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<Tony_mac32>
RK3399 was a chromebook processor, like the RK3288
<Tony_mac32>
I have seen it in a tablet or two, but the power hungry beastie was intended to be strapped to a bigger power supply
<nekomancer[m]>
common love to sudo totally insane. that goal to place it everywhere. silver bullet. panacea.
<Tony_mac32>
sudo su
<nekomancer[m]>
sudo su -
<nekomancer[m]>
but why should I do it at all, if no other human users required, and no tasks other that administration on computer performed?
<nekomancer[m]>
it's like «best practices» for password complexity
<nekomancer[m]>
no one human can safely follow it — but it's not a recommender's problem.
<nekomancer[m]>
sudo on routers, on single task servers — for what? — because of fuck you!
<nekomancer[m]>
someone smart somewhere did this recommendation for some envirounment
<nekomancer[m]>
then idiots think it will be good for all everywhere everytime.
<nekomancer[m]>
and now we have tons of admins who know "it is good" from school.
<archetech>
I blame Ubu
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<sensille>
after upgrade from stretch to buster the kernel did not get updated. a manual update shows as sourse https://imola.armbian.com/apt stretch/main. is this expected? imola.armbian.com is not part of sources.list
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<IgorPec>
sensille: apt.armbian.com is round robin redirector on our mirrors
<IgorPec>
with armbian, kernel is 1st class citizen .. userland does not matter
<IgorPec>
if you had stretch with kernel Y it will remain kernel Y on buster, you need to switch it via armbian-config or by hand
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<khelair>
Hi everybody. Just got the latest stable armbian set up on my cubieboard2 here. I was wondering, when I run nand-sata-install, I'm not getting the option to boot from NAND and have primary storage/filesystem on SD; in fact I've only got one option available, and that's Install/Update the bootloader on SD/eMMC, which is _really_ not the configuration that I'd like at all here.. Is there any way I can
<khelair>
go about changing this?
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<TRS-80>
Good morning
<stipa>
gday
<lanefu>
mornin
* TRS-80
sips coffee
* TRS-80
nods
* lanefu
sips coffee from his armbian mug
<TRS-80>
thinking about getting some swag, actually :)
<[TheBug]>
khelair: allwinner SoC will always prefer booting SDcard anyways if you have one present, so if you are gonna run the whole system from SDcard to begin with, then there is no reason not just to have the bootloader, etc on the SDcard as well
<TRS-80>
I didn't realize we sold Armbian panties
<[TheBug]>
khelair: even if you wan to run on emmc and you decide you want to have sdcard present for storage, as will still prefer sdcard you will still likely need uboot and such on the sdcard still and set to load root from correct device
<[TheBug]>
khelair: hope that helps, bbl
<IgorPec>
TRS-80: i only carry armbian pants and socks :)
<TRS-80>
IgorPec: look at pic lanefu posted, lol
<IgorPec>
haha :) thats the spirit!
<khelair>
thank you TheBug, the info is appreciated
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<TRS-80>
any other fans of Harbor Freight in here (I would guess maybe lanefu and/or Tony)?
<lanefu>
duh
<TRS-80>
I wrote some script to download hfqpdb.com website every morning. It also parse my todo.txt file for certain keyword and lot numbers and compare the two. If any matches I receive an XMPP message like: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f277c4e1/
<TRS-80>
It runs every morning at this time, the message just popped up. :)
<stipa>
There's a stoner guy on freenode who buys weed that way
<stipa>
on discounts
<stipa>
at first i din't even know what he was taking about, later i realized it's news about discounts in various shops
<lanefu>
TRS-80: uhmmm i want this
<TRS-80>
lanefu: Maybe this motivate me to post it somewhere finally, lol
<lanefu>
uhh yeah
<TRS-80>
Been meaning to. It's been working fine for me for some time now. And I even reach out to hfqpdb.com guy and he is OK with it.
<lanefu>
so this scrapes a scraper
<TRS-80>
hfqpdb is not a scraper, rather a site where people post (scans of) coupons
<TRS-80>
searchable by lot number, name, you should check it out if you are not familiar
<TRS-80>
it does a little scraping I guess, it will pull the current price of an item and tell you if you are better off using a 20% coupon instead of an item coupon
<[TheBug]>
Or just find an old serial / vga kvm switch and rip the guts out, those boxes are usually just about the right size for an SBC ;D
<[TheBug]>
I think I have an A10 + a 2.5" hard drive in one somewhere
<rneese>
a10 wow old cpu
<rneese>
allwinner cpu
<stipa>
old is gold
<buZz>
allwinner a10 ftw
<buZz>
hw sata ftw
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<cpu0-on-fire>
heya guys :) I've been trying to get wifi working on my orange pi 0, and unfortunately every time I run 'ip l set wlan0 up' it responds with invalid argument. I grabbed the firmware for xr819 directly from armbian, and I also built the latest commit for the kernel module. I was wondering if armbian has patches on top of the kernel to somehow make this work ? I couldn't find anything in the
<cpu0-on-fire>
repositories on github. Can someone give me some hints/help with this ? I would appreciate it very much. I'm using buildroot
<cpu0-on-fire>
feel free to redirect me to another channel if this isn't proper :)
<cpu0-on-fire>
the repo I use for the kernel module is this one
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: Specifically, I am not sure, although in general often that is the case as we do apply a lot of patches.
<cpu0-on-fire>
I'm not sure. I don't have ethernet :/ I'm too far from the router
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: come on man
<TRS-80>
It says right on main page https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-zero/ "Onboard wireless module (XR819) has poor software support so wireless connection issues are expected"
<cpu0-on-fire>
yes
<cpu0-on-fire>
and yet I know people had it working, plus, it currently works on armbian
<cpu0-on-fire>
I'm trying to reproduce this on buildroot
<TRS-80>
Does it work? So you are saying that note is out of date?
<cpu0-on-fire>
poor support howerver, I definitely agree on that
<cpu0-on-fire>
I don't think its out of date, exactly
<cpu0-on-fire>
the software itself should run, but problems can be expected
<stipa>
cpu0-on-fire: ifconfig eth0 up
<stipa>
does it spit the same error?
<cpu0-on-fire>
stipa: ah, that works even without a cable plugged in ? Nice
<cpu0-on-fire>
leme try
<cpu0-on-fire>
nop
<cpu0-on-fire>
no error
<stipa>
is your wifi card actually wlan0? check with 'iwconfig' command
<cpu0-on-fire>
yeah it is
<stipa>
ok
<cpu0-on-fire>
I tripple checked, and also nm is complaining up a storm about it
<stipa>
hang around, maybe someone can help
<TRS-80>
or make forum post, you may get better response that way
<cpu0-on-fire>
heh, will hang around, that's no problem
<cpu0-on-fire>
I wasn't sure I would be well received, given this is specific to armbian, but I didn,t know where to ask anymore ;)
<TRS-80>
It IS or IS NOT specific to Armbian?
<cpu0-on-fire>
I mean, for all I know its because of some obscure gcc optimisation or god knows what else that differ in my build that's causing this to fail
<cpu0-on-fire>
I specified in my original question, plus at least one more time that my issue was that I try to replicate what armbian did to get the wifi working, on buildroot
<TRS-80>
OK I guess buildroot is not Armbian (I am not a dev, just try to help out)
<cpu0-on-fire>
no no
<cpu0-on-fire>
its okay :)
<cpu0-on-fire>
buildroot is a tool that generates linux based OS directly from source
<cpu0-on-fire>
a bit like lfs, but far less complicated, using kconfig and make
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<nihilazo>
hi, I'm having trouble with armbian on my odroid-HC4, it won't boot. The card gets monunted but doesn't boot, other images seem to work fine
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: Maybe try import known working (vanila) Armbian setup into buildroot and see if it works, before making any changes?
<cpu0-on-fire>
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, that was not my intention at all; I've been at this for at least a full day right now, so I'm not as patient as I was when I started. But that was no reason to sound nasty and I'm really sorry
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: you don't sound nasty to me
<cpu0-on-fire>
hehe great then :) I'm glad I don't sound nasty
<cpu0-on-fire>
at the point where I'm at, I might as well try that, put the kernel config of armbian in there and see whatever comes up of it
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: then make incremental changes, just a thought
<cpu0-on-fire>
yeah, trying to narrow down where it all goes to hell
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<TRS-80>
I am not sure if builroot accepts exact config or how that works / translates, but it's probably a more solid path, generally speaking
<TRS-80>
cpu0-on-fire: If you get it working, make a blog or forum post, I am sure others might be iunterested?
<TRS-80>
nihilazo: If no one reply in here, maybe you add your $0.02 to that post (and maybe do anyway)
<cpu0-on-fire>
:) yep will certainly do that
<cpu0-on-fire>
I'm all for helping others
<cpu0-on-fire>
besides that, if it really fails… If the armbian kernel config doesn't solve the problem, then it must mean there are patches on top somehow
<TRS-80>
Armbian is usually pretty cutting edge (depending on dev time and support level) but this is a Supported board, so...
<TRS-80>
you may need t odig / investigate, whatever you find, please report back
<TRS-80>
i.e., a forum post, patch if appropriate, etc.
<cpu0-on-fire>
sure
<cpu0-on-fire>
for what its worth, I did a strace if ip link back then although I guess it wouldn,t be useful to anyone but actual devs
<TRS-80>
put it in dev area, since it's supported board; forums are full of such little nuggets
<TRS-80>
someone come by years later and find it, etc.
<cpu0-on-fire>
http://ix.io/2Evo in case someone feels like having a look ;)
<cpu0-on-fire>
aye, I shall
<cpu0-on-fire>
I'm no coder, but building a system is generally no big deal, unless I hit a nasty showstopper like this one here
<stipa>
it looks to me like an SBC marketed to NAS Market.
<[TheBug]>
nihilazo: does it freeze after trying to start the ramdisk?
<cpu0-on-fire>
stipa: its about it, yes
<[TheBug]>
nihilazo: do you have output you can pastebin?
<nihilazo>
I posted that forum thread, my output is almost the same with a few numbers different
<nihilazo>
like, a few id
<nihilazo>
although it shouldn't be a problem, I found another debian image that will work for what I need other than armbian
<[TheBug]>
nihilazo: if it was me I would try switching out the uinitrd with one from older image / kernel -- I had some experiences with other SBC where something similar happen cause something is broken in the initrd, using older version resulted in working -- couldx for sure be a bug but thats possibly one way you can test
<stipa>
We would be lost without that brave souls!
<[TheBug]>
if it is initrd issue then at least it can be reported and maybe someone can work to fix it -- could also have to do with different revisions of the board as well, where I have seen a board like ESPRESSOBin which has v4,v5 and v7 where new image will boot on v5 but not v7 or on v4 and v5 but is broken on v7... why I say its not so uncommon per se
<[TheBug]>
(caused by uinitrd incompatability)
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* DigitalMan1983_
is now an official Armbian subscriber :)
<Werner>
Woohoo \o/
<TRS-80>
dun na na naaaaaa
* DigitalMan1983_
takes a bow
<DigitalMan1983_>
I need a fanfare to follow me around wherever I go
<DigitalMan1983_>
to announce every insignificant, mundane task
<DigitalMan1983_>
like peeling a banana....or tying my shoe
<TRS-80>
a hype man
<TRS-80>
like boxers have
<DigitalMan1983_>
lol
<DigitalMan1983_>
WHAT?! YEYEAH! C'MON!
<DigitalMan1983_>
you just got all up in that bananas business!
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<stipa>
i'll be your fan
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<stipa>
2999$ per month
<stipa>
for thousand more i'll dream about you!
<stipa>
for 4999$ i'll do a tatoo of your face on my butt
<stipa>
for 5999$ I'll start a sect in your name
<DigitalMan1983_>
How much to get a tattoo of my butt on your face?
<[TheBug]>
ROFL
<stipa>
7999$
<DigitalMan1983_>
only 8 grand? that's a bargain
<stipa>
per month
<[TheBug]>
can we reffer to you as 'assface' as well?
<IgorPec>
what's going on? :)
<DigitalMan1983_>
well yeah, you can't wash that shit off after a month
<[TheBug]>
rofl
<DigitalMan1983_>
LOL hi Igor, we were just discussing Armbian subscriptions
<initbasti[m]1>
😀
<IgorPec>
LOL
<DigitalMan1983_>
it's another interesting day in the IRC channel, yesterday was a political debate :)
<IgorPec>
i was budy, didn't even try to read
<IgorPec>
s/budy/busy
<ArmbianHelper>
IgorPec meant to say: i was busy, didn't even try to read
<IgorPec>
infrastructure maintanace
<DigitalMan1983_>
I was only half paying attention but it was a healthy debate :)
<IgorPec>
good, any victims? :)
<stipa>
DigitalMan1983_: I'll peel skin from my face with your tatoo on it and transplant new skin from the ass when you stop with payments.
<DigitalMan1983_>
LOL!!!!!
<stipa>
i have plan for everything
<DigitalMan1983_>
because who knows when the day will come where you suddenly need to decide whether to have someone's ass on your face....or their face on yours
<DigitalMan1983_>
oh my god i just read what I typed
<stipa>
you're spot on!
* DigitalMan1983_
clicks refresh for the 700th time expecting the release version of Olimex's images to change...
<DigitalMan1983_>
I was promised MIDI in the next release
<DigitalMan1983_>
of course I'll probably find something else that needs to be enabled in kernel configuration
<stipa>
MIDI ?
<stipa>
don't tell me you're a synth guy...
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<DigitalMan1983_>
I am THE synth guy
<[TheBug]>
coo coo cachoo
<DigitalMan1983_>
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
<DigitalMan1983_>
Fluidsynth wants ALSA sequencer enabled to take MIDI input
<DigitalMan1983_>
currently the one shortcoming of Olimex's released builds
<DigitalMan1983_>
(as far as I can tell anyway)
<DigitalMan1983_>
of course when you allow your users to edit the kernel configuration during the course of building an image, they can just enable it themselves.....OLIMEX....
<DigitalMan1983_>
that's what makes Armbian so attractive when a released image doesn't "just work"
<nekomancer[m]>
dark synth'1983
<stipa>
DigitalMan1983_: you are a 'puredata' soul, i can feel it...
<[TheBug]>
now now, keep your hands inside the vehicle at all time!
<DigitalMan1983_>
LOL
<stipa>
i haven't come across Fluidsynth
<stipa>
first word today
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<stipa>
hmmm, what would be the easiest way to get 'sqlite3.h' file? fatal error: sqlite3.h: No such file or directory , i'm trying to compile hostapd 2.9
<rneese>
thisis cool you can add a power button to the n2/n2+
<nekomancer[m]>
and somewhere around wake-up timer can be cobfigured, but dtb work required
<rneese>
yesbut nice to know there is a option
<rneese>
but I have to work on a ups board for the n2
<stipa>
macos sux, they drop support and you can fuck yourself,you can't install new chrome for example and stuff like that, i have an old macbook with dosdude1 hack.
<rneese>
cool
<TRS-80>
stipa: I hope you learn your lesson about proprietary hardware / software! :)
<rneese>
I have been looking at finnding a arm chrome book to make a linux laptop but I need atleast 4 gig ram and 32/64 gig emmc
<stipa>
TRS-80: Apple is wining it
<stipa>
they're the worst
<TRS-80>
stipa: I agree! In fact, the irony of that 1984 Apple commercial right about now... :D
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<stipa>
haha
<TRS-80>
you remember it?
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<stipa>
yeah, it's very popular
<emOne>
16gb is what apple laptops used a decade ago
<stipa>
video software eats ram like there's no tomorrow
<stipa>
Adobe stuff
<emOne>
all the ram is now inside th SOC
<stipa>
I didn't know that
<stipa>
that's cool
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<nekomancer[m]>
<rneese "but I have to work on a ups boar"> isn't around generic 201x-designed ups board? configurable size and type of batteries, output and input voltage, usb and/or uart interface for diagnostic and management. Is it so complicated for the beginning of 21st century?
<DigitalMan1983_>
how does one go about applying a dts overlay?
<DigitalMan1983_>
is it an overlays= in the armbianEnv.txt?
<rneese>
sorrywas asleep
<rneese>
knee was hurting so I layed down
<rneese>
for the most part the ops for a n2 should not be hard
<rneese>
I just have to put it in eagle ca and do it
<rneese>
bbiab
<rneese>
dnner tim
<rneese>
time
<fromport>
any suggestion for usb wifi dongles for sbc's that don't have them built in?
<TRS-80>
something atheros, so you can run it completely in freedom
<fromport>
ty
<TRS-80>
There are actually practical benefits, too. For instance, no need for drivers/firmware when booting Live CD / USB...
<TRS-80>
I mean, there are certain Atheros (not all) so check
<TRS-80>
that are available with completelt free drivers
<nekomancer[m]>
<DigitalMan1983_ "is it an overlays= in the armbia"> only on rockchips with mainline uboot yet
<TRS-80>
That sounds familiar, that chipset. Let me try and find the list I was working from. Another way is go to some hardware vendor like ThinkPenguin that sells only FSF certified gear, and see what they sell.
<rneese>
there aare loads of dongles but look at the supported hardware list first
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<khelair>
hello everybody. Can anyone help me figure out what /dev/ device an external drive is being added as? I'm not able to find notice of it in any of the logs or anything :|
<nekomancer[m]>
try lsblk
<nekomancer[m]>
but if nothing in logs — ho hope.
<khelair>
oh... yeah it looks like I've got a hosed USB port on this cubieboard2. there should be something now, the drive lights came on that time. heh