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<stipa>
hi DigitalMan1983_
<lanefu>
Hi ElectricGuy
<TRS-80>
Ohai DigitalMan1983_! (sorry we were busy drafting some release notes) :)
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* [TheBug]
slaps DigitalMan1983_ around a bit with a large trout
<DigitalMan1983_>
LOL
<DigitalMan1983_>
my developer friend is coming over to jam in a few
<DigitalMan1983_>
trying to get him interested in helping support A64 boards
<lanefu>
sweet... get 'em jump in irc and ask questions i cant answer
* TRS-80
only greets people and tells them to make forum posts, does not actually know anything either
<DigitalMan1983_>
once we get our bearings on the Olinuxino I want to get a Pine64 and a different variant or two of the Olinuxino
<DigitalMan1983_>
I know there's others, orange pi, banana, nano
<DigitalMan1983_>
I know there's some we'll want to stay away from as well, probably won't mess around with Teres
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<DigitalMan1983_>
TRS-80, any news on the u-boot guide endeavor?
<DigitalMan1983_>
I was looking for the forum post earlier today and couldn't find it
<TRS-80>
Nah man, everyone been too busy with a release.
<ArmbianTwitter>
@6502_ftw (Cold November Dave): @jhamby Fun fact, BTW: Thomas Kaiser, who maintained a lot of the AppleTalk stuff in netatalk, is now one of the lead devs for the Armbian project, which is probably the best broad-based Linux distro out there for ARM SBCs. (5.4h ago)
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<[TheBug]>
ArmbianTwitter your stuck in a loop
<TRS-80>
I am guessing the bot re-plays the last tweet if it restarts or reconnects. Some of my XMPP clients do the same.
<lanefu>
hey sleep works! lane@pinebook-pro:~$ uname -a
<lanefu>
Linux pinebook-pro 5.10.0-rc5-rockchip64 #2378 SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 24 20:30:32 EST 2020 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
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<Tonymac32>
fragmentation of conversation
<Tonymac32>
weird sensation
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<lanefu>
don't eat yellow snow
<[TheBug]>
If it's brown, flush it down
<TRS-80>
Test
<Tonymac32>
fail
<Tonymac32>
:)
<TRS-80>
Ha! I am writing from bed, from my phone, via weechat-android relay to my main workstation! :D
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<Tonymac32>
lol
<Tonymac32>
then bouncing it off 3 satellites and one encrypted LORA link
<Tonymac32>
:-D
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<TRS-80>
> not 7 Boxxies
<lanefu>
LORA is interesting I wish there was a lora gateway near me
<Tonymac32>
I mean it's like $50 to put one up
<TRS-80>
> not living within range of the guy with the Swiss accent
<TRS-80>
What do you mean gateway? I only ever heard LORA discussed in context of home automaton / hacker stuff (as just a longer range transmission protocol).
<Tonymac32>
a gateway is the hub for all the devices
<TRS-80>
But lanefu said that as if it might be something he would log onto or something?
<Tonymac32>
You can register it with the things network so you can access stuff on Lora over the interwebs
<TRS-80>
Aah, OK, starting to make sense now. :)
<Tonymac32>
lanefu you like my quarantine mane and full on hoarder dungeon?
<TRS-80>
F/LOSS botnet?! :D
<Tonymac32>
Well you will be grumpy if you read too much about LoRa
<Tonymac32>
basically it's owned by Semtech
<Tonymac32>
proprietary
<TRS-80>
Haha you know me too well. I already found "LoRa uses a proprietary spread spectrum modulation that is similar to and a derivative of chirp spread spectrum (CSS) modulation." which has some IEEE standards around it, apparently.
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: dude I was just loling at that. Totally look like an engineer trapped at home
<Tonymac32>
hahaha I crossed the zero fucks barrier a long time ago
<TRS-80>
I will be getting into that stuff (among many other things) after I get my property...
<lanefu>
And now we know what I look like to a Weber carb
<Tonymac32>
now in June I had a full viking beard, but I had to go visit a manufacturing plant
<Tonymac32>
and LOL
<TRS-80>
Dude I always pictured you as much younger, based on your avatar. :D
<lanefu>
I might have been younger in said avatar
<lanefu>
I'm 39.. so in tranx
<lanefu>
Transition lol
<Tonymac32>
I have some silvers, but the mad ginger keeps them hidden
<lanefu>
Yeah I'm just happy to own hair
* TRS-80
sniffs
<lanefu>
And then somehow my previous job put a massive white streak on my head
<TRS-80>
t. Mister Clean with wizard beard
<lanefu>
Ha
<Tonymac32>
I'm blading, but it's in the Scottish way, just the peaks
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<archetech>
done with my yearly power supply reorg of x86 boxes
<Tonymac32>
oh?
<archetech>
well I add a new rig and it sets off me mix/matching
<archetech>
sfx atx matx itx atx
<archetech>
it a huge pia
<archetech>
pita
<Tonymac32>
sounds like it
<archetech>
its like my only ocd issue
<archetech>
this way I use off the shelf parts up
<archetech>
like a dell 2007 psu that makes zero noise but its old I must have silence since they sit next to me in the horseshoe
<archetech>
who has a "horseshoe" ? heh
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Tonymac32>
I just swapped out a 2009 WD enterprise drive that decided the day I was going to migrate it would be the day it went on strike
<archetech>
old mainframe days term
<archetech>
is ti dead
<Tonymac32>
oh yeah
<Tonymac32>
I hadn't heard that song in a while
<Tonymac32>
anyhow it didn't have anything important on it, it came in the old i7-3770 box I ebay'd for my daughter to do school work on
<archetech>
3770 like a dell/hp refurb ?
<Tonymac32>
yeah, an optiplex 7010
<archetech>
Ibought a i5 3570 new last yr ebay cheap
<archetech>
ah I bought a 710 mboard too then $12 shipped :)
<archetech>
7010
<Tonymac32>
yeah I use a 3770 for my build machine, my friends both bought one and stuffed an Nvidia 1660 TI in it and can play flight simulator and driving race sims no problem
<archetech>
put a G1610 in it and a stick ddr3 new rig $25
<Tonymac32>
haha nice
<Tonymac32>
this on had 8 GB in it already, and the TB HDD I just replaced
<archetech>
I like theat series sandy ivy still
<archetech>
that
<Tonymac32>
my 6800K is only faster because it has more cores from what I can tell in real world use
<archetech>
still got life
<archetech>
I skipped the 4xxx/5xxx then I got a I3 6100
<Tonymac32>
yeah the 4 was pointless, and I don't even remember the 5
<Tonymac32>
lol
<Tonymac32>
by the time I've used up the 6800K I don't know if I'll be buying intel, I guess I'll wait and see
<archetech>
skipped the 7/8/9xxx got I3 10100 quad 8thread cheap
<lanefu>
So what's s horseshoe
<archetech>
ever been in a large mainframe data center?
<archetech>
its where the operators sit surrounded by consoles
<archetech>
like the helm of a starship
<Tonymac32>
nice
<archetech>
I never bought an I7 and I like high value cpu's mainly so that means low end but theres nothing low end about a quad intel but the naming
<archetech>
I try to wait for the clearance like the ryzen 1600 for $80
<archetech>
10100 was same price so I snagged one on release
<archetech>
next is the 3600 if they blow those out ill upgrade
<Tonymac32>
this is my one ridiculous thing, my brother can't tolerate my lack of interest in upgrading things, so he orders stuff and sends it to my house
<archetech>
gotta see thru the cpu marketing game ryzen 5600 for $300 vs $80 1600 both have 12 threads ipc I dont need dont game
<archetech>
lol nice bro ya got
<archetech>
I could use some pity like that
<Tonymac32>
lol he made some decent choices and made out on a few risks
<Tonymac32>
so he can afford it
<Tonymac32>
for my part I could, but, well, I'm the kind of guy to keep driving his 17 year old Ranger because it still works
<archetech>
what only a 1600 heres my 1 yr old threadripper have fun
<Tonymac32>
rofl
<archetech>
me too common eng mind set
<archetech>
new an old guy when I was a kid he had a few Hudsons he could work on any part of those cars in his garage
<archetech>
and they were fast sedans when released in the 40's
<archetech>
another guy raced Donzi boats with 427 hemis
<archetech>
we came running when he fired em up
<archetech>
open headers was like the world was ending
<archetech>
to a 9 yr old
<archetech>
Life in detroit everybody wrenched
<archetech>
for pay then came home and wrenched some more !
<archetech>
Armbian users/devs are wrenchers I like that
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<Heisath>
Morning
<lanefu>
Morning
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<Heisath>
Wow lanefu already awake? Or still?
<lanefu>
Woke up should go back to sleep probably lol
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<Heisath>
Depends if you have to go to a 'real world' job in the morning
<lp0-on-fire>
hmm. Are there ways to measure what current something is drawing other than multimeters ? Like, maybe some kind of usb power logger or something that allows to see how much in mAh is drawn
<lp0-on-fire>
I want to know how much current my board's drawing but I have no way with multimeter because… well they aren't really suitable if you can't see a thing ;)
<lp0-on-fire>
I know right now its using 510 ~540 mAh but that's because someone told me so. I want to make its power usage drop. I figure if I disable things in the device tree that I don't use it could help at least a bit, but I don't know by how much
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<TRS-80>
Disgusted with every image hosting website I've tried to use lately, last night I wrote my own in ~10 lines of Elisp (based on a web host where I have shell access already).
<TRS-80>
running the function with point on any filename in dired (in Emacs) prompts for new filename, uploads the file to the host, and pushes the link onto the system clipboard
<TRS-80>
8)
<TRS-80>
...for easy pasting
<TRS-80>
lanefu: server mania at Armbian lately, lol
<lanefu>
Werner: that's in his 5.10 branch now? i guess i can just build dev image and test?
<Werner>
yep
<TRS-80>
c0rnelius: I like that site, I find it presents the information pretty well and I learned a lot there. Something I learned along the way is that a lot of professional web devs despise it, apparently they used to give some quite bad advice (apparently this is no longer the case, near as I can tell). But the canonical resource among pros seems to be https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ which is
<TRS-80>
more detailed (and les user friendly) but if you are really looking for the correct answer, it's probably there. I still end up on w3schools for most of "easy" answers that I just forgot because I don't touch HTML/CSS often enough.
<c0rnelius>
TRS-80: Yeah its pretty good resource.
<lanefu>
Werner: building
<lanefu>
if it works i'll try to port it back to 5.9
<TRS-80>
yes ofc it does, virt stuff been supported long time (I am on much older Opteron)
<stipa>
yeah, my cpu is close to time when it bacame common
<archetech>
guys eyeing any blk friday gear ? im thinking fanless px-450 psu
<lanefu>
nah I don't let them win
<lanefu>
it's not savings if i buy a bunch of shit i wouldn't otherwise :P
<lanefu>
sorry i was being grumpy
<lanefu>
i should look and see if ther's somethign fun
<archetech>
I get that I dont fall for the BF hype ive rarely bought gear on bf
<TRS-80>
That's the problem, too much hype and hardly any actual good deals any more, much less on anything you actually want. It's all so tiresome.
<lanefu>
Werner: fail. :(
<Werner>
Bummer
<lanefu>
Werner: I just removed all sunxi-dev patches and gonna try building vanilla now
<[TheBug]>
stipa: what problems did you run into, do you have the virtualization flags turned on in bios (asuming the spu support it) that should be the only hang-up for running KVM I can think of, if the CPU doesn't support virtualization flags then you pretty much are stuck with virtualbox as it just does strict emulation
<[TheBug]>
s/spu/cpu
<ArmbianHelper>
[TheBug] meant to say: stipa: what problems did you run into, do you have the virtualization flags turned on in bios (asuming the cpu support it) that should be the only hang-up for running KVM I can think of, if the CPU doesn't support virtualization flags then you pretty much are stuck with virtualbox as it just does strict emulation
<stipa>
[TheBug]: no problems at all, i'm runing Virtual box on the sam machine but it acts strange, i would like to try out KVM
<[TheBug]>
KVM is pretty straight forward if you get stuck in what to do let me know, I have some experience there ;)
<stipa>
[TheBug]: ok, i'll call for you if i get lost
<lanefu>
TRS-80: yeah man i would like to have a dead simple img uploader that supports paste from browser
<TRS-80>
lanefu: I came across a few F/LOSS tools that will do that when looking around last night. But I wanted something even lighter than that. Just straight file upload to host with no GUI, etc.
<TRS-80>
one in particular I thought was pretty neat, lemme see if I can dig it up
<TRS-80>
lanefu: https://github.com/psi-4ward/psitransfer might be what you are looking for? It's more like opensource Dropbox, but it has some nice features and seems modern and maintained.
<lanefu>
oh man perfect.. and it can upload to minio
* TRS-80
just needs to finish indexing his 6,000 memes now and will be all set
<[TheBug]>
6,000?
<[TheBug]>
memes?
<[TheBug]>
SUCH MEMES, MUCH INDEXING
<imliubo>
stipa: I think I have made a little progress tonight, but it’s time to rest again (I don’t want to take a rest, but I still have to work tomorrow), I will continue to try tomorrow night, thank you for helping me!
<Werner>
Not a practial one yet, just a steamhammer one :)
<lanefu>
like i dont even think its a dts thing
<lanefu>
but thats conjecture
* lanefu
misses his opi3
<lanefu>
no emmc on my pineh64 because i dont feel like figured out dts patch
<lanefu>
s/figured/figuring/
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: no emmc on my pineh64 because i dont feel like figuring out dts patch
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<[TheBug]>
lanefu: ADHD is a bitch.
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<[TheBug]>
;p
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<Zageron>
Hey I've been hunting around for the Forum rules, but can't find any. Is there any clear rule on how long it takes for the "daily post limit" to be raised?
<IgorPec>
7 days / 1 like / forum subsiption
<Zageron>
Thank you. I believe I do have a like, but am still unable to post replies. Would I be able to post a link here to the thread with my posts for an extra like?
<IgorPec>
your username?
<TRS-80>
Zageron: I'm looking you up now
<Zageron>
Thank you very much.
<TRS-80>
same username?
<Zageron>
Yes, Zageron.
<[TheBug]>
Zageron: well gave you a good excuse to come join us here, invite you to stay and hang around ;)
<TRS-80>
When was your last post? I'm not seeing it (yet).
<TRS-80>
aah found it
<IgorPec>
strange, forum perhaps have issues
<TRS-80>
Zageron: OK, I give you second like. Try now?
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<IgorPec>
it doesn't jump group ...
<Werner>
Most likely this is done in batch via cronjob that runs every 24h or so
<TRS-80>
oh ok you in admin panel I guess
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<Werner>
either wait or edit group by hand
<IgorPec>
yeah. i bumped manmually
<TRS-80>
makes sense, first like was lane 15 hrs ago
<IgorPec>
that it should be
<Zageron>
Ah I see, awesome. Thank you. :)
<IgorPec>
damn forum :)
<Zageron>
I can make posts now, appreciate it.
<TRS-80>
I may have missed this discussion, but is this needed on top of our manual moderation queue?
<IgorPec>
yes
<IgorPec>
there is no need that this is done by hand
<TRS-80>
I noticed quite few new people joining for Kobol recently that are hitting this limitation. I know I would be frustrated.
<TRS-80>
Some complaining about it, too.
<IgorPec>
this is forum, lets try to keep it that way
<[TheBug]>
ohh yeah, what are the complaints
<[TheBug]>
lets see
<TRS-80>
Well, it's annoying. Keep in mind perspective of someone joining for Kobol, these people are paying customers who bought a product and that is their official support forum.
<IgorPec>
because of kobol we will not change policy
<IgorPec>
we can probably exampt that club from any limits
<TRS-80>
stipa: man pandoc, it should be pretty straightforward. First you will need to download locally the html (or maye not, actually, perhaps you can pipe from like curl into pandoc?).
<stipa>
right, right
<TRS-80>
stipa: something like #12 at your link, except to pdf instead of markdown
<TRS-80>
but you see how flexible the tool is (and easy to use)
<TRS-80>
no more need of dealing with castles of JavaScipt and other BS on the "modern web" ;)
<stipa>
yeah, i tried 79 different online converters and they all suck
<TRS-80>
yep
<TRS-80>
same experience lately with image hosting
<[TheBug]>
TRS-80: actually I am starting to think by those posts that that board has power supply issues and is underpowering the drives under high load -- I posted some replies there in the forum on a few of those topics
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: Tonymac32: have either of you actually fully loaded your Helios board with drives and put it under any load?
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<lanefu>
[TheBug]: I have the original helios4, he has 64
<lp0-on-fire>
nekomancer[m]: hmm it seems like some visual product though
<lp0-on-fire>
I'm not sure, there's not really any kind of description that I can read
<lp0-on-fire>
but I see it has a lcd display
<nekomancer[m]>
some have bluetooth access to current data
<nekomancer[m]>
not all models
<lp0-on-fire>
yeah that much I saw, someone posted a link to one earlier. I forget who that was. But I'm not sure how it works, do they need a phone app or something to receive the data, or are they simply streaming it over bluetooth ?
<nekomancer[m]>
UMC34C
<nekomancer[m]>
need app
<nekomancer[m]>
but I hope there are just protocol
<lp0-on-fire>
heh, lets hope said app is accessible with a screen reader in the worst case
<nekomancer[m]>
I don't dig into, but it should be easy to google with model name and "logging"
<lp0-on-fire>
yeah
<Tonymac32>
[TheBug] I have 5x 4TB drives running right now, it's doing my Plex server and torrents for Armbian
<nekomancer[m]>
"export data to excell" you can see on a screenshot
<lp0-on-fire>
ah… that must be why I didn't manage to read
<nekomancer[m]>
why? word "excell"? or you disable all pictures?
<nekomancer[m]>
I don't know for this case, but in most cases for such simple data "export to excell" means "save to csv file"
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: can you put it under some type of high load for maybe an hour
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: tons of people on forum are saying its either hard freezing or giving sata errors after about an hour of high load on the drives
<nekomancer[m]>
so.. it
<[TheBug]>
I am wondering if faultly power supply there
<nekomancer[m]>
lp0-on-fire: it jut 20€. Try.
<[TheBug]>
I asked some others there on forum to test with a ATX power supply for the drives and see if that still happens, but not sure if anyone will have one spare to do that
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: okay I am speaking Helios64 then
<lp0-on-fire>
nekomancer[m]: aye, I certainly will
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<TRS-80>
I really am amazed it works without JS. So refreshing for a change! (also why I am loving sr.ht)
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
and i'm running it with nomad as a jaile standalone binary
<lanefu>
all principles have been satisfied
<lanefu>
except now i kinda wanna skin it lol
<TRS-80>
I am not familiar with Nomad, is that like a container?
<TRS-80>
sounds like not exactly
<TRS-80>
more lightweight than container? something closer to traditional BSD jail?
<lanefu>
nomad is a scheduler.. it can run containers, vms, lxc, java, binaries
<lanefu>
so yeah with the 'exec' driver, it's like a bsd jail
<TRS-80>
I guess I was referring to the "jaile standalone binary" bit
<TRS-80>
ok
* TRS-80
is taking mental notes
<TRS-80>
But that's cool man, you made the world a slightly better place today! :) Every move towards decentralization, away from castles of JavaScript on the "modern web" should be applauded. Cheers, mate!
<TRS-80>
I need to study it, but I think for my needs it may be too much. Or maybe I get there, eventually. FWIW, your recommendations do carry a lot of weight with me, I know this sort of stuff is your bailiwick.
<lanefu>
[TheBug]: i used to have Jira running on armbian :P
<jock>
IgorPec: thanks :) I'll take a look
<IgorPec>
welcome
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: I'm sorry, you what now? :p
<jock>
IgorPec: thanks!
<lanefu>
[TheBug]: I had jira running in a container in my cluster of OrangePi's and le potato
<lanefu>
on armbian
<[TheBug]>
I swear you said you had something running on Armbian, but I couldn't comprehend the word that started with a 'J' there
<lanefu>
oh I had _Yira_ running on armbian
<TRS-80>
I don't doubt it needed a whole cluster
<lanefu>
that's just for scheduling purposes
<lanefu>
my jobs spawn wherever
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: :facepalm: walked away from my desk, I should have known what to expect when I came back :D
<[TheBug]>
;p
<[TheBug]>
nah its useful for what it is
<[TheBug]>
just a pain to maintain it all
<[TheBug]>
and debug when people do crazy stuff with it
<[TheBug]>
like load 50 different plugins
<[TheBug]>
and then go " Hey it doesn't work"
<[TheBug]>
I go "gee, wonder why? " :)
<lanefu>
yeah i think they're sunsetting the on-prem version anyway
* [TheBug]
whispers under his breath " THANK GOD ".. while his employer freaks out
<[TheBug]>
ha
<[TheBug]>
anyways
<[TheBug]>
I wish
<[TheBug]>
they allow you to extend licenses another 3 or so years
<[TheBug]>
hell there are people still using Confluence 3.5 out there that refuse to upgrade licensed or not
<[TheBug]>
so
<[TheBug]>
hehe
<[TheBug]>
One could only hope hope it would be that easy
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<TRS-80>
faak this link checking is tedious
<nekomancer[m]>
nice kilt. will order for summer.
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<archetech>
forgot how to align raid 0 manually on stripe width
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<DigitalMan1983_>
gobble gobble
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<lanefu>
it's the Turkey of a lifetime
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* [TheBug]
slaps DigitalMan1983_ around a bit with a large trout
<TRS-80>
finally finding my groove, maybe 75% way through this link mess now
<TRS-80>
These Docs need so much work. It's like driving past a car wreck. I try and not look too much and just keep going.
<[TheBug]>
We all know you just stood there staring like it was your first girlfriend flashing you her tits, don't lie ;p
<[TheBug]>
lol
<lanefu>
TRS-80:
<TRS-80>
you don't say
<lanefu>
Check out linxshare for android
<TRS-80>
ok
<lanefu>
It let's it be a share target for stuff and copies url to clipboard
<TRS-80>
My main use case was desktop. I think I have SyncThing for that? Unless I am missing something here?
<TRS-80>
OK, maybe not.
<TRS-80>
Yeah, cool.
<TRS-80>
So close to getting it in F-Droid, also.
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<TRS-80>
Suddenly I reached the end of this list, I thought I never would.
<jock>
Getting late for me, have a good continuation. Bye!
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): In less than three weeks we hit our goal of sum needed to purchase new, powerful (x86 based, Threadripper) build server, to replace the aging Dual Xeon which previously filled that role for some 4-5 years. Thank you! (25s ago)
<IgorPec>
we need to built 550 images for a release ... and it never goes well in 1st try
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<[TheBug]>
IgorPec: how about the second?
<IgorPec>
i had to start from scratch 3x and a few images still broke because of some repository problems ... i had to rebuild them separate
<[TheBug]>
;/
<IgorPec>
but today this whole problem is managable
<IgorPec>
it doesn't take whole day to rebuild
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<buZz>
it would be cool to see armbian also 'support' those 32core systems
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<IgorPec>
we already have far more hardware than capacity :) but if someone finds this interesting way to go, why not. None of the existing distros are not well polished, but they work
<IgorPec>
so extentind armbian to server areas would be nice, but ...
<buZz>
many armbian users already have pretty servery tasks for it
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<IgorPec>
i mean those high end / data center class
<buZz>
hmhm
<TRS-80>
finally, the buisiness model you been looking for, IgorPec :D
<buZz>
armbianterprise
<TRS-80>
I like Wizard Hat
<lanefu>
armbian edge
<lanefu>
:P
<TRS-80>
Armbian being community distro
<TRS-80>
lanefu: it's trendy, I give you that, lol
<lanefu>
it's legit too
* TRS-80
goes for a beer
<lanefu>
more iot means more data, means more pre-processing before shipping ot cloud
<TRS-80>
no shipping from this edge ;)
<TRS-80>
but you're not wrong (in general) unfortunately