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<LanDi> I'm trying to format a usb stick here but it says I can not cause it is a file system read only
<LanDi> how can I solve this?
<lanefu> umount it first
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<TRS-80> Evening
<lanefu> howdy
<LanDi> lanefu, it's umounted
<lanefu> whats lsblk say
<TRS-80> Do I need to do anything manually to upgrade kernel (on Cubietruck)?
<lanefu> usb is /dev/sdb?
<LanDi> yes
<lanefu> how are you trying to format it?
<LanDi> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
<LanDi> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb': Read-only file system
<lanefu> as root?
<lanefu> via sudo?
<LanDi> as root
<lanefu> whats dmesg -T say
<LanDi> wait, forget the -T
<LanDi> now it's correct https://hastebin.com/hijecetefo.yaml
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<lanefu> LanDi:look at Line 395-402
<LanDi> lanefu, yes, looks like it's write protected, but how can I remove this?
<lanefu> look at the device name
<lanefu> `sda`
<lanefu> so why is is showing as sda in dmesg and then sdb in lsblk
<LanDi> lanefu, I changed the pc
<LanDi> thats why the device name changed
<LanDi> sorry
<lanefu> yeah not helpful
<LanDi> forgot to say that
<LanDi> it's plugged back in my banana pi, I was trying to format it on my arch box
<lanefu> anyway not sure what to do on write protect... either there's some sort of physical thing going on, or some sort of magic you need to do
<lanefu> cleary not anythig armbian specific
<LanDi> i see, but it started with all of this running on armbian
<LanDi> that's why I came here
<LanDi> but I will keep searching
<lanefu> yeah sorry let us know what you figure out
<TRS-80> So, I noticed recently, somehow I am still on very old kernel on my Cubietruck, latest stable download is 5.something, which is way newer.
<TRS-80> Aand... I do not appear to have armbian-config present? Not sure what is going on here. :/
<TRS-80> Reading through forum in meantime, no ideas yet. Should I make a forum post instead?
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<lanefu> TRS-80: install armbian-config I imagine you were principled and chose to use a minimal image
<lanefu> also armbianmonitor -u
<TRS-80> I think yeah it was Debian stable server image IIRC? Sound right?
<TRS-80> I thought they all had armbian-config though?
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<TRS-80> So, I do need to manual change kernel using armbian-config then? It doesn't just upgrade like regular Debian?
<TRS-80> OK, yeah, so armbian-config was /not/ installed after all (it is now). Thanks lanefu
<TRS-80> OK, so it download 60 packages and now I have a long list of kernels. Hmm. This is the normal way (sorry if that's dumb question, I never noticed this before)?
<TRS-80> Maybe because I re-installed on my ODROIDs along the way, whereas I have been steadily running and upgrading the cubietruck the whole time.
<lanefu> armbianmonitor -u plz
<TRS-80> ok, sorry
<TRS-80> I should do armbianmonitor with sudo? I got some permission errors.
<lanefu> yup
<TRS-80> ok
<TRS-80> maybe should have pm, oh well
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<lanefu> BRANCH=next
<lanefu> its following old naming convention
<TRS-80> So, can I just pick latest stable in armbian-config and be off t ot he races? Or anything else I need to do? Upgrade to some intermediate kernel first perhaps?
<lanefu> dunno if intermediat step... uhmm 80% chance it works
<TRS-80> There was a really long time where I did not upgrade Debian, probably how this happened I am guessing.
<lanefu> for kernel types do you see -current and -dev options?
<TRS-80> yes I do
<lanefu> go with -current
<lanefu> and i guess the newest 5.8 kernel
<TRS-80> There are a lot of choices. Corrent, dev, and legacy.
<lanefu> 1 sec
<TRS-80> Yeah current is 5.8.16
<TRS-80> Pretty sure I don't want legacy, this has always been a server. That's for like graphics usually, right?
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<lanefu> choose current
<lanefu> do that one
<TRS-80> OK, what are chances of success? :D
<lanefu> 80%
<TRS-80> This is "production" box
<lanefu> sweet so it's backed up then
<TRS-80> I will back up my Prosody (XMPP server) config, just in case. That's the only real service I need to keep up (other people use it).
<TRS-80> BTW, main Internet went down here, I flashed router with OpenWrt then connected my cell phone to it via USB tethering as a backup connection. I had to request a port forward through my VPN to tunnel through the cellular network to keep the XMPP server up. But I kept it up. :) How am I doing for an amateur? :D
<TRS-80> Oh, at first I had to tell my users the forwarded (nonstandarx for XMPP) port to put in their clients (because the port number from VPN was assigned, not chosen). But then I figured out how to do SRV records in DNS, and handle that transparently, so they could just connect like normal.
<lanefu> that's pretty awesome!
<lanefu> also something that respects SRV records is awesome
<TRS-80> Probably what you can handle before even having coffee, but for me I was pretty happy with myself. lol
<TRS-80> OK I'm taking the plunge on this cubietruck, brb
<lanefu> 🤘
<TRS-80> Oh yeah fark, forgot there are certs and probably other stuff, too. Ahh f it. Here, hold my beer.
<lanefu> that's the spirit
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> I usually take detailed notes, etc. and move very methodical. But after dickering with the network and XMPP stuff for couple days, I'm worn out from it.
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<TRS-80> brb
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<Tonymac32> he's back
<Tonymac32> well was
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> until i told him to go break is box
<Tonymac32> oh boy
<lanefu> Tonymac32: are you still using ubuntu bionic for your build host? or are you on focal
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<mike64> Trying to figure out how to troubleshoot this: I installed Armbian_20.05.2_OrangePi2_buster_current_5.4.43.img. I was successful. I installed the default desktop and ran startxfce4 and was sucessfull and had XFCE running. Upon restart I cannot boot.
<lanefu> can't boot? or no display
<mike64> no display might be more accurate
<lanefu> also is this an old install? newer images exist
<mike64> newer download comes up expired ssl cert
<mike64> and ys it is older
<lanefu> can you show me the link that gives you ssl error
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<Tonymac32> bionic
<Tonymac32> haven't had any issues
<lanefu> Werner is trying to take away our freedom! https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/2316
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<Tonymac32> he is back for realz this time
<lanefu> TRS-80: success? or destruction
* Tonymac32 brought along refreshments this time
<mike64> well now it is working. I swear it wasn't an hour ago
<lanefu> mike64: the image download roundrobins to different mirrors
<TRS-80> It wouldn't come back up on network. After trying everything, I finally had to cycle power. Now I think I am booted into... I dunno what. Debian GNU/Linux 7 it says?!
<lanefu> sounds like one of htem was lame
<TRS-80> Got a boot loop at first with SD card ion, so I removed it. Now I think somehow I'm booted using old bootloader or something like that
<mike64> I will try with the new image. but any idea as to why when I upgraded to install the desktop I could use it until I resarted? I don't even know honestly how to start diagnosing that.
<lanefu> TRS-80: yeah dude you're running debian jessie... so that sounds like gnu linux 7 to me
<lanefu> mike64: honestly those scripts are probably crusty.. you're better off downloading a desktop image
<lanefu> it should be using lightdm as teh display manager service rather than startxfce4
<lanefu> TRS-80: uname -a
<TRS-80> I guess I thought I was in wrong OS somehow, because none of logins seemes to work. But I am mixing this up with ODROID. There is only sdcard here IIRC
<mike64> I'll try the current desktop image. Thanks
<TRS-80> I am using this crappy keyboard, lol, let me try login again
<lanefu> mike64: cool.. so to set expectations... that's going to be an unaccelerated desktop... so performance isn't going to be great
<Tonymac32> what machine is this Lanefu made you break?
<mike64> what options are there to accelerate if needed (though I don't think that will be too necessary for ,jat I plan to use it)
<TRS-80> cubietruck
<TRS-80> not taking any logins, weird
<lanefu> for video playback, a purpose built image of like libreelec probably best
<lanefu> mike64: alternatively one of our archived "legacy" images with the nasty 3.x kernel has some acceleration
<TRS-80> I am on tty1, there is no graphical environment, should still be able to log in right?
<lanefu> TRS-80: yep. what about ssh?
<mike64> lanefu: I'm abtually looking to use it for a midi synth so any advise or leads on good rt kernels and such would be much appreciated
<TRS-80> well lemme try again
<lanefu> mike64: oh cool.
<lanefu> i built a RT kernel a while back for an h3
<lanefu> lemme glance at something
<Tonymac32> lanefu was playing with RT patches, eh?
<TRS-80> WTF, I cannot log in my normal user nor root even?!
<lanefu> yeah it was likea year ago but i droped it in there
<TRS-80> I can ssh now, but not log in
<lanefu> TRS-80: maybe need to update locales or reconfigure keyboard
<TRS-80> which is why I bust out old keybaord and hook up hdmi in the first place, but that no wor either
<lanefu> oh you can connet, but can't ssh in?
<TRS-80> I connect via ssh but cannot log in
<TRS-80> not taking passwords
<TRS-80> weird
<TRS-80> for my user nor root
<lanefu> yeah hella weird
<lanefu> did your xmpp relay launch?
<TRS-80> I don't think so
<lanefu> hmm
<TRS-80> something is borked
<lanefu> so i guess it's 80% operational? 😬
<TRS-80> I dunno
<TRS-80> what %, so might as well be 0
* lanefu hides
<TRS-80> I hope there are more ideas short of reinstallation :/
<lanefu> can you stick sdcard in usb reader, and mount and chroot it on your odroid
<TRS-80> or on this computer?
<TRS-80> or its better from armbian?
<lanefu> ideally another arm32 device
<TRS-80> ok
<TRS-80> chroot or just mount?
<lanefu> cuz you know.... ELFs are picky
<lanefu> both
<TRS-80> I don't know shit, that's the problem XD
<mike64> lanefu, you wouldn't happen to know where I might find that H3 rt kernel do you?
<lanefu> mike64: probably not floatign around anywhere.... depending on your motivation, the armbian build tools are fairly easy to work with. You can use them to build a kernel (OR AN IMAGE)... and basically drop teh RT-Linux patches in teh appropriate patch folder and cross your fingers https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Preparation/
* Tonymac32 is building a Renegade image to see how it goes
<lanefu> Tonymac32: today is your day Tony
<TRS-80> Now bootloop with sdcard in, I don't get it.
<TRS-80> I could have swore I booted without sdcard, but maybe I'm going crazy.
<TRS-80> trying that now again
<lanefu> TRS-80: ohhhhhhh hrughfamsdf asdf does that have emmc?
<TRS-80> I don't even remember now
<mike64> thanks I'm motivated and willing to learn new things.
<TRS-80> yeah it must because booting
<Tonymac32> so toasted SD card, old AF image on eMMC
<TRS-80> But why did I have sd card in? Surely I would have been running off EMMC?
<TRS-80> system I mean
<Tonymac32> *shrugs*
<TRS-80> guess not though
<Tonymac32> I dunno, I'm debating going to the mountains for the next 6 months or so and only coming out after people calm down
<lanefu> mike64: yeah play with builder and get a little familiar with it.. try building a working image... then check back in and let me know how it's goin
<Tonymac32> but then again I'm from the mountains
<lanefu> there's fraud in the mountains too
<lanefu> fake snow
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: that thought already crossed my mind (toasted sdcard that is, although moutains sound good too lol) because this was first thing I ever put Armbian on, and it's been few years now on this sd card
<lanefu> at every ski resort
<Tonymac32> there aren't enough people there for it to matter
<lanefu> also is that seriously an option for you?
<Tonymac32> I have family in the hills and I am on permanent work from hom and the kids are home schooled
<TRS-80> Any guesses what default login is on old cubietruck image?
<Tonymac32> so yeah actually
* TRS-80 hasn't "worked" in almost a year
<lanefu> [TheBug]: might let you camp on his land
<Tonymac32> ROFL
* TRS-80 hides
<lanefu> Clan life
<TRS-80> I'm joining Tony in the mountains after a while
* Tonymac32 was sent home to work in April, hasn't been allowed back in the building since, told not to expext opening until after MArch probably
<TRS-80> "2 weeks to flatten the curve"
<lanefu> lol
<Tonymac32> let's not talk about how immunity works, we all know, just a lot of people don't want to realize the ugly reality we're facing
<lanefu> yeah wife's job isn't going back to march at earliest
<Tonymac32> yeah it's a bit bonkers
<Tonymac32> I do need the lab sometimes
<lanefu> my office is teh same way, but managers sometimes come in on wed to hang out and not go crazy
<Tonymac32> although I was able to build a makeshift one in my basement because autistic nerd reasons
<Tonymac32> :-/
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> it would have been worse if you tried to stop yourself
<Tonymac32> you should hear me try to talk in person when it's important. It's bad
<Tonymac32> :)
<lanefu> Self-lothing nerd
<mike64> can I enabable ssh for headless first boot by putting a file named ssh in /boot?
<Tonymac32> on Armbian it is enabled by default
<lanefu> j/k
<Tonymac32> rofl wow
<Tonymac32> um
<Tonymac32> Lane, we've talked about this
<mike64> so I just need to add wpa_supplicant so I can connect through my wifi?
<lanefu> sorry i'm getting a little punchy
<mike64> (I approve of that comment its a PITA)
<lanefu> mike64: actually armbian first boot supports a wifi config
<Tonymac32> right but you do have to add that somehow, I've never done it
<Tonymac32> it's a text file correct
<lanefu> write image to something, mount it on a linux box
* archetech is upgrading OpenCore for last update to Big Sur OSX
<Tonymac32> right right
<Tonymac32> archetech if you use anything with a Silab or Cypress USB --> Uart dont
<archetech> cuz I'm RICIN baby
<lanefu> and edit /boot/armbian_first_run.txt.template and follow the instructions in thre
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> which instruction 1 is copy it to /boot/armbian_first_run.txt
<lanefu> anyway you can put your wifi stuff in there
<Tonymac32> so Apple being Apple borked their driver model and a lot of vendors haven't caught up with their siezure of self-entitlement
<archetech> my usrt is so cheap and gets flaming hot in 3 secs
<archetech> uart
<mike64> wow that's really easy I didn't realize that. I feel like the documentation doesn't talk about the first run script very well to make that clear...
<Tonymac32> not saying don't upgrade, just cautioning to check the devices you need to have work to make sure first
<Tonymac32> mike64 I agree, but I spend all my time talking on IRC so I can't update the docs...
<Tonymac32> :D
* Tonymac32 has actually never used the thing, so would not be the person to write the manual
<archetech> plus no uart on osx
* Tonymac32 also noticed he is marked *away*
<lanefu> Mojave for life
<Tonymac32> yeah I saw complaining because the SiLabs chips used on any and all Espressif reference designs are not supported anymore
* Tonymac32 used a SiLabs chip on OBsidian ESP32, but will not ever again
<Tonymac32> 1) you have to program them
<lanefu> we're _really_ friendly with PRs for documentation... just sayin https://github.com/armbian/documentation
<Tonymac32> 2) QFN is no fun to solder yourself (not that it's actually hard with a stneicl, but...
<Tonymac32> 3) Those things are epically expensive
<Tonymac32> if I have the room for a fat old CH340, I'm using it
* lanefu hates having 100 year old house in large rainstorms
<Tonymac32> that young?
<Tonymac32> sheesh
<Tonymac32> CH340: $0.30 CP2102: $1.20
<lanefu> yeah.. you got a Cabin Lewis and Clark stayed in or somthing?
<Tonymac32> uh, I grew up in a farmhouse build at the beginning of the 19th century
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> nice.... yeah the uhmm really old houses were kinda burned in the civial war here
<Tonymac32> :D
<Tonymac32> yeahhhh
<Tonymac32> again, in the mountains
<Tonymac32> wars dont get fought in mountains too much
<Tonymac32> not big ones
<lanefu> yeah hell no
<Tonymac32> not when they can go around them
<Tonymac32> to places like Gettysburg
<Tonymac32> Now if everyone involved lives in mountains it's different
<Tonymac32> :/
<lanefu> that's just fuedin'
<mike64> wow that's really easy I didn't realize that. I feel like the documentation doesn't talk about the first run script very well to make that clear...
* Tonymac32 just heard an echo
<lanefu> maybe an arrow key on a macbook keyboard
<mike64> sorry......Well I added wifi on and my ssid info i'm trying to ssh root@orangepi2 but i keep getting no route to host.... is there something I'm missing or would this be failure?
<lanefu> probably should just check your dhcp server
<lanefu> and see if it got a lease
<Tonymac32> yeah I always just look for the IP
<lanefu> also.. give it a little time.. because it does do a filesytem resize and reboot
<lanefu> so depending on yoru sdcard size...
<Tonymac32> name resolution is hit or miss on everything I've ever had, exception being a 10-user Cisco router I had 100 machines tied to
<Tonymac32> :D
* lanefu won't brag about his internal DNS working
* Tonymac32 is a terrible person that really doesn't care so much
<lanefu> yeah well you make circuits for a living and I'm more of an infrastructure person
<Tonymac32> I have a horrible issue with wanting to overdo systems
<Tonymac32> I did dfmea on a process just to prove it could be done
<Tonymac32> since the whole thing is functional decomposition and data transfer anyway
* Tonymac32 's brain is full of spiders
<Tonymac32> I bought the overprices SPDIF hat for the NanoPi Neo
<Tonymac32> because 1, it's a 3rd party thing for a nanoPi and I like the stupid small form factor
<Tonymac32> and 2, it was made in Bulgaria, from which I've not recieved post before
* Tonymac32 bought a flashlight online and it shipped from Uzbekistan one time
* archetech heard echo as I just heard an arrow.
<archetech> yikes
<Tonymac32> wizzzzzz thunk
<archetech> reading too much news
<Tonymac32> I stopped doing that a while ago, if I want to be lied to I'll call a psychic
<Tonymac32> :)
* Tonymac32 hopes everyone understands master level sarcasm mixed with just enough truth to be unsettling
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 did you see I bought a new Z80 machine?
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<TRS-80> Tonymac32: No I did not. Lane helping me via this tmate thing (which is pretty neat btw). standby
<mike64> so I was missing something setting the fact that I was changing network defaults. But wow that was cool to do that. HDMI is for children :D
<lanefu> rofl
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<lanefu> TRS-80: I need this win. don't disappoint me
<Tonymac32> My helios64:
<Tonymac32> 2020-11-11 03:20
<Tonymac32> Released by Customs
<Tonymac32> !!!!!!!!
* TRS-80 is holding out for ECC version
* Tonymac32 has to say it's not real ECC though
<Tonymac32> the SoC doesn't support it
<Tonymac32> so it's going to be insanely complex RAM
<Tonymac32> if they pull it off it will be cool though
<Tonymac32> My XU4 doesn't have such fancy stuff
<Tonymac32> I ordered it Sept 5th XD
<Tonymac32> shipped Oktober 13th
<Tonymac32> spent long time on a boat
<lanefu> yeah just use a next-gen file sytem to detect your bitrot
<mike64> Thanks for the insights. It feels pretty cool to get in to all that and fix the problems without ever having to plug anything into it. Using the current desktop image worked. Thanks again!
<Tonymac32> sweet
<TRS-80> What did you think the ECC was for? :)
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: I have actually been following the saga
<Tonymac32> I figured
<Tonymac32> but for the other kids it's best to be thorough
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<lanefu> ever noticed armbian users are either really happy, or really unhappy
<lanefu> mike64 gets a coupon for being good customer
* Tonymac32 's Renegade USB-C input seems fubar'd
<Tonymac32> :/
<Tonymac32> Renegade Elite
<Tonymac32> sry
<Tonymac32> the big one
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<lanefu> Crashing
<TRS-80> thanks a lot man
<TRS-80> appreciate it
<Tonymac32> have a good one lanefu
<Tonymac32> on the flipside, renegade rk3328 looks good in 5.9
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 https://rc2014.co.uk/
<TRS-80> I needed to download an Apple II emulator for something the other week (month?) and I think I was having more fun refreshing my memory of how to write BASIC. :D
<Tonymac32> haha
<Tonymac32> I miss BASIC
<Tonymac32> it was to the point
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<Tonymac32> you weilded the power of the GOTO, and you had better respect it
<TRS-80> I don't miss completely writing lines over from scratch though
<archetech> OC 0.6.3 works yay
<TRS-80> maybe that was just Apple's implementation, not sure
<Tonymac32> they had BSAVE in apple, right?
<TRS-80> I dunno
* Tonymac32 learned on a ][e
<TRS-80> but this was emulator too, so maybe file system was like in memory or something
<Tonymac32> ah ok
<Tonymac32> I'm toying with making a cassette tape emulator for my CoCo 2
<Tonymac32> the kids love that thing btw
<Tonymac32> the model 100 has some sticky keys I need to carefully look at
<Tonymac32> I snagged the RC2014 because I had started building almost the same computer while I was in high school, etching boards in the basement
<TRS-80> oh nice
<Tonymac32> that thing is the dream I wanted to achieve
<Tonymac32> lol
<TRS-80> I ordered my first mfrd boards recently, I was very pleasantly surprised at the quality of what you can order now for very little dosh
<Tonymac32> and I can teach my son, who is interested in electrical things, how data busses and such work
<Tonymac32> on a machine where you can see them
<TRS-80> Yeah that will be nice
<Tonymac32> and I have a problem
<Tonymac32> so
<Tonymac32> win/win/maybe win
* TRS-80 goes hunting for uart
<TRS-80> OK, well that yielded some pretty immediate results
<TRS-80> U-Boot SPL 2020.10-armbian (Oct 18 2020 - 23:16:40 +0200)
<TRS-80> DRAM:Timeout initialising DRAM
<TRS-80> resetting ...
<TRS-80> ad infinitum
<Tonymac32> still the cubietrain or whatever?
<Tonymac32> ;)
<TRS-80> it's not just a dumptruck
<Tonymac32> oh sheesh
<Tonymac32> haha
<TRS-80> it's a TRUCK
<Tonymac32> 2006 memes
<TRS-80> a cubietruck :D
<Tonymac32> O RLY
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<TRS-80> You ever see this before? https://tmate.io/
<TRS-80> Lane remote in to my machine, pretty cool I thought
<TRS-80> I had never seen it before.
<TRS-80> like TeamViewer for nerds
<Tonymac32> IT AIN'T A TRACTOR
<Tonymac32> rofl
<TRS-80> any ideas on that error message?
<TRS-80> I'm in over my head here
<TRS-80> Seem to be missing some boot code or something though
<TRS-80> firmware maybe or something
<TRS-80> Maybe I should make a forum post
<Tonymac32> yeah, I'm not an A20 guy unfortunately
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<Tonymac32> wow
<TRS-80> almost as good as that tri moto ad :D
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Tonymac32> trimotos were pure death
<Tonymac32> but fun
<TRS-80> I finally got around to installing OpenWrt
<TRS-80> Oh yeah, and just began playing with Docker finally. I did not realize it's available right in Debian repos.
<Tonymac32> I haven't gotten there, I need to
<TRS-80> which?
<Tonymac32> Docker
<TRS-80> It's actually quite easier than I was expecting. No need to wait.
* Tonymac32 currently watching a lockpicking video because it popped up
<TRS-80> There are lots of very good intros (including the official ones) that very quickly walk you through the basics
<TRS-80> apt install docker.io in Debian (I was a bit surprised about that in fact)
<TRS-80> I decided to take the plunge because more and more, things I seem to want to install are recommending their Docker image as recommended way. The proximate cause this time was Tiny Tiny RSS. But there have been others.
<TRS-80> Should I post in Board doesn't start?
<Tonymac32> yeah I think so
<Werner> Good morning
<TRS-80> Ohai Werner!
<TRS-80> and good evening :D
<Werner> TRS-80, Gitbot still sometimes hangs up but if it is only every few weeks it can simply be restarted and is good to go
<Werner> Welcome back btw :)
<TRS-80> Sounds much better
<TRS-80> and thanks
<TRS-80> I pop in and out (infrequently) :)
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* Tonymac32 needs to hit the hay, customer meetings in the AM
<TRS-80> later man
<Werner> bye
<Tonymac32> later on
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<stipa> Tonymac32: silicon silicone, it's just a difference in "e", it shouldn't be much of a problem.
<stipa> almost the same
<stipa> IgorPec: plan is done if you're for it, check out LinkedIn chat, tell what you think about it...
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<IgorPec> stipa: busy will get back asap
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<stipa> IgorPec: take your time, i'll be around
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<rneese> morning
<rneese> who did what to who and why
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<stipa> the idea is to attract more women to the Armbian brand and to increase donations income.
<stipa> we're finding someone who could do it
<stipa> cheaply and efficiently
<stipa> the idea is not yet realized
<rneese> lol ok
<lanefu> Might need to revisit how we respond to newbs before we expand our outreach
<rneese> morning lanefu whats the skinny
<lanefu> Need coffee
<rneese> I just made a egg mcmuffin and cheese and have my venom Rattler drink
<stipa> i did a corona test this morning
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<stipa> they stick a nidle in nose
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<stipa> but all the way in the sull
<stipa> skull*
<rneese> they tickle your brain
<stipa> right
<stipa> i need to be negative, have to remove something from the mouth
<stipa> a bit my lip and something grows at that place
<rneese> get drunk and let some one with pliers do it
<rneese> ok
<stipa> i'm biting it almost every day
<stipa> but it won't fell of
<stipa> ha ha
<stipa> it's like
<stipa> a bump
<stipa> without nerves
<stipa> it's going out tomorrow...
<rneese> tumor
<rneese> ok good
<stipa> no
<stipa> just some reaction
<stipa> when you bit your lips drom inside of the mouth
<stipa> from*
<stipa> but the test is like, i still feel pain in my left ear
<stipa> ha ha
<rneese> ok
<stipa> not nice at all
<stipa> ok
<lanefu> how's healthcare work in croatia for stuff like that
<stipa> bad
<rneese> sitting watching youtube this guy finds old abandon houses and walks through them
<rneese> intresting what you see
<stipa> lanefu: 3200 new cases what is for Croatia a lot
<stipa> Everything is falling apart
<stipa> like everywhere else
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<stipa> rneese: i saw yesterday a guy bought ghost village
<stipa> it's on YT
<rneese> wow
<giddy> hello, how do i increase my forum post limit? i solved my problem, want to share solution 🤷‍♀️
<Werner> giddy, forum nick?
<rneese> Graddy it take 3 to 4 days for admins to update people.if you just signed up today you have to wait for the admins to login and review
<rneese> we have limited staff to get things doen and it takes time
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @cnxsoft: Upcoming @FriendlyARM_ NanoPi R4S #Linux #SBC for headless applications with 1 or 4GB RAM, #Rockchip RK3399 processor, dual Gi… (8s ago)
<Werner> actually the limits goes away automatically if you wait a certain amount of days, donate or receive a like for a post. I can remove it manully though
<Werner> done
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @LarisaChen15: 👋👋👋I know that someone has received OPI zero2. Any feedback on the board? Hope you can leave your valuable comments.🥰🥰🥰… (7s ago)
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<rneese> need a 64 gig one
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @cnxsoft @armbian @FriendlyARM_ Now that is interesting (2s ago)
<stipa> accessories for boards end up costing three times more
<giddy> rneese cool, if i don't forget, i will update the post, i have notes. thank you
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<rneese> ok
<rneese> sooo lanefu what you working on today
<lanefu> rneese: i spend about 80% of my day trying to figure out / remember what i'm working on
<rneese> helping to fix the builder and updates to kernel
<rneese> lol
<rneese> cold rain here
<rneese> wrong window
<rneese> well back to the new builder work
<rneese> fixing and updating pkgs and then the apps groups
<rneese> since I think we are hold with it gives me time to catch up
<rneese> and figure out the build issue I now have
<rneese> to bad there is no way to do voice chat on here
<rneese> and I do wish we where more on discord where we could do more like post pics and file share alot easier
* lanefu happier without voicechat
<lanefu> might be worth exploring a matrix bridge or something
<rneese> yeah
<rneese> they make a bot
<rneese> ok well have fun I am going to get working on code
<rneese> but I like discord as you can post pics right to a person and not have to use a web site
<rneese> does anyone know is with armbian loaded does the n2/n2+ boot from usb or do yo uhave to have a sd set to boot first ?
<lanefu> rneese: have to boot from SD or flip that switch and use petitboot on SPI to then boot from usb
<rneese> ok
<lanefu> be aware that i wouldnt attach any unpowered storage on to odroid USB as its shirt
<lanefu> shit
<lanefu> s/shit/unreliable/
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: unreliable
<rneese> I am hopoing for a emmc 64 gig
<rneese> its on my holiday wish list
<stipa> rneese: many chat services had come and are gone, IRC is still here
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<stipa> it's reliable
<rneese> discord is here to stay to many gamers use it
<stipa> it's just popular for the time being
<stipa> Virtua Reality will take over soon
<stipa> IRC will still be there
<rneese> vr has tried 3 times and failed 3 tiimes due to cost
<rneese> also for people with vision issues its hard to use
<stipa> AR is not bad
<stipa> especially gaming
<rneese> AR ?
<stipa> Augmented Realiy
<stipa> Reality*
<stipa> AR games will be awsome
<stipa> IRC will still be there
<stipa> discord will just be replaced by some AR/VR type of communication
<rneese> ok
<rneese> well back to code. not getting things done like I should
<stipa> right
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<TRS-80> Good morning
<Redfoxmoon> o/
<stipa> Good night
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<rneese> I want to tun a t4 into a pet computer running linux
<rneese> ot would be cool
<rneese> but I can not find any pet computer cases that dont cost arm and leg
<TRS-80> 3d print replica?
<TRS-80> Probably too big. Can you do in pieces and assemble?
<rneese> I will have to design a unit
<rneese> I have the edp screen and a new t4 on the way
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<rneese> i want to know what odd cases people have put units in
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<TRS-80> Sounds like good fodder for a forum post. :) Much more reach there for potential discussion, I think (not everyone hangs out in IRC).
<TRS-80> Especially if you end up actually making something (pics or it didn't happen, etc.).
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* Tonymac32 seconds lanefu, Odroid + unpowered storage = shit, erm, unreliable. Just not enough power on these boards, they aren't designed to spec because it raises cost significantly to offer up "True" USB ports
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* Tonymac32 will also comment that the same goes for almost every single SBC
<Tonymac32> rneese what is a case
<Tonymac32> :D
* Tonymac32 just bought a pile of cheap acrylic + standoff + fan ones because they were laying everywhere unprotected
<TRS-80> You come here in daytime now? :D
<Tonymac32> sometimes, I'm on lunch break from day job
<TRS-80> I guess since you work from home?
<Tonymac32> yep
* TRS-80 has to go back to work soon
* Tonymac32 remembers TRS-80 saying he doesnt work
<TRS-80> Also, I use my (quite large) Corsair (750D?) case for my main workstation as well as a couple SBCs as well as a number of HDDs. Works a treat.
<Tonymac32> nice
<TRS-80> Well, I "work" on things every day. That are relevant to my interests. Just not on the hamster wheel of late stage capitalism, if you get my drift (which is a sucker's bet, IMO).
<TRS-80> We keep our expenses extremely low, but I do need to head back out and make some more money to get us over the finish line to the end goal of owning some land out in the boonies.
<Tonymac32> I have a few of these style for normal Pi https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71-dNDjrnpL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
<Tonymac32> and yeah, I'm settling my debts before embarking on a similar quest
<TRS-80> I did buy a few years ago a super cute original NES replica mini case to put the living room RPi into. Gf loved it (I gave it to her as a gift) but then I could not fit the HifiBerry AMP2 into it without modifying the case, and so now we are back to some generic cheap acryllic case that fits the HifiBerry (but does showcase the hardware, which is neat).
<TRS-80> the hills of WV are definitely on my short list
<TRS-80> not even joking
<Tonymac32> I have their metal case from years back
<Tonymac32> I think they still sell it but $$
<Tonymac32> ah but mine is just the DAC, not the AMP
<TRS-80> in the meantime, my cheap Chinese knock off of same also arrived, but I haven't had time to play with it yet
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<rneese> ok
<rneese> bbl things to do
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<ArmbianTwitter> @ameridroidSBC (ameriDroid.com): Updated Armbian available for the ODROID-C2 https://t.co/ZB6kADBLB8 #Armbian #ODROID #ODROIDC2 #C2 #Linux (18s ago)
<rneese> the twirrter bot needs updated ingo c2 has had armbian for some time
<rneese> We'd like to remind our community that the ODROID-C2 will be discontinued sometime in 2021, likely during the first half of the year. Therefore, we recommend switching development to the ODROID-C4 if the same form factor and SoC family is desired. Otherwise, contact us to discuss options and recommendations!
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @ameridroidSBC: Updated Armbian available for the ODROID-C2 https://t.co/ZB6kADBLB8 #Armbian #ODROID #ODROIDC2 #C2 #Linux (11s ago)
<lanefu> amazing
<lanefu> Raised 4,061.00 EUR of 6,400.00 EUR target
<Werner> Indeed
<TRS-80> I was a bit surprised about that myself
<TRS-80> IgorPec years long bitching campaign about lack of support is paying off :D
<TRS-80> which, I suppse, is one of your role as founder, so good job :)
<IgorPec> hey
<TRS-80> just teasing you mate, it's necessary
<IgorPec> yeah, at least some tooling we need to buy on our hand :)
<IgorPec> completly
<IgorPec> but its over expectaions, progressing nicely
<TRS-80> pleasantly surprised, clearly there appears to be some silent majority
<IgorPec> surprisingly a lot are those we never heart off
<IgorPec> heard
<TRS-80> is it lots of small donation? with a few bigger ones mixed in? that's what I would expect
<IgorPec> i think next campaign will be for power bill :)
<Werner> Haha
<IgorPec> i assume it will be additional 200 EUR per year :)
<TRS-80> maybe phrase that in terms of monthly/yearly support
<TRS-80> oh I get it, lol
<IgorPec> current server tops 350W this one over 600
<TRS-80> ouch
<TRS-80> you live in cold climate I hope? lol
<IgorPec> moderate, yeah
<TRS-80> reminds me of KGPE-D16 I bought for freedom reasons, it idles at hundreds of watts, totally unsuitable for server to be on all the time, so now I use it as my workstation
<IgorPec> currently its something like this, just not that old
<IgorPec> dual 2011-3 socket
<IgorPec> idles below 100 W
<IgorPec> but no hard drives or graphics cards
<TRS-80> yeah I bought becuae libreboot, it's the most recent hardware from Intel or AMD that does not have any backdoors present in firmware (even though apparently the IME has been neutralized in the meantime as I understand)
<TRS-80> the high power usage is because of libreboot and lack of optimizations as I am sure you can appreciate
<IgorPec> got it
<TRS-80> I had no idea about any of that back then, lol, but that fiasco is what led me to Armbian
<IgorPec> interesting path
<TRS-80> and now I enjoy a multiple power sipping SBCs doing various things around here and am very happy with
<IgorPec> we should make a survey "why are you using armbian"
<IgorPec> or how did you get here
<TRS-80> yeah I was going to say the latter
<TRS-80> maybe a forum post, more free form
<IgorPec> perhaps forum has some special ways
<TRS-80> I always find survey options stifling or somehow not representative
<IgorPec> otherwise forum topic is just fine
<Werner> Not much options but normal poll
<IgorPec> but in that case we have to provide something
* lanefu waves
<TRS-80> Ohai!
<TRS-80> I haven't wanted to bother you guys, but any ideas on the UART message I posted? Or should I just get on with re-installation? lol
<TRS-80> esp lanefu, I figure you are at work or something
<TRS-80> you don't need to hide from me, I hate to impose :D
<lanefu> TRS-80:i think need to steal a boot.cmd from a newer image
<c0rnelius> where you been hiding?
<TRS-80> Who me? in my internet connected bunker
<c0rnelius> oh good times
* lanefu wants internet connected tree house
<lanefu> well i proved out wifi coverage already i guess
<TRS-80> lanefu: yeah I'm a bit out of my depth there, any pointers appreciated (here or in my thread; the latter perhaps helping others although I am not sure it might be too specific case)
<TRS-80> lanefu: re: tree house; I always loved https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/bjoerksta-picture-and-frame-jungle-journey-black-s49173495/ in fact was going to buy it but always out of stock
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<rneese> why
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<TRS-80> rneese: Why what?
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<rneese> just why
<[TheBug]> how?
<rneese> where
<[TheBug]> ;)
<rneese> ?)
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<Tonymac32> whosawhats
<IgorPec> good morning
<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @DieZuckerbude @cnxsoft @armbian @FriendlyARM_ This is what I've been waiting for I think (15s ago)
* TRS-80 wheels start turning about benefits of containerization in the home lab
<TRS-80> "if my XMPP server were containerized, it could already be up and running by now on the ODROID (or whatever else I've got laying around)"
<TRS-80> rinse and repeat
<Tonymac32> as long as you don't have open containers while driving
<stipa> or flying
<Tonymac32> heh
<TRS-80> > not boozing and cruising
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<[TheBug]> lol
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<nekomancer[m]> lanefu: any success with build on arm?
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<rneese> arm up and pppower on
<rneese> I did not think the builder supported on arm64 builds
<IgorPec> will be supporting
<IgorPec> AR-457
<ArmbianHelper> AR-457 [Story] "Enable native arm/arm64 building" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2020-10-03. Status: To Do
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