdadm
<[TheBug]>
or
<IgorPec>
i suspect qemu
<emOne>
A glitch in the matrix
<IgorPec>
why would lvm or mdamd have anything here?
<[TheBug]>
well in your case probably shouldn't but mdadm and lvm can be part of the bring up in initramfs
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-425 [Bug] "Resize message doesn't disappear even file system is already expanded" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-09-10. Status: To Do
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-425 [Bug] "Resize message doesn't disappear even file system is already expanded" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-09-10. Status: To Do
<[TheBug]>
weird probably semi unrelated example
<[TheBug]>
if you ever have a drive you pulled from a raid that still had the mdadm raid information on it
<IgorPec>
it happens everywhere
<[TheBug]>
you will end up with a populated md device with 1 drive
<IgorPec>
i know, but here we create new device
<[TheBug]>
and it would then consider the drive 'in use'
<[TheBug]>
hmm
<[TheBug]>
maybe partprobe before making the changes?
<[TheBug]>
I honestly don't know what the code looks like so am spit balling
<emOne>
How much is a Slovenian prepaid sim card with Internet?
<emOne>
You know they have free roaming in Europe now
<IgorPec>
no idea, probably between5 - 10 EUR
<emOne>
Sorry off topic. Let's chat about that later
<IgorPec>
no
<emOne>
:(
<IgorPec>
no problem :)
<emOne>
:)
<emOne>
What are you trying to do?
<emOne>
Why are you getting the error?
<IgorPec>
why we don't know
<[TheBug]>
IgorPec
<[TheBug]>
er
<[TheBug]>
wait
<IgorPec>
what?
<[TheBug]>
ohh I just learned something new and am reviewing that error is all
<[TheBug]>
was gonna ask a question but answered it, sorry
<IgorPec>
no. i am also doing one experiment which might tell me something
<[TheBug]>
parted /dev/sdb mkpart primary ext3 1 100% -- i didn't realize you could use parted like this to elevate a partition, I always use loop devices