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<Tony_mac32> Rock64 is already on mainline, which is weird since we push the other rk3328's to the ayufan atf
<Tony_mac32> but not the one ayufan actually supports. :/
<IgorPec> this defenetly need some updating / lov
<IgorPec> love
<Tony_mac32> I haven't seen the hdmi issue on rock64, I think I had some really strange one-off thing happen
<Tony_mac32> igor, when I select "current on rockchip64 I'm randomly getting kernel 5.4, I can't trace down how it's deciding to pull that, and this VM was set up long after we used that kernel
<Tony_mac32> wait
<Tony_mac32> nope
<Tony_mac32> the machine itself is on 5.8
<Tony_mac32> and it has never compiled a 5.4 kernel for any reason
<IgorPec> randomly?
<IgorPec> is it up to date?
<IgorPec> you have any overrides in userpatches
<Tony_mac32> yep, and like I said, the first clone of the repo was already 5.9
<Tony_mac32> so far no, but it has done it twice to me, it did it on Renegade and I stopped the build, re-ran it, and it worked properly
<IgorPec> haven't notice this yet
<Tony_mac32> I tried a first run on rockpro64 and it did the same, checking to see if restarting fixes it again.
<Tony_mac32> what I'll do in that case is try to build another rockchip64 board and see what happens
<Tony_mac32> yeah it's 5.10 on the second run
* Tony_mac32 tries to remember wtf he put the RockPro64's
<Tony_mac32> shit I got it to do it again. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
<Tony_mac32> (HDMI bug)
<IgorPec> dman
<IgorPec> but like i said - on allwinner as well
<IgorPec> you mean black screen on reboot from desktop?
<Tony_mac32> no, this is trippy pixel clock problem I think
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<Tony_mac32> I had installed the new u-boot onto a working image and had no issue, flashed a whole new image and it's doing it. Only difference was changing from boot blobs to ATF, I'll take a peek at the RAM performance maybe
<IgorPec> i am leaving you
<IgorPec> must crash, 2am crysis :)
<Tony_mac32> hahaha until later
<IgorPec> yeah
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @DieZuckerbude @armbian What RAM is in the P1? (5s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @TonyMac_32 @armbian So LPDDR4 (31s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @DieZuckerbude @armbian Ahhh, right, it's a kinda sorta Renegade Elite. Interesting. (6s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @TonyMac_32 @armbian With a fancy case welded around 😁 (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @DieZuckerbude @armbian Oh, like this one? I have the taller one for the mezzanine board. 😅 (26s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @ywilien (Julien Richer): @flobaoti Dans la newsletter mail ils précisent "A new major update for Armbian will be released in the coming weeks. This will introduce new Linux Kernel 5.10" (10s ago)
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<PPA> HDMI out on the Rock64 didn't work for me using the build on the download page when I tried it a few years ago
<IgorPec> "few years ago" is not very relevant info i would say :)
<PPA> er
<PPA> typo, I meant a few days ago
<PPA> Friday or so
<PPA> legacy kernel was fine
<IgorPec> legacy kernel is not changing
<IgorPec> and our test lab only test headless,
<PPA> Mentioned this only since someone mentioned HDMI out issues on Rock64 up there in the backlog
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<IgorPec> i think that is due to boot loader changes ... don't know in detail
<IgorPec> i think its related
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<PPA> I now remember some posts about HDMI not working at boot, but if you plug the cable in after the device has booted up
<PPA> Didn't try this though since I was just trying to check something quick and immediately forgot about the issue again
<IgorPec> yes that also, i didn't work with this
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<PPA> Oh, the H6 is a little bigger than the H6
<PPA> I bought another set of the little tkaiser heatsinks but it doesn't quite cover it
<PPA> We'll see if it's sufficient at 1.5 GHz
<[TheBug]> wat
<PPA> er, a bit bigger than the H3
<[TheBug]> "the H6 is a little bigger than the H6" this statement is redundant
<PPA> I keep making typos
<[TheBug]> lol
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<Xogium> god damn it, what is it with me and thermal, honestly ? I just had this on stm32mp1
<Xogium> thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached (123 C), shutting down
<Xogium> I think it is a false alarm though
<Xogium> the board wasn't even that hot
<ArmbianTwitter> @coding4bees (tom): #tensorflow on #orangepi h6 running @armbian. Test with HD webcam, 31f/s It works! 😁😁😁 (26s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @coding4bees (tom): #tensorflow on #orangepi h6 running @armbian. Test with HD webcam, 31f/s It works! 😁😁😁 The cat is an important team member! (16s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @coding4bees Cats are playing critical role in #armbian core development process 😁😄 (19s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @coding4bees: #tensorflow on #orangepi h6 running @armbian. Test with HD webcam, 31f/s It works! 😁😁😁 The cat is an important team member… (20s ago)
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<lanefu> I call that a "who's with me" post
<lanefu> Lol like a "less talking more coding" label
<lanefu> Which honestly could be handy for a lot of posts
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @StationGeeker: #StationP1 #Armbian Buster With Media Script / #KODI @NicoD99364191 (2s ago)
<Werner> lanefu, lol
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<ArmbianTwitter> @improve_this (Patrik Lori #MehrLösungsPolitik ⚜️ + 🐝 + 🦉 + 🐻): @StationGeeker @armbian @NicoD99364191 No chance, to this new Desktop Beast; with the new Apple M1 (ARM A14+ based) SoC! 👇🏼 (15s ago)
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<stipa> if TV boxes could be hacked it would boost Armbians popularity...
<stipa> that's a huge market of junk waiting to be saved
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<ArmbianTwitter> @privtechy (plasma): @StationGeeker @armbian @NicoD99364191 what's the spec on the pc (28s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Well, so is the smartphone junk. It's really hard to support a hardware without documentation.
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @improve_this @StationGeeker @armbian @NicoD99364191 Always a good idea to compare apples with potatos... (18s ago)
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<buZz> i really like the motorola droid 4 hw
<buZz> and that runs mainline kernel nowadays
<kprasadvnsi[m]> With TV boxes, simply the sheer number of devices makes it impossible to get reasonable Armbian support.
<buZz> the maemo leste ppl even got TI to release new binary blobs for getting the gpu to work on more modern kernels :)
<kprasadvnsi[m]> IMHO binary blobs are the pure evil.
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Tons of devices goes to landfill just because these binary blobs prohibit the required software support. It's the biggest tool of planned obsolescence.
<buZz> hmhm
<buZz> well it works without the driver, just no accelerated video
<buZz> i -think- there's someone working on open PowerVR driver aswell
<buZz> but could be years before that gets usuable
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Panfrost is the best FOSS GPU driver attampt so far.
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> IMO people should avoid PowerVR like a plague
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<Tony_mac32> As of today I would agree, however I guess let's see if they change their stripes ;)
<Tony_mac32> Imagination is supposed to be working on a FOSS driver directly I thought I read
<Tony_mac32> proof will be in it actually appearing
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<Tony_mac32> stipa Oleg handles TV boxes fairly well. The problem is they are literally all garbage. The wifi chips, RAM, schematics, etc change at random. Quality control is non-existent, etc
<Tony_mac32> Take a single board computer, then imagine cost cutting it even further because you know the average consumer for the device doesn't even know what a SoC or a Wifi chipset is
<[TheBug]> well my understanding is because of the vast variety of both quality and implementation it often takes a bunch of manual work to determine correct timings and such -- thats where I assume the most furstrating time is spent on those TV Boxes, its not just a 'drop in'
<[TheBug]> then decoding the correct firmware and such needs as you said.. has to be a pain
<[TheBug]> That was my experience for example with Sunvell R69 H2+ and H3 devices -- they offered an H3 device for 20$ but the memory was so shit that either you have to use a uboot with the absolute lowest memory timings (and still have issues getting devices to work, such as USB) or you have to use the image they provide that has one of allwinners fancy memory speed auto-detection scripts written into
<[TheBug]> it
<[TheBug]> TO this day I consider the Sunvell R69 dervice with actual H3 a doorstop
<[TheBug]> they put the stock Android 7 image on it for H3 and the things is effectively a hot plate
<Tony_mac32> lol I had an S905X box that nothing ran on worth a damn
<Tony_mac32> identical PCB to many used out there, but the individual components(RAM, etc) were just trash quality
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<[TheBug]> considering their cooler is a 40mmx40mm piece of aluminum in the top of the case using a huge termal pad to mate with
<Tony_mac32> tossed it
<[TheBug]> yeah so I can understand his frustration when someone wants an image for some really cheap garbage TV Box
<Tony_mac32> but yeah that's my point, the amount of work to support even a single TV box that are buying their RAM from recycling bins and therefor never making the same thing for more than a few weeks/months, ridiculous
<Tony_mac32> and if you're going to require it be a "decent" TV box, you're looking at $50+ and you can get a single board computer that you at least know who built it (mostly)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> My recent cheap TV box was a $30 H616. So far it's closer to the garbage then to a usable SBC
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> Hardware is well built probably due to newer SoC but I guess they will find ways to cheap out on this cheaper Box🤣
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<stipa> Tony_mac32: but if they change hardware in TV boxes all the time they also have to change the code, right? That would be somehow unbelivable
<stipa> but i guess they do
<stipa> they must
<stipa> maybe memory is so slow so that they can be safe if they put another memory in so that they don't need to change the code
<stipa> it's slow because it's set like that
<stipa> dunno
<stipa> i would go that way instead of pushing memory clocks to the may if i knew i would have to put another vendor of memory in the future
<stipa> to the max*
<stipa> all memories should work at slowest settings
<kprasadvnsi[m]> In case of Allwinner the DRAM is initlization done by their proprietary bootloader.
<ArmbianTwitter> @hvandrie (Herman van Drie): #armbian #ubuntu the usual problem is that something easy ain't always that obvious nor easy. Finally got it... nmcli best way to manage your wifi through Nnetwork Manager. WPA_Supplicant.service and Network Manager both fighting over wlan0 interface doesn't work very well (5s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]> * In case of Allwinner the DRAM initlization done by their proprietary bootloader.
<ArmbianTwitter> @hvandrie (Herman van Drie): #armbian #ubuntu the usual problem is that something easy ain't always that obvious nor easy. Finally got it... nmcli best way to manage your wifi through Network Manager. WPA_Supplicant.service and Network Manager both fighting over wlan0 interface doesn't work very well (5s ago)
<stipa> oh
<stipa> got it
<[TheBug]> stipa: yes in some cases memory even needs 'trained' which is what the specialized allwinner uboot will do, it won't have a hard set value, it will on boot up initialize and basically detect what rate is usable..
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<ArmbianTwitter> @NicoD99364191 (NicoD): @privtechy @StationGeeker @armbian It's an Rockchip RK3399. 6 cores, 2 x A72 up to 2Ghz + 4 x A53 up to 1.5Ghz. 4GB lpddr4. Mine has an eMMC of 32GB. The only minor on this is that wifi is only 2.4Ghz. Otherwise I love it. Great case. Comes with Android preinstalled. And there's obviously Armbian Linux for it. (15s ago)
<stipa> [TheBug]: that's neat feature
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Yah, but it's PITA to reverse engineer
<[TheBug]> BTW random fact - if you buy an emmc with your RockPi 4c, the 64GB emmc is much more performant than the 32Gb/16GB modules
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: right [TheBug] isn't it the opposite?
<[TheBug]> ?
<stipa> i thought that smaller memories have faster access times
<[TheBug]> depends on the quality of the memory
<[TheBug]> its like comparing a Patriot drive to a Samsung EVO
<[TheBug]> quality of controller and chip is a factor
<[TheBug]> size not so much
<stipa> so 64GB mmc in your example is of better quality than 32GB/16GB ones?
<stipa> emmc*
<[TheBug]> yes
<stipa> or is it set for some reson in uboot of RockPi4 4c that way?
<[TheBug]> I haven't spent time to look at it, but I can tell random IO is more responsive
<[TheBug]> and probably faster reads will need to do some specific tests here and see
<stipa> maybe it's a bug
<stipa> or the code is not yet supporting 16/32GB 100%
<stipa> they had 64GB and built code around it
<stipa> dunno
<stipa> a wild guess
<stipa> IgorPec: take care, i see in the news that Covid from UK is in Slovenia...
<stipa> Still not in Croatia, the funny thing is that cases are falling nicely and this crap is coming to fuck everything up again...
<stipa> shit
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<ArmbianTwitter> @Nosluop56 (George P): @armbian @OpenZFS I just updated my @armbian Focal based #NanoPiM4v2 #NAS with no problems at all.. After 'apt update' & 'apt upgrade' all I had to do was 'sudo zpool upgrade <pool>' and everything is fine: george@nas:~$ zpool --version zfs-2.0.1-1 zfs-kmod-2.0.1-1 (20s ago)
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<Tony_mac32> igorpec somehow I think I fell through to this line for my 5.4 kernel strangeness:
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @Nosluop56: @armbian @OpenZFS I just updated my @armbian Focal based #NanoPiM4v2 #NAS with no problems at all.. After 'apt update' & 'ap… (25s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): Let's try something different. @ManjaroLinuxARM on #pinebook pro. Yeah I know it is shipped with but I gone ahead and tried #armbian first. Simply because I could 😜 (25s ago)
<[TheBug]> Okay, so am I the only one that when Ben Zucker tweets that reads his handle as "DieZuckerberg", I swear I have done a doubletake a few times :Z
<Werner> Thankfully its german :)
<stipa> 18:34:12 ArmbianTwitter | @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰):
<[TheBug]> I know, I understand that as well, it is just the seeing out of corner of my eye at a glance
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): Running quite poor in comparison to Armbian. Mouse is lagging, scrolling could be (way) smoother. Not sure what the reason is. (23s ago)
<Werner> haha
<[TheBug]> and your brain is like, "Wait, what?!"
<stipa> -- Die Zucker bude
<ArmbianHelper> The sugar booth [de~>eng]
<Werner> Kind a sweet story
<stipa> well, manjaro is crappy
<stipa> has some stupid bugs
<Werner> no cpufrequtils preinstalled :(
<stipa> i wont mention last update that crashed who know how many computers because of the nvidia driver...
<stipa> drivers*
<stipa> screens blank on reboot after update
<stipa> ha ha
<stipa> they just don't care
<stipa> and they're popular
<stipa> massively
<stipa> no vonder Armbian works better
<stipa> on pinebook
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<Xogium> so… I know it's kinda OT but, for graphic card, basic graphic cards that is, what would you guys recommend ?
<Xogium> I want to build me some really nice computer bomb ;) but I don't care one bit about the gpu, and would only add one because the cpu I want has no integrated graphic
<stipa> go with the card that has open source driver
<Xogium> one of the most basics I saw is nvidia geforce 710, but I don't know how linux would handle it…
<Xogium> pc specialist has a rather nice selection, but they are very powerful cards, like 4 or 8 gb radeon, or rtx 3060/3090
<stipa> like go with the card which company gave out the source code of the driver
<stipa> Nvidia dosen't do that
<stipa> You're safer with AMD
<Xogium> hm
<stipa> don't know ho's with intel
<Xogium> lets see what's the cheapest I can find ;)
<[TheBug]> 710 is the generic pcie bottom end GPU for workstation
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<[TheBug]> if you wanted you can actually still get it at a brick and morrtor store like Best Buy here easily
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<[TheBug]> its supposed to be the 'base' GPU that is just enough to get things going
<[TheBug]> that said you can probably find a used GPU that is slightly nicer for around the same price if you were willing to take a chance on something used
<Xogium> cheapest amd card I see on pc specialist is amd radeon rx570
<Xogium> I stick to pc specialist because I honestly don't have a clue how I would even fit a gpu in a pc :p
<peterm6881> the RX 550 is much cheaper, and still a current model
<peterm6881> the RX 550 is the entry level gaming GPU in the AMD RX range
<Xogium> they don't have that one
<stipa> i have rx550 nad it works ok with manjaro xfce
<stipa> some tweaks are needed
<stipa> like turn off automatic screen lock
<stipa> if you don't it'll lock for good and needs a resstart..
<peterm6881> gh]987890]yuil;'ghjkl;'
<stipa> i have laptop with nvidia and it went blank on me after the update, so
<stipa> alos manjaro xfce
<peterm6881> ';ploiyu`./l,l;.,mk,./.';][p[l;/./.,kljl,..;poil;'/;lkjhk./.,m, µnbm,l;';olkjk,jhnm ,nm,.<>hujikolp;['
<stipa> amd survived that update, no worries
<peterm6881> oops
<peterm6881> oops
<peterm6881> coffe on keyboard
<peterm6881> :)
<stipa> lol
<Xogium> screen lock… As in automatic session locking ?
<Xogium> like if you don't do anything for a while
<Xogium> peterm6881: your keyboard must have caught covid
<peterm6881> :-O
<peterm6881> Xogium, luckily it survived :)
<Xogium> :p
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<Xogium> so as I see it, they offer a lot of nvidia, some amd radeon starting with that rx570, some radeon pro, and a bunch of quadro, whatever those are
<Xogium> seem to remember they are also nvidia, for some reason
<peterm6881> does it have to be PC Specialist?
<peterm6881> ahh, pre-built
<peterm6881> got it
<peterm6881> how much are they quoting for the RX570?
<stipa> Xogium: screen lock like you don't do anything and linux turns off the screen to save power, when you want to wake it up i doesn't happen, so ii turn screen lock off and screen is always on
<Xogium> about 200 euros
<peterm6881> hmm....
<peterm6881> email them and try for a custom build
<Xogium> stipa: oh, interesting. I didn,t know it could do that… I run ratpoison as window manager though, not a full DE, so I'm not sure this would apply
<peterm6881> you can definitely shave 100 Euros off that, if they will play ball
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<Xogium> well 200 euros is about the base price of the rx570 from what I read
<stipa> Xogium: it also log you out fro mthe session and saves power by turning the screen off
<peterm6881> Xogium: they should be able to fit a cheaper GPU on a special order
<stipa> Xogium: i guess because i don't know how it should actually work becasue it crashes
<peterm6881> They just don't publicise the fact
<stipa> Xogium: around 200 are cards in mid range market, like you can play a game on it without much stuttering
<Xogium> yeah, I figured
<peterm6881> Xogium: ask them if they will fit an RX550
<Xogium> I guess I could use it for AI learning or that kinda stuff
<Xogium> though not sure how good it would perform for that
<Xogium> but yeah will ask
<peterm6881> since they are buying direct from AMD, it shouldn't be a problem, they should be able to tag it onto their next order as a special order item. Just a thought. Good luck
<[TheBug]> Xogium: the 710 if cheap is 'good enough' I would think you should be able to find something in the 50-70$ USD range that could work for you
<peterm6881> Xogium, it would be good to strike up a relationship with them, so they can build it REALLY to your specifications
<Xogium> [TheBug]: yep, something like that… But frankly I've seen many nvidia stories about crashes and bugs so, yeah
<Xogium> wonder if amd's got an entry level card similar to the 710
<[TheBug]> Could be worse, could be an ARM GPU ;p
<[TheBug]> some Mali or PowerVR
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<Xogium> ugh, those
<peterm6881> Xogium, Nvidia is well supported in Linux, just not open source. Do you care about that for your application?
<Xogium> well supported, that doesn,t fit with what I read and what stipa just experienced :p
<peterm6881> I'm using an Nvidia 340 in Ubuntu, using driver 340.108. It's proprietary, but tested
<peterm6881> Lubuntu, sry
<Xogium> call it being parano, but I really want to get this workstation right first try, because I know I won't be able to toy inside the case if something goes bad and I have to switch gpu
<peterm6881> nouveau (/nuːˈvoʊ/) is a free and open-source graphics device driver for Nvidia video cards
<[TheBug]> make sense
<IgorPec> Tony_mac32: but 5.4.y can't be selected randomly. Which image do you build?
<peterm6881> Xogium, I take it PC Specialist have the 710?
<Xogium> yeah
* stipa Linus Torvalds To Nvidia - "Fuck You"
<peterm6881> how does it compare, price wise?
<Xogium> 710 is about 40 euros
<peterm6881> lol I don't think a company is automatically evil for not releasing their source code, it's commercially sensitive
<Xogium> its still bad imo
<peterm6881> so if you need an open source Nvidia driver, use Nouveau
<stipa> yeah, but when you're developing a new kernel and you cant peak into nvidia binary to fix stuff it's not nice
<stipa> even if they provide friver for linux it's a blob
<peterm6881> its your call, 40 Euros versus 200 Euros
<[TheBug]> what, you don't expect them to update their propieatary code on a regular basis do you? What blasphemy!
<[TheBug]> ;)
<IgorPec> also problem is probably because of trademark / patent issues
<Xogium> besides, if there's an equivalent amd entry level that is like the 710, I should be able to find it
<stipa> i tried novau or whatever open source nvdida driver on a gt730 and it's not nice, fan blowing at 100% all the time, had to go with nvidia blob...
<[TheBug]> whats funny is I think there is a replacement in the pipeline for the 710 to a 1010 here in the next quarter
<peterm6881> Xogium, have a chat with PC Specialist, they're gonna WANNA help you
<Tony_mac32> igorpec it was rockchip64 both times it happened, I somehow fell through the elif's I guess
<peterm6881> Xogium, a quick Google search threw up this: We believe that the nearest equivalent to GeForce GT 710 from AMD is Radeon HD 7570
<[TheBug]> how far did you fall?
<Xogium> [TheBug]: must have been damn far, I didn't even hear him fall
<Xogium> :p
<[TheBug]> lol
<peterm6881> :)
<peterm6881> fell between a Rockchip and a hard place
<[TheBug]> ba dum, tsss
* [TheBug] he will be heree all day folks
<peterm6881> Xogium, does PC Specialist have the Radeon HD 7570?
<peterm6881> I can't comment whether the driver for that is open source
<Xogium> would be surprised if they did, its end of life
<stipa> yeah, sounds old by the name of it
<Xogium> released in 2012
<stipa> " The open source AMD driver maintained in the kernel tree is the primary driver developed and supported by AMD. "
<stipa> what i would do is find where on internet AMD fanboys gather and ask if newest graphic cards from AMD work for them on linux...
<Xogium> yeah, that seems like a good plan
<Xogium> whatever went to replace the radeon hd serie, anyway
<Xogium> it's not like I'm gonna play big games that need the equivalent of a rtx 3090 from nvidia :p
<Xogium> playing movies and hd on youtube is about all I'd use it for
<Xogium> I much prefer focusing on cpu/ram/ssd performance
<stipa> right
<Xogium> fun times
<stipa> i hope tthey'll last
<Xogium> yeah, so do I
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<aggi> greetings
<[TheBug]> Hello
<aggi> picked up an rk3399 board (firefly), and tested armbian with it
<[TheBug]> schweeet
<aggi> indeed, neat board
<aggi> normally working with gentoo, but for testing and evaluation i tried armbian too
<aggi> anyhow, various questions arose, such as if any later kernel version than 4.4 is maintained for rk3399 variant boards
<[TheBug]> that seems a loaded question
<aggi> since this is what's mentioned, though i managed to boot this board with a gentoo stage3 entirely compiled from source, and latest kernel 5.9
<[TheBug]> cause only reason you would state that the way you did is if you are using the Legacy image release, which the answer would likely be, "No", but there newer images with Mainline should be released regularrly as well as be available in 'dev' under 'armbian-config'
<aggi> yes, i tried latest armbian image with kernel 5.9
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<[TheBug]> then you can run 'armbian-config' from command line
<IgorPec> they are, but firefly we don't officially support
<[TheBug]> and I believe select 'System'
<aggi> which didn't at least activate hdmi or USB keyboard (which isn't a problem) but in general i would like to know how rk3399 boards are supported
<[TheBug]> then choose option for kernels
<[TheBug]> wee offer different kernel states
<[TheBug]> . /versions
<[TheBug]> Ahh
<[TheBug]> IgorPec: so what kernels are not produced as regularly for CSC?
<IgorPec> for this specific board ... we don't know if its working as it should or not.
<[TheBug]> ahh I see
<[TheBug]> aggi: well glad you are here :D
<IgorPec> we do produce images and kernels
<IgorPec> but its not tested on hardware
<[TheBug]> IgorPec: seems we found a new tester ;p
* [TheBug] hopes aggi doesn't type /quit
<[TheBug]> :D
<IgorPec> haha
<aggi> so far it seems the firefly rk3399 board boots nicely now, with a self-made gentoo stage3 and kernel 5.9 (though some minor issues remain)
<aggi> a weird one being, for example, audio-codec for headphone-out doesn't activate if console-output on debug-uart 8250 is disabled... very strange
<IgorPec> you can build armbian from sources with many tweaks to kernel and user land
<IgorPec> aggi: that is overoptimistic
<IgorPec> mainline kernel is what you get - it boots
<aggi> it didn't
<aggi> IgorPec: I required a functional Kernel-Config and the armbian one wasn't helpful with this very specific setup
<IgorPec> armbian should boot, but can't say for sure since we don't maintin support
<aggi> and, in general the device trees seem to require some maintenance too (lacking SPDIF optical out yet, saradc A-D converter doesn't load etc...)
<[TheBug]> aggi: my understanding would be we don't have someone actively available to test and debug for this board -- so it is very likely what you saw there is limited because it is lacking in general -- if you have some time maybe being around here and offering to test will get some of the devs to help patch
<IgorPec> yes, we do that for other boards, just not for this one
<aggi> ok, does this apply to the firefly board only or are the boards labeled as 'supported' then at least booting? (can't buy all the variants of cause)
<IgorPec> only to this firefly board. we don't have hw and no resources to support it
<[TheBug]> aggi: there are different levels of support for boards, if the original manufacturer or someone sponsors the dev for their board specifically it is 'supported' in this case it is not and is 'CSC' I believe, means its best effort as we can find people to help and test etc
<IgorPec> supported hw is tested on real hw
<IgorPec> at least most of them
<aggi> ok, so i'll follow along with what armbian reports as supported, good to know
<[TheBug]> aggi: but since you have the board your testing and posting to the forum with any issues you see would be helpful
<IgorPec> CSC is just build with our machinery, but not tested
<IgorPec> some are cared by someone, some not
<[TheBug]> aggi: at least then when devs have time for review or someone has interest it can be looked into
<aggi> i am willing to fix it myself, but didn't know yet the status quo for rockchip, which seems to stick to kernel 4.4 mostly
<[TheBug]> 4.4 for VPU / GPU support, Mainline is more than stable on rk3399 if those are not required
<IgorPec> Rockchip legacy will stay there. Perhaps once they will move their propriatery stuff up, to 4.9 or 5.4
<[TheBug]> Been running Linux rockstorage 5.8.6-rockchip64 #20.08.1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 3 18:03:42 CEST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux stable on my RockPi 4c
<IgorPec> yeah, modern kernel is stable, just lack of features
<IgorPec> device trees are also messed up here and there
<aggi> i hadn't chosen the firefly anyway but i got it second hand cheap on ebay to test with first, and it was a hazzle to bootstrap latest gentoo on it
<aggi> and, it is equipped with some very interesting parts, such as the saradc (13MHz 10Bit A/D converter for data acquisition, which sadly doesn't activate yet with kernel 5.9)
<aggi> maybe we can sync occasionally, not sure where and how, at least i can say for sure the firefly 3399 board can be supported :)
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<IgorPec> well, welcome for a patch here and there
<IgorPec> you are welcome to use ours
<IgorPec> we do quite good rockchip know-how
<aggi> i'll probably write some wiki page or blog for publishing... i'll post the URL as soon as i got time, in essence it was only little required (minor changes to device tree and kernel config, besides gentoo specific cross development which is out of scope of armbian of cause)
<aggi> ttyl
<IgorPec> ok
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<ArmbianTwitter> @adamzea (Adam Z Lein): #Armbian on the #Pinebookpro is really pretty good! Even running from an SD card! (2s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @adamzea: #Armbian on the #Pinebookpro is really pretty good! Even running from an SD card! (13s ago)
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