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<c0rnelius> Okay so that goes to my point. They're showing you such a low resolution image of what is actually there.
<c0rnelius> you think these people are going to spend all this money all this time they're going to invest all this interest in doing this without putting a high-res camera on that satellite?
<c0rnelius> How to seem a bit stupid in my opinion I'm sure it would seem a bit dumb in urs
<stipa> i agree
<TRS-80> Don't you realize c0rnelius, the dark side of the moon is where all the secret bases are? Hmm?!
<c0rnelius> Wow that is a conspiracy theory which is I guess open for debate but I'm not suggesting that there is any secret moon base there.
<stipa> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
<TRS-80> :D
<c0rnelius> as a matter of fact it be more productive to stick the moon base on the opposite side of the moon that was pointed directly at the Earth so that whole theory is kind of stupid
<TRS-80> I was joshing you, but good having an open mind rather than dismiss out of hand
<c0rnelius> I'll never dismiss it out of hand anything is possible
<TRS-80> the more I learn the more I think this way also
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<stipa> c0rnelius: Yutu-2 Deployed from the Chang'e 4 lander, currently exploring far side of the Moon.
<archetech> old school ...
<archetech> Sysinfo for 'localhost.localdomain': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.20.3 on PCLinuxOS 2020 powered by Linux 5.7.19-pclos1, CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5410 @ 2.33GHz at 2333 MHz, RAM: 1101/5954 MB, Storage: 40/149 GB, 181 procs, 0.32h up
<archetech> System: Supermicro product: X7DCA-L
<stipa> i have a 20 year old machine, some parts are missing
<stipa> amd Duron is inside
<stipa> i'm thinking of pimpingit up
<stipa> "Spitfire" Duron, 600 MHz
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<DigitalMan1983_> good morning, afternoon, and/or evening
<TRS-80> DigitalMan1983_: o/
<DigitalMan1983_> how's it going TRS-80?
<TRS-80> Good man, yourself?
* DigitalMan1983_ wishes he picked a cool vintage computer name for himself like C64
<DigitalMan1983_> not too bad, just got home from work, bout to roll one up and give the latest Armbian releasesa stab
<TRS-80> lol
<TRS-80> to each their own
<DigitalMan1983_> I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome will be, no USB but a fresh build is always worth a shot
<TRS-80> We appreciate your efforts. :)
<DigitalMan1983_> and I yours!
* TRS-80 mostly fucks off
<DigitalMan1983_> lol
* DigitalMan1983_ fucks of WHILE being productive....sometimes ;)
<DigitalMan1983_> *off
<TRS-80> I finally made first contrib to docs though recently. I'm sure there will be more now that the initial setup is done.
<DigitalMan1983_> ooh, what was added? I LOVE the Armbian docs
<stipa> mee to
<TRS-80> I can't take credit. Another guy wrote most of it. I just split it to its own page and polished it up a bit. https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Recovery
<Tony_mac32> digitalman1983_ which board?
<TRS-80> But I am working on another section about u-boot recovery, to add to that page.
<DigitalMan1983_> nice work man!
<DigitalMan1983_> A64 Lime (Olinuxino)
<Tony_mac32> oh right
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<DigitalMan1983_> stipa I've been amazed at how many of my questions have been answered by RTFM in Armbian docs :)
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<DigitalMan1983_> especially the build options
<stipa> DigitalMan1983_: right, it's best to start there
<c0rnelius> That Chinese lander stop broadcasting information within seconds after landing.
<c0rnelius> At least that's what they told the public
<stipa> lol
<c0rnelius> Then again maybe the Chinese just don't make good stuff?
<stipa> wrong link, sex
<DigitalMan1983_> Chang'e 4?
<stipa> sec*
<c0rnelius> A lot of people bringing up sex lately
<c0rnelius> Look up the moon landing actually footage though
<TRS-80> it were killed by the Nazis who have a base there
<c0rnelius> I mean seriously it's astonishing to me we have satellites revolving around the planet Mars that knows what it's weather is we know what it's climate is we know what here and there is with on that planet yet we can't decipher what the fuck is going on within the moon the satellite revolving around our own planet
<c0rnelius> Seems a bit of a conundrum to me there.
<stipa> it's fishy
<TRS-80> really makes you think .jpg :D
<stipa> c0rnelius: more pics of the far side https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_side_of_the_Moon
<c0rnelius> The man who developed rockets for the Nazis was the man who instituted and was the director of NASA in the beginning
<DigitalMan1983_> random question....do you still actually have a working trash 80?
<TRS-80> no but I think Tony does :)
<Tony_mac32> I do not have a Z80 based one
<Tony_mac32> I have 2 others though
<Tony_mac32> a CoCo 2 and a Model 100
<DigitalMan1983_> nice
<DigitalMan1983_> I have 2 dead commodore 128s :(
<Tony_mac32> I picked up a brand new Z80 machine that runs CPM because my brain is full of worms though
<DigitalMan1983_> at one time I was going to wire an ethernet interface to the user port and load a TCP/IP stack but my last commodore didn't make it to the end of that proect
<Tony_mac32> yeah
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<c0rnelius> And yes let's just get this out of the way there are no Nazi bases on the moon.
<Tony_mac32> you know what is incredibly upsetting to me? people taking *functional* old school machines and putting some pi crap in them
<TRS-80> How do you know that?
<DigitalMan1983_> the only time I've ever laid hands on a TRS-80 was when I was working in a machine shop where we had this ancient Antron CNC controller
<Tony_mac32> Heinlein made an excellent childrens book telling me the opposite
<stipa> c0rnelius: it seems like there are not, but those pics my be fake...
<Tony_mac32> according to Vox it's impossible for there not to be Nazis on the moon. :)
<DigitalMan1983_> every once in a while it would lose its marbles and we'd have to wheel out this cart with a TRS-80 on it to reload the logic ladder from a 5 1/4" floppy
<Tony_mac32> hahahaha that is awesome
<Tony_mac32> and scary
<Tony_mac32> what do you depend on? A trs-80
<DigitalMan1983_> yeah it really was pretty scary, we were doing precision grinding on jet engine parts
<TRS-80> DigitalMan1983_: It was one of my first experiences with a computer, programming BASIC in ~3rd grade as I recall, hence the moniker
<DigitalMan1983_> ah yes, I grew up on BASIC as well
<Tony_mac32> same
<DigitalMan1983_> can't code my way in C out of a paper bag haha
<TRS-80> C is just super pedantic
<Tony_mac32> I learned Pascal first
<Tony_mac32> after BASIC
<Tony_mac32> then C seemed very chill
<DigitalMan1983_> the funny thing is it wasn't like we couldn't afford better controllers, we had Fanucs on most machines....a few allen bradleys....but why they kept that Antron around I'll never know
<c0rnelius> I can assure you the moon was not sympathetic to the Nazi regime. And that Argentina was sympathetic to the Nazi machine and we're actually sympathetic to other people as well so it wasn't just exclusive to them.
<c0rnelius> There are actually a very few and then when I mean few it's probably less than 10 people that have my surname that live in Argentina.
<c0rnelius> And those were the people the Nazis were exterminated
<DigitalMan1983_> The moon is a dick.
<Tony_mac32> I think that's another Heinlein novel, the moon is a harsh mistress
<Tony_mac32> :)
<DigitalMan1983_> LOL
<DigitalMan1983_> reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Grand Theft Auto talk radio...."Mars is bullshit!"
<Tony_mac32> ROFL
<c0rnelius> The moon in a lot of ways is a mystery and actually drifts away further and further as time progresses on.
<TRS-80> t. radio in Fallout3, best ambiance
<Tony_mac32> very very slowly, but yes
<stipa> c0rnelius: we'll soon find out
<c0rnelius> And not only shift a climate as time progressed but also shifted speciation
<Tony_mac32> the instability of our planet's surface is a big reason for things being as interesting as they are
<c0rnelius> I don't know that we will soon find out but eventually I guess somebody will be the judge.
<c0rnelius> Absolutely
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* DigitalMan1983_ decides to try Armbian_20.08.2_Lime-a64_buster_current_5.8.6 first
* Tony_mac32 wants to know if he should put a STUSB4500 in his next bigger micro board to do what RPi failed to do the first time, support USB-C PD?
<DigitalMan1983_> USB-C standard is only going to get more popular as time goes on
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<Tony_mac32> well right, but the PD chip adds to BOM cost
<Tony_mac32> I guess I'll do it if I'm building something power hungry
<DigitalMan1983_> I see, what's the cost of the part and supplemental components?
<TRS-80> Tony_mac32: Yeah, I would say, it depends on the board, what you are trying to do, target market, power, etc.
<Tony_mac32> it's a couple bucks without any fancy support circuitry
<Tony_mac32> like a buck converter
<Tony_mac32> using linear reg. is cheapest but least efficient
<DigitalMan1983_> oh ok so just a small switcher
<Tony_mac32> at that point you're just overcoming the transmission losses by voltage hopping
<DigitalMan1983_> probably an inductor, diode and a few capacitors
<Tony_mac32> I'd probably want to use a smart one to keep things happy downstream
<Tony_mac32> the trick with USB-C PD supplies is they won't give you more than 400 mA if you don't have a smart endpoint to talk to them
<Tony_mac32> or at least the resistors in the right place :D
<DigitalMan1983_> huh....that seems pretty low
<Tony_mac32> avoiding fire
<DigitalMan1983_> ahh yes
<Tony_mac32> so if you're going to use the plug, you need to do something to make sure you can get the power
<DigitalMan1983_> USB got really complicated (Turns back to his USB 1.0 and 2.0 devices)
<Tony_mac32> well the protocol for 1.0 and 2.0 was just a flaming pile
<rneese> all boards should have reboot and power buutoons
* Tony_mac32 wrote a low-level driver in assembly on PC for the controller side
<rneese> buttons
<DigitalMan1983_> I did just upgrade to a motherboard that's got 3.0 but all I have that's 3 is a flash drive
<Tony_mac32> yeah storage and docking bays are the only real uses TBH
<rneese> well 3 iis going to become the standard
<Tony_mac32> not necessarily rneese, even USB-C has dedicated USB 2.0 pins
<rneese> 1.1/2.0 will die off
<rneese> ok
<TRS-80> Last I remember reading about it (~1 yr?), hardly anything was following the USB-C PD specs properly? Has that improved in the meantime?
<Tony_mac32> it's easier and cheaper to implement
<c0rnelius> rneese: out of curiosity when can't you just purge gdm or disable it with systemd? during image creation.
<c0rnelius> why*
<rneese> gdm is pulled in by one of the pkgs
<DigitalMan1983_> yeah, the furthest I got into that was when I was selecting an 8-bit micro and picked the one with USB support.....turned out if you wanted to use USB you basically had to take up all the program memory so there was no room for anything besides USB functionality
<rneese> and untill we find out what one its hard in the build
<c0rnelius> but can you u disable it after the fact?
<DigitalMan1983_> then realized how much there is to USB communication
<c0rnelius> ubuntu pulls in gdm because its sucking on Gnome...
<rneese> IgorPec, adn I are going to look into it once they fiinish housekeeping on new hardware and new release issues
<TRS-80> DigitalMan1983_: you ever try to include an ethernet stack? XD
<Tony_mac32> XD
<Tony_mac32> an 8051 with 2 USB host controllers
<rneese> but for the most paart we purge ubunntu specific ppkgs
<DigitalMan1983_> not on an 8 bit mcu :)
<rneese> we wtill have to fiind what pkg is pulling it in
<Tony_mac32> yeah it is
<Tony_mac32> it's an 8051
<Tony_mac32> lol
<rneese> as it happens on deepin and budgie
<rneese> so its bound to happen else where
<c0rnelius> I think just letting it remain and disabling it thru systemd might be the safer route.
<rneese> and there is no setup in the builder as it is to hold back pkgs
<stipa> Tony_mac32: that's cool
<rneese> they bboth are disabled by default when installed and re inabled when firstboot script is ruun
<Tony_mac32> it has almost no vendor support IC wise, I made a prelim platformIO platform for it but that project won't merge it lol
<Tony_mac32> SDCC will compile for it no problem
<rneese> soo we still have to figure out why lightdm is not starting correctly
<rneese> its in out debuug list
<DigitalMan1983_> oh no I meant I hadn't tried with an 8-bit micro
<Tony_mac32> ah ok lol
<Tony_mac32> everything important stays in the peripherals, but memory is a concern. The chip has an external memory controller for parallel RAM/ROM, but would be a waste of pins. It can do all kinds of stuff just the same
* Tony_mac32 has a batch of them ready but needs to test them/make new recommendation for flashing software
<stipa> so tis mcu
<stipa> it's
<stipa> no a microprocessor
<Tony_mac32> yeah, I make that one, an ATMEGA328PB one, and an ESP32 one
<Tony_mac32> I haven't made the leap to a SoC yet
<Tony_mac32> first is cost to develop
<Tony_mac32> since it's a hobby that pays for my hobby
<Tony_mac32> or at least reduces the cost of itself
<Tony_mac32> XD
<stipa> i always start with mcu and for some reson quit messing around with it
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<stipa> haven't stayed with them for too long
<stipa> i wanted to do some stuff for audio but there is already everything in DSP/Virtual
<stipa> mcu's demand a lot of love
<rneese> the issue is we need a board like the n2 or the t4 with more ram 8 gigs and 16 so we can do more more encoding and decoding
<stipa> ram is expensive
<stipa> someone said that some 64bit arms cant support more than 4GB because they have 32 bit memory bus or something like that
<rneese> well they will fix it . giive them time
<rneese> arm is a baby in the 64 bit state right now
<stipa> yeah, it'll be soon
<stipa> we'll be able to run few VM's on those :D
<stipa> but there is plenty of phones
<stipa> with 8 and 16 GB of ram
<archetech> when sbc makers stop using bottom barrel soc's then 8gb
<stipa> or when cool SoC's become cheaper
<stipa> that are in phones now
<archetech> rk3399 s922x arent powerful soc's bu they are low cost to get
<stipa> and tablets
<stipa> right, SBC's wouldn't be so cheap
<archetech> yup
<stipa> affordable*
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<archetech> fu man chu is in the house
<TRS-80> lanefu: look like you been busy, man. :)
<lanefu> yeah trying to stay a litle more focused
* archetech knows igor is sleeping we/I can chat safely
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<TRS-80> My understanding is the licensing costs for >4GB RAM jump up dramatically, and that is why you rarely see such devices.
<archetech> rk3566 info at pine64
<archetech> still uses a 32 bit mem controller
<archetech> ah and a G52 gpu like the N2
<archetech> Featuring four fast A55 cores running at 2.0 GHz, a modern G52 GPU, fast I/O (including PCIe, USB3.0, GbE and SATA) and up-to 8GB of [LP]DDR4 RAM, it is our choice for NON-Pro PINE64 devices to come.
<rneese> yes the AMLogic chip
<rneese> the rk chipps lack
<rneese> with pcie you can have nvme
<rneese> and thats the great part
<rneese> I wish HK would have put pcie on thir board and nvme port
<rneese> as its multi channel access where emmc is sing channel in and out
<rneese> 1 >in 1>out
<rneese> still fac=ster then sd but slower then sata and nvme
<Tony_mac32> freezer and a pair of NVMe's coming in the mail tomorrow XD
<rneese> why the freezer
<Tony_mac32> mine went kaputt and there are none in stock anywhere
<rneese> hiding a body or 2
<rneese> yeah i know
<Tony_mac32> allegedly
<rneese> my fridge went out took 2 weeks to get a new one
* Tony_mac32 also has to visit a pig farm coem to think about it
<TRS-80> we made mistake of looking for one during height of Kung-Flu mania
<rneese> lol ok
<TRS-80> (trying, to look for one)
<Tony_mac32> well it looks like that is also going "2nd wave"
<rneese> PIggy FLu
<rneese> funny thing is this
<TRS-80> masks from now on, the new normal
<Tony_mac32> man I hjad swine flu, that was a bit evil side for the digestive system
<rneese> I Have 7 friends who tested posative for COvid-19 and only had light flu like symtons
<rneese> and where fine in a week
<Tony_mac32> that's the majority of cases actually
<Tony_mac32> but when it isn't it gets bad quick for the individual
<rneese> i have yet to see any friend or friend of friend die from this
<TRS-80> But wait, I've got a great idea, let's shut down the entire economy!
<Tony_mac32> well our governor sent positive cases back to their nursing homes
<Tony_mac32> if the nursing home didn't comply they lost their operating permits
<rneese> better yet shhut down country no imports/exports triins planes or autombiles
<Tony_mac32> so...
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<rneese> honestly the answer is hurd immunity
<Tony_mac32> I mean if I get to run around like a bank robber with a bandana over my face I'm cool with that, give a thumbs up to the security cameras
<rneese> but it has to be mass hud
<Tony_mac32> XD
<rneese> hud/hurd
<rneese> the sooner we get to huurd immunity the more it becomes like the flu
<rneese> we will have covid-119 season like flu and cold
<TRS-80> The abuses of power (and stupidity) of most of "solutions" are my main objection to the whole thing
<rneese> shutting things down makes it worse 1 people stuck at home .. I am waiting to see what the baby count is next year
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<rneese> 2 is that as it is now its still less then what the flu mumps and measles have done
<rneese> and the spanish flu
<rneese> its all in how media plays it up
<rneese> and that has to stop
<rneese> but I digress
<rneese> life goes on
<rneese> 51 and who knows what tomorrow brings
<rneese> today is today and yesterday is goone
<rneese> so moove on
<rneese> 110-4 good buddy
<rneese> ok I have to clean this laptop kbd
<rneese> bbl
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<tonymac32> Yeah the mad unscientific rush to just shut it all down as a flex of government power is annoying
<tonymac32> but citing science that contradicts the politicians with degrees is heresy, we should stop
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<rneese> ok this should be better
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<tonymac32> consistent spaces and no repeating letters. huh
<tonymac32> :)
<rneese> yeah the keys dont stick
<rneese> lol
<lanefu> and your spelling has improved
<rneese> no more eating at the computer
<lanefu> lol
<rneese> lol
<tonymac32> I had a shared computer with another intern about 15 years ago
<tonymac32> she dumped a mt. dew into the keyboard
<rneese> ouch
<rneese> my issue is crumbs
<rneese> and oily/sticky fingers
<tonymac32> yeah, we also co-rented an apartment (opposite semesters), she got us evicted so
<rneese> not good for kbds
<rneese> ouch
<rneese> well time for bed pt at 7 am
<rneese> and the dog/son wants belly rubs
<rneese> chat tomorrow
<tonymac32> haha later on
<rneese> gn all
<lanefu> cya mann
<TRS-80> I try and eat away from computer as much as possible now
<TRS-80> This mechanical keyboard I have can be cleaned, but it's an undertaking
<lanefu> my only computer rule is no macbooks in the garage
<TRS-80> lol
<ArmbianTwitter> @fanum (fanum): @armbian @lanefu You mean other than the developers confession? Complicity it is (1s ago)
<TRS-80> I'm almost afraid to ask
<lanefu> just people that won't let the balbes misunderstanding die
* TRS-80 is glad he's not on any social media
<TRS-80> Twatter
<lanefu> yeah
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<archetech> somebody should do a build on the arm server 16 cores monitor it see how it does
<archetech> heat speed loads
<lanefu> nicod did pretty good measurements o nheat n stuff
<lanefu> its also 32 cores
<lanefu> you got something you wanna build?
<tonymac32> just use BOINC on it
<tonymac32> lol
<TRS-80> gn
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<lanefu> so fortunately balbes has an account now
<lanefu> and his armbian fork already can build on arm
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<archetech> no Im set but something to do
<nekomancer[m]> his armbian fork with 146 files changed in one patch. like oracle changes to linux kernel some years ago.
<nekomancer[m]> PWNed
<lanefu> lol
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<DigitalMan1983_> USB works on current release 20.08.2 (Kernel 5.8.6) for Lime-A64! Nice job guys!
<tonymac32> awesome
<Guest34474> what is ubuntu file manager
<Guest34474> sorry wrong search
<tonymac32> hello guest
<tonymac32> :D
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<DigitalMan1983_> unfortunately it would seem as though the audio controller for the line out is not configured....giving the current nightly build with 5.9 a try
<Tony_mac32> that might be in the armbian-config as a switch
<DigitalMan1983_> looked under hardware but didn't see anything there
<Tony_mac32> ugh alright
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<DigitalMan1983_> this also appears to be the case with the nightly build
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<yang> stipa: hello, I am still unable to change avatar on forum *sigh*, I'll make the screenshot
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<yang> stipa: top right corner with current avatar picture has no options inside to change it
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<rneese> morning'
<c0rnelius> rneese: check ur mail
<rneese> will do
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<rneese> sorry having network issues this am
<c0rnelius> Yeah I had to restart my modem this morning as well.
<c0rnelius> Among other things
<rneese> yeah I had to restart the laptop also the mouse started acting funky
<rneese> and the screen kept blinking
<rneese> so its all back now
<rneese> even reset router and modem
<rneese> we will see
<rneese> working on the img now
<rneese> adding the parts you listed
<rneese> and working to get the xorg in ppplace
<c0rnelius> I also checked to see if there was a way to just echo in lightdm with dpkg-reconfigure by using rc.local, but yeah I guess that doesn't work :D
<rneese> yeah once i finish thiings and have it fixed IgorPec said when he is done doing hiis things he would help look into it
<rneese> but they are doing some major updates . new server/build server and alot going on
<c0rnelius> I would think there has to be away to just disable gdm3 with systemd
<rneese> so I will try to get a new c4 img going for test with just the 1 issue
<c0rnelius> making it default to lightdm
<rneese> well both are disabled on first boot
<rneese> but there seems to be a odd issue we have to look at
<c0rnelius> oh... alright.
<rneese> foost boot enables lightdm after user setup but its failing
<rneese> foost/first
<rneese> so I will have to review the firstboot script
<rneese> but I meed breakfast back in 10
<c0rnelius> I think removing the need to create a root password would also be a good idea, as its a security risk.
<c0rnelius> if an advanced user really wanted root access they could simply sudo su or sudo passwd root and create one.
<rneese> thats in discussion along with blocking root in ssh
<rneese> waiting for waffles to pop
<rneese> lego my eggo
<c0rnelius> :)
<rneese> ego scram egg sami
<c0rnelius> I don't know that blocking root in ssh would really matter. if there isn't a password than what diff would it make? but I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything.
<Werner> Good day
<rneese> we are discussing it in the devel channel and i have to file a jira
<rneese> brb
* lanefu yard computing again
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<rneese> to cold here
<rneese> 34 out
<rneese> cold morning
<stipa> yang: Then go to "Profile" ,then lef of the "Content Count" should be your current logo and to the left down corner of that current logo you should be able to click on a small "picture logo".
<stipa> yang: ehn you hower above that
<stipa> logo it says "Profile Photo"
<lanefu> rneese:55 in my backyard.. I used to always tell my parents that the weather is always at least 10% better htan whatever it is in KY
<stipa> c0rnelius: rneese root access in the armbian shell for the first time is something i love about Armbian
<stipa> when i'm just in
<stipa> writing sudo non stop is little mad to me
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<DigitalMan1983_> morning
<stipa> yo
<c0rnelius> stipa: sudo tee /etc/sudoers.d/010_$USER-nopasswd <<EOF
<c0rnelius> EOF
<c0rnelius> prob solved
<DigitalMan1983_> was wondering if I could get access to the Atlassian/JIRA issues page
<lanefu> DigitalMan1983_: yep, DM me email you want to use
<lanefu> c0rnelius: super nerd pro-tip... editing sudoers is dangerous becuaes itcna brick it.. safest thing is to make changes in a seperate file, than validate with svisudo -c -f filename
<lanefu> then copy to sudorers.d or swaht
<stipa> c0rnelius: will write that down, armbian is running my wifi network so i can't try it right now, need to wait for a crash :D
<stipa> lanefu: oh
<rneese> ok well if the meson fix works then I should be alot better off
<rneese> and the package list changes will be pushed
<c0rnelius> lanefu: I'm not writing to sudoers, I'm creating a file that removes the need for a said $USER to not need a password.
<c0rnelius> so a simple sudo apt install $whatever just does it... no password required.
<lanefu> yeah same thing applies to suderos.d
<lanefu> but im sure its reliable
<lanefu> was just an FYI
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<rneese> this is where arm neeeds to get
<rneese> they have 8 and 16 gig with new arm chip
<rneese> man apple kills 3.2ghz m1
<rneese> nice
<c0rnelius> I myself have never suffered any ill effects by creating that file. It's essentially just a bypass switch.
<stipa> Apple Silicon M1, many won't even know it's ARM :D
<stipa> tablets with keyboards...
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<stipa> but the battery life is something really nice, it should charge only when the owner actually sleeps which is ok "The new ‌MacBook Air‌, for example, can run for up to 15 hours while browsing the web wirelessly. It will run for up to 18 hours while playing videos."
<stipa> "The new MacBook Pro’s battery will run for up to 17 hours when web browsing and up to 20 hours when playing video."
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<sensille> i run armbian on an orange pi pc2 and am trying to run ebpf/bcctools
<sensille> but i get tons of compilation errors
<sensille> are the tools supposed to work?
<sensille> bpfcc-tools is the package
<Werner> never heard of
<sensille> advanced tracing tools, i'm trying to find out why a process hangs for 100-200ms from time to time
<Werner> seems like a python thingy so theoretically should work since python is available for armhf/arm64
<sensille> python is only a small wrapper. it compiles c code and loads it into a sandbox running in the kernel
<Werner> if it compiles on x86 and the errors are not related to missing dependencies then the author might have used code that does not work on arm?
<TRS-80> sensille: Sounds like you compiling from source? I see some version differences in Debian packages
<sensille> no, currently i'm only installing packages
<TRS-80> also Deb packages show all arch
<sensille> i installed them, but on startup they compile some c-code, which fails
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<TRS-80> I would think installing Debian packages would give you best chance of it working.
<TRS-80> Just to be sure: you are using right Debian version, right?
<TRS-80> buster looks really old version
<TRS-80> I would try probably backports
<sensille> i just installed with apt install bpfcc-tools
<TRS-80> you on Buster?
<sensille> is it possible to get a wrong version that way? i'm a package manager n00b :(
<sensille> buster
<sensille> according to /etc/armbian-image-release
<sensille> i did a apt upgrade before i installed it
<TRS-80> yeah look at version for Buster on link I posted (8.0) vs what backports is at (16.0); huge difference
<TRS-80> sensille: Follow instructions here https://backports.debian.org/
<sensille> i can also upgrade the dist if that makes things easier. i installed it a while ago
<sensille> thanks for the link
<TRS-80> Since it sounds you are new to Debian, I would caution against trying to do too much stuff in Unstable of Testing, that can bring other problems
<TRS-80> but backports is a not too break-y compromise ;)
<sensille> ok, i'll try to work my way through that page, thanks :)
<TRS-80> the very first heading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian applies here very much, be warned
<TRS-80> ask me how I know :D
<sensille> i think that's how all my debian ventures in the past ended ...
<TRS-80> you and me both lol
<TRS-80> somehow all of a sudden you are just on sid
<TRS-80> I start to play with containers lately (Docker) as I also host some little services (and interested in doing more)
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<lanefu> welcome to containers
<TRS-80> :)
<TRS-80> > welcome to the future, you old curmudgeon! :D
<lanefu> TRS-80: checkout https://www.linuxserver.io/
<lanefu> all their containers are multiarch
<TRS-80> Nice man
<TRS-80> ofc you know how wary I am of centralization (Docker Hub)
<TRS-80> but Docker overall seems pretty decently open-sourcey
<TRS-80> I also really appreciate this OCI initiative
<TRS-80> I know this is you bag, been dying to pick your brain but I been doing OK so far I think just reading a lot on basics
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<TRS-80> And I know you seem to be busy lately. So I really appreciate the little bread crumbs you been dropping for me. :)
<stipa> you're such a nice guy TRS-80
* TRS-80 looks around
<TRS-80> Who, me? :)
<stipa> yeah man
<stipa> you
<TRS-80> Maybe it's why most people tolerate my idiotic ramblings.
<stipa> i hope you wan't give me a ban
<TRS-80> I never ban anyone
<stipa> won't*
<TRS-80> only some spammers on forum
<TRS-80> once it was real person, he started screaming immediately, shitshow ensued
<lanefu> yeah pretty much spam is only thing we ban
<lanefu> HAHAH
<TRS-80> oh you remember that, lol
<lanefu> also some people like wanna pick a fight and be banned, and if you deescalate it catches them by surprised
<lanefu> yeah i do
<TRS-80> faster than I could apologize or restore the post the guy start spamming threads HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED, etc.
<stipa> lol
<stipa> what a mess
<stipa> from his point of view he's right
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<TRS-80> I don't disagree, infact I sort of react same way on Kobol comments section before I knew them
<stipa> or was right
<TRS-80> such potential for misunderstanding on Internet
<stipa> yeah
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<DigitalMan1983_> well what the hell is that supposed to mean?! ;)
<TRS-80> > what do you mean "you people"?!
* stipa saveyourselves it's coming!
<[TheBug]> are you not people?
<[TheBug]> if so, what are you?
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<TRS-80> I update my (whatsitcalled?) yesterday. Mouse over my avatar on forums or look at profile page.
<TRS-80> banner pic? or whatever
<lanefu> yeah? is it a picture of 100 junk tires you pulled out of a ravine?
<TRS-80> I jove yours, tire fire, so appropriate for DevOps guy
<TRS-80> s/jove/love
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: I love yours, tire fire, so appropriate for DevOps guy
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> i really did pull out those tires out of a ravine down the street lol
<TRS-80> OK, I had to look again
<TRS-80> I had a whole different interpretation, apparently
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> good man!
<lanefu> well thats the magic of art
<lanefu> it is not the artist who gives it meaning
<TRS-80> as someone who studied the Humanities, can confirm
<yang> stipa: I don't have that icon
<[TheBug]> are you saying it's en-'tire'ly up to interpretation?
<stipa> yang: you really don't
<stipa> yang: i use chrome
<yang> ok I will try in chrome
<TRS-80> I use FF and block all sorts of stuff and I have it
<TRS-80> yang: you logged in?
<archetech> a friend put a pic of a stick on FB saying heres a stick then the arguments ensued no its a branch no its limb no its twig lol
<yang> stipa: I use Chromium, linux
<stipa> yang: win 10
<yang> TRS-80: yes
<TRS-80> hmm
<yang> a bug :)
<stipa> TRS-80: he doesen't have this button so he can't change his avatar https://ibb.co/VxnmDGD
<TRS-80> yang: Send PM to Werner on forums, he'll fix you up (maybe tomorrow)
<TRS-80> sleep time for him now
<Werner> not yet :P
<TRS-80> spoke too soon lol
<yang> hi Werner
<Werner> does it work now?
<yang> yes, what was the problem ?
<TRS-80> such service (for community project) very wow
<Werner> seems like you have to get rid of your validation status before you can do more customization to your profile
<[TheBug]> TRS-80: glad you feel so, make your feelings known even more at https://www.armbian.com/donate :D
<Werner> I did that manually for now
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: I am 1-2 years already doing so. :)
<[TheBug]> hahaha
<[TheBug]> I know you just set it up so well
<TRS-80> but you beat me to it, I was going to post https://www.armbian.com/get-involved/ instead
<yang> Werner: thank you :)
<[TheBug]> plus you didn't laugh at my tire joke ;(
<yang> Are you Werner, the singer ?
<Werner> the what?
<[TheBug]> LOL
<stipa> Werner: the superstar!
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: well we got into yang issue instead, before that I was going to post instantrimshot.com instead :D
<yang> Werner Brozović
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<Werner> never heard of
<TRS-80> Werner is German, methinks
<yang> he iss a popular singer here
<yang> ok
<TRS-80> the forum administrator of My People
<[TheBug]> lol, yang wants you to sing to him Werner
<[TheBug]> Werner: you should produce the Armbian theme song :D
<yang> lol
<stipa> i would buy it
<[TheBug]> should play at start up on Armbian ;p
<[TheBug]> how many reinstalls would it take before you would start ripping out the wav file before starting the image :D
<Werner> Maybe do rap like in how to armbian :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFrdyLc4g50
<[TheBug]> ROFL
<[TheBug]> Werner: better be careful or yang will be asking for your onlyfans :Z
<Werner> I forward them to nicoD, hes better singer :P
<[TheBug]> lol
<TRS-80> what treasure is this video :D
<yang> lol
<TRS-80> lies! I watched this whole video, did not see Werner doing any rap
<TRS-80> such dissapoint
<Werner> The curse of the world wide web. dont believe everything people tell you :D
<TRS-80> someone lied to me on the Internet! The hell you say!
<TRS-80> s/!/?!/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: someone lied to me on the Internet?! The hell you say!
<stipa> 90% of internet is crap
<stipa> useless crap
<TRS-80> unfortunately, yes
* TRS-80 likes this cozy little corner
<[TheBug]> At least once a day so is your toliet..
<[TheBug]> well full of crap..
<TRS-80> such philosophy
<[TheBug]> much wow
<stipa> before of the internet era you knew who is crazy
<stipa> on the internet it's hard to tell
<stipa> crazy people would be those who deal with theries, it's their favourite topic
<stipa> theories*
<TRS-80> oO
<stipa> you know
<stipa> aliens and that crap
<stipa> covid is fake
<stipa> that stuff
<TRS-80> > believing TPTB
<[TheBug]> No more like before the internet era communication was too limited for you to realize that most people are crazy, now that communication is so widespread, it just has become how obvious how crazy we all actually are...
<[TheBug]> s/how/more
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: No more like before the internet era communication was too limited for you to realize that most people are crazy, now that communication is so widespread, it just has become more obvious how crazy we all actually are...
<TRS-80> Internet helped me realize there are other people like me out there, I guess the flip sode of that
<[TheBug]> uh oh, are you one of 'those people'? :D
* [TheBug] chuckles at the full circle
* stipa stipa is normal
<stipa> but you can't escape crap on the internet
<stipa> it influences everyone
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<c0rnelius> only the idiots and the children
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: t. strong willpower :)
<TRS-80> unfortunately, those are the majority, it would appear
<c0rnelius> when you start believing what you see and read on twitter and facebook... you should probs stop going there ;)
<c0rnelius> for that matter... also turn off ur tv
* TRS-80 never went on FBook nor Twatter and cancelled his cable well >10 years ago
<TRS-80> jeez, maybe closer to 20 now? /old
<[TheBug]> If FBoook and Twatter merged would they call it FaceTwat?
<c0rnelius> In the real world I happen to disagree with a lot of people, but I stills get a long with them on a personal level. The webs... thats just a dumpster fire of shit.
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: how long did you work on that one? lol
<c0rnelius> sorry... Fakebook and Shitter!
<[TheBug]> Well BookTwit almost makes it sound intelligent somehow..
<[TheBug]> even TwitBook seems somewhat enticing
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: yep, people often forget their humanity over le tubes
<[TheBug]> FaceTwat seems the most obvious and sexual promiscious version..
<[TheBug]> sexually*
<c0rnelius> oh shit we all need to be sensitive now!
<c0rnelius> no one can take a joke anymore, its fricking hilarious
<[TheBug]> ohh is lanefu having his period? I didn't know it was that time of the..
<[TheBug]> lol
<stipa> day
<c0rnelius> lanefu needs some Bill Burr in his life
* TRS-80 thinks about stopping banter with lanefu. He is always a good sport, but never returns it.
<c0rnelius> For that matter Igor needs to start using some drugs, preferably downers. That poor man gets worked up :) Good fella, but the stress level there is a bit much to watch.
<lanefu> you guys think I have my panties in a wad about something?
<[TheBug]> lanefu: ROFL no, just messin with ya :D
<c0rnelius> most girls only wear panties at work?
<[TheBug]> lanefu: someone gots to keep you on your toes
<TRS-80> lanefu: no idea where that came from, you are the most laid back dude
<c0rnelius> right
<c0rnelius> kiss ass
<[TheBug]> c0rnelius was stating how everyone is a snowflake so I was just giving you a razz ;p
<lanefu> oh
* lanefu works for a living you all can eat shit
<c0rnelius> yup
<TRS-80> that's the spirit, lol
<lanefu> lol
<stipa> get it out
* lanefu puts away scream jar, gets back to stuff
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: For someone seeminly otherwise enlightened, I am a little surprised that you think attaining such states require substances (I have the same debate with one of my nephews, FWIW).
<c0rnelius> thats not what she said
* TRS-80 needs to also go do work
<c0rnelius> TRS-80: I'm not afraid. That is and always will be the difference.
<TRS-80> Maybe I am. Already prone to enough compulsion without drugs as it is. lol
<[TheBug]> work? what is work? I know that I have to sit here and do things for 8 hours a day.. are you trying to tell me thats what others call work?
<c0rnelius> If you ever wanna speak on a personal level I could tell you some things I've seen sober that were way more horrifying than anything I've ever seen under the influence of something.
<c0rnelius> But yes... As always! Eat ur vegetables and don't do drugs, children!
<[TheBug]> I only don't do drugs on days that don't end in 'y'
<stipa> i live healthy
<c0rnelius> Personally I take easy these days. But in my teen thru my 30s lets just say I didn't fuck around ;)
<TRS-80> Ofc not certain what you are alluding to, however some aspects of life can be considered horrifying. But to me it's just part of life. I consider this Orwellian dystopia we are living in just one such nightmare for example. lol But I press on in spite of it.
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: At the same time I no longer believe e.g. Reefer Madness sort of portrayal. Veggies are good for you. Carbs not so much (even though they made up the bottom and largest part of "food pyramid" for a long time, do they still?).
<[TheBug]> Well, if your over there drinking coffee.. your doing drugs.. Caffeine is a drug... if you are over there having Tea, again, your doing drugs... there are Caffeine and other natural drugs in Tea, etc etc...
<c0rnelius> TRS-80: I love reading as much as you apparently but ur dystopia is much more of a utopia than ur giving it credit for.
<[TheBug]> it really depends on your definition of 'drugs'
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: you beat me to it, was going to say Ethanol, but yeah
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: I don't even disagree. I think I must tend toward anxiety or something though. lol I mean, I don't dwell on it these days, don't get me wrong. Only when I think about it. But as I said I make effort to press on in spite (or because of?) of realizing all those things.
<TRS-80> I mean, look at all these cheap SBC we can get nowadays, run our own services, etc.
<TRS-80> Hence my strong support for decentralization, Free Software, etc. IMO it's the only hope we've got.
<stipa> it's nice skill to have
<ArmbianTwitter> @NicoD99364191 (NicoD): #Box86 on #RK3399 - #Windows #games with #Armbian Reforged #Linux / Preview https://t.co/EUCyzdQAww via @YouTube (15s ago)
<c0rnelius> the current situation I know looks bleak and it is to a certain degree, but... I feel eventually "or so I hope" people will stop being "one minded" and thinking of ourselves as humans "earthlings if you will" and move past all this race and unnessary disagreement involved with culture differences.
<c0rnelius> but... I guess one can only dream.
<ArmbianTwitter> @co7wt (Pavel Milanes Costa): Of curse: @armbian is the OS of choice for the Primes + @Docker & @portainerio 😎 https://t.co/ITHCjs4HuN (14s ago)
<c0rnelius> start thinking* probs should be in there :)
<stipa> c0rnelius: i think it has nothing to do with conscius mind, people are racists beacuse it's inside of the instinct.
<c0rnelius> stipa: to some extent I agree... but in others its taught and even suggested.
<TRS-80> I like you guys but I don't think eliminating cultural differences by making everyone the same is the answer, either.
<TRS-80> I also do not thing racism is the bugaboo it's made out to be. There are far bigger problems in the world. It is completely natural and normal to prefer other people who look like yourself. Only in "modern" Western civilization has this been propagandized against so hard for decades as to be now considered verboten.
<c0rnelius> no suggested eliminating anything. just accepting that "hey! that is different!" Like in the real world, we disagree and we move on.
<TRS-80> To put another was (shorter) why is Japan for the Japanese, Africa for Africans, but Western countries are for everyone?
<TRS-80> s/was/way/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: To put another way (shorter) why is Japan for the Japanese, Africa for Africans, but Western countries are for everyone?
<c0rnelius> TRS-80: maybe where you grew up this is the case... but the last thing I judge someone by is color, race or religion.
<c0rnelius> I judge by character
<c0rnelius> plan and simple
<stipa> if you're good to me i'll be good to you
<TRS-80> I was raised the same way. And I still don't care to this day. It's only in last severasl years, after decades of "white guilt" being thrown in my face in school, the media, etc. that I have had enough of it.
<c0rnelius> exactly
<TRS-80> sorry, fresh out of white guilt
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<c0rnelius> I don't care about white or black guilt... bunch of cry babies here in the US.
<TRS-80> comparing the two as if they are somehow is being disingenuous, I'm sorry
<TRS-80> somehow equal, sorry
<TRS-80> in modern West I mean
<stipa> TRS-80: some people are just crap and are using racism to achieve some goals of theirs... hence your guilt fobia
<c0rnelius> these people murdered how many people in order for you to live this life ur living and destroyed how many cultures and civilizations?
<c0rnelius> i'm suppose to care about white guilt?
<c0rnelius> or black or brown or red... all those cultures were guilty of this
<TRS-80> stipa: right, all the while saying "racism is bad" hence me pointing out the contradiction
<TRS-80> yes all of us alive today are here because our ancestors survive, propagated, killed, etc. Yet I have only seen white Western civilization criticized for this
<c0rnelius> I guess what I'm saying is, until we can look past the sins of our fathers how are we as a culture "humans" suppose to unit and really move on?
<TRS-80> my fathers did no sins
<c0rnelius> bs
<TRS-80> and I reject that guilt outlook completely
<c0rnelius> ur color is meaningless
<TRS-80> it means a great deal, to a great many people I realized (apparently) personally I don't really care
<TRS-80> otherwise why so much discussion of it?
<stipa> because they want equal rights
<stipa> in a sense, they want to tule America
<c0rnelius> In my opinion it comes down to just us living in this time
<stipa> rule*
<c0rnelius> If we were living say 6,000 years ago I don't think this would be a topic of conversation
<TRS-80> I agree it's a particularly "modern" problem
<c0rnelius> But because within the last 200 years culture has advanced so quickly that it's become a huge problem and a modern problem
<c0rnelius> And let's face it these millennials are a bunch of pussies and they like to cry about shit
<c0rnelius> not to put to fine a point on it ;)
<TRS-80> s/problem/"problem"/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 thinks c0rnelius meant to say: But because within the last 200 years culture has advanced so quickly that it's become a huge "problem" and a modern problem
<TRS-80> no that's not what I meant lol
<c0rnelius> ha
<TRS-80> I meant: particularly "modern" "problem" (add quotes to "problem")
<stipa> i don't know
<stipa> it's tricky
<stipa> America is land of the white people
<c0rnelius> That's actually pretty inaccurate
<TRS-80> it's only a "problem" if you are oligarch who want to flood the West with more workers so you can keep wager lower lol
<TRS-80> s/wager/wages/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: it's only a "problem" if you are oligarch who want to flood the West with more workers so you can keep wages lower lol
<stipa> if shit hits the fan and blacks occupy important positions it's going to be hard, things will be backwards if you know what i mean
<c0rnelius> Do you know that there were Black Pharaohs in Egypt?
<c0rnelius> It didn't appear to cause any major problems there
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: America was 85-90% white our entire history, until passing of 1965 Immigration Act, sorry
* DigitalMan1983_ opens door and pokes head in, slowly closes it and steps back
<TRS-80> DigitalMan1983_: LOL
<c0rnelius> And what was wrong with that immigration act?
<c0rnelius> Do you realize why that immigration act was passed?
<c0rnelius> was because after everybody eventually saw how the Germans exterminated thousands upon thousands of Jews and other people mind you they came to the conclusion that what they did was wrong.
<c0rnelius> They were turning away people before the United States even got involved into world war II turning them away.
<c0rnelius> Those people got sent to where they came from and they then died
<c0rnelius> I don't know what your problem is with South America but I assure you it's not a big one as a matter of fact if somebody there not wearing any shoes and can't speak the language is able to do your job maybe you shouldn't have that fucking job
<c0rnelius> Not to be a dick but it's a pretty simplistic way of looking at things
<TRS-80> My point was about America being a white country, you taking this somewhere else now
<TRS-80> as it's common misconception that "America is not a white country" and a very modern one, too
<c0rnelius> Because America was never a white country it was built on the backs of slaves
<TRS-80> I don't have any problem with South America? And not sure where you got that
<c0rnelius> And stolen from the indigenous people of that region
<TRS-80> That is just (false) whit guilt narrative, sorry no longer buying it
<c0rnelius> Well you keep saying you live out west so I assume you have a big problem with South America
<TRS-80> right of conquest has been a thing since forever, again why only Western civ now specifically being singled out for it?
<TRS-80> also natives were killing each other, blacks sold each other into slavery, none of these things we have been told hold any water if you study actual history
<c0rnelius> It's because you're lucky enough and I'm lucky enough to be able to speak my mind without any retribution
<TRS-80> unless you are white and question any of these things I am saying, this is verboten :)
<c0rnelius> Like I said before I'm not into that whole black lives matter movement or any of those other movements but I'm not going to sit there and just disagree with the reality of the way life actually is in the way things went down that's just silliness
<stipa> go with the flow
<stipa> and save your ass
<TRS-80> I would also just like to be left alone. But all these things been jammed in my face for decades now.
<c0rnelius> I feel your pain man you know what I do I just don't pay attention all that nonsense.
<stipa> TRS-80: well i call it "Make a fool of a normal man"
<c0rnelius> All my friends have always been of all races in all cultures I don't care where they came from how they got here what they had to do to get here are they nice people that's what matters to me.
<TRS-80> stipa: yes white is only one aspect of what has been lampooned, also males in general and all tradition (at least in Western Europe and USA, I don't think it is so bad in Eastern Europe but you tell me)
<stipa> TRS-80: Black people are here like Aliens, very rare
<TRS-80> I meant more the messaging in popular culture and the media
<c0rnelius> Blacks are rare?
<stipa> yeah, in Croatia
<stipa> like very very very rare
<TRS-80> Often here when a white male is portrayed (in shows) they are the villain, or a wimp, etc. People of color and women are usually the heroes now. It's bizarre. It's so bad, even normies are starting to notice.
<c0rnelius> guess what... there is no peps with my surname in Croatia.
<stipa> TRS-80: that's so wrond
<stipa> wrong*
<stipa> c0rnelius: ha ha, probably if it's Argentinian
<TRS-80> stipa: it is a massive white guilt campaign since decades now in the West, typical government shool version of history is exactly as c0rnelius outline (whites bad, kill natives, slavery, etc.)
<stipa> it's bad
<stipa> they're developing mentall ilness in normal people
<stipa> the world has gone bad
<TRS-80> In truth America was a nation of pioneers and settlers, expanding westward, unfortunately this can do spirit, idea of self-sufficiency, limited government, has unfortunately largely disappeared from the comfortable "modern" West
<TRS-80> stipa: yes a huge demoralization and guilt campaign, some of us finally say enough is enough, then we get called Hitler for questioning it
<stipa> i feel you
<TRS-80> s/West/US/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: In truth America was a nation of pioneers and settlers, expanding westward, unfortunately this can do spirit, idea of self-sufficiency, limited government, has unfortunately largely disappeared from the comfortable "modern" US
<stipa> it's just, crazy people are on mighty positions and they're trying with all forces to mould the world to their liking.
<TRS-80> ^ this
<stipa> but, you don't need to praticipate if you don't want
<stipa> in that world
<stipa> it's called freedom
<TRS-80> I don't
<c0rnelius> TRS-80: they did do all that shit
<c0rnelius> you didn't so why feel guilty?
<c0rnelius> have you been taking notes? look what the Spaniards did.
<TRS-80> Because this is a narrative we have been told, not actual history. And it has quite relevant bearing on the present.
<c0rnelius> holy shit
<archetech> not one mention of a morale just supreme being who cares and is involved?
<TRS-80> I don't feel guilty. Fresh out of whit guilt, as I said. :)
<TRS-80> you lost me somewhere, c0rnelius
<c0rnelius> its not a narrative nor is it subjective.
<c0rnelius> these things happened
<c0rnelius> its facts
<TRS-80> well I disagree
<TRS-80> and not to toot my own horn too much, but I consider myself quite a student of history (for long time now)
<c0rnelius> you ur self didn't participate in those acts but it doesn't change history
<TRS-80> you will never convince me to feel guilty again just for existing, now that I have emancipated myself from such notions, sorry
<c0rnelius> I'm not trying to make you feel guilty. I don't.
<c0rnelius> but I;m not so stupid as to ignore the struth
<c0rnelius> truth*
<c0rnelius> no offense
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<TRS-80> Each and every one of those white guilt narrative fall apart under more careful study. For example, did you know black Muslim slavers plucked whites off from the coast of Europe back in the day? I bet not, because that does not fit the chosen narrative. As just one of many examples. I could go on and on.
<TRS-80> Why was US Navy created? And "shores of Tripoli" in Marine Corps hymn? Look into pirates of Barbary Coast. etc.
<TRS-80> Who do you think gathered the black in Africa up to sell them to slave ships? Well, other tribes (blacks) did of course.
<c0rnelius> No shit, TRS-80
<TRS-80> Point being, every people (who were in position to do so) took slaves of all others since forever. Western countries were the first in the world to outlaw slavery. Fact.
<c0rnelius> The problem is you are preaching to the choir at this point
<c0rnelius> It doesn't change what happened. Just accept it happened you don't have to feel guilty about it and move on.
<TRS-80> I don't feel guilty, and I don't need to "accept" anything
<stipa> it's happening today with "paid" slavery "work"
<TRS-80> stipa: just more cleverly disguised, but yes
<stipa> you get paid enough to survive the month and come back to work
<stipa> every day
<TRS-80> s/don't/don't (and won't/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: I don't (and won't feel guilty, and I don't need to "accept" anything
<c0rnelius> well if you're unwilling to accept the fact that these things happened maybe you should feel a little bit guilty and that's on you
<TRS-80> fresh out of white guilt
<TRS-80> sorry
<c0rnelius> not everybody got a chance at this move to Argentina and just forget about all the things they did under their little regime at the time and their history where they thought that maybe they were being mistreated
<c0rnelius> Regardless it doesn't change what happened these things happened they happened then they happened there and they're part of human history we should just accept them for what they are and I know myself I don't feel guilty about it and I don't think you should either
<c0rnelius> anyway... lets drop this.
<c0rnelius> life sucks enough
<TRS-80> cheers, mate
<stipa> it just got interesting c0rnelius
<TRS-80> I think the rest of channel probably had enough for today, I can give it a rest lol
<stipa> party braker
<DigitalMan1983_> so, how bout that linux?! I mean, right?
<TRS-80> Emacs superior, vim peasants
<stipa> where should nano go?
<c0rnelius> wtf is Linux?
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<stipa> a toothpaste?
<DigitalMan1983_> ask the penguin
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<stipa> DigitalMan1983_: i would ask if i knew one
<DigitalMan1983_> so out of curiosity....is there any particular board/platform that is a "hot item" in terms of development?
<archetech> N2
<stipa> odroid N2+ gets mentioned alot
<DigitalMan1983_> cool, thanks....still a lot of bugs to work out or is it pretty well supported?
<stipa> DigitalMan1983_: it's "SUPPORTED" so there is a high chance it works ok https://www.armbian.com/odroid-n2/
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<[TheBug]> rk3399 is pretty popular atm as well
<[TheBug]> I can recommend a RockPi 4c, worth ever cent of the $60 you pay
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: thanks for report
<TRS-80> NicoD is pretty keep on NanoPi M4V2 for desktop use, according to some of his videos I been watching.
<[TheBug]> yeah its very similar platform
<[TheBug]> though I like the emmc modules a lot better on RockPi 4c
<TRS-80> I think it's only matter of time until I buy some RK3399 device, just not sure which one and for what yet
<[TheBug]> and also the m.2 interface
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: why are they replaceable?
<TRS-80> ok, go on
<[TheBug]> the M4v2 requires an adapter
<TRS-80> s/keep/keen/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: NicoD is pretty keen on NanoPi M4V2 for desktop use, according to some of his videos I been watching.
<[TheBug]> I Imagine performace wise they are on similar standings as both have lpddr4
<[TheBug]> but features is where its bit different
<[TheBug]> the RockPi 4c has USBC power supply with multi-volatge capabilities meanding if you use a good PD 3.0/QC 3.0 based supply you won't undervolt as it will move up to 9v/12v as needed
<[TheBug]> the m.2 slot is immediately usable without an adapter board
<[TheBug]> the emmc modules are a bit more friendly
<[TheBug]> dual video output -- though not a fan of mini-dp and yet to get it to work
<[TheBug]> and also I like the form factor a lot
<[TheBug]> as I haven't directly used the M4v2 and only been able to read / hear anecdontal summaries I can't really say for sure which is better, only the features I prefer that are there.
<stipa> [TheBug]: can m.2 slot be a pcie slot on the RockPi 4c ?
<stipa> like, could i plug wifi cards and whatever card into it somehow?
<stipa> that's not the m2 ssd
<Tony_mac32> stipa it is for NVMe so that should be PCIe so I can't imagine why not
<stipa> that would be ok
<stipa> thanks Tony_mac32
<Tony_mac32> no worries
<Tony_mac32> I had a *lot* of day job work today, so trying to catch up on the messages
<stipa> mostly offtopic
<stipa> stuff
<stipa> here
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: That's a good review, thanks! The PD actually works? First I have heard of that! lol Also I am interested in multiple monitors, actually. So I think it made my short list. I will do more research of cource, but thanks for the heads up.
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<TRS-80> Oh I see it's not actually working, belay that (just read again)
<TRS-80> maybe in time
<[TheBug]> well, rneese is also interested in making DP work on NanoPc T4 (also rk3399) so it is possible maybe once he gets it working there we can talk him into helping get it working on RockPi 4c
<[TheBug]> though he is waiting on a replacement board I believe
<[TheBug]> as his emmc died on his NanoPC T4
<[TheBug]> and it requires it for uboot I guess
<[TheBug]> I mean Raxda purports to have an image with it working
<[TheBug]> but main reason I think I haven't gotten it to work is I don't have a DP monitor, I have tried 3-4 different mini-dp to hdmi active adapters though with no dice
<[TheBug]> it may work on their image with an monitor directly connected by displayport
<[TheBug]> but I couldn't confirm that as I don't have a monitor to test that here
<TRS-80> aah OK, maybe I can help there if I end up buying one
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<TRS-80> yeah those adapters.. just another variable
<[TheBug]> If mini-dp worked though I would recommend it over RPi 4GB all day
<TRS-80> ddr4 though to my understanding require blobs? I mean, there are probably others too, but...
<[TheBug]> price to performance is better (though have to consider the 10$ shipping so you really only save I think 5$ between it and 4GB RPi)
<[TheBug]> I mean I am just using default uboot and Armbian image
<[TheBug]> if there is blobs in uboot I am not sure
<TRS-80> they are probably included
<TRS-80> even though we are called Armbain, this is not like Debian in that regard (afaik). lol
<TRS-80> I am not sure really even how many of these boards boot without blobs
<TRS-80> I tried to do some research here and there over the years, but it's hard to find out. Maybe I try again now that I learn more.
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<TRS-80> Also I am pretty sure I will never buy another actual RPi device. I had enough of their shenanigans.
<[TheBug]> TRS-80: one last note, while not related to Armbian the RockPi 4c also is one of the few boards out there that have a really good Android 10 image for it, with Google Services and working wonderfully.
<[TheBug]> I have 2 of them running Armbian as NAS servers and 1 running Android 10 on my desk here
<TRS-80> Interesting. It must be same as some phone chip then I would guess?
<TRS-80> Like ODROID-XU4 I think ~ Samsung s5, IIRC
<[TheBug]> rk3399 was originally meant for Tablets, so it has the Tablet version of Android 10 for it and then older devices have Android 8/9 images (RockPi 4A/B)
<TRS-80> yeah
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<DigitalMan1983_> ugh...adding overlays=analog-codec didn't fix analog audio on Lime-A64, just updated JIRA ticket
<DigitalMan1983_> looks like the only fix is a kernel rebuild
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