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<lanefu> any easy tricks to get a u-boot on emmc to boot from sdcard?
<lanefu> Pinebook pro boot order is spi,emmc,sdcard
<lanefu> majaro image has a software bootloader doing some magic
<nekomancer[m]> when my pinebook pro was alive, it boot from sdcard if it present, and from emmc if no sdcard. It was very useful for me.
<lanefu> yeah that was actually manjaro boot from EMMC and then boot sdcard
<nekomancer[m]> there was no manjaro on my pbp. it was old debian or armbian I got from vendor
<lanefu> gotcha
<nekomancer[m]> maybe, that "update" crush my precioussss
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<archetech> too much armbian bologna goin on apt update outta upgrade a uboot and kernel
<archetech> install breakage wait a month reinstall
<archetech> seems peeps here are tolerant of that kinda dev work
<nekomancer[m]> wts "bologna goin"?
<archetech> cuz whaa we gotta lot of boards to support
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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: he just means bullshit
<nekomancer[m]> sorry, my english very poor
<lanefu> or "nonsense"
<lanefu> what's your native language?
<nekomancer[m]> russian
<lanefu> cool
<archetech> bolonskaya kolbasa
<archetech> heh
<archetech> aka keilbasa
<nekomancer[m]> means nothing in russian :)
<archetech> Болонья
<nekomancer[m]> ..болонская колбаса
<ArmbianHelper> bologna [ru~>eng]
<nekomancer[m]> ..колбаса
<ArmbianHelper> sausage [ru~>eng]
<archetech> hows that
<lanefu> lol
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<nekomancer[m]> bolonskaya kolbasa → sausage from the Bologna
<lanefu> чушь собачья
<nekomancer[m]> true
<nekomancer[m]> ..чушь собачья
<archetech> its northern italy lunch meat
<ArmbianHelper> bullshit [ru~>eng]
<nekomancer[m]> correct!! :))
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> google can translate back to itself
<nekomancer[m]> not always
<lanefu> i believe that
<Tony_mac32> I've seen it fail to translate German --> English --> German so I can only assume anything more interesting has to be pretty funny
<Tony_mac32> with no one to teach me Cyrillic I never learned any Russian
<Tony_mac32> Of course schools here only want to teach Spanish, French, or German
<Tony_mac32> in that order
<Tony_mac32> Spanish I understand. French I do not :D
<Tony_mac32> If I didn't have coworkers in France I would never, ever encounter it
<Tony_mac32> Well, there is Martinayotte I guess, I might need it if I go to a large part of Canada
<Tony_mac32> :)
<lanefu> Tony_mac32: you catch my forum post about pinebook better with mainline ubooy?
<lanefu> Uboot
<archetech> now thats right spend some time on your N2 eh
<Tony_mac32> My N2 is still ripping through protein sequences :D
<Tony_mac32> so whose u-boot is that? any variations from mainline that are noteworthy?
<lanefu> Like 7 patches and that's it
<lanefu> Looks super minor from that perspective
<Tony_mac32> yeah I see that
<Tony_mac32> huh
<Tony_mac32> ours should boot SD first, I don't know why that isn't implemented
<Tony_mac32> Rockchip 32 bit does
<Tony_mac32> Meson64 should
<lanefu> Would certainly make recovery easier
<lanefu> Anyway boottime is waaaaay better than our current pbp uboot
<Tony_mac32> lol
<Tony_mac32> were we using the 2017.whateverRockchipIsTooLazyToUpgrade?
<lanefu> Yeah some ayufan brach
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<lanefu> Slumber
<Tony_mac32> hahahaha
<lanefu> L8r
<Tony_mac32> have a good one
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<IgorPec> lanefu: eMMC boot is default on rockchip64 ... so you need to alter u-boot to check and loads from eMMC if present
<IgorPec> but need to check if pinebook bootloader is actually build with it
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<Miouyouyou> What's the deal with upgrading UBoot on Rockchip systems ? Do you get some additional features ?
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<IgorPec> i think its just some bugfixes / going up with a version
<IgorPec> dunno
<Werner> Good morning
<IgorPec> good morning, yeah
<Miouyouyou> Good mowning
<IgorPec> affinities ?
<IgorPec> miouyouyou: i thnk important is that we keep this in https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/boards/README.md + docs
<IgorPec> whatever the naming will be. i can't come up with any straightforward idea
<IgorPec> probably need yet another coffe
<Miouyouyou> Yeah. I'd like to be sure that the whole structure works for the maintainers first. "special" might be a better name
<Miouyouyou> or "snowflake"
<IgorPec> or custom
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<IgorPec> overlay?
<IgorPec> nah
<Miouyouyou> Custom yeah
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, both could work
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<Miouyouyou> Might need a poll for that
<IgorPec> hehe
<IgorPec> also softwares vs packages
<IgorPec> what is more intuative
<Miouyouyou> Anyway, the new system can accept an arbitrary number of desktop configurations and software groups (categories ?)
<IgorPec> ok, but not sure if we need more fragmenting at this point?
<Miouyouyou> The system seem to require a lot of folders and files at first, but that could be fixed with symlinks for repeating patterns
<IgorPec> ofc. i am just thinking how to not generate confusion here
<Miouyouyou> Well files and folders not needed don't need to be there
<Miouyouyou> I just added example files for testing
<IgorPec> usually grouping in 3 is best if possible
<Miouyouyou> By default, most files can be removed
<IgorPec> i know. i try to imaginge the real world
<IgorPec> aha, so one can add a new category with the same structure ?
<IgorPec> or remove it if not needed "Editors" for example
<IgorPec> on particular desktop
<Miouyouyou> Yes
<IgorPec> ok. then just a better name for "softwares"
<IgorPec> groups
<IgorPec> packages
<IgorPec> and combination of that :)
<Miouyouyou> appgroups ?
<IgorPec> perhaps
<IgorPec> sounds better than softwares
<Miouyouyou> groups could do too
<IgorPec> app is better. it implies that software is there
<IgorPec> groups is to general
<IgorPec> appgroups
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, people see apps as actual softwares they can use
<IgorPec> yes, even packages can technically be libraries
<IgorPec> and not apps
<IgorPec> but i don't see this as a problem
<Miouyouyou> I'll see if people come up with other ideas on Jira
<Miouyouyou> I'll try to open a thread on the forum also
<IgorPec> we do need to do some promotion
<IgorPec> yes
<IgorPec> now its something to see and its the right time to come up with ideas to change things
<Miouyouyou> Since this requires a lot of testing
<IgorPec> yeah
<Miouyouyou> I'll try to open a documented thread this weekend (how to test, how it works ATM, how to modify and test things, ...)
<IgorPec> good! overall it seems good
<Miouyouyou> Today I need to test Docker + Tensorflow + GPU for a client
<IgorPec> on orangepi? :)
<Miouyouyou> And I might have to do an install for a client tomorrow
<Miouyouyou> Of course
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<IgorPec> ok, thanks for the update
<Miouyouyou> I'll just find some Usb 2 to PCIE3x16 on taobao and this should do the trick :3
<IgorPec> lol
<Miouyouyou> You're welcome 😺
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): The #amd #ryzen 7 3700X really kicks ass in comparison to a 16 vcore VPS....I love it 😌 #armbian #netcup (20s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @LarisaChen15 (Larisa Chen): #orangepi4 + mpcie marvell quad port sata controller + intel 120GB ssd. + armbian . COOL! can auto detect the sata controller and ssd.. possible ti built a nas #DIY #orangepi4 #SBC #minipc #RK3399 #opensource #Android #Linux #embedhardware #embedsystem #iot #maker https://t.co/ybK9Nb0R2w (6s ago)
<[TheBug]> yes.. cept RockPi 4 implementation seems a lot nicer imo
<[TheBug]> re: that tweet
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<emOne> My address is not a house or a road
<emOne> My address today goes like this
<emOne> www Leningrad...... It is a song
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<IgorPec> werner: you upgrade your machine?:)
<Werner> Um no?
<IgorPec> "The #amd #ryzen 7 3700X really kicks ass in comparison to a 16 vcore VPS....I love it "
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @LarisaChen15: #orangepi4 + mpcie marvell quad port sata controller + intel 120GB ssd. + armbian . COOL! can auto detect the sata contro… (3s ago)
<Werner> I actually compared my home pc against that vps. So unfortunately no upgrades :(
<IgorPec> ahaa :)
<IgorPec> btw. i started to think about our main build machine upgrade
<Werner> Whats their current specs?
<IgorPec> dual xeon
<IgorPec> 28C
<Werner> That is not that bad
<IgorPec> well, my desktop is 2x faster ;)
<Werner> hehe
<IgorPec> it was not bad 5 years ago
<Werner> And what to upgrade to? epyc?
<IgorPec> yeah
<IgorPec> 7702
<Werner> expensiv stuff...
<IgorPec> yeah, which is why i am only thinking for now
<IgorPec> or going on arm
<IgorPec> and trying to get a very nice discount.
<Werner> On the arm stuff?
<IgorPec> on any
<Werner> x86 is proven to work. Not sure what we run into when having to deal with an arm build server
<IgorPec> i know that
<IgorPec> its going into unknown
<IgorPec> best would be to have two high end machines :)
<IgorPec> one arm and one amd
<Werner> Better try getting one for now :D
<IgorPec> yeah, next year
<IgorPec> we will see how current infrastructure will hold up after desktops are added
<IgorPec> it will be more compilation then
<rneese> igore I am almost done with the lightdm-gtk-armbian-theme
<rneese> I will give you the repo once tested
<IgorPec> great. check todays irc logs -8h
<IgorPec> we had some update from myy
<rneese> ok
<rneese> the lightdm theme is not that hard. then I have to figure out how we can edit the usr|lib|deeping|desktop-version
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<rneese> to set the right version
<IgorPec> how do you mean how to edit?
<IgorPec> just replace the text after installation is done. the problem might be that this will probably be overwritten when deepin packages are updated but with that we can deal later
<rneese> no that file is only retouched when you do a pkg update
<rneese> yes
<rneese> ok
<rneese> well finishing the lightdm theme then working on a theme for dde-armbian
<rneese> forcing me to learn alot fast
<IgorPec> take it easy or you will be waiting us
<rneese> lol
<IgorPec> and this part is enjoyable. so enjoy ;)
<rneese> I did find a bug in the dde pkgs they are fixing now
<rneese> also working to make a new ubuntudde-dde-desktop and desktop-full that will make installing alot easier
<rneese> I wish all the desktops did this so making installs was easier
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): Hey @netcup. Ever considered supporting some software development projects that tinker with #arm architecture like @armbian? (9s ago)
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<nekomancer[m]> torrents now not used for gcc?
<IgorPec> no, we had some issues and throw them out
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<ArmbianTwitter> @netcup (netcup GmbH): @DieZuckerbude @armbian Dear Ben, we do support non-profit organisations under certain circumstances. If a project is interested in sponsoring by us, they can get in touch with us by mail (mail@netcup.de) and we will discuss how we can support: https://t.co/phrmWiCOpo Kind regards, Lars. (7s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @netcup @armbian Good to know. Awesome. (5s ago)
<Werner> IgorPec, wanna ask netcup for a build server 64+ cores? :P
<IgorPec> do they have it?
<IgorPec> i think this will not be that simple
<Werner> There is only one way to find out. They offer vps on epyc basis but their biggest one for public sale has 10 dedicated cores. can be compared to a ryzen 3600 with geekbench5
<IgorPec> but for building this is nothing
<Werner> True. But as most companies if you do some talking you can learn what they also have to offer
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<IgorPec> we can probably get something from them, but not 20.000 EUR valued service out of nothing
<IgorPec> they don't know us
<Werner> Something is often better than nothing and asking by itself is usually free ;)
<IgorPec> consider that i also know people at intel and i only need to ask them. chanches to get something are much bigger since we know each other in person
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<IgorPec> its always the cost of negotiation. if i will blow weeks and get VPS for 50E its not wortth even starting
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<Werner> true
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<IgorPec> so, there is no rush
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<Werner> Would be good enough for a Github runner though.
<IgorPec> i have two xeon servers now hooked for that. Not sure if they are active
<IgorPec> if we need to get something, high end epyc is the only option
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<IgorPec> other things are just a little better and its not worth investing time
<IgorPec> to deal with
<IgorPec> in a past two months we were completly torn down the infrastructure
<IgorPec> nad build from scratch
<ArmbianHelper> AR-2 [Story] "Improving download infrastructure" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-11-10. Status: In Progress
<IgorPec> and we all want to do other stuff than dealing with this
<Werner> Stuff needs to be dealed with whether it is big or small.
<IgorPec> ofc, but usually you have a few fulltimers that are maintaining infrastrucutre of this complexity / size
<Werner> Yeah... Armbian is kind a different there
<Werner> All volunteers
<IgorPec> yeah, or enough people that can do that on a side
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<IgorPec> which is why we have to plan things even more carefuly not getting crazy
<Werner> Understandable.
<IgorPec> this work was needed and we improve things. crashes are less likely to happen
<IgorPec> dl speed dramatically improves
<Werner> No doubt about that. Last but not least to the nice guys from fosshost.
<IgorPec> also
<Werner> Btw is there something like a long term storage for archived versions of images and packages?
<IgorPec> storage.armbian.com
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<rneese> apt needs a way to do --no-install pkg name
<IgorPec> packages haven't move there
<Werner> Internal use I assume since I cannot connect to it
<IgorPec> rnesee: with what you have problems?
<rneese> we found abug in dde-kwin
<IgorPec> sorry. archive.armbian.com
<rneese> that effects the desktop
<IgorPec> in which way?
<rneese> so need a way not to install it
<rneese> this is in the dde desktop
<rneese> I am working on
<Werner> Ah okay.
<IgorPec> what if we allow to install and de-inastall late?
<rneese> that would work
<IgorPec> comment to myy that he should implement this systematically
<rneese> until I can get a armboard to the pkg devs for testing
<Werner> Is disk space an issue for the archive yet?
<IgorPec> 24% from 28TB
<IgorPec> not a problem in any way
<Werner> Aight. Awesome. Was just thinking
<IgorPec> infrastructure is overkill now
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<Werner> Was thinking about utilizing googles gsuite which offers unlimited drive storage.
<IgorPec> when things are free and unlimited you pay differently
<IgorPec> :)
<Werner> 28TB is not unlimited ^^
<IgorPec> fill it with armbian stuff if you can
<Werner> It will fill by itself over time and there is plenty of left for now. As stated was just playing with ideas.
<IgorPec> no, we will not mess with google
<IgorPec> or amazon. we just adde dour own S3 storage
<IgorPec> own = donated
<IgorPec> its one of the mirroras in the pool
<Werner> Very nice
<IgorPec> old one, the first armbian storage is shutting down, this is instead
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<rneese> igore we also need to have the way to set flags like --install-recommends
<rneese> as it makes the pkg list alot cleaner as half the deps are covered by this
<rneese> there is all --install-suggested
<IgorPec> yes i know, but this is getting messy since not all packages relations are set properly
<IgorPec> could not be set properly
<rneese> ok
<IgorPec> i can't say what is the best
<rneese> ok bbiab walmart run to get 4 new sd cards
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<jock> hello guys
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<rneese> crap truck wont start
<IgorPec> jock hi
<rneese> so I managed to shrink the list down thou
<IgorPec> which truck?
<rneese> my mightymax
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<lanefu> Oh I just realized the bootlogo works with my N2 now
<rneese> now fix it for the t4
<IgorPec> it also should work on t4
<IgorPec> but its only enabled on desktop builds
<nekomancer[m]> .seen chewitt
<IgorPec> not recently
<lanefu> IgorPec: also i enabled the glamour driver. and now i can pick resolutions in xrandr
<lanefu> (on the N2)
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<stipa> ping!
<stipa> !ping
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<[TheBug]> pong
<rneese> ding
<[TheBug]> Where's the food? Where's the food? (even Pavlovs dog gets a treat)
<stipa> What a laggy connection I have.
<rneese> IgorPec, is a slave driver he does not feed you until you produce work
<[TheBug]> Grr. then stay away from the bell!
<[TheBug]> ;p
<stipa> It's like I'm on Mars.
<[TheBug]> Welcome fellow Martian
<stipa> Thanks
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<stipa> I see this place is packed with Influencers.
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<rneese> I am workking on lightdm-gtk-greeter-armbian theme
<rneese> and then I have to work on more things
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<rneese> i need the png for the desktop with the armbian penguin
<rneese> no etcher on arm64
<rneese> grumble
<rneese> gonna have to work on that
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<nekomancer[m]> i enabled the glamour driver.
<nekomancer[m]> sounds delicious
<nekomancer[m]> about a bell https://youtu.be/7notuuPwzCM
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<nekomancer[m]> .seen piter75
<nekomancer[m]> why ".seen" not work for me?
<nekomancer[m]> is it because I use matrix gate?
<stipa> Do you know which nicks are bots?
<stipa> try to type command in private chat of the bot.
<stipa> I guess.
<stipa> I also want to know which commands are available...
<nekomancer[m]> I don;t :(
<stipa> Me neither, I'm new.
<stipa> !pingme
<stipa> pingme!
<rneese> ongme
<rneese> pongme
<stipa> not bad, 21 seconds...
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