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<nekomancer[m]> no one contry newer been ruled by its people.
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<archetech> There is nothing new under the sun Everything that man can do to man has been done before—and will be done again.
<stipa> Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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* TRS-80 continues reloading ammo and working on his self hosted IT infrastructure
* stipa is losing contact with public DNS servers whole day, wonders maybe it's his fault :/
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<lanefu> First look inside yourself
<TRS-80> lol the zen of looking up an IP address
<TRS-80> grasshopper
<archetech> lanefu, ok...all I see is a a bunch of aging organs
* archetech plays online euchere
<fromport> Q: a C program compiled on amd64 works by sharing a database to another machine that acts as a backup. as long as the 2nd machine is amd64 as well, all is well, when an arm(bian)64 machine is used, after the sync of the database the program get's a segv. imo the binary file structure is not consistent between amd64 & arm64 architecture. could this be a compiler feature ?
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<nekomancer[m]> emmm
<nekomancer[m]> what file do you sync?
<nekomancer[m]> what do you call "sync"?
<nekomancer[m]> fromport: is it your question you want to get answer or cite from outer internet for lulz?
* nekomancer[m] is dumb
<fromport> nekomancer[m]: i run distributed filesystem (lizardfs) on odroid hc2's (on top of armbian). it has a master server, that i started on an amd64 because it needs more ram than the 2GB the odroids provide. now I setup an N2, wanted to make it a slave/shadow server of the master. when it starts it syncs the data base from the amd64 machine and then barfs (segv) when trying to interpretate the data that was
<fromport> transferred
<fromport> i seriously would like to find a solution to get everything running on arm64. currently the only way would be to remove all data, start a fresh arm64 master and start copying the data back again so it is stored in the right "format"
<nekomancer[m]> ok. then, by default, all files are non cross-platform, until declared they are moveable
<fromport> with nearly 70TB information in use, that is not a dun option
<fromport> fun
<nekomancer[m]> text file or jpg file are platform-agnostic. file created by any software and not declared as platform-independent — not moveable
<nekomancer[m]> you have to find info about data format you trying to sync.
<nekomancer[m]> but I bid 90% you can't "just copy" it between platforms.
<nekomancer[m]> platforms has different length of some data types and different endiannes.
<fromport> https://bpa.st/ZYHQ the highlighted line is where it barfs on amd64
<fromport> arm64, sorry!
<fromport> aren't both x86 & aarch64 little-endian?
<nekomancer[m]> sorry, I can't comment details
<nekomancer[m]> it's complicated.
<fromport> my inital question was/is: could this be eg due to different memory layout because of different compilers on different architectures ?
<nekomancer[m]> sure yes.
<nekomancer[m]> it could. highly likely
<TRS-80> fromport: I would also suspect this exotic 'lizardfs' (which I never heard of before you) as perhaps being, if not part of the problem directly, at minimum another layer of complexity. Just food for thought...
<fromport> ok, thanks for your answer and thinking along.
<Tony_mac32> shit, out of bourbon
<Tony_mac32> brother left some $5 tequila here, but I like to keep my stomach lining where it is
<Tony_mac32> TRS-80 how's the weather?
<fromport> TRS-80: lizardfs is a fork of moosefs that has been available/in use (gpl) since 2008. it can be found in standard distributions like debian/ubuntu/centos on x86. I don't think it is that exotic. just not well known ;-)
<archetech> lol
<archetech> bourbon and the who go together
<Tony_mac32> Bourbon goes with a great many things
<archetech> yes but not tequila
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<c0rnelius> tequila and grrls go together pretty nicely.
<c0rnelius> but bourbon, scotch and whiskey in general. that's just a good time.
* Tony_mac32 is a Mac after all
<c0rnelius> that ole double black scotch. that is the business.
<Tony_mac32> If you haven'
<c0rnelius> that caskmates jameson is also very good
<Tony_mac32> If you haven't been able to go to a drag strip in recent memory, Laphroaig 10 will remind you exactly of what a burnout smells and tastes like
<Tony_mac32> XD
<c0rnelius> well its all preference isn't it, Tony?
<Tony_mac32> Of course, and I actually enjoy Laphroaig, but only a wee bit at a time
<Tony_mac32> I also enjoy a good rye, much to my Canadian's friend's delight
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<Tony_mac32> Wife mistakenly thought I liked eggnog and picked up some whiskey companies rendition. Slowly working through the stuff, might snag a glass while I evaluate this rockchip64 situation
<c0rnelius> I enjoy most things actually. I try not to discriminate as best as I can.
<Tony_mac32> I love trying new spirits/foods/etc
<Tony_mac32> Mexico was an adventure
<c0rnelius> But yeah eggnog that is disgusting
<archetech> its great little rich
<c0rnelius> Mexico or eggnog?
<archetech> heh
<archetech> never heard mexico and rich together
<Tony_mac32> Eggnog, I don't hate it, but I won't choose it over a decent whisky
<c0rnelius> Just checking
<archetech> I dont put booze in milk cept for white russian
<c0rnelius> Personally I really fancy Indian and Korean food.
<Tony_mac32> In Mexico I had some wicked Mezcal, this one had some chilis you were supposed to eat when you drank it
<c0rnelius> I do like some middle Eastern stuff but it's just not spicy enough
<archetech> mid east isnt supposed to be hot
<archetech> far east
<c0rnelius> And that's the problem
<Tony_mac32> I like some spice, but I'd say Habenero is the highest on the scale I go
<Tony_mac32> so I wind up in the "medium" category on the far east food
<Tony_mac32> XD
<c0rnelius> Really I used to grow scorpion peppers and cook with them
<c0rnelius> I actually still have a bunch of seeds.
<c0rnelius> When it comes to peppers though it's all about the flavor.
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<Tony_mac32> So my family is Scottish on the fathers side, and German on the mothers. I grew up eating potatoes and roast
<Tony_mac32> The most interesting item in the diet was horseradish, which I enjoy at a concentration that nears "weaponized"
<c0rnelius> Yeah horseradish is great I am not going to disagree with you there.
<Tony_mac32> (I gave some to one of Mexican coworkers, he wasn't ready for it)
<c0rnelius> Horseradish is just like wasabi though it fades quick.
<c0rnelius> It doesn't get your endorphins kicking in and like give you that like natural high.
<Tony_mac32> properly done it's a bit stronger, but yes it does. It surprises people in that you had best not exhale through the nose XD
<Tony_mac32> (fades fgast is the agreement)
<c0rnelius> One thing I do find particularly not very unusual is that when people start talking about whiskeys somehow peppers always fall into the conversation.
<nekomancer[m]> what with you eat horseradish?
<Tony_mac32> Beef and pork
<c0rnelius> Who doesn't like pork?
<nekomancer[m]> pigs :)
<Tony_mac32> oh no, they eat pork too
<Tony_mac32> :/
<c0rnelius> Now that's because pigs eat anything hence the name
<nekomancer[m]> then — jews
<c0rnelius> I like pork
<nekomancer[m]> and vegans
<archetech> wasabi/ginger with cheap sushi
<Tony_mac32> There are a few religions that forbid the animal, and not without some historical relevance
<c0rnelius> yes we know the whole historical reference behind all this bullshit but that doesn't mean that pork doesn't taste delicious
<c0rnelius> It's just silly
<Tony_mac32> cook it well, and make sure it wasn't eating any human waste. problem solved
* nekomancer[m] like sushi with chream cheese and wasabi in soy
<c0rnelius> Everything but the cream cheese sir
<c0rnelius> They put the cream cheese on there to drowned out the wasabi
<nekomancer[m]> then i just add more wassabi
* Tony_mac32 was 18 before trying sushi, nowadays does sashimi when given the chance
* nekomancer[m] was 30+ whem first try sushi
<Tony_mac32> I was shamed into it at college
<Tony_mac32> Then I realized I was horrifically sheltered food wise
<Tony_mac32> I basically lived on potatoes, like I said
* nekomancer[m] still live on potatoe, rice, noodle and porks/chicken.
<Tony_mac32> c0rnelius, my brother had this jar of pickles he bought, it had about 3" of habaneros on top of the pickles
<archetech> ill never forget first time I had real Thai curry dish for 1st time hooked!
<nekomancer[m]> traditions, defaults.
<archetech> im grman too so I hear ya tony
<archetech> german
<Tony_mac32> hahaha
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<Werner> Good morning
<c0rnelius> Tony. I'm a fanatic when it comes to spices.
<archetech> yeah for an american kid its like wow
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<Tony_mac32> Those pickles were great, he thought I'd die or something, so I went for another one
<archetech> what wth hell have I been eating
<Tony_mac32> hello Werner
<c0rnelius> I really like those sour dill pickles.
<nekomancer[m]> 2-3 years ago my city opens a lot of "turkish/pakistan kebab" places. 2 ot 4 times I try to get "spicy". And just can't eat it.
<nekomancer[m]> live not prepared me to it.
<Tony_mac32> and Nekomancer[m] I still primarily eat various potato and pork dishes, even cold potato salad
<c0rnelius> I don't understand what German has to do with anything you guys eat fucking sauerkraut like it's going out of style.
<nekomancer[m]> same as "semi-spicy" thai chicken
<Tony_mac32> Germans eat a lot of potatoes. Very solidly "potato europe", not "tomato Europe"
<c0rnelius> That's not traditionally accurate.
<c0rnelius> I think most people like potatoes
<Werner> I don't. But mostly due to low carb diet :D
<c0rnelius> It's the Irish and the Scottish that were forced to eat potatoes more than anybody else
<Tony_mac32> well forced
<Tony_mac32> gma Mueller does it by choice
<archetech> same for real greek african jamaican now canada..aussies they strugglin like
<Tony_mac32> XD
* nekomancer[m] lives eastern from germany. thereare more popatoe than germany
<archetech> us
<c0rnelius> As a matter of fact the French revolt and why they hung their own King was the fact that they called the potato the devil's food because it grew out of the ground and not out of the ground in the sense that it came up but was buried beneath it
<c0rnelius> One of the many reasons they beheaded that mother fucker but it is a partial reason for it.
<Tony_mac32> XD
<archetech> im irishtoo so potato saved that whole country
<c0rnelius> Not to mention many ice age the whole world was going through at the time and how was that stupid King supposed to know but it did become his downfall in the end
<nekomancer[m]> so, what with turnip
<Tony_mac32> I didn't get to second the statement about sauerkraut. I'm a fan. Actually pretty much anything involving cabbage was on the "good to eat" list as a kid
<Tony_mac32> haha we ate turnips a good bit
<archetech> eww
<archetech> not much I dont eat liver and turnips
* nekomancer[m] ate sauerkraut 2 hours ago. lovely.
<Tony_mac32> :D
<c0rnelius> I don't know that there was ever a revolt against a turnip?
<nekomancer[m]> I too. and it's strange.
<c0rnelius> Liver is kind of disgusting but I don't mind a good turnip.
<nekomancer[m]> turnip grown under earth, like potatoe
<Tony_mac32> I saw a video about the Lada and the guys talking about it were wearing Adidas clothing (on purpose) and saying you had to be strong to drive it, eat potato for breakfast
<nekomancer[m]> liver om-nom-nom
<c0rnelius> Maybe it was a regional thing and just happened to coincide with the time in which people lived so therefore nobody revolted against it.
<archetech> pickled beets is close as I like to turnips
<c0rnelius> I'm just guessing of course
<c0rnelius> This is why the Koreans Rock! they pickle everything
<Tony_mac32> My mother cans pickled beets every year by the truckload, I don't love them
<c0rnelius> I can never get enough kimchi
<Tony_mac32> c0rnelius needs to visit the Appalachian mountains, I had pickled pigs feet there, with pickled carrots and broccoli
<Tony_mac32> XD
<c0rnelius> I do need to visit there
<nekomancer[m]> hmm..
<Tony_mac32> I pickled some green beans with Thai chilis, woooooo
<Tony_mac32> :D
<c0rnelius> As soon as my ex gets the state off my ass I will be leaving and visiting everywhere I can possibly go to experience all the great foods that the world has available to me.
<c0rnelius> Unless she gets that military on me and then I'm busted
<nekomancer[m]> covid military?
<c0rnelius> It's far more reaching than that. And actually I think it's far more reaching than even her own capacity of thinking actually.
* Tony_mac32 looks around to see if the Michigan governor is peeking in the window to make sure he doesn't have guests
<c0rnelius> Like the other day somebody noticed a car that kept coming up in front of the house. Well I recently left the house to go grab something and I happened to notice that that same car pulled up as I reached the house.
<c0rnelius> Coincidence I don't know
<c0rnelius> It's like when I lived in Baltimore.
<nekomancer[m]> sounds freaky
<c0rnelius> Does nobody else feel haunted? Or is just nobody else paying attention?
<nekomancer[m]> rent car?
<c0rnelius> I don't know I never checked the plates but it's the same fucking dude.
<Tony_mac32> I'm near a crossroads so I see a lot of cars. If I see the same one a few times I pay attention
<nekomancer[m]> it can be true easy.
<archetech> dont forget norawy picled herring yum
<archetech> norway
<nekomancer[m]> private or govt investigation
<c0rnelius> I had some odd happenings when I lived in Baltimore. At one point I was walking home and I decided to break between an alley in order to get to my house quicker or I should say apartment. Right before I reach the apartment a police officer came up to me out of nowhere and said you know we've been watching you right?
<archetech> lutefisk pass
<nekomancer[m]> c0rnelius: so strange. did you ask him about a reasons?
<c0rnelius> No because I was in such shock that I just said okay. I expected a response but none was given so I just continued on my way and went into my apartment.
<nekomancer[m]> brr
<nekomancer[m]> scare
* Tony_mac32 can't wait to move back into the mountains and disappear
<archetech> local cops did that to me dont sweat it
<archetech> its the new statsi
<archetech> stasi
<c0rnelius> I don't even think was a cop
<archetech> pure intimidation
<c0rnelius> The cops in Baltimore will just bust you over nothing
<c0rnelius> And this was a lady cop she had something to prove she would have done it
<archetech> one circled around me tonight
<archetech> f them
<nekomancer[m]> looking into the news — it's global/
* Tony_mac32 sees the government encouraging people to call the police and report on each other in the US now
<nekomancer[m]> cops bust citizens around the globe
<archetech> they practicing for the nwo
* nekomancer[m] lives in "totalitarian" USSR... Now there much more totalitarian.
<Tony_mac32> Some of my friends from Romania living in the US say they might go back now
<archetech> lol
<archetech> its really bad when the real totalitarians leave
<nekomancer[m]> some of my friends living in US tells they try to build a more USSR that was USSR they leave 30 years ago
<archetech> the plan is to merge the usa with ussr
<nekomancer[m]> they lost all good was in ussr
<Tony_mac32> we'd have to beat the EU to it
<Tony_mac32> :D
<nekomancer[m]> and then we all will have all bad from usa and all bad from ussr... without any good.
<archetech> read books by kissinger and brezezinski
<nekomancer[m]> eu build own ussr — based on socialists germany (sorry don't know how it was named in english — east germany?).
<Tony_mac32> Currently reading Dostoyevsky, there are only so many hours :)
<archetech> then both countries will have bad food
<Tony_mac32> East Germany yes
<Tony_mac32> The DDR
<nekomancer[m]> DDR on place of EU
<archetech> btw this is all being logged by the nsa
<c0rnelius> Shit all this stuff happened five years ago to me. And people are now getting nervous they should have been nervous a long time ago.
<Tony_mac32> shrugs
<Tony_mac32> and yes
<c0rnelius> I mean besides it's free to keep showing up outside my house from time to time
<geraldog> I just made my PIONEER DDJ SR2 work on Linux
<Tony_mac32> everyone has an Amazon/google/apple listening device in their home on prupose
<c0rnelius> Whoever that freak is
<geraldog> Congratulations to myself!!
<Tony_mac32> whoa
* archetech turns phone off removes battery
<geraldog> it was a simple quirk on the kernel
* nekomancer[m] have no any "voice assistent" device nor smart tv with microphones
<Tony_mac32> how difficult was that geraldog
<geraldog> haha it's gonna be my first kernel patch :)
* archetech tape over laptop camera check
<nekomancer[m]> but there no any new devices without something like that :(
<geraldog> it was easy because there was already Pioneer gear in quirks-table.h inside sound/usb
<geraldog> Tony
<Tony_mac32> I have the physical shutter for all the cameras on computers. the cell phone is just a problem, not much you can do other than go to a dumb phone and remove some hardware
<Tony_mac32> geraldog awesome
<geraldog> ;-)
* nekomancer[m] goes into a dream
<geraldog> Tony I heard NSA had Trump's phone baseband chip removed
<nekomancer[m]> all have good time!
<Tony_mac32> later nekomancer[m]
<Tony_mac32> I can't imagine having a real-time tracker on the president on a public network is a great idea
* Tony_mac32 turns on some Alice In Chains to chill
<Werner> Good choice
<archetech> I Don't Need No Doctor
<Tony_mac32> 30 days in the hole
<archetech> Stone Cold Fever Humble Pie
* archetech 1 am pulls out amp and strat
<Tony_mac32> XD
<archetech> what bourbon will do
* Tony_mac32 has a cheap Peavey and a Fender Princeton 65
<Tony_mac32> enough to make noise
<archetech> listen close for a young Peter Frampton
<archetech> Line 6
<archetech> Tony_mac32, find a boubon replacement?
<archetech> r
<Tony_mac32> haha like I said, drinking the nasty-ish stuff to get it gone
<archetech> rule 1 when drinking bourbon dont run out
<archetech> beer no problem
<archetech> rule 2 whe ya hear a voice sayin one more .....dont
<archetech> lmao
<Tony_mac32> truth
<TRS-80> Tony_mac32: weather great here, thanks for asking fren
<Tony_mac32> he lives!
<TRS-80> might get stormy soon though, we will see: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/%3Cfe7aa296-9c90-463d-b4e6-50eeb7e57428%40localhost%3E#%3C822e93a85c0be9eab4f146757a370248@isnotmyreal.name%3E
* archetech plays something soft for the cat
<Tony_mac32> XD
<Tony_mac32> my cat is busy stalking spiders
<Tony_mac32> TRS-80 ruh-roh
<TRS-80> I don't care
<TRS-80> I said what needed to be said
* archetech red house should do
<archetech> hendrix style
<TRS-80> Directly to Drew, instead of bitching about it in #emacs and elsewhere. So now we see what happens.
<TRS-80> it's literally the only complaint I have about sr.ht
<Tony_mac32> yeah
<Tony_mac32> lanefu called me a savage, well, said we're not savages so I should use nicer syntax
<Tony_mac32> XD
<TRS-80> > update
<TRS-80> > update
<TRS-80> XD
<Tony_mac32> lol the sgjava post?
<TRS-80> Yes ofc! I had to go look, based on your comment. :D
<Tony_mac32> :D
<Tony_mac32> he does Cool Stuff with Linux (TM)
<TRS-80> I been meaning to tell him I find it interesting what he has been doing, even though I don't personally have any need at the moment.
<Tony_mac32> I dropped a line to the Giant Board dev with a link to that, I think his board would be a great place to use it
<Tony_mac32> it's an Adafruit Feather form factor Linux board
<Tony_mac32> running an Atmel Cortex A5
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<lp0-on-fire> I personally find sourcehut damn confusing and… just why the hell so many mailing lists ? :p
<lp0-on-fire> also accessibility to screen reader is so-so
<lp0-on-fire> and it sounds like a b**** to setup
<TRS-80> The UI is a little different, but I think most people objections boil down to "I'm just used to GitHub" (not saying yours do, necessarily).
<lp0-on-fire> nah I don't mind the ui, although I find it a bit confusing, mostly because for screen readers its… a bit meh
<lp0-on-fire> it's not because you get 100% score on lighthouse that your accessibility is perfect ;)
<TRS-80> easy to set up, they even have step by step guides on things perhaps less familiar like setting up ssh keys and email issue/patch workflow (which were the norm btw, before GitHub and still are in many projects including huge ones like Linux kernel itself)
<lp0-on-fire> yeah… I just don't like that workflow, but that,s a matter of personnal preference maybe
<TRS-80> They are still in Alpha, but I would bet money that Drew would work with you on something like that if you raised the issue
<lp0-on-fire> find it very hard to keep track of stuff I've done vs getting a ton of spam from all the things I don't actually need because I'm not even participating in that thread
<TRS-80> GitHub deliberately changed a word (fork) that had an existing meaning, just so they could enforce their stupid business need to insert themselves as middle men which is not only completely un-necessary but also a dangerous trend, taking something inherently DE-centralized (git) and making it centralized (GitHub) via a different workflow ("PRs" etc.)
<lp0-on-fire> TRS-80: hm, my personnal experience with him is that he expects me to make patches for his aerc email client, and when I'm trying to explain I just don't manage programming, I'm being told I'm only trying to find excuse not to code
<lp0-on-fire> sooo it kinda put me off
<TRS-80> he is old school hacker, that is considered encouragement ;)
<TRS-80> you can doooooo it :D
<lp0-on-fire> yeah right. I'd like to see him trying when he'll be blind
<lp0-on-fire> knowing that your screen reader doesn't tell you half the syntax and doesn't make any difference between lowercase/uppercase unless you move character by character
<TRS-80> yeah I don't even know how that might work
<lp0-on-fire> heh, neither do I and that's exactly why trying to program just hurt my head
<lp0-on-fire> I'd really like to learn
<lp0-on-fire> but… If I can't even get basic things like loops
<TRS-80> Sort of reminded me of the lengths one guy went to to set up voice to code (which is cery different than voice to regular text). He did a whole talk about it, it was fascinating, but a lot of work...
<lp0-on-fire> braille helps, sort of. But its damn expensive to have, not under $3k for the most cheap useful display
<TRS-80> s/cery/very/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: Sort of reminded me of the lengths one guy went to to set up voice to code (which is very different than voice to regular text). He did a whole talk about it, it was fascinating, but a lot of work...
<TRS-80> came across that while looking into F/LOSS speech to text
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<lp0-on-fire> sure there's a less expensive one, the orbit 20 they call it. Sells for $600 iirc, but its also very slooooow and 20 characters only, and missing useful things like routing cursors that allows to move to specific character in under half a second
<on2> Hi ppl :-)
<TRS-80> which incidentally has also come quite a long way, and I learned that voice does not need to leave your house to provide simple voice controls, in other words everything Google, et al have told us about that is total bullshit (imagine my shock)
<TRS-80> hi on2 :)
<on2> The new update-upgrade 'broke' the image on my ODROID N2!
<on2> ODROID N2 doesn't boot...
<lp0-on-fire> heh. I used to work with the dragon naturally speaking software from, who's it… nuance I believe
<TRS-80> I seem to recall possible some issue being discussed, hang on
<Tony_mac32> on2 any uart output you can share?
<TRS-80> on2: did you check forums?
<TRS-80> oh Tony_mac32 is this news?
<on2> Forums?
<on2> Not yet
<Tony_mac32> TRS-80 not sure
<lp0-on-fire> was damn good actually, I could control my pc and make it write how I wanted without too much hassle in just under two weeks of training it, and correcting typoes whenever it made some
<TRS-80> on2: listen to Tony_mac32, he higher level wizard than me :)
<Tony_mac32> meh
<lp0-on-fire> and over time it learned and made less and less typoes :D I found that super cool
<Tony_mac32> that is cool
<on2> any way to fall back? I believe is the new initramfs 20.11 over 20.08...
<TRS-80> This guy used that too, however with a convoluted setup in a VM (because Windows software) and then doing some other stuff in Python in Linux, etc... it was crazy (but in a good way). He tried to package it up so it wasn't so hard, not sure current status of project but I could dig it up if you interested lp0-on-fire ?
<Tony_mac32> on2 if it isn't booting anything requires an external machine to accomplish. That is however something TRS-80 was dealing with
<TRS-80> on2: This was just updated recently: https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Recovery/
<TRS-80> I would start with that
<lp0-on-fire> TRS-80: hmmm it could be worth checking, however this pc can't run a vm to save its life lol
<on2> I will check that link TRS-80, thanks!
<archetech> forget it reburn it
<TRS-80> on2: Yeah I mean, how much important data is on there? Sometimes starting fresh is just easier.
<on2> TRS-80: Fortunately, not much...I will take backup next time!
<TRS-80> if you are OK with it, archetech way will be easier / faster
<TRS-80> but you lose all data, ofc
<Tony_mac32> all right, off to bed. until the morning
<TRS-80> gn Tony_mac32
<Werner> Sleep well
<TRS-80> even if you are not interested in setting it up, I found it a fascinating video
<lp0-on-fire> oh, I'm interested for sure, but like I said, I can't really run a vm here
<lp0-on-fire> so I'll content myself seeing what he came up with lol
<TRS-80> one of his goals was reducing the hardware need, and that was in 2016, so...
<lp0-on-fire> hehe yeah
* TRS-80 got thirsty from all that Bourbon talk
<lp0-on-fire> :p
<archetech> lol
<geraldog> I figure open source software is Thelemic
<geraldog> It allows you to do what the hell you want to do with the software as long as you put work on it (DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW)
<geraldog> And it generally given away LIBRE as a gift of love for the community (LOVE IS THE LAW, LOVE UNDER WILL)
<archetech> pfft
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<stipa> hmmmmm, i have a wpa_supplicant service on my opi but honestly i'm not using it as a wifi client, this service came with the image. When i turn it off i have bad public DNS problems, i can ping them but name resolution is not working.I dunno what wpa_supplicant service has to do with DNS :/
<stipa> ├─wpa_supplicant.service
<stipa> │ └─1228 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant
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<lp0-on-fire> it has nothing to do with it
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<lp0-on-fire> this doesn't make much sense
<stipa> right
<stipa> yeah, it's the same
<stipa> fuck
<lp0-on-fire> so you never even used the wifi, so no way you could have a different route if the subnet is different, and once you shutdown wpa that route becomes useless ?
<stipa> i use wifi usb card in AP mode on the SBC
<lp0-on-fire> hm well AP mode shouldn't disturb dns…
<stipa> it's not the wpa service, something else is the problem, i was wrong
<stipa> it's back again
<lp0-on-fire> hm random idea… dnssec failure because system time is wrong ?
<stipa> hmmmm
<stipa> i have wrong time in the 4G modem
<stipa> saw it this morning
<lp0-on-fire> what about on opi 0 ?
<stipa> like someone did scan on my ip in 1970
<lp0-on-fire> LOL
<stipa> root@orangepilite2:/usr/lib/sqm# date
<stipa> Sun 29 Nov 2020 11:56:36 AM CET
<stipa> time looks ok
<lp0-on-fire> hmm
<lp0-on-fire> that was my idea for why dns might not work
<stipa> but, there is something in your idea
<stipa> something is wrong with the time in the modem
<stipa> and when i reboot it DNS comes back again
<stipa> but after some time it dies
<stipa> "dies" connection to the DNS
<lp0-on-fire> you typically have this on board that don't have any rtc, like on rpi… they try to update the time via ntp but fail to resolve the dns because the dnssec signature doesn't work at the time, so you cannot resolve dns but cannot fix your system time to resolve dns
<stipa> wow
<lp0-on-fire> yeah it is super annoying and only way I found was to disable dnssec
<lp0-on-fire> in systemd-resolved for example
<lp0-on-fire> or whatever is in use to resolve dns on the machine, aside from a manually made resolv.conf
<stipa> hmmm, i have that engaged in the 'pihole'
<stipa> i'll turn it off
<lp0-on-fire> you can do it easy by creating a drop-in at /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/dnssec.conf
<lp0-on-fire> then you add this inside
<lp0-on-fire> [Resolve]
<lp0-on-fire> DNSSEC=no
<lp0-on-fire> it might work or might not, who know
<lp0-on-fire> if there's one thing I like about systemd its the concept of drop-ins
<stipa> brb
<lp0-on-fire> you put files unders specific directories, and you can do whatever you like, they won't get destroyed by the next system update
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<djj`> hello I was wondering if the armbian build for pine64 was also working for pine64 lts?
<djj`> I followed the instructions there and https://www.armbian.com/pine64/#kernels-archive-all but I could not boot. There are lots of reason why it might be the case. I am confident that the hardware works as I could boot freedombox on it.
<Werner> Tried to put a serial console to it to get an idea what happens under the hood?
<djj`> I have an early version of pine64 (green light instead of red)
<djj`> @Werner, thanks for the suggestion. I only have an hdmi port
<Werner> You might not get any hdmi output from uboot since for some boards it is disabled for compatibility reasons. So serial console is the better option for debugging ;)
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<stipa> lp0-on-fire: thanks for the tip
<djj`> @Werner Ok thanks for the info. I know that hdmi is supported as well because I could get some output when I tried to install debian directly
<djj`> I could obtain a display but it didn't boot.
<Werner> There is still a good chance to get more/better output via UART, especially if you increase the verbosity in armbianEnv.txt
<lp0-on-fire> stipa: does it help ?
<stipa> i disabled dnssec in the 'pihol' , it looks ok for now, i'll let it run for few hours...
<stipa> lp0-on-fire: 'pihole' *
<lp0-on-fire> which board's running that ?
<stipa> orange pi lite 2
<lp0-on-fire> and you have things connected to it that suddenly fail dns or itself ? Just making sure I get it right
<stipa> 'pihole' it runs on many linux system
<stipa> yes, dns requests go to that software first
<stipa> and then from it to the oublic DNS server
<lp0-on-fire> right
<djj`> Werner: Tried verbosity=7 and no change.
<stipa> imliubo: almost there!
<imliubo> Yes!I'm so happy!
<stipa> The victory is close, I can feel it !
<imliubo> ahh Thanks!
<stipa> it looks like it could be just a register inside of the screen that needs to be set
<stipa> that mirrors the image in hardware
<stipa> or something like that
<stipa> maybe it's in the manual of the chip that runs the screen
<stipa> datasheet*
<imliubo> Yes,I'm looking datasheet now.I want to know how to just upgrade kernel?Everytime I compile all image,and it took too long time.
<stipa> yeah, that sux, what you could do is to include drivers as modules "m" and not bake them into the kernel with "y" that way you can switch drivers on and off.
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<stipa> so you could compile kernel with many drivers that you could potentially need and if one breaks you can unload it and load another
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<imliubo> "linux-source-current-sunxi_21.02.0-trunk_all.deb" this file I can "sudo dpkg -i" to install it,right?
<stipa> i have no ide, it looks like a kernel that chip manufacturers give to developers, it's not a driver i guess.
<lanefu> Fascinating observation about dnssec and no rtc
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<lanefu> imliubo: that should install the source
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<ArmbianTwitter> @MatthewCroughan (Matthew Croughan): @embedded_iot @psychemedia @andysc @planetf1 @DoESLiverpool @kleinee It's a terrible and non-portable script, but it works fine on armbian/raspbian. Can certainly take examples from it :) (11s ago)
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<stipa> lanefu: seems like lp0-on-fire was right, modem synced with time server, this are logs from the modem, notice the year before sync before i disabled dnssec in pihole
<stipa> 2020-11-29 11:16:09 User Notice User admin login from successfully
<stipa> 1970-01-08 15:10:10 System Notice SNTP sync success.server ip:,date:Sun Nov 29 11:14:33 2020,time zone:GMT+01:00
<lanefu> man post that story on teh forum somewhere for sure
<lanefu> i wonder if there's some startup sequenceing that would help
<lanefu> or just use an IP for primary NTP
<stipa> i'll just ride without dnssec
<stipa> They also say in pihole settings that it's buggy as hell and that DNS couldn't resolve, if that happens turn it off.
<stipa> but what time has to do with it is beyonf my skillset
<lp0-on-fire> stipa: I agree, ists completely buggy and I dislike that feature
<lp0-on-fire> that is in fact possibly the only thing I really dislike about systemd-resolved
<lp0-on-fire> stipa: time is important for dnssec
<lp0-on-fire> its like… hmm
<lp0-on-fire> like tls certificate validity
<lp0-on-fire> except those records expires in a matter of hours
<lp0-on-fire> dnssec validation requires proper system time
<lp0-on-fire> not having proper system time prevent dnssec from working, which in turns prevent dns from working, which prevent time from… yeah you get the idea
<stipa> i get the idea
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<stipa> there's some magic going on
<stipa> it's like dnssec takes over process that NTP does, it's like dnssec has integrated NTP inside, like a combo and if it fails some devices on the network could lose time. I guess that happened to me.
<stipa> a wild guess*
<lp0-on-fire> stipa: nah it doesn't take over ntp
<lp0-on-fire> stipa: its just that your ntp is configured to contact ntp servers by their domain names, and those can't be resolved until your system time is okay
<lp0-on-fire> ideally you have some kind of rtc always ticking when the device is off so your system time is okay from the first shot
<lp0-on-fire> ideally, that is…
<lp0-on-fire> in the real world more often than not the rtc can't be powered unless you leave the board always on. Especially on orange pi iirc, where the rtc doesn't have any kind of battery and depends on the power source always powering the whole board
<lp0-on-fire> for dnssec a few minutes of time off won't matter, but few hours or days and it could very well start to be a source of problems
<stipa> lp0-on-fire: so my modem is contacting DNS in my local network (pihole), i thought that it conttacts dns server directly on WAN.
<stipa> SebastianLee: i'll take a look
<stipa> lp0-on-fire: but i can't check that in modem settings, it's a locked one. I'll have to sniff ntp packets or smoething from the modem and see where they go...
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<stipa> soo, if i manually set the ip of the ntp server to take care of the clock the DNSSEC won't crash? is that the idea?
<imliubo> Hi,I solved it!Compile the image it took my so many time! https://makingfun.oss-cn-qingdao.aliyuncs.com/linux/armbian-learn/finally-I-got-this.png
<imliubo> I'm so excited!Thanks everyone for help me!
<lanefu> stipa: if there's a chicken and egg probalby with DNSsec and ntp, yeah my hunch is take DNS out of the equation... but this is all conjecture
<stipa> lanefu: right
<stipa> imliubo: awesome man, great job!
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<imliubo> thanks stipa!I really lack a lot of experience in this area, thanks for the help!It took my few days!
<imliubo> I will try to display the desktop in the next step. Any suggestions?
<stipa> np man, i'm CLI with Armbian for now but here is a guy renesee or something like that that is an ecpert in that field...
<stipa> he'll be here
<stipa> rneese
<imliubo> Ok,I try it by myself frist.
<stipa> yraha, just type your problems here, someone will answer...
<imliubo> Thanks stipa!
<Werner> Just be patient ;)
<imliubo> :) ok
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<imliubo> I find how to dispaly desktop! armbian-config --> system -> install "XXXXX"
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<imliubo> Goodnight everyone!
<lanefu> farewell
<Tony_mac32> hallo
<ArmbianTwitter> @AndroidSmartTV (AndroidTVBox.eu): 🔥#Station M1 and P1 Support Official @armbian OS now – #Deals #BlackFriday2020 #Cybermonday2020 @TeeFirefly @StationGeeker #StationPC #StationM1 and #StationP1 #Geek #MiniPC #NEWS and #hotdeal check here➡ https://t.co/eRtMvKBNn6 https://t.co/jliQMUdYAE (17s ago)
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<Tony_mac32> sigh, again with the Balbes images being called official
<Tony_mac32> I know it's in our side of the build system, speaking of I need to rearrange those patches, we can't just use "zzz" as the prefix for a random board XD
* Tony_mac32 makes note to propose some ground rules for patch nameology
<ArmbianTwitter> @NicoD99364191 (NicoD): @worksonarm @AmpereComputing That was a comment on my AWS Graviton2 ARM server review. I also reviewed the Ampere 32-core ARM server from Armbian. https://t.co/Z2MXilT1V6 I really wonder about that 80-core Ampere, certainly the 128-core Altra. Just amazing. Greetings. (28s ago)
<IgorPec> tony_mac32: hehe. glad that we know we support them :)
<ArmbianTwitter> @Br1anCarey (Brian Carey): @IronicBadger @kobol_io @m_wimpress @popey Yeah I was a bit worried about the software experience from reading through the Armbian forums. Also saw something about drives 3 to 5 not powering up after a while so keep an eye out for that. (19s ago)
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<TRS-80> hello frens
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<ArmbianTwitter> @popey (Alan Pope 🍺🐧🐱🇬🇧🇪🇺): @IronicBadger @kobol_io @m_wimpress Yes, that still ain't Ubuntu. It's Armbian. (21s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @IronicBadger (Alex Kretzschmar): @popey @kobol_io @m_wimpress Oh. When is ubuntu not ubuntu? When it's armbian!¡ But now I'm confused AF (common occurrence). How is armbian reporting itself as ubuntu under /etc/lsb_release and has ubuntu repos if it's not.. ubuntu? (8s ago)
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<lanefu> fromport: where'd you get your arm binaries for lizardfs
<TRS-80> some guy in an alley, paid cash :D
<ArmbianTwitter> @AlexRob12252696 (Alex Robinson): #pinebookpro Bullseye (Testing) Armbian images now available on https://t.co/feqvFJVPKx for those who prefer debian over ubuntu. @thepine64 (11s ago)
<TRS-80> lanefu: I keep reading whenever I get a chance. Main advantages of Nomad seem to me to be 1. flexibility in launching all things (incl binaries, etc) 2. wide support across all "clouds" 3. daemonless. Have I got that about right so far? Also lots of techy people seem to be very in favor of it's technical merits, from what I have read.
<TRS-80> I thought about making a forum post, actually.
<TRS-80> we can't be the only ones interested in such things, I gigure
<TRS-80> s/gigure/figure
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: we can't be the only ones interested in such things, I figure
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<TRS-80> yeah I am writing forum post now :)
<lanefu> TRS-80: your beat is correct
<lanefu> yeah good idea on the forum post
<lanefu> need more homelab conversations
<TRS-80> Thanks for confirm. Yes I don't have to keep bugging you now, and I think it's widely applicable
<TRS-80> take my own advice for a change "make a forum post" lol, but it's true IRC is only some small subset of community
<stipa> Only real men use IRC!
<fromport> lanefu: in the standard debian repository
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @IronicBadger @popey @kobol_io @m_wimpress https://t.co/6aMqyYkumr & https://t.co/QJrss9lbv4 (11s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @IronicBadger @kobol_io @m_wimpress @popey ZFS would work in a simple fashion if we downgrade kernel (which has little to do with Ubuntu/Debian kernels) to 5.4.y ... but then other functions or boards will stop working. ZFS should be possible to compile with 5.9.y ... check our and ZFS support https://t.co/UQ6PIXr3oJ (14s ago)
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