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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: how did you get 5.8.9 to check out
<lanefu> whwere is there a branch or tag iwth it
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<rneese_> well I am still reviewing the basic ubuntudde iso to see at they install on a basic install
<rneese_> it might fix all the issues
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: KERNELBRANCH='tag:v5.8.9' in lib.config
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<nekomancer[m]> I build no-desktop image, it boots on pbp. then I install desktop via armbian-cobfig and got auto-login xfce desktop. There are firefox, I enter youtube, see video, but no sound.
<nekomancer[m]> and no brightness or sound regulated via Fn key
<nekomancer[m]> now I comment out KERNELBRANCH and do build with desktop=yes
<rneese_> i think the new desktop should be the dde
<rneese_> once we figure out the correct install
<nekomancer[m]> everyone prefer own desktop
* nekomancer[m] prfers cinnamon or kde
<rneese_> xfce is just gettingold and outdated
<rneese_> have you looked at the new dde / deepin desktop ?
<rneese_> there is work also to allow you to select what desktop to install in the build src
<rneese_> so far its rnome3 xfce and kde
<rneese_> and I am working to get dde into it also
<rneese_> and I think they will add lxde also
<nekomancer[m]> I think desktop env is not a task for armbian
<nekomancer[m]> It's for DE developers, and for ubuntu-debian packagers
<rneese_> there is a group working on it now,,, not much more you can do to the base install other then updating the device tree's for each board
<rneese_> a;ll the work IgorPec has put in to build the build system is great
<rneese_> but he even says the desktop section has needed work
<rneese_> building each desktop to work correctly is a big thing
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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: yeah that made a bad checkout for me
<nekomancer[m]> I did successful build with main armbian repo. now I running build with your branch
<rneese_> thats the desktop video
<nekomancer[m]> but it takes a time
<nekomancer[m]> seems DDE for people who things gnome and ubuntu default desktops are too complicated
<rneese_> dde is a clean start for desktop and it uses qt so its going to grow . but I am working to get the install on arm working ,, seems some pkgs have not been ported to arm64 yet so we will see
<lanefu> rneese_: you'll be a hero
<nekomancer[m]> rneese_: you are the men!
<rneese_> I was looking at the manjaro build but its been added alot of stuff
<rneese_> I have it working
<rneese_> but 1 issue still stands the logout/ppower off/suspend/shutdown function is not working other wise its good to go as a desktop
<lanefu> rneese_: could be worse... what device are you testing on
<rneese_> nanopct4 4 gig
<rneese_> with a 128 gig nvme ssd
<rneese_> its what I am on right now
<rneese_> fine tuning
<rneese_> but I have to dl and revie the iso fron ubuntu as a base install
<rneese_> to see what I missed
<rneese_> afteer my manjaro dde usb drive is done updating
<rneese_> I do kinda wish we had a arm64 build of arch/manjaro linux
<rneese_> for the boards
<rneese_> I like it but as for now ubuntu on the arm64 units seems to be the bst
<rneese_> armbian fits it well
<nekomancer[m]> will desktop work subjective faster with nvme in comparison with emmc? not sure. Maybe, nvme for current arm performance — better only for IO benchmarks?
<rneese_> the nvme is faster performance but emmc should work fine . just limited space on the unit I have
<rneese_> its only a 16g emmc on the board
<lanefu> okay my branch should build if you pull master on top of it, and add EXTRAWIFI=no
<R0b0t1``> nvme should be appreciably faster
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<rneese_> well as this is my firt test runn I am fixing as I go and once I get it right I will post
<rneese_> and get it into the github for a test build
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<rneese_> ok I fixed the issue with the login and ou t
<rneese_> apt install dde-session-ui
<rneese_> fixed it
<rneese_> so now the login and out and reboot works
<rneese_> so thats the fix they changed a pkg
<rneese_> so I can now setup the basic gui and get a build on ssd tomorrow
<rneese_> then we know it will work
<rneese_> brbreboot
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<rneese> it worked
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<rneese> so tomorrow I will boot a fresh sd and run a test build
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<rneese> IgorPec, its fixed and working
<rneese> the login /out works
<rneese> next is to make it work with nodm wich i know is the default
<lanefu> bwaaah my desktop switch is connecting at 100mbit again :-||||||
<rneese> man updating this manjaro on usb3 usb drive is slow but its getting alot of pkgs
<lanefu> ha
<lanefu> i'm dding from NFS to usb3, but stupid 100mbit kiling me
<rneese> like almost 1900 updates
<lanefu> yoinks
<lanefu> thats a lot
<rneese> hoping they put out a updated iso soon to test with I like the manjaro dde it has steam and whinehq installed so I can put in my windows apps I need and wipe the ssd and load linux on the laptop and be done
<rneese> its arch based yes but more updated pkgs then what ubuntu has .
<rneese> I can move to the dev branches I know but grrr
<rneese> sorry but I am happy to find the 1 fix was easy
<rneese> but now I have to fix gitkraken
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<lanefu> LOL well.. uhmm pbp needs xtrawifi to build
<lanefu> i mean to do wifi
<rneese> gitkraken is the github/git gui interface for linux I find the best
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: your repo builds too. at least kernel compilation finished, image apt install still goung
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: i just tried the image.. firmware like didnt install right or something
<lanefu> :(
<nekomancer[m]> after lib/compilation-prepare.sh fix
<nekomancer[m]> how can I check my image for that?
<rneese> ok gguys bed time work tomorrow at the animal shelter
<nekomancer[m]> maybe, my too?
<rneese> chat ltr
<nekomancer[m]> rneese: have good sleep!
<lanefu> rneese: have good evening
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: the prepare fix just fixes the bootlogo error
<lanefu> anyway try the image let me know if /lib/firmware is full
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<nekomancer[m]> do you mean "are there any files"?
<lanefu> do you see folders like /lib/firwmare/brcm and /lib/firmware/rockchip
<nekomancer[m]> I still not have completed image. It's running.
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<Tonymac32> lanefu do you want the tracking number for the bag-o-screwdrivers?
<lanefu> Tonymac32: sure
<lanefu> lol
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Tonymac32> I'm just laughing that I have 10 of these little cheap clear-handle ones
<Tonymac32> these aren't bad little acrylic case kits for the sub $6 mark
<Tonymac32> So I'm trying to see if u-boot stopped configuring something to do with the SD power. On first boot the fsck passes, then everything goes to shit. Then next boot fsck fails miserably
<lanefu> sometimes i wish i had cases
<lanefu> you always find like the super hard problems
<Tonymac32> Just annoying ones
<Tonymac32> I'm sure there's someone in this IRC who would be like "oh yeah, it's that" and fix it in 5 minutes
<lanefu> lol well someone has to do it
<lanefu> i'm pretty sure... thats you
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<lanefu> but i mean... i guess we are the night shift https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/2210#issuecomment-694532412
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<archetech> Sysinfo for 'arch-3570': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.19.90 on Arch Linux powered by Linux 5.8.10-arch1-1, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570S CPU
<archetech> plasma beta
<lanefu> woot how is it
<lanefu> the manjora on my pbp is my first plasma experience
<archetech> got a new wallpaper bout it lol
<lanefu> hahah
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: yeah right now seem slike my branch is shit sorry
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<lanefu> man my brain hurts. its not installing hte local firmware package i'm building
<lanefu> lol i feel like i'm gonna wake up adn people are gonna yell at me
<Tonymac32> hmmmmm
<Tonymac32> you're building the firmware, or just loading it?
<Tonymac32> and of course the opi 3 doesn't fir an RPI case XD I hadn't tried before
<lanefu> well building the armbian-firmware package
<lanefu> i had some dumb combo of options where it wasnt installing the deb
<lanefu> or making it or both
<lanefu> the more you understand the build tools the less you understand the build tools
<Tonymac32> hear hear
<Tonymac32> I still want to see about making the patch/config for board families their own repos for the purpose of getting all that stuff out of the main build system
<Tonymac32> then say I want to spin my own, I can just point it at my own board repo
<bd1308> you mean like submodules?
<Tonymac32> I honestly would just keep it as a config file and fetch the repo only if needed
<lanefu> i have such a love hate with git submodules
<Tonymac32> then users of the script can override it
<bd1308> ah gotcha
<bd1308> lanefu: I like them in theory, but it gets chaotic easily
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> its chaos theory
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<Tonymac32> So I had mentioned this a while back, but when I was setting up the CH55x platform for platformIO, that is exactly how they handle it
<Tonymac32> each platform has a repo and a manifest for tools fetched
* Tonymac32 looks at pile of acrylic cases
* Tonymac32 wonders if using CNC engraver to mark them is a good idea
* bd1308 looks at piles of old computers and a pile of SBCs :D
<Tonymac32> old computers are more or less taken care of, I have a motherboard module for a Mac something or other that had system 8 on it, and a Core 2 duo mini ITX in a box
<Tonymac32> I have *really* old computers, but those are collection
<bd1308> oldest thing I have is an Apple ///
<Tonymac32> SBC's.. well
<Tonymac32> oh, an apple ///? nice
<Tonymac32> I have a couple TRS-80's, the CoCo 2 and the model 100 portable
<lanefu> bd1308: tony did that z80 kit computer recently
<lanefu> ....z80 right?
<ArmbianHelper> ..z80 right? [en~>eng]
<Tonymac32> yeah, I built an RC2014 kit
<bd1308> Ooooooo which one?!
<Tonymac32> haha the Pro, so it runs CP/M
<bd1308> CP/M was just brilliant
<Tonymac32> I was showing my son how easy BASIC was XD
<Tonymac32> I got the digital I/O board so was flashing some lights
<bd1308> Yeah, I have an Apple IIGS I'm setting back up, and I was talking to my 6 year old about selling some of the old stuff and she was like "if you enjoy it, keep it" and she has a point
<bd1308> I was iffy on keeping my Amiga 1200, but I always end up selling stuff and then regretting it later
<Tonymac32> I learned how to program (first steps) on Apple BASIC
<Tonymac32> the //e and IIgs were abundant in my school
<Tonymac32> I think back in horror that I didn't grab any of them out of the dumpster when they decided to toss them. :'(
<bd1308> I actually taught myself BASIC on a TI-83 by waking up at like 5am as a kid and programming by night-light light
<Tonymac32> that was 2003 time frame even
<Tonymac32> did you hear they are going to remove BASIC from them?
<Tonymac32> because "cheating" or some nonsense
<bd1308> I have 2 IIGSs, which is just enough....and trading a IIe for C64 this weekend, God help me
<bd1308> oh man....that sucks
<Tonymac32> I gave up on TI a while ago
<Tonymac32> it was for 2 reasons, one was their abandoning the orignal TI-89 (no updates) upon releasing a 1/4 step better one
<bd1308> MAN the TI-89 was sooooooo nice
<Tonymac32> and 2nd was being an EE, the HP RPN calculators are infinitely better
<bd1308> I ended up saving for one of those, and it was just fantastic
<bd1308> especially the pretty print problem solver thing
<Tonymac32> Well they released the TI89 silver or whatever, same processor, a bit more memory, and they said, "No updates for the $140 calculator you bought 3 years ago"
<bd1308> but I felt like it wasn't cheating if I wrote a program in BASIC that would do what I needed it to do
<bd1308> oh jeeze
<bd1308> I feel like there's just so much teachers could have done with those and never did
<Tonymac32> they could have designed a computer science class around them
<Tonymac32> lol
<bd1308> Absolutely! especially when you dip from BASIC to ASM
<Tonymac32> I can't remember if those had a UART or not...
<Tonymac32> the HP has UART, IR, etc, so from an I/O perspective it would be an easier go. Language wise, well
<Tonymac32> The newest range of calculators are just crappy cell phones
<Tonymac32> and I can't pretend to like it
<bd1308> exactly my sentiment too
<Tonymac32> I have the HP Prime as an app on my actual smartphone
<Tonymac32> and still prefer the HP50G
<Tonymac32> or even the HP48
<Tonymac32> But then again I also hand soldered a parallel bus microcomputer together for fun
<Tonymac32> so maybe I'm not normal (this is my shocked face)
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: bummer
<nekomancer[m]> at last, now we know.
<bd1308> I like HP calculators too, RPN was amazing with stacks, but I definitely just grazed the surface
<Tonymac32> hey, at least your image isn't shitting all over it's own filesystem on first boot for unknown reasons
<lanefu> haha true
<Tonymac32> bd1308 I had an unfair advantage when I got my HP, I had been playing at writing my own x86 ASM OS
<Tonymac32> so I had written a floating point library in assembly
<Tonymac32> for the x87 FPU
<bd1308> wow
<Tonymac32> I sound like an angry old man, but like this issue with the Tinker board I'm having: I can't figure it out because of how many moving parts there are, even though it's just the damn bootloader
<bd1308> 8086 or 386 ASM? I wanted to learn x86 asm to write something for my Compaq Portable II, but the segments/offsets were just infuriating
<bd1308> so I ended up gravitating toward 6502
<Tonymac32> I started with 8086, and yes, 20 bit addresses are a PITA
<Tonymac32> I jumped to using 80386 flat memory model
<Tonymac32> jmp <anywhere you want>
<Tonymac32> XD
<Tonymac32> I *think* that's how MenuetOS still does it, although they went 64-bit some years ago as the primary target
<bd1308> I had a EE class once, and absolutely loved it (I was studying as a ME but they wanted you to take some cross-engineering courses), built my own clock and shift register out of 74 series stuff
<bd1308> it was fun
<Tonymac32> I loved playing with 74-series and 4000-series logic
<Tonymac32> simple, to the point, and race conditions!
<bd1308> one day i'll build some Z80 computer or something, there's a few 6 chip CP/M designs around
<Tonymac32> which signal will get to the NAND gate first? Tune in next time on "what on earth did my circuit just do?"
<bd1308> XD
<Tonymac32> I took an asynchronous logic class. wooooooo buddy
<bd1308> oh man...that sounds rough
<Tonymac32> I mean it was cool, but you basically threw a lot of stuff away
<Tonymac32> assumptions = gone
<bd1308> lol
<Tonymac32> My next favorite was fuzzy logic
<Tonymac32> (I spent far too long in University and really didn't graduate with half the paperwork to prove it)
<bd1308> one of the projects I'd love to do is to make a ESP32 card that goes into a IIe, so I can peek/poke data from BASIC (you can write BASIC extensions called ampersand libraries) and have the ESP32 make HTTP requests for API data with Python
<Tonymac32> That shouldn't be too bad, 8 bit data and address, some control signals
<Tonymac32> the input only pins would actually serve a purpose for a change
<bd1308> yeah, I think I'll work on that in the winter, I have plenty of ESP32s and a IIe, I just need to get a card
<bd1308> as long as it's not more than 5V TTL, I dont think it'd destroy something
<bd1308> it's just been a chaotic year lol
<Tonymac32> level shifting will be fine for that because it is relatively slow
<bd1308> I think my problem is just wrapping my head around needing to keep up with and/or sync to Apple II timings, but I've been watching tons of the Ben Eater protoboard computer videos to start demystifying stuff
<Tonymac32> for address you could obviously just use the poor man's vreg, a zener and a resistor
<Tonymac32> since that would be one-way
<Tonymac32> I was playing with making an add-on card for my color computer
<bd1308> I actually have a CoCo 2 I need to start playing with
<bd1308> There's something about the TRS-80s that I love...I went to Tandy Assembly in Ohio a couple years ago and was just floored at all of the cool stuff
<bd1308> wanted a TRS-80 4P for a while, but those shot up in price by a huge margin
<Tonymac32> yeah
<Tonymac32> I started to build my owm Z80 machine about 15 years ago, only got so far (budget of a student and no easy way to get some of the parts made like the PCB's)
<Tonymac32> you can only use etching fluid in mom's casserole dish so many times
<bd1308> LOL
<Tonymac32> I was building it on exactly the same principle the RC2014 uses, which is why I went ahead and shelled out the money
<bd1308> it's amazing how cheap PCBs can be made these days though
<bd1308> And yeah, that's exactly what conclusion I came to as well
<bd1308> the RC2014 is a NICE project
<Tonymac32> it's ridiculous, I even sell some random stuff since I can get PCB's to my house for under $20 to experiment
<lanefu> ha that reminds me.. i got my sweet 2 channel mixer board from switzerland
<Tonymac32> nice
<Tonymac32> unrealistically appropriate
<Tonymac32> actually
<bd1308> oh oh that's incredible
<bd1308> that has a IMSAI 8080 look, totally awesome case
<Tonymac32> Do you want to play a game?
<bd1308> I saw one of those in person, and HOLY hell it was just packed to the gills with cards and he spent probably a half day nailing down memory errors and stuff just from him transporting it to Kansasfest
<bd1308> lanefu: what's the 2 channel mixer fer?
<bd1308> Tonymac32: games are fun :)
<Tonymac32> that game list escalated quickly
<lanefu> ha to mix my Tonymac32 esp32 board and another audio device throgh my stereo
<bd1308> what a great movie, I need to watch that again....I found my hackers DVD so I watched that recently again
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<bd1308> man, I still need to get that FabGL board going
<Tonymac32> I need to fix the HAT I made for my board to support it
<Tonymac32> there is also a nice GRBL controller based on ESP32, I need to see if I can make a board to support that as well in combination with mine
<Tonymac32> need these for the front panel
<Tonymac32> but in another color ideally
<bd1308> oh man that reminds me I need to look at the PiDP-11 kit again
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<lanefu> okay i finally have a sort of working image now
<lanefu> so yay
<lanefu> celebrating by going to bed adios
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<IgorPec> rneese: use lightdm, we don't use nodm anymore
<Tonymac32> hmmmmmmmmmm
<Tonymac32> of course I question how it worked before, so huh
<IgorPec> we are at 2018.something with Tinker
<IgorPec> where everything is different :)
<Tonymac32> actually not that different, looking at the history of the various files
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<nekomancer[m]> <Tonymac32 "you can only use etching fluid i"> old good FeCl3
<nekomancer[m]> build image for pinebook pro from mainline with desktop. it boots into text mode. I install kubuntu-desktop. but still don't know how to force it start graphic login
<IgorPec> did you create a normal user at first boot?
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<nekomancer[m]> no
<nekomancer[m]> ok, will create after sleep, thank you
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<lanefu> sdoran: !
<sdoran> 👋
<sdoran> So far therapudic reboots on my Orange Pie+ 2E seem to be keeping things in order.
<sdoran> I should try disabling that and see if the clock speed tweaks help keep it stable.
<lanefu> sdoran: yeah i'd also like to see if your new watchdog config can cover your other problem
<sdoran> It'd be interesting to see if it gets stuck enough to allow the watchdog to reboot it.
<lanefu> yeah i'm super curious aobut that myself
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<nekomancer[m]> User added, gui not starts
<lanefu> `systemctl status lightdm`
<nekomancer[m]> inactive dead
<nekomancer[m]> can;t be enabled — have no installation config
<nekomancer[m]> i can manualy run sddm (because I wand kde) then I got gui prompt. but still can't login — after enter password it does nothing
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<lanefu> which distor did you build
<lanefu> s/distor/distro
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: which distro did you build
<nekomancer[m]> focal
<nekomancer[m]> ok, ignore kde.
<nekomancer[m]> let default armbian desktop run as it should
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<nekomancer[m]> victory!
<nekomancer[m]> it works after `dpkg-reconfigure sddm`
<lanefu> nice!
<nekomancer[m]> but now screen flicker by brightness. previously it not.
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<nekomancer[m]> no sound
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<nekomancer[m]> no sound devices and controls in kde/ possible just need to be installed
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: yeah sound needs some alsa stuff
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<lanefu> omg i'm making such a mess of this boot logo thing
<nekomancer[m]> screen flickering gone after I change setting "rendering backend" from opengk 2.0 to xrender
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<nekomancer[m]> from alsa* I have installed `alsa-base,alsa-utils`
<bd1308> sound is there, I've got it working on my pinebook-pro, i'm just waiting for lanefu to cut an image and then i'll add the state file needed to get it working
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<bd1308> the actual driver and stuff is fine, the actual DACs are muted, but the asound.state file will flip those on, I haven't figured out a better way to set that via pulse configs....yet.
<nekomancer[m]> I boot my pbp from old-good-working sdcard, and hear no sound there. Like something brolen in my pbp now ^(((
<nekomancer[m]> reboot and sound is back
<nekomancer[m]> in old image by ayufan
<bd1308> oh, that's interesting
<nekomancer[m]> lost again. seems it lost after try to look youtube in firefox
<nekomancer[m]> in my oreviouslife , 2 days ago, it all works
<bd1308> i've been stable with lanefu/me builds with new debian and mainline
<lanefu> okay finally have a good pinebook pro image
<lanefu> bluetooth, brightness keys, battery status and wifi work
<rojiro> lanefu: awesome. thanks for the hard work.
<lanefu> no splash screen, no sound but progress
<lanefu> thanks rojiro
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: don't you use ayufan patches?
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: it's starting frmo our standard RK3399 kernel and patch set
<lanefu> i'm just doing the little stuff https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/2208/files
<lanefu> and some firmware shuffling which is already checked in now
<bd1308> and I cloned his repo to add sound fixins, i'm running to bestbuy to get a USB-C dock for video testing
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<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: every 2 connect to `https://armbian.lane-fu.com` returns certificateerror
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<[TheBug]> is that the redirector?
<[TheBug]> it may be the end host you are sent to has expired cert
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<[TheBug]> does it actually give any more error than that?
<[TheBug]> lanefu: I actually did some testing as well there and left you some info in msg
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<lanefu> [TheBug]: nah that's my server at home... let me restart fabio cluster
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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: hopefully it's clean now
<lanefu> is for me
<nekomancer[m]> damn modern browsers with unusable problem diagnostic.
<lanefu> i scaled down to 1 worker. it may have been load balancing weird
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: okay now?
<[TheBug]> lanefu: looks better to me, not seeing same result as before
<lanefu> okay good deal.. sorry/thanks
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<nekomancer[m]> <lanefu "nekomancer: okay now?"> yes
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: try to touch around desktop in your image. All as you tell.
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: sorry don't understand
<lanefu> fyi
<lanefu> ..this will auto translate
<ArmbianHelper> this will auto translate [en~>eng]
<lanefu> if you put .. in front
<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: I run some apps in image you post there for PBP for 15-20 minutes. all as you anounce. buttons for brightness works, video ok, desktop slight, wifi work, no sound.
<lanefu> ahh gotcha! :)
<lanefu> okay.. i think i'm done hacking on pbp for the day.... here's my best image... has additional touchpad tweaks https://armbian.lane-fu.com/Armbian_20.11.0-trunk-fridaytest_Pinebook-pro_bullseye_current_5.8.10_desktop.img.xz
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<rneese> eveing guys
<rneese> this day sucked and glad its over
<lanefu> More work than petting puppies I take it
<rneese> truck issues
<rneese> and then dog issues
<lanefu> You're a lost woman away from a robust country music song
<rneese> lol
<rneese> well its all fixed now but I need to work on a fresh sd install so I can confirm the build
<rneese> so we hav get it into githus for testing of builds
<rneese> I would like to see imgs getting put for figg dektops
<rneese> so I am now checking the install script and figuring out what has to be fixed and then go from there
<rneese> ok IgorPec so should all the parts of the desktop be in the PACKAGE_LIST_DDE= line wor just the base parts
<rneese> this is what I have so far
<rneese> I am going to run a install in a min based on this
<rneese> this would be a base install for the img to make it work
<rneese> I would install the libqtsqlite and sqlite as a default
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