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<Tonymac32> XD
<Tonymac32> I have an S
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<Werner> Good morning
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<Tonymac32> Good morning
<lanefu> Morning
<lanefu> Merry timeshift for those celebrating
<Werner> "TimeShift is a first-person shooter developed by Saber Interactive" Not so sure...
<lanefu> Lol
<lanefu> We set clocks back 1hr
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<Werner> Ah well we did the same here a week ago
<Werner> lanefu, is there already a jira task for the interactive customization thingy?
<lanefu> I don't believe so
<Werner> Okay
<Werner> Done
<lanefu> I need to make an epic for the new arm build server
<Werner> You could wait until two more issues are created, then it would receive the number 500 :P
<lanefu> Perfect. Doing nothing is my forte
<lanefu> [AR-498]
<ArmbianHelper> Detected regex match for Armbian issue: AR-498. Could not find it on Jira though. :-(
<lanefu> [AR-497]
<ArmbianHelper> AR-497 [Task] "Allow interactive image customization" reported by Werner at 2020-11-01. Status: To Do
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<archetech> ciao
<archetech> hola
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<keesj> I don't understand openhub and homeassistant I think .. I will try nore-red for my zigbee network (climate)
<keesj> so much ... docker/ download this image magic happening how can I trust it if I can't understand / build it
<keesj> https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/ was also nice (last time I tried it) but it was really hit and miss with regards to updates
<keesj> https://domoticz.com/ any good?
<basti> Hey guys does anyone of you have some experience in working with device tree blobs?
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<keesj> I know the basics of using dts to convert between binary and source
<basti> Well my current problem is that I would like to port a camera sensor driver and DTS to my kernel. But I noticed that the i2c node which is used by the original from where I port, is already used by another device. And so I wanted to know how can I debug the device tree in order to find out which device actually uses the i2c node.
<basti> *is already used by another device = is already set with another device in the device tree of the mainline kernel used by armbian
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<Strykar> lanefu: It's sad to see you being personally attacked, reddit dredging up its bottom there no doubt.. Again, to a layperson reading the Reddit and forum threads, it's not clear that things are being lost in translation. I wish some of the devs would make that clearer
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<c0rnelius> gosh. is that reddit thing still going on? blah 'never even heard of armbian?' blah blah 'how awful they are!' blah blah blah 'I'm gonna cry now.'
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<jock> hello!
<Werner> Hi
<jock> hi Werner
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<eClapton> Hello all. Using Colloquy from macos. Can you read me?
<jock> yep
<jock> Werner, do you have any rk3328 boards running?
<Werner> Yep, a Neo3
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<jock> could you please tell me if the output of this command hexdump -C /sys/bus/nvmem/devices/rockchip-efuse0/nvmem gives you all zeros or some data?
<Werner> Contains data
<Werner> hold on
<jock> good, thanks!
<jock> I received a rk3318 box from a friend and trying to figure out why it locks up after a while when running linux in place of android
<Werner> Hm
<jock> apparently the rockchip trust blob is causing issues
<jock> but when I switch to mainline ATF it is stable but the efuse is empty
<jock> according to armbian sources, the boot block of the nanopi neo3 is using the rockchip blobs, and I guess yours is stable, right?
<Werner> Uptime is 42 days so I guess yeah
<jock> ok, stable enough :)
<jock> headless?
<Werner> Yes
<jock> 4.4.213?
<Werner> 5.8.10
<jock> ok got it, thanks!
<jock> ah, a last question, do Lima driver complaints in dmesg?
<Werner> dmesg|grep -i lima is empty
<jock> ok fine, thank you again!
<Werner> Oh well lima isn't even loaded which would make sense since this board does not have hdmi
<jock> right
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<lanefu> Werner: kind of wondering if it makes sense for kobol to have their own club for the helios support stuff
<Werner> Would be easy enough to set up
<lanefu> And you said that all historical links are preserved
<Werner> Yes. Moving threads from one forum to another does not alter their links
<lanefu> Sweet. I'll kick off a DM thread with you igor and the kobol crew to discuss and coordinate.
<Werner> They also could do moderation by their own
<lanefu> Any kobol peeps besides gprovost that I should include
<lanefu> Sent
<Werner> Noted
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<Werner> Nice one!
<lanefu> yeah I'm inclined to make a few VMs on there working with porting teh buidl to support arm etc
<lanefu> easier to share access and not break stuff
<Werner> Yes
<lanefu> step 1 is actually get access to server
<lanefu> lol
<Werner> hahahahaha yeah, kind a elementary
<lanefu> btu yeah need to get keys and found out who wants access
<lanefu> since technically this box is temporary, I think i'll try to just take care of it with ansible and some of my other prefered tools
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<archetech> c0rnelius: got a panfrost N2+ image I can try?
<c0rnelius> I don't even have an N2+ yet. Sorry.
<archetech> ok your builder shows a config
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<c0rnelius> Yeah that's because somebody else asked me to add it. He's the one who does all the testing on it, I just added it to the builder. I'm honestly not even sure if the n2 plus boots or not.
<c0rnelius> He never got back to me on it
<c0rnelius> But he only got the board like yesterday I think
<archetech> ah a favor thing
<c0rnelius> Yeah.
<archetech> ok he's out I'm in
<c0rnelius> Ha
<archetech> lol
<c0rnelius> Feel free to let me know. If it's busted I'll try to resolve it.
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<c0rnelius> Chewitts uboot bin is also under files/boot if the builders is broke.
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<ArmbianTwitter> @brentcrawford (Space Pirate 🏴‍☠️): @Love2Code Faster than Pi3, slower than Pi4. I'm testing w/ Armbian and so far everything has pretty much been a drop in replacement. There's a product closeout deal still on Amazon that includes a Rock64 1GB, case, 16x2 LCD, power supply & 32GB card for $16: https://t.co/Y9MEXpTTwW (24s ago)
<Tonymac32> oh boy
<nekomancer[m]> ..намучается пацан
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<archetech> more rock64's for everybody !
<Tonymac32> *groan*
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<Tonymac32> nekomancer I couldn't read that so I just assume you're swearing
<Tonymac32> :D
<nekomancer[m]> not at all. just note about mass groans about such rocks.
<Tonymac32> I like my version better :P
<nekomancer[m]> but it's easy fix — with low-frequency memory binary file
<nekomancer[m]> magic
<archetech> yeah wheres the easy fix at
<Tonymac32> "Does your Rock64 suck? use 133 MHz memory speeds from 1997!"
<nekomancer[m]> better than nothing !
<nekomancer[m]> :)
<archetech> ive replaced my uboot with ddr400Mhz blob didnt help
<nekomancer[m]> and 333! 😀
<Tonymac32> the problem on our side is, if we implement this fix it would have to be on all of the images we send, so the V1 and V3 would likewise have the memory bandwidth of a 486 DX2
<Tonymac32> :D
<Tonymac32> ok, maybe a Pentium 2
<nekomancer[m]> sad it can't be with dtb overlay, swiching with armbian-config.
<archetech> no yours are 768 which is normal v2 needs the lower blobs
<nekomancer[m]> or it is possible?
<Tonymac32> well right, but we are not going to have "V2 u-boot" and "everything else u-boot"
<archetech> yes that your decision
<archetech> im ok w that
<Tonymac32> nekomancer I don't know, I haven't looked that closely, as I ceratinly can't test it
<Tonymac32> if it can be done that would be the best fix
<archetech> the effective drop is in ram perf isnt that big maybe 10-20% after its done
<archetech> if it works at all some guy in pine forum said his worked right idk
<archetech> id leave it be unless some armbian flood of r64 users came in
<Tonymac32> lol
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<archetech> I thought that might happen when it went to $8 didnt happen
<c0rnelius> I still don't get it. I've zero probs booting that shit board. The Renegade on the other hand. That board has issues.
<c0rnelius> Real picky bitch the renegade.
<Tonymac32> have you tried a recent armbian build? ddr4 is a bastard
<c0rnelius> No I haven't.
<Tonymac32> more accurately: Rockchip support of DDR4 is *terrible*
<Tonymac32> I updated to their latest blobs for u-boot (something like 10+ ddr bugfixes)
<c0rnelius> I even got fedora to boot on that rev2 rock64 :)
<c0rnelius> And void linux
<archetech> rev2 2 diff batches y guess
<archetech> my
<c0rnelius> so be the rumor
<archetech> I saaw tony do that reneg work id try it
<c0rnelius> In my own testing the u-boot works on the renegade, but getting it past that requires gymnastics. No simple extlinux.conf file will do... atleast not using mainline uboot.
<c0rnelius> I ended up hacking up Armbians boot.cmd/boot.src to get it working, which also needed uInitrd.
<c0rnelius> I'm sure this also varies... but I can only speak from my own experience.
<archetech> all i saw some clock fixing
<archetech> was
<c0rnelius> Not sure I'm using patches on the uboot?
<c0rnelius> I'd have to look... But I think the only patch is for sd before mmc one.
<c0rnelius> uboot wise
<archetech> for n2 armbian tests I need linux-rc2 lane has something cooking there
<c0rnelius> I needs to get one of these :)
<c0rnelius> perf the plus
<archetech> its a month away from gpu working
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<archetech> then kde on vulkan q1 2021
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<c0rnelius> is kde good again?
<archetech> on x86 it my daily
<c0rnelius> really?
<archetech> sure and its wayland daily
<c0rnelius> use to be my jams back in the day and it just got to bloated so moved to gnome and then xfce.
<archetech> its nuttin like v4 was
<c0rnelius> I've pretty much been stuck on xfce or openebox ever sense.
<nekomancer[m]> <c0rnelius "is kde good again?"> oh, yes!
<archetech> I wouldnt be hunting this down if those worked for me
<jock> I'm with kde on a 12 yo laptop machine, it's my daily too (but x.org)
<c0rnelius> I did check it out like a year ago and I found it counter intuitive to my work flow. But it did look nice.
<jock> takes ages to boot, but then it works pretty fine
<archetech> I run mine lean and on new hware
<archetech> boots in 3 seconds
<archetech> Sysinfo for 'manj-I5': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.19.5 on Manjaro Linux powered by Linux 5.8.16-2-MANJARO, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570S CPU @ 3.10GHz at 1600/3800 MHz, RAM: 2491/7909 MB, Storage: 71/93 GB, 167 procs, 3.29h up
<c0rnelius> I need to update my hardware for syre
<jock> indeed, an SSD would make my laptop great again (tm)
<jock> but it's too much for an old dual core Turion :)
<archetech> yikes yeah thats not near optimal
<jock> as long as it goes it's ok for me :)
<archetech> thats a lxde laptop :)
<c0rnelius> gross
<jock> TBH kde is truly snappy on this hardware, I could not believe when I tried it
<c0rnelius> so ugly
<archetech> this old I5 plus nvid
<archetech> NVIDIA GF104 [GeForce GTX 460 SE] driver: nouveau v: kernel
<c0rnelius> might as well icewm
<archetech> Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.9 driver: nouveau unloaded: modesetting s-res: 2560x1440
<archetech> still rocks
<jock> Was used to linux mint with Mate, but the system was becoming slower and slower
<c0rnelius> thats what happens when you take old school gnome and bloat it up
<jock> true
<jock> but also new school gnome wasn't so great
<jock> KDE beats them all for me :)
<c0rnelius> nah its not very good in my opinion. I;m sure it works for those special few... but I don;t know who they are :D
<archetech> I dislike laptops in general and I cant justify buying a recent one
<c0rnelius> used thinkpad!
<jock> oh, chestnuts time, gotta go :)
<archetech> I compile alot and they just over heat
<c0rnelius> i wouldn't compile on them, sir
<nekomancer[m]> KDE Plasma 5.19.5, Linux 5.8.16-2
<c0rnelius> but ssh into something that can... yes
<archetech> I dont
<nekomancer[m]> linux not good enough to conform KDE!
<nekomancer[m]> Need Linux 5.19
<archetech> many do
<archetech> neko this is stable manjaro its not beleeding edge all my other kde's are 5.20.2
<nekomancer[m]> oh!
* nekomancer[m] buy ssd with ide interface for old Thinkpad. But it reject to boot from that disk :(
<archetech> I have to fire up this old tank for nostalgia
<nekomancer[m]> then it boots from /boot on usb :)))
<nekomancer[m]> bugagaga
<nekomancer[m]> /boot on usb, /root on ssd
<archetech> god idea
<archetech> good
<nekomancer[m]> my lovest laptop is Thinkpad T42,
<archetech> classic they sold a ton of those
* nekomancer[m] will be happy to have modern computer in that old case. with old keyboard and sizes.
<nekomancer[m]> prefereable hidpi display. but 4:3
<archetech> my nas boots from an old laptop ide hdd 40gb
<archetech> omv
<archetech> data is on raid 0
<nekomancer[m]> casino
<Tonymac32> c0rnelius I moved Renegade to mainline u-boot a month ago, followed by an update to the bl31 (rockblob) to 1.44
<Tonymac32> and that is from 1.43 to 1.44, there were other fixes in 1.42->1.43
<Tonymac32> like I said, Rockchip sloppy handling of ddr4
<Tonymac32> then I fought with the DMC in the kernel for a while XD
<c0rnelius> Tonymac32: thanx I'll have a look.
<c0rnelius> Tonymac32: thats using ATF?
<Tonymac32> no, ATF/ uboot don't support DDR4 on the RK3328 as far as I'm aware
<c0rnelius> oh alright.
<Tonymac32> I saw some patches that might make it possible, but I haven't gotten into it
<Tonymac32> I would guess the same adjustments I had to make to the kernel would be needed there
<c0rnelius> if you recall what those patches may be I would be happy to give them a look see and test
<c0rnelius> thanx
<Tonymac32> those deskews are not the same as the RK3328 reference design
<Tonymac32> so Firefly routed stuff differently
<c0rnelius> pretty sure I already jacked this from you and am using it :D
<c0rnelius> good work by the way
<Tonymac32> lol just a lot of digging around in the vendor kernel (holy crap it's badly organized by the way)
<Tonymac32> 4 dtsi's in I found the values XD
<c0rnelius> I appreciate the effort
<Tonymac32> then downloaded the "SDK" to make sure I wasn't completely off track because of how bad it was
<Tonymac32> my brain worms wouldn't live with a 750 MHz RAM on a board capable of almost 1200
<Tonymac32> oh, and substitute the rk3328-dram-renegade-timing.dtsi for the one already included in rk3328-roc-cc.dts
<c0rnelius> well rk3328 is just a super mess in general from what I can tell. I was surprised friendlyarm dropped allwinner for it in the NEOS.
<c0rnelius> what I haven't been able to figure is why the Renegade won't accept a extlinux as a substitute to boot.src. You are super evolved and put a lot effort into understanding what is going on there. You have any clues?
<c0rnelius> involved*
<c0rnelius> last time I check that dram timing patch armbian had wrapped in the r2s... I had to clean that up and am using it.
<nekomancer[m]> Tonymac32: does it means rock64 really can get dts overlay with customized downed ram timings?
<nekomancer[m]> or its renegade-only methode?
<Tonymac32> This was for Renegade, but I would assume the Rock64 could be handled this way
<Tonymac32> at the moment it does not get the DMC enabled though
<nekomancer[m]> DMC? Delorean Motor Company?
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<Tonymac32> dynamic memory controller I think
<Tonymac32> it can clock the ram based on system load
<nekomancer[m]> so complicated
<Tonymac32> it's more eco-friendly XD
<Tonymac32> as for not accepting extlinux.conf, I don't know c0rnelius
<lanefu> Tonymac32: so technically rock64v2 would "just" need a different uboot package
<Tonymac32> At the moment I think yes
<Tonymac32> the trouble is, my understanding of the problem means a normal distribution of their potential "Ram qualities" could span well below anything we'd be willing to support
<Tonymac32> going 2-3 sigma anyway
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<lanefu> I wonder if there's anyway to detect the board revision
<lanefu> That's not worth it
<lanefu> Just a footnote on download page and a try-this script if you have a v2
<Tonymac32> I would say u-boot sets really low ram speed, then kernel goes full bore
<Tonymac32> if it crashes, tell them to limit the DMC ram speeds (ovelay maybe
<Tonymac32> if we really wanted to spend time on this
* nekomancer[m] can run tests on own rock64v2 with tained ram. But not have an expertize to do enginering work.
<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @brentcrawford @Love2Code FYI those cheap boards are Rock64v2 boards. And we've seen lots of stability issues with them. Don't use for serious projects. Armbian is lower support level to community only. (17s ago)
<Tonymac32> Lanefu making friends
<lanefu> Hmm gas fumes still impacting my cognitive ability
<Tonymac32> you know that's not what I meant when I said some people have a relationship with their car
<lanefu> Lol
<lanefu> Its not even my car lol
<Tonymac32> :O
<nekomancer[m]> relationship with next door car
<lanefu> Truer than you think
<lanefu> Friend got car from neighbor across street
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