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<Tonymac32>
my neighbor is cleaning out his shed, so my shed has some new stuff XD
<Tonymac32>
including the top half of a rolling tool box, so a bit more organized :D
<Tonymac32>
somewhere to put all the Hazard Fraught tools I have laying around. (Pro tip: If shopping at a place like "Harbor Freight", look for the Taiwan-made tools, they are 100x better than the other ones)
<Tonymac32>
My tools are a hilarious range, from no-brand China stuff that was free to Knipex
<Tonymac32>
the Knipex pliers wrench is legendarily awesome
<archetech>
<lanefu> yeah it's like an atomic pi, but not weird or insane
* archetech
almost bought one
<lanefu>
nekomancer[m]: My previous company got bought by another company, then that company sold us because they fucked up.. and for some reason they mailed 1500 people some stupid fucking paper weight with the company "values" on them
<nekomancer[m]>
creepy
<lanefu>
and a little dellusional
<lanefu>
but yeah solid aluminum
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<stipa>
at least it serves some purpose
<lanefu>
yeah gave a lot of mail delivery folks work one day
<c0rnelius>
I don't believe the atomic pi was ever meant to be used as a desktop in the first place
<c0rnelius>
It's just a bunch of scattered parts that they put together and then turned into something else
<c0rnelius>
Pretty sure the resolution is that of a laptop really
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<stipa>
robotic arms
<c0rnelius>
The only real benefit is that it's x86 and has that stability
<stipa>
they designed those boards for robotic arms
<c0rnelius>
Mhmm
<stipa>
and company wwnt bankrupt
<c0rnelius>
So to expect any kind of grandeur from it is just silly
<archetech>
it tried to strangle a tech working on it
<stipa>
maybe even detachable like in those little boxes
<stipa>
nucs
<archetech>
rock X and otheres are 100+
<archetech>
odroid hc4+
<archetech>
120
<lanefu>
so yah Rock Pi X isn't a bargain, but if you want to do GPIO things with an RPI style header on intel and all the stuff works on it, in rpi formfactor its a decent purchase
<lanefu>
so FYI I didn't think the eMMC module performance was very good
<lanefu>
i really think its the chip itself tho.. cuz had similar performance on RockPi E i think
<stipa>
what's the speed of reading and writing?
<stipa>
around
<lanefu>
i feel like i was only doing like 80+Megabytes/sec using [TheBug] 's favorite desk io benchmark command `dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=64k count=16k conv=fdatasync; unlink test`
<stipa>
it's not that bad
<stipa>
at least for my standards
<lanefu>
nope its not.. just that for some reason emmc speeds on my orange pis with that test were waaaaay better
<lanefu>
Xunlong doesn't cheap out on emmc i guess
<stipa>
maybe
<stipa>
they had to go cheap on something
<stipa>
for that price
<lanefu>
also if I ran Mate instead of pop-os i'm sure it would have felt spunkier
<lanefu>
maybe i should give it another try
<lanefu>
i've been trying to use my odroid n2 as a desktop for religious purposes
<lanefu>
k well maybe on another day we'll try setting "legacy" to their kernels and see how it goes
<archetech>
I mean they do alot of stuff for hardkernel idk whos who over there very well
<archetech>
legacy?
<archetech>
you mean trunk
<Tonymac32>
lanefu that's nothing
<Tonymac32>
:D
<chewitt>
I have no relationship with odroid .. other than they send me samples when I ask for them
<archetech>
ding ^
<lanefu>
archetech: legacy is armbian terminology, we have 3 kernel categories... legacy, current, dev
<archetech>
od then curr or dev
<archetech>
ok
* Tonymac32
doesn't care about legacy, likes to let vendors make their own crappy kernels for that
<Tonymac32>
;)
<lanefu>
well with current and dev, we should to use the same base off of mainline and patch accordingly
<lanefu>
aka current,dev would be like for all amlogic
<archetech>
lanefu: you showed me a git file last week for 5.10rc1
<lanefu>
legacy is where we use bsp kernel and similar
<archetech>
what happened
<lanefu>
yeah on allwinner
<lanefu>
dev kernel
<archetech>
well convert it to amlogic and go
<archetech>
chewitt can point ya to the patches easy enough
<lanefu>
well you're missing context
<archetech>
I can give ya a mesa config
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<lanefu>
as far as "convert it to amlogic and go"
<archetech>
I probly am missing more than that ;p
<lanefu>
haha yeah
<lanefu>
anyway as far as our paradigm i'd probably use the legacy kernel to tinker, but yeah maybe we can diff some stuff or look at chewitt's patches
<archetech>
no idea your build flow its too complicated with all the families same as arch
<Tonymac32>
archetech why do you need 5.10 RFN? :D
<archetech>
why not
<archetech>
same work as 5.9.x
<lanefu>
archtechian is a sweet distro that supports 2 SBCs
<lanefu>
works great
<Tonymac32>
A lot of work to get patches across when I'm still debugging 5.9 XD
<Tonymac32>
for current
<archetech>
lanefu: yes come see my distro
<lanefu>
you should be building my images instead
<lanefu>
of me sendin stuff to you to try
<archetech>
armbian builder reminds me of a toupe
<Tonymac32>
I chased Linux mainline dev with rockchip for a while and burned out fast, now I only worry about the kernel after it at least hits official release
<Tonymac32>
I have some organizational ideas for the builder, but I am also weak in bash
<archetech>
lanefu: you can do that but what would you send me old stuff mixed with new I think
<Tonymac32>
and my work/life/hobby/Armbian balance has been off
<archetech>
ive tried to cooperate w you on the kernel and mesa all along just no interest
<archetech>
so im like ok ill leave ya alone
<lanefu>
well in my defense you were like "i think its some of these patches on this thread"
<lanefu>
and i was gonna have to dig through iwthout context and hunt shit down
<lanefu>
i was more interested in helping you get patches into armbian builder so that it fit the design pattern we use
<lanefu>
so maybe i miscommunicated
<lanefu>
and i'd certainy like to make another attempt at it after we ship the v20.11 release
<archetech>
ok
<archetech>
I get too many mixed messages here no keen on assiting so I just throw out my progrees reports so ya know whats possible
<lanefu>
haha yes.. inspirational kernels lol
<archetech>
najust patch 5.9 or 5.10 ur choice
<archetech>
but chewitts got a patched kernel I think but using that flysin the face of the armbian way
<archetech>
which I dont get I thought you guys used ayufans kernel on some boards
<Tonymac32>
that was the "vendor" kernel
<Tonymac32>
so linux 4.4
<Tonymac32>
legacy
<archetech>
chewitt: you got a patched N2 kernel we can pop into a armbian N2 build?
<Tonymac32>
legacy for Amlogic is 4.9 unless something changed
<lanefu>
archetech: so at one point armbian had like unique stuff for everyboard, and it was unsustainable
<lanefu>
so pivoted to focus on mainline kernels and patches destined for it
<archetech>
I C
<archetech>
so can you pull that repo into the builder chewiit was kind enough to give us
<lanefu>
putting link to repo in my notes
<archetech>
you have the chops there or Id do it
<archetech>
probly a one liner in the config
<archetech>
that would give me a base image to test mesa on
<archetech>
and for rneese
<lanefu>
will probably need to scrub patch directory when i run it.. will have to see where it barfs
<archetech>
and his new N2
<lanefu>
yeah he's pretty excited about that
<archetech>
I have what need im just trying to brainstorm for ya
<lanefu>
anyway not gonna tackle that tonight, but yeah will have to tinker with it
<archetech>
ok
<lanefu>
cuz i'd be good with swappoing legacy kernels for it, or maybe just diff and slurp the patches out
<archetech>
chewitt: ? here does tobetter pull from you on kernels for odroid ubu mainline builds?
<archetech>
or vice versa
<chewitt>
neither
<archetech>
no relationship with him tech wise?
<chewitt>
partial
<archetech>
I see posts fr you over there
<chewitt>
often tobetter will do the first pass of the new device dts
<chewitt>
then myself with help from narmstrong will redo it properly
<chewitt>
and I will send upstream
<archetech>
ah ok
<archetech>
you are libreelec dev?
<chewitt>
then at the next kernel iteration after the change is merged, tobetter will rebase hacks on upstream
<chewitt>
inch by inch, the difference is reduced, which we have to call progresss
<chewitt>
yes, I work on LE mostly
<archetech>
cool
<chewitt>
dev is bending the truth a little tho, I do packaging not code (IMHO)
<archetech>
thats gotta be a fun place
<chewitt>
it's fun apart from Amlogic, which is just a f**king chore
<archetech>
all that gpu/vpu fun
<chewitt>
due to the lack of people working on it
<archetech>
I hear that alot amlogic dont offer much eh
<archetech>
heres a snazzy soc have fun like rockchip
<archetech>
least you got a line to narmstrong and that gang at panfrost must help alot
<Tonymac32>
OK, I verified Armbian still has audio on Meson GX and GXL, Igor said he tested G12
<lanefu>
I bet the hazing to get in the amlogic club was intense
<Tonymac32>
HDMI out* I should specify, I forgot to check the potato headphone jack (we should have the drive patched but I think I missed stuffing it into the asound.conf)
<chewitt>
amlogic seems to attract self-entitled users and lots of idiots
<archetech>
rneese was informed by igor on n2 audio fix
* Tonymac32
thinks that is code for TV Box users
<lanefu>
yeah TVBox users == sweet xda-developers.com man
<chewitt>
the fix I saw for audio on G12 is incomplete as some devices have audio on TDMOUT_A and others TDMOUT_B .. which needs mixer differences
<lanefu>
s/sweet/sweet rom from /
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: yeah TVBox users == sweet rom from xda-developers.com man
<archetech>
chewitt: I resemble that remark ;p but I do test and source build all the stuff that flows out to git
<archetech>
chewitt: is that due to c4 vs n2 ya think?
* archetech
grumbles about devs using family vs per model configs
<Tonymac32>
nice part about 120V in the US, it is waaayyyy less likely to turn you into plant fertilizer than the 240V used elsewhere
<Tonymac32>
that's why we can get away with our 120 year old plug standard
<lanefu>
i still dont understand 208 power vs 220
<Tonymac32>
oh man, don't
<Tonymac32>
:D
<Tonymac32>
208 is a component of a wye 3-phase system
<Tonymac32>
(WYE is literally spelling out "Y", the relationship of the phases and ground)
<lanefu>
so it like not 180 degrees apart like the higher volt 3-phase stuff?
<Tonymac32>
so if you go phase to phase on a 3-phase (say you stick a meter on leg A and B of the three phase), you are measuring the peak voltage between 2 120V phases
<Tonymac32>
which are 120 degrees apart
<Tonymac32>
;)
<Tonymac32>
because 360 degrees in a circle, 3 phases
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<lanefu>
lol yeah i neabt 120 lol
<Tonymac32>
wellllll then you have 240 V single phase
<Tonymac32>
which is what comes into your house
<Tonymac32>
the nuetral is the center point of a +/- 120V swing
<Tonymac32>
180 degrees out of phase just to make sure your brain doesn't get used to anything
<Tonymac32>
also all numbers are in RMS
<lanefu>
so square
<Tonymac32>
I'm trying to find a solid diagram so I can make your head hurt, but it all comes down to phase - phase vs phase - neutral
<Tonymac32>
and if you're using Delta, well, your electrical system was designed by a pyromaniac
<lanefu>
I gotta crash. Will have to take the makeup quiz. Appreciate you explaining / making head hurt
<lanefu>
Ooo that is a good link tho
<Tonymac32>
throw a phase of that delta circuit to ground and figure out what happens to the other 2
<Tonymac32>
:D
<Tonymac32>
have a good one
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@ericepe (Eric Poscher-Mika): @letsencrypt is there a way to install #certbot with nginx plugin without using #snapd on @armbian? Oh yes, use the ppa: https://t.co/VECIMGC1ME and "apt-install certbot python-certbot-nginx" (19s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @ericepe @letsencrypt Those tutorials - not sure it it 100% covers your case - usually works perfectly: https://t.co/ncOGY0m98S (21s ago)
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<rneese>
morning home from pt
<rneese>
whats the skinny
<rneese>
wee have sound on the n2 kernel
<rneese>
it works welll
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<Werner>
Good day
<lanefu>
howdy
<IgorPec>
lanefu morning
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): Reaching almost to the half of the goal ... 1st building block also arrived @asrockinfo TRX40D8-2N2T Thank you for support! https://t.co/PHL3Hi6wT1 (11s ago)
<IgorPec>
lanefu: beta images were made
<IgorPec>
i just didn't rename or move them yet.
<lanefu>
ahh yes... secret images
<lanefu>
IgorPec: where you gonna rack new server
<lanefu>
Slovenia Office?
<ArmbianTwitter>
@Poddingue (Bruno Verachten 🍰): @armbian @ASRockInfo Fantastic ! Can't wait for the rest of the machine to come in! https://t.co/3wZgDfltlf (11s ago)
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<stipa>
I have lived in Slovenia for a bout a year, they have great internet speeds there, at least in Ljubljana.
<stipa>
optics i think
<IgorPec>
lanefu: slovenia means only electricity costs :)
<IgorPec>
stipa: when did you live in Ljubljan?
<stipa>
hmmm
<stipa>
2012-13
<stipa>
something like that
<stipa>
just a sec
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<IgorPec>
right.
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
2013
<IgorPec>
armbian started around that time ;)
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<lanefu>
stip proably lives a block away
<stipa>
I'm in Croatia
<IgorPec>
aha, i was there two weeks ago
<stipa>
first country at east
<stipa>
nice
<IgorPec>
lanefu: any ideas how to setup this server for best benefit
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<lanefu>
IgorPec: yeah I have some thoughts :)
<IgorPec>
storage ATM is 2 x 1TB pci4 nvme in raid0
<IgorPec>
is there a need for more local storage?
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<lanefu>
only thought is use NVME just for "work" and use seperate smaller simple sata SSD for boot and OS disk
<lanefu>
makes it easier to de-couple if we need to rebuild or whatever
<lanefu>
and snapshot, backup
<IgorPec>
boot can be done from USB :)
<lanefu>
gross
<IgorPec>
board has USB 3.2 socket
<lanefu>
common it's not a freenas box
<IgorPec>
hehe
<IgorPec>
so one additional normal sata drive?
<Werner>
Two small sata ssd in raid1 for OS ?
<IgorPec>
DOM is probably too expensive?
<lanefu>
oh dues it suppot sata DOMs like ona super micro?
<IgorPec>
yesm 2 x DOM
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<lanefu>
can it do hardware raid onboard for those
<lanefu>
but yeah 64-128 gig DOMs would be just fine
<IgorPec>
i assume yes
<IgorPec>
- TRX40: 2 x SATA 6Gb/s; 2x SATA DOM, support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10
<IgorPec>
i also overclocked my desktop to gain few seconds
<IgorPec>
but yeah power consumption jumps
<IgorPec>
3990x
* lanefu
votes for keeping is simple and stable
<lanefu>
we bought server class hardware because of that
<IgorPec>
which can't be superclocked :)
<stipa>
that's life
<archetech>
<IgorPec> storage ATM is 2 x 1TB pci4 nvme in raid0 is there anything faster ?
<stipa>
maybe a ramdrive
<IgorPec>
yes
<archetech>
only thought is use NVME just for "work" and use seperate smaller simple sata SSD for boot and OS disk
<archetech>
fr lanefu seems right
<IgorPec>
dual raid0 in raid0
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
quadundant
<IgorPec>
this is job for nvme "overclockers" :)
<IgorPec>
but in that case additional pci card will need to be installed
<archetech>
no onboard sata3 ?
<IgorPec>
it is
<IgorPec>
we will use it for boot doms
<IgorPec>
2 x 64gb in raid1
<archetech>
I never boot fr raid
<IgorPec>
hardware raid
<IgorPec>
i propose usb boot but lane doesn't go with that :)
<IgorPec>
board has nice USB A connector
<stipa>
it screams for USB to Micro sd card adapter
<IgorPec>
I have 16Mb SD card somewhere ... is it enough to store grub? :)
<lanefu>
lol
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<stipa>
ok, did my first compilation process
<stipa>
but, the kernel is way back in the past,whre can i select which kernel version i want in the ./compile.sh process?
<stipa>
i don't want the newest bcs it's "broken"
<Werner>
If there was no option then your board either has one target only or others are hidden as dev only
<stipa>
didn't see it, orangepilite2
<stipa>
it compiled as 5.4.75
<stipa>
i don't want 5.8.6
<stipa>
i want 5.7.15
<stipa>
which is now stable and running on the board
<stipa>
10 days and going strong
<Werner>
Not possible and not supported. You have to tinker yourself to get older kernels running
<stipa>
oh
<stipa>
just great
<Werner>
My OPi1+ (Allwinner H6 too) had 40 days uptime with 5.9.0-rc5 btw. :)
<stipa>
so if i select
<Werner>
sunxi has three targets atm. legacy is 5.4, current is 5.9 and dev is 5.10.
<stipa>
oh
<IgorPec>
this is how our system is setup
<IgorPec>
support this is already very hard
<stipa>
i understand
<Werner>
Each kernel branch for each board family has its very own patchset that is applied over the sources. So providing multiple targets per board (if possible) is already a lot ;)
<stipa>
cd
<stipa>
ups
<stipa>
i'll go with what i got, it's not a problem
<stipa>
thanks
<stipa>
ok, one more time with "current" selected
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<stormchaser3000>
I wrote a rather simple device tree overlay to overclock the RockPro64 and Pinebook Pro. Would anyone like me to share the dts file just in-case it could be useful?
<stormchaser3000>
(actually two files because I modified the first one slightly for the Pinebook Pro)
<Werner>
Feel free to create a topic on forums to show them :)
<IgorPec>
another arm server is promised for as a donation and its much more powereful, at least 80 cores
<IgorPec>
storm: Yes!
<stormchaser3000>
ok, thanks
<stormchaser3000>
should be submitted in a few minutes if I do everything correctly :)
<stipa>
IgorPec: also arm machine?
<archetech>
yes the build hardware changes maybe document it somewhere what we had what we got now whats coming
<IgorPec>
only arm machines :)
<IgorPec>
+ we can pick two arm rk3399 clusters for free, but not sure what to do with them
<stipa>
giveaway
<IgorPec>
you mean we pick it and give to community?
<stipa>
who ever
<stipa>
for promotional causes
<stipa>
of Armbian
<IgorPec>
we get it for promo
<IgorPec>
if i give it away i only have troubles with arranging this
<stipa>
oh
<IgorPec>
those machine are not running armbian yet
<stipa>
what do the expect in return?
<IgorPec>
i would only pick it up if someone in the community is willing to do something with. distributed armbian builing is our only use case, but we would need to rework system again
<stipa>
do they*
<IgorPec>
i don't know yet, but probably enough to show X device is useful
<IgorPec>
i am sure its not plug and play, so we would probably need to sort things out
<archetech>
let lanefu put one ina dmz for building
<IgorPec>
i don't have it
<IgorPec>
its optional pick up
<stipa>
IgorPec: someone has to write usable OS for those boards...
<IgorPec>
which development daily costs exceeds such machine
<IgorPec>
which is why its easy to get
<stipa>
right
<IgorPec>
but why would we deal with it is the main q