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<lanefu>
archetech: you don't have good signal by the tree, you don't have campus wifi
<lanefu>
TRS-80: !
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* Tonymac32
thinks TRS-80 needs to catch up
<lanefu>
man is there a way to just like run firefox in framebuffer without stupid X
<archetech>
will run w/o X
<lanefu>
it will?
<archetech>
need a backend of some kind
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<archetech>
I like weston native myself then wayland/drm
<lanefu>
hmm
<archetech>
arch wiki
<lanefu>
if i had an N2+ then I could fiddle and figure out things on my N2
* lanefu
hates testing stuff on computers he uses to do stuff
<archetech>
they the same just diff dtb
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lanefu: did you finally embrace the tiling WM meme? XD
<TRS-80>
whip up a VM
<lanefu>
TRS-80: still on the backlog.. got pinebook pro and got distracted...
* lanefu
hopes to actual have armbian VMs for testing shit in the near-ish future
<TRS-80>
nice
<TRS-80>
I been pretty happy with i3 (gaps) it seems quite stable
<TRS-80>
then I got into rofi, and then my Elisp and rofi interests got together and I wrote rofi-in-elisp and that's one of my main interfaces now :D
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<archetech>
chewitt: you able/willing to pkg a kernel for acrh user (me)
<archetech>
arch
<archetech>
I could clone your amlogic branch if it was a little newer
<archetech>
then persuade lane to load a real distro so his N2 can work right on wayland
* archetech
runs
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<lanefu>
closer .......
<lanefu>
lane@odroidn2:~$ uname -a
<lanefu>
Linux odroidn2 5.9.8-meson64 #fixmytaco SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 10 20:13:17 EST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<lanefu>
for some F-ing reason it's moutning read only now..
<lanefu>
so thats annoying to remount
<lanefu>
but I've done my 15 minutes of odroidn2 today so moving on lol
<archetech>
for kicks you should load odroid ubu so ya see what all my gabbing has been about
<archetech>
and ya can run ffox on wayland which is really neat
<lanefu>
archetech: i think you should apply to be my intern
<lanefu>
and i'll have you fancy up all my desktops
<TRS-80>
IS archetech the resident ricer? :D
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<archetech>
ha you can be my server admin
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<archetech>
keep you away from the cubicles
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<Tonymac32>
trs-80 ROFL
<Tonymac32>
oh, he poofed out of existence
<lanefu>
man i tell ya I am all about bare metal provisioning
<lanefu>
that stuff is sweet
<archetech>
hmm ya mean like using Ghost ? Did that in 1993
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<archetech>
heh
<lanefu>
ghost multicast imaging was pretty sweet
<archetech>
I built dual boot images of win 95/NT351for a big gov contract
<archetech>
then an a ghost assembly line
<archetech>
but hey that's just ricin right
<lanefu>
only if you modded the startup screen with some new RLE files
<archetech>
I forget which one controlled the boot but it was pro job
<lanefu>
oh this will make you giggle
<archetech>
Compaq Pentium boxes
<lanefu>
I ran a BBS inside of Desqview
<archetech>
14.4 modem days
<lanefu>
yup it was lol
<archetech>
we were there at the beginning
<lanefu>
yup
<lanefu>
like any normal 13 year old I mowed lawns to may for multitasking software and shareware cdroms for my BBS
<lanefu>
s/may/pay/
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: like any normal 13 year old I mowed lawns to pay for multitasking software and shareware cdroms for my BBS
<ArmbianTwitter>
@thomasjsn (Thomas Jensen): Monitor at my electronics work area for datasheets and schematics. Powered by @thepine64 #rockpro64 and @armbian https://t.co/qCt5Gm5USR (13s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): RT @thomasjsn: Monitor at my electronics work area for datasheets and schematics. Powered by @thepine64 #rockpro64 and @armbian https://t.c… (13s ago)
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<archetech>
still on the pipe eh
<archetech>
get help
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<chewitt>
archetech for the sake of asking .. what is it that you'd want built?
<chewitt>
I'm a bit of a n00b when it comes to compiling anything except LibreELEC
<archetech>
hi not build just be able to run panfrost on armbian bullseye
<chewitt>
Any illusion you're under that i'm a developer is testament to how well the LE build-system works, not my l33t sk1llz
<archetech>
lol np ya got a git repo so that says ya not a beginner
<chewitt>
for a start, I have no real clue what bullseye is :)
<archetech>
its the dev version of debian that armbian uses
<chewitt>
ahh, more clever codenames
<chewitt>
I do numbers, not names
<chewitt>
much easier
<archetech>
its ok im not a dev either
<archetech>
so if you have a kernel that has panfrost and works on bub/dev I can try it
<archetech>
bub=ubu
<archetech>
bub=ubu/deb
<archetech>
for N2
<archetech>
amlogic being the repo I see
<archetech>
or master or w/e
<archetech>
bulls=deb11
<c0rnelius>
Bullseye is essentially just testing I believe and unstable is Sid.
<archetech>
these guys are stuck llvmpipe
<archetech>
on
<chewitt>
I only build uImage kernels with embedded init (for LE)
<archetech>
they dont even have mali_kbase for their de's
<chewitt>
c0rnelius let me know if it works .. I never use those files directly, I just cache them in the LE image build process and sync them with images
<archetech>
ive got panfrost now with new kernel but its not being used
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<archetech>
I suspect tis mesa
<archetech>
it's
<ArmbianTwitter>
@kruthoff (Andreas Kruthoff): @armbian @xfceofficial @linuxfoundation I‘m happy to see the recent progress on #armbian for #OdroidN2(+). (7s ago)
<[TheBug]>
yeah seems like would be awesome to change at least one of them over and play with it
<buZz>
maemo leste also supports n900
<[TheBug]>
yeah hehe
<[TheBug]>
have a buddy with a few of those
<[TheBug]>
why I thought of them when I saw that video
<[TheBug]>
hes been running Linux on em for a while
<buZz>
n900 never really ran anything beside linux
<buZz>
there's some android ports but nobody uses them really
<buZz>
maemo is just debian with x11 and a weird window manager
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<c0rnelius>
and Pi hate just goes on and on... You know the Pi4 runs on mainline now?
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<IgorPec>
c0rnelius what about pi users
<IgorPec>
:)
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<c0rnelius>
I'm not gonna say ur wrong. They are on off bunch :)
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<c0rnelius>
But most of them are kids, as it is a kids toy for the most part and it's seems this new 400 is trying to market to schools and computer labs. Which is fine... I guess? It is nice to see that they are at least trying to join the club and get the latest releases running on par with other boards. As far as mainline is concerned.
<c0rnelius>
I'm pretty sure they get some kind of subsidies from the UK which is why they're doing this.
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<archetech>
take a N2/C4 with armbian focal bump it to groovy and swap out the uboot kernel and mesa for odroids ya get gnome wayland on mail blobs
<archetech>
much better than staock armb on llvmpipe
<archetech>
stock*
<archetech>
my tip for the day
<stipa>
those kids will one day be engineers who will deploy raspberry pi's running python into factories to automate stuff because they don't want to learn anything else.
<stipa>
they teach python at MIT
<stipa>
python simply aint for serious stuff, maybe for hobbyists and prototyping
<c0rnelius>
My thing is this... I bought an SBC for my youngest. Why would I buy him an odroid n2/+ when I know support and the adult base those boards not forgiving. If he had questions or didn't understand for the most part people would just be rude to him. Whats he gonna go on to Armbian and ask for help? come on! and by the way no offense, but its not the most polite place to get answers sometimes. So a
<c0rnelius>
Pi4 was an easy choice for me to make.
<c0rnelius>
for those*
<c0rnelius>
Do I think its a better board? Of course not... But as far as a learning tool and getting him into Linux I sure do believe its a better choice. When it comes to basics.
<IgorPec>
archetech: did i told you that tips are worthless
<IgorPec>
if you have no resources to implement
<archetech>
you dont know who may have read that
<IgorPec>
i see how much is beeing picket up
<IgorPec>
there are a lot of people like you on forums
<archetech>
darn right there are
<IgorPec>
but very very little people that follow the idea
<IgorPec>
since that part is usually pain
<archetech>
and Ive seen alot of action for what ive doing this month on odroid
<archetech>
been
<archetech>
as you know theres now groovy and a panfrost thread
<IgorPec>
i put this desktop on hold for a few weeks
<IgorPec>
we have to come out with a release
<IgorPec>
then prepare desktop skeleton for easy hacking
<archetech>
has nuttin to do with a user here doin a fun improvemnt to their odroid sbc
<archetech>
im sure the release will be a nice one though
<IgorPec>
well, its one of those must done tasks
<IgorPec>
not as fancy as 3d desktop
<IgorPec>
but without it you can't have stable 3d desktop
<archetech>
yup
* archetech
loves a solid new base
<archetech>
the groovy base is solid
<[TheBug]>
thats what she said
<stipa>
c0rnelius: Armbian support ain't some blondie with silicone tits it's a real engineer.
<IgorPec>
groovy base is not exactly solid :)
<IgorPec>
i was doing quite a lot of groovy testing and ... i can't say its there yet
<archetech>
for a dev release it is imo
<IgorPec>
but usable for playing around
<IgorPec>
yeah, i forget you are arch user ;)
<IgorPec>
stability has different meaning
<archetech>
for sure
<c0rnelius>
stipa: ur just proving my point. but not all users are adults and nor are they all engineers.
<archetech>
ubu dev rel = arch 3 months ago
<IgorPec>
and arch is armbian one year ago
<archetech>
no comment
<stipa>
c0rnelius: your youngest could easily find a solution on Armbian forum and it could fit nicely with his rpi, that's Linux to some extent
<IgorPec>
arch: you only see N2
<archetech>
I see plenty more goin on
<IgorPec>
but you see allwinner as pointless
<c0rnelius>
allwinner rocks!
<IgorPec>
where is actually that huge advanatage in term of code and know-how
<c0rnelius>
stipa: the kid is 12... I'd rather him not be subjected to some of the Armbian shenanigans I've witnessed.
<IgorPec>
some rockchip and a little, perhaps nothing in amlogic
<c0rnelius>
for that matter... the Pi garbage either :D but seemed like the lesser of two evils ;)
<stipa>
c0rnelius: just block it in the firewall...
<[TheBug]>
linux-sunxi is the reason I got into SBCs to begin with
<IgorPec>
for me A20
<[TheBug]>
just because of all the communities they are the one that actually has a lot of information publicly available
<[TheBug]>
yeah I started with an A10
<[TheBug]>
I still have 2 of them in a box somewhere
<IgorPec>
i have one running
<IgorPec>
:)
<[TheBug]>
Have an A20 also BPi
<[TheBug]>
and H3, H5, v3s
<[TheBug]>
:D
<Tonymac32>
Wello hello friends, and anyone else
<IgorPec>
hellow!
<Tonymac32>
stipa perhaps we keep the conversation to "silicon" and avoid "silicone" :)
<Tonymac32>
that said I hold the RPi as a learning tool
<Tonymac32>
that was it's purpose, and is still it's purpose
<IgorPec>
stipa is running secret plan of cutifying armbian aka get chicks to armbian
<Tonymac32>
it has no other value, nor should it be expected to
<Tonymac32>
IgorPec LOL
<IgorPec>
yeah, well we are dead serious
<IgorPec>
to mitigate this ego boosting linux macho figts
<c0rnelius>
:)
<Tonymac32>
That's honestly where all of their problems come from, they try to make the learning tool a server, or try to make the learning tool a production machine controller
<IgorPec>
if we fail, it can't be worse :)
<Tonymac32>
I have 2 of them ( I remembered there was another) running right now haha
<Tonymac32>
(I haev a Lora gateway and a Volumio music player)
<IgorPec>
btw. tonymac32 today is my 3rd day schooling kids at home (alone!)
<c0rnelius>
I use a pi3a+ as a music player :) works great.
<Tonymac32>
you are still alive, this is a good sign :)
<IgorPec>
yeah, but getting attached to crazy ideas :)
<Tonymac32>
I only use the Pi 2, the 3 was horrible the last time I touched one, it's why I abandoned them
<c0rnelius>
yea the 3B was and is complete shit.
<Tonymac32>
and the 4 does not look to be an incredible achievemnt
* IgorPec
only has 3b somewhere :)
<Tonymac32>
I have 2 of them, I bought a bunch to do stuff with, and then they were terrible
<Tonymac32>
:D
<c0rnelius>
nah its not, but like I said at least you don't need to run foundation kernel junk on it to run.
<c0rnelius>
so its an improvement in that way
<Tonymac32>
for beginners the Pi's are fine
<Tonymac32>
I shot down a project in my company to use them in manufacturing plants
<Tonymac32>
I have some experience in these things, and just mentioned vendor lock-in
<Tonymac32>
if an Opi doesn't fit you can switch to another vendor's H3 board
<Tonymac32>
or RK3399, etc
<Tonymac32>
if the Pi has a problem or they stop selling board (who knows), poof
<Tonymac32>
that SoC is gone forever
<archetech>
we all have our reasons-preferences in sbc's the consensus ive seen around is odroids are corvettes allwin/rockchip doge omni's :)
<archetech>
dodge
<Tonymac32>
much rust very slow
<Tonymac32>
doge
<archetech>
lots of breakage
<c0rnelius>
archetech: you just got desktop fever ;)
<archetech>
c0rnelius, guilty
<archetech>
some like nas I like de
<Tonymac32>
The S922X is a beefy processor, the RK3399 is as well
<Tonymac32>
the 3328 is a disappointment thanks to Rockchips and their lack of mainlining
<c0rnelius>
hey i like them all... but I do accept limitations.
<Tonymac32>
for that particular part
<Tonymac32>
I have almost every one of them at this point, some I use, some I don't
<Tonymac32>
of course now that I have I2S working on Libre Computer Tritium H2+ board it might get some use
<c0rnelius>
Tonymac32: aren't they coming out with a rev2 for the Potato?
<Tonymac32>
rumor has it
<Tonymac32>
I need to get my hands on one
<Tonymac32>
:)
<c0rnelius>
yeah me too
<c0rnelius>
solid lil board
<c0rnelius>
i have two of them
<c0rnelius>
rev1 that is
<Tonymac32>
I figured :)
<archetech>
c0rnelius, "What can I say..I like little computers" still find that very succinct
<Tonymac32>
I have a NanoPi K2 and Odroid C2, both were nice, the K2 was too early to market and FriendlyARM only does so much software dev
<Tonymac32>
the C2 was earlier, but Odroid really spent some time making it work
<Tonymac32>
comparatively speaking
<c0rnelius>
archetech: they are very sexy.
<c0rnelius>
I gots this C4 but i gotta say... I'm not overly impressed.
<archetech>
I dont name my cars or personize tech but ok
<Tonymac32>
If baylibre had been mainlining stuff for Amlogic at the point the K2 came out it would have done much better
<Tonymac32>
the C4 is S905X2?
<Tonymac32>
I don't have one
<c0rnelius>
I'm assuming it would make a good media box or something or a NAS, but other than that. Not impressed
<Tonymac32>
yeah, the S905X/2/3/4 are all media box processors, but so is the H series
<Tonymac32>
from amlogic
<c0rnelius>
i think its X3?
<archetech>
C4 gets good reviews its nicely balanced
<Tonymac32>
Amlogic released too many generations in rapid succession, I don't even know
<archetech>
take a C4 over a rpi4
<c0rnelius>
archetech: its a nice a board and very good looking... but looks only go so far.
<c0rnelius>
archetech: ctually compile speeds are way faster on a pi4
<Tonymac32>
yeah it's X3
<c0rnelius>
actually*
<Tonymac32>
well that makes sense, the Pi4 is all A72's
<c0rnelius>
yeap
<Tonymac32>
the C4 is A55's
<c0rnelius>
right again
<Tonymac32>
so little cores trying to fight big cores
<Tonymac32>
it's like the Pi 2 trying to arm wrestle a Tinker Board
<c0rnelius>
the C4 runs super cool though
<archetech>
c4 has a G31
<archetech>
good gpu
<Tonymac32>
that is a common theme with the quad core littles from Amlogic in my experience, they seem to run cool
<archetech>
bifrost!
<archetech>
and it dont get hot
<c0rnelius>
at the end of the day I'm gonna replace one of the potatoes with it, which I run as Kodi boxes.
<c0rnelius>
i mean a guess a nas option is there, but I already have one.
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<archetech>
I put a laptop sata drive on usb3 of my rock64 w/ OMV ~65MB/s done with it
<Tonymac32>
I'm waiting on a helios64 to make it across the ocean to replace my XU4 + Raid tower
<archetech>
if I get antsy ill get a$20 ssd for it some day
<Tonymac32>
haha
<archetech>
yeah I like that new helios
<archetech>
but I like the new HC4 more for wayyy less $
<Tonymac32>
I don't know how it will be, but the enclosure is nice enough even if I have to swap the guts
<Tonymac32>
I have a 4-bay setup now, this one coming is a 5
<Tonymac32>
The HC4 is 2
<archetech>
2 is all I ned
<archetech>
need
<Tonymac32>
great for a lot of things, but didn't fit my needs