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<nekomancer[m]> can somebody comment: did commit author on a github receive notification when I add a comment to line of commit?
<nekomancer[m]> Not on pull request, but already finished commit
<rneese> the commit would be on your tree only till you send pr
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<nekomancer[m]> rneese: no. I am talking about not my tree.
<nekomancer[m]> and not my commit
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<ArmbianTwitter> @pixline (Paolo T.): First official @LiquidsoapMedia arm64 .deb packages! Thanks guys! Works like a charm on RockPro64 w/Armbian: load is minimal even working with FLAC files, AAC encoding and SRT output. ❤️ https://t.co/V97LLf787p (21s ago)
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<exit70[m]> Hi hi new to the arm world of computing. I got a Rock64 right now. What should I expect in terms of gl or gles support?
<archetech> just try an image
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<exit70[m]> ubuntu bionic mainline does not seem to have a hardware gl driver enabled
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<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: you can comment, but it can be hard to find after notification. Personally I think it's best to just raise an issue referencing the line of code
<lanefu> exit70[m]: short answer. No. Longer answer armbian focuses on mainline kernels and accelerated desktop with mainline has historically been immature. Usually have to do your own work to configure that stuff
<exit70[m]> I see. Would bsp kernel version have the support then?
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<lanefu> BSP with armbian? .. it may with some of the images for allwinner H3 SoCs but usually we dont have the blobs for Mali etc
<exit70[m]> Okay I see
<archetech> lanefu: I have new sdcard that got encrypt locked by by phone I switched roms and lost the key
<archetech> can I get this carrd to work again
<nekomancer[m]> no
<archetech> tried win/lin formatters no go
<nekomancer[m]> just drop it.
<lanefu> archetech: dm me
<archetech> k
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<ArmbianTwitter> @sahajsarup (Sahaj Sarup @ home): @armbian Sick. That would've been my dream workstation back in the day. I remember drooling over dual socket Asus Workstation motherboards back in the day. Now everything's a chiplet 🙄 (10s ago)
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<Werner> Good morning
<lanefu> Hi Werner
<Werner> Hey Lane. Little late at your place, isn't it?
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<nekomancer[m]> good morning
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<IgorPec> good morning
<Werner> IgorPec, morning. You may want to auth yourself to nickserv somewhen since our node at fosshost needed restart yesterday
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @davidnburgess @lucyhattersley @ubuntu @Raspberry_Pi @canakit @argon_forty @SiliconPowerEN @Sabrent Solid for @Raspberry_Pi :) while FYI competition from @IloveRockchip have roughly 1000 Mbps or "one terabyte per second" - better R/W speed: https://t.co/UNX6ayMYoo Two years ago! Measurements: https://t.co/NQhg4cHo1h (8s ago)
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<[TheBug]> Now if only you could get an NanoPC T4 for a reasonable cost that would be actually impressive :Z https://www.amazon.com/FriendlyElec-NanoPC-T4-Development-Ethernet-Learning/dp/B07F1HH6FZ - almost $160 for it now :/
<[TheBug]> and thats with 13 left O_o
<IgorPec> i will get you one :)
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> well
<[TheBug]> the RockPi 4c also has faster memory
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<[TheBug]> which I didn't notice till I was just digging at it
<IgorPec> then t4?
<[TheBug]> I guess the NanoPC T4 has only lpddr3
<IgorPec> yeah, that's possible
<[TheBug]> I wonder
<[TheBug]> the M4v2 is lpddr4 isn't it?
<IgorPec> its 2 years older
<IgorPec> yeah
<IgorPec> i think so
<[TheBug]> I actually would like to know how much memory speed effects rk3399
<[TheBug]> hmm
<IgorPec> it depends
<IgorPec> what you will od
<IgorPec> do
<[TheBug]> well obviously it doesn't hold rneese back
<[TheBug]> ;p
<[TheBug]> IgorPec: not like I need the T4 atm but I did get 2 RockPi 4c and if I use both for replacing EBin then maybe nice to have a rk3399 to mess with for media.. but seems RockPi 4c is likely faster and cheaper at this point
<[TheBug]> waiting for them to arrive, hopefully this week
<[TheBug]> but I have heard rneese gloatins about how fast the T4 is as a desktop and I know he did some awesome work on the desktop so probably is a nice experience there
<[TheBug]> gloating*
<[TheBug]> hehe
<[TheBug]> anyways when is it coming to RockPi 4c :D gonna have to get me a m.2 drive to test out I guess and see what performance is there
<[TheBug]> that said
<[TheBug]> I did get emmc for the new boards
<[TheBug]> so I wonder what emmc performance will be like also
<[TheBug]> probably not as fast as nvme though ;p
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<IgorPec> it was recorded on t4 with nvme
<[TheBug]> yeah why I made my original comment ;)
<IgorPec> hehe
<IgorPec> lanefu: pinebook thros out E: [mergetrust] filter_elf ./build/rk3399/debug/bl31/bl31.elf file failed merge failed! ... not sure if I made this with https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/2266 or this is from before?
<archetech> with a usb3 to nvme the n2 will beat that easily
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<IgorPec> 1.4 Tbps via USB3 ?: )
<Werner> Isn't USB3 rated for 5Gbit?
<archetech> no the thegpu will give it the perceivable improvemnt
<IgorPec> hehe
<archetech> g52 vs t860
<IgorPec> RAW io speed has nothing to do with MALI
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<IgorPec> desktop will certainly run faster in overall, but the base of the q is SSD speed
<IgorPec> bummer for Amlogic is absence of PCI
<archetech> lol raw viewable speed from hdd sint whats seen the n2 can do ~350mb/s over its usb
<IgorPec> yeah, like RPi4
<archetech> so 350 vs 3500 isnt the thing ya see
<IgorPec> rk3399 goes 1400mb/s
<archetech> if it was 30 mb vs 3000 then yeah I/o becomes seen
<IgorPec> Around 3000 must be memory speed :)
<archetech> soon as pfrsot is ready we can do a set of benches
<archetech> panfrost
<IgorPec> why? we know s922 is faster
<IgorPec> but its IO is junk
<archetech> cuz you think i/o is the important part
<IgorPec> no, i don't think. I know it is
<archetech> ok we shall see
<IgorPec> since it always depends what you will do
<archetech> im taling desktop speed not nas
<archetech> talking*
<IgorPec> you are talking about speed that interest you
<IgorPec> like explaining computers video
<archetech> yes but that link is about desktop
<IgorPec> that link is about SSD speed
<IgorPec> but video is about desktop performance, yes
<archetech> Check #shortdemo of currently fastest #armbian (desktop) experience.
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<archetech> first sentence
<IgorPec> i didn't have other demo regarding SSD speed
<IgorPec> its a real demonstration, how ssd can boosts desktop
<IgorPec> like loading application speed
<IgorPec> not 3d renedring or playing video
<IgorPec> which is the only point of your interest
<archetech> and I say at 350 mb bs 3500mb of nvme its not gonna act that diff just due to that
<archetech> vs
<IgorPec> you are wrong
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<IgorPec> try and see
<IgorPec> 3500mb is memory speed of those boards
<IgorPec> so if you have nvme that runs that fast, you have extended memory
<archetech> nvme reads info ~3500mb/s
<archetech> good ones like samsung
<IgorPec> then T4 can have 2TB of memory
<IgorPec> not very fast compared to desktop standard, but compared to Rpi4
<IgorPec> or 4TB or 8TB dunnon which is the biggest nvme ssd you can buy
<archetech> ofc app loading would be better but the video is just wackin around in the apps after theyre loaded thats all gpu
<archetech> snappy windows etc
<IgorPec> yes, its slower but its not sloppy
<IgorPec> nana
<IgorPec> it runs pretty decent on rk3399, but once again, s922 is faster
<archetech> plus theres the temp diffs
<IgorPec> we all know that
<IgorPec> its good for certain tasks
<IgorPec> best
<archetech> 35c for n2 3399 runs hot
<IgorPec> i can hook 8tb nvme drive that runs fast and hot like hell. Can youi do the same ? :)
<archetech> dont need it for de use
<IgorPec> of course not
<archetech> im just glad I got the n2 not the 3399 for de use
<IgorPec> i got both of them
<archetech> they were both ~$80
<IgorPec> price for playing with does not matter
<IgorPec> 80 or 75 or 59 or 101
<archetech> i wont even respond to that
<archetech> 80 is alot of money for a hobby sbc
<IgorPec> i don't argue that.
<archetech> did you see the new odroid nas?
<IgorPec> you got a good DE performer
<archetech> the best
<IgorPec> you know what i think about USB connections?
<archetech> they suck?
<IgorPec> don't they?
<archetech> yup
<IgorPec> but nevertheless its an interesting device
<archetech> usb-c 3.2 does theoret 10 gb/s though
<archetech> havent seen that on many sbc's
<IgorPec> 3.2 goes 10gb/s
<IgorPec> tested on laptop
<archetech> the HC-4
<IgorPec> but the problem is that its nvme ssd drive - since its some low power eco friendly - barely swallos that
<archetech> I like it
<IgorPec> its usb
<IgorPec> just faster
<IgorPec> connectors are just crap
<IgorPec> also speaking of usb ... i am doing many experiments with USB connected multi gb NIC
<IgorPec> and even USB 3.1 speed is hard to get
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<archetech> Graphics: Device-1: meson-g12a-mali driver: panfrost v: kernel
<archetech> Display: wayland server: X.Org 1.20.9 driver: meson_dw_hdmi
<archetech> Device-2: meson-g12a-dw-hdmi driver: meson_dw_hdmi v: kernel
<archetech> N2 on arch with latest Gnome
<archetech> wayland-panfrost
<IgorPec> it works on armbian the same
<IgorPec> even audio works now :)
<IgorPec> werner: good move!
<Werner> As always. Btw what do you mean?
<IgorPec> closing tvboxes issue
<IgorPec> at least the moving part
<Werner> Well partially. I processed the moving part. But there is still the source code stuff to deal with.
<IgorPec> for notifying ?
<IgorPec> user they went too far
<archetech> you definatly dont have this on armbian
<IgorPec> why not?
<archetech> its got git packages and a 5.9 patched kernel
<IgorPec> ahha, they took patches from armbian
<IgorPec> good
<archetech> lol from armbian I highly doubt that
<IgorPec> then where from? from manjaro ? LOL
<archetech> hand made
<archetech> I know a guy kinda thing
<IgorPec> so you will send us patches since sharing is caring
<archetech> lmao
<archetech> just stick to what you best stable stuff
<archetech> do
<IgorPec> haha
<archetech> I do have a bullseye I'll play with soon let ya know how it goes
<IgorPec> no need, until you don't show stuff its BS
<archetech> you mean like proof?
<IgorPec> links to improvements
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<archetech> Vendor: Panfrost (0xffffffff)
<archetech> Device: Mali G52 (Panfrost) (0xffffffff)
<archetech> Version: 20.3.0
<archetech> Accelerated: yes
<archetech> Video memory: 3629MB
<IgorPec> yes? and
<archetech> need mesa master built w/ llvm
<archetech> you know how to find kern patches and drop into builder thats it
<IgorPec> ok, i think we had that in the mission plan for desktop
<IgorPec> idk why this is secrecy
<archetech> its not
<IgorPec> with a new desktop we want to make a better system to not need many dirty tricks
<archetech> well there is one of those on this
<archetech> in /etc/environment > PAN_MESA_DEBUG=bifrost
<archetech> remember this is active dev version not stable at all has bugs and will have for a while
<IgorPec> all 3d is buggy
<archetech> all wayland is too
<IgorPec> yep
<archetech> copy this chat for the other devs pls
<IgorPec> its recorder
<archetech> k
<IgorPec> irc.armbian.com
<archetech> got my own gnome on bullseye but yes ill tell others
<IgorPec> not a fan of DDE ? :)
<archetech> nope
<archetech> and I dont want to give your de dev any trouble ;p
<archetech> seems a little stressed
<IgorPec> rneese is not desktop dev
<IgorPec> he is integrating those desktops
<archetech> what no title ?
<IgorPec> engine is developed without users that makes troubles :)
<archetech> ah like AI
<IgorPec> nope. are you developer?
<archetech> engine = AI
<archetech> I have no titles
<IgorPec> not asking for your title
<archetech> that would be a npo then
<archetech> no
<IgorPec> do you have any clue development process looks like? or should look like
<archetech> yes and theres no one right way
<IgorPec> also true
<IgorPec> deskop hasn0t been released to customers yet
<IgorPec> "customers"
<archetech> customers implies for profit you mean users
<Werner> Some users feel this way :P
<IgorPec> if you abuse my time, you made profirt
<IgorPec> but yes, i mean users. we are developing things to get a better grip on the proces, a side effect is better desktop experience
<IgorPec> for users
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<lanefu> I'm still LOLing at the zinger about explaining computers videos
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<lanefu> IgorPec: what stage gives that bl31 firmware error
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<jock> hello!
<Werner> Hi
<IgorPec> hi
<IgorPec> lanefu: just compile u-boot, at the end
<archetech> bye
<IgorPec> bye
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<lanefu> IgorPec: yeah If I remember correctly pitor cleaned the debug stuff out of uboot for pinebook
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<lanefu> So merits a closer look.
<lanefu> It's a rainy day so I'll be able to do some hacking after I pick up a friend from airport
<IgorPec> LD build/rk3399/release/bl31/bl31.elf
<IgorPec> OD build/rk3399/release/bl31/bl31.dump
<IgorPec> E: [mergetrust] filter_elf ./build/rk3399/debug/bl31/bl31.elf file failed
<IgorPec> Built build/rk3399/release/bl31/bl31.elf successfully
<IgorPec> out:trust.bin
<IgorPec> merge failed!
<IgorPec> [ o.k. ] Cleaning [ u-boot/v2020.07 ]
<IgorPec> ok, l8r
* IgorPec enjoys sunny day
<Werner> Sunny here too
<lanefu> Yeah we had good weather yesterday. A Buddy came over and helped me work on taking down a tree
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<rneese> lanefu,
<rneese> where you runt
<rneese> dont make me hunt you down
<rneese> its will only get worse
<rneese> lol
<IgorPec> lane went to airport
<rneese> ahh ok
<rneese> just going to give a nudge
<rneese> it seems his rsync stopped doing its job
<rneese> lol
<rneese> lxqt built and worked
<rneese> and it used less the 500mb for just the desktop and running processes
<rneese> I was surprised
<rneese> so starting this week I am rm meta pkgs and going to rm all the ubuntu on each desktop
<rneese> thats my goal
<rneese> to get them cleaner
<rneese> how are you this am igore
<IgorPec> ok
<rneese> well gnome looks good yours worked the nmeta workedbut you had to use startx to run it
<rneese> gdm and lightdm would not start
<rneese> so the meta has issues
<IgorPec> how did you make image?
<rneese> I made both
<IgorPec> i fixed this problem
<rneese> ok
<IgorPec> now you need to manually run it
<rneese> yeah yours worked the one using the meta pkg did not
<IgorPec> how to theme gdm3
<IgorPec> there are instructions in the file
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<rneese> brb
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<rneese> back
<rneese> well I am going to finish all the work I canthis week as I will be gone for a week to week half
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<rneese> so i want to get things to a better point
<rneese> but its looking alot better
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<wooster> igorpec: i got the patches to work and build, no boot splash appearing on my SPI display tho :/
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @davidnburgess @lucyhattersley @ubuntu @Raspberry_Pi @canakit @argon_forty @SiliconPowerEN @Sabrent @IloveRockchip True. Typed faster then thinking ;( Thanks for correction! (13s ago)
<rneese> did you patch usboot to use spi as the main display
<rneese> your doing kernel not bl
<rneese> nm
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<tmaurice> hey ! is anyone having issues with systemd 241 + kernel 5.8 with ansible returning 'service XXX is in unkown state' ?
<tmaurice> I tried updating to systemd 245 from buster-backports but no luck
<buZz> maybe just check the status of the specific service
<tmaurice> the services are fine
<buZz> then ask systemd why it feels its unknown
<tmaurice> it seems very much related to https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/71528
<tmaurice> I wondered if anyone had a workaround
<buZz> so > Manually checking and starting works:
<lanefu> back
<buZz> thats a work around :P
<tmaurice> well that defeats the purpose of trying to use any kind of automation if I have to do things manually doesnt it ? :p
<buZz> then automate the workaround
<lanefu> tmaurice: talking about the systemd issue
<tmaurice> it seems to be related to a new kerner cap that systemd does not understand yet or some shit
<lanefu> right.. you'll see me comment son the ansible issue
<tmaurice> brilliant
<lanefu> but yes.. basically older versions of systemd did not make allowences for enumerating new kernel capabilities
<tmaurice> either way idk who among you are armbian maintainers but thanks for doing that btw, thats an amazing distro
<lanefu> so systemd ends up retruning 1 instead of 0
<tmaurice> thanks buZz
<lanefu> so yeah newer versions of systemd make allowences for it
<tmaurice> not the ones in backports lanefu apparently
<lanefu> so technically it's up to debian and ubuntu to backport the fix
<tmaurice> yeah
<buZz> tmaurice: its from your own link ;)
<lanefu> tmaurice: yeah when i mentioned backport i to worke don bullseye i think.. or maybe focal
<tmaurice> buZz: I know :p
<lanefu> and I looked into seeing if you can mask the capability.. but from what i can see that's more a task-orietned thing
<tmaurice> lanefu: thats ok no worries i wondered if someone had a straightforward fix
<lanefu> and there's not like a kernel flag you can pass
<tmaurice> I can wait for the backports
<tmaurice> I configured my nanopi r1 manually
<lanefu> tmaurice: eyah there's just not a straightforard fix.. it's either user older kernel, or find newer systemd unfortunately
<lanefu> i manage a bunch of armbian boxes with ansible so i def feel your pain
<tmaurice> fuck old kernels tho
<tmaurice> lanefu: in a hobby or pro fashion ?
<tmaurice> cause for me it is just my homelab so it is ok if it is kill
<lanefu> yeah this pertains to my homelab.... it's not a more widespread issue.. because most distros aren't running such a new kernel
<lanefu> so really only like x86 fedora people... and maybe some exotic cloud images are coming accross the issue where they have a new kernel and and old enough systemd
<tmaurice> I was actually amazed that armbian offered such a recent kernel tbh
<lanefu> but then poor fools like us
<tmaurice> even my laptop does not run that recent one
<lanefu> yeah -edge with ubuntu is like what.. 5.4?
<tmaurice> Linux thonkpad 5.4.0-52-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 15 10:57:00 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<lanefu> tmaurice: so if yo're using ansible just for starting services.. the service still starts
<tmaurice> yup
<lanefu> just systemd lets you down
<lanefu> so you could try the ignore_errors flag as a sloppy workaround
<tmaurice> yeah I just commented out the service directive
<tmaurice> and pulled a bunch of cables to reboot lel
<lanefu> but yeah i have a bunch of different SBCS running armbian at home running hashistack
<lanefu> and i with ansible
<tmaurice> but I am trying to automate my home network with a bunch of boxes, using networkd, wg and shit so it is a bit annoying not to be able to interact with svcs
<lanefu> s/i /i manage/
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: and i managewith ansible
<tmaurice> but once again thats fine
<tmaurice> I asked out of curiosity and laziness
<tmaurice> and a bit of despair
* tmaurice casually drinks a pint of his own tears
<tmaurice> but thanks for the input lanefu
<tmaurice> worst case I will reinstall the r1 on something like openwrt or some shit
<tmaurice> then do my wg/ospf from there
<lanefu> tmaurice: yeah no problem.. yeah looks like i was able to get it working with debian buster.. https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/71528#issuecomment-687623381
<tmaurice> lanefu: i actually tried that with no luck
<tmaurice> I end up with systemd 245
<tmaurice> but still fails
<lanefu> yeah i had to filly uninstall systemd and some dependency before installing the backport version if i recall
<tmaurice> yeah fuck it hahahahhaa
<lanefu> anyway I think it's becoming a big enough issue that ansible team may have to revisit a workaround.... apparently systemd breaks shit a lot
<tmaurice> I'll wait for the proper version to be available
<tmaurice> especially since ansible and systemd are redhat
<tmaurice> I wish I was not too lazy to use puppet :D
<lanefu> systemd is freedesktop.org :P
<tmaurice> A H E M
<tmaurice> same difference mate
<lanefu> tmaurice: btw check out ansible facts for armbian https://github.com/samdoran/ansible-collection-armbian
<tmaurice> also after you upgraded to a recent systemd did you have reboot issues ? Like reboots hanging to the point you have to cut power to make it restart ?
<tmaurice> lanefu: dope thanks <4
<tmaurice> <3*
<lanefu> hmmm.. don't remember.. i need to get back to looking at that stuff.. i'd just left things running lol
<tmaurice> hahahahahaha
<tmaurice> classic
<rneese> lanefu, you need to get all the pinbook stuff pushed into desktop
<tmaurice> I wish I didnt reset my lab
<rneese> so that we can get building and testing
<lanefu> some of hte amlogic SoCs get a little goofy about restarts
<rneese> i dont want any excuses yong man
<lanefu> rneese: you didnt happen to assign any jira tickets to me did ya
<tmaurice> I have a workaround with an arduino + relay board but i mean thats not the best
<rneese> no
<rneese> i have not touched jira
<rneese> i have been streamlining desktops
<rneese> so we have 2 builds for each desktop where we can
<lanefu> tmaurice: lol.. yeah i may have that here and there
<lanefu> tmaurice: do you play with tasmota firmware at all?
<rneese> a basic works and functions and then a full no holds barred all mdules for the desktop installed
<tmaurice> lanefu: newp whats that ?
<lanefu> popular firmware for esp8266 based devices for doing cloudless IoT
<rneese> we are also working on a few desktops to rm ubuntu specigic pkgs where we can
<tmaurice> TIL about it is it like Blynk type of things ?
<lanefu> tmaurice: kinda yes?
<tmaurice> allow me to do a google then
<tmaurice> this is relevant to my interests
<tmaurice> looks pretty cool
<lanefu> tmaurice: sorry in advance
<lanefu> gateway drug
<tmaurice> I usually write my own firmwares from scratch tho
<rneese> so we have Budgie/Cinnamon/Deepin/Enlightenment/Lxde/Lxqt/Gnome/Kde/Kde-Plasma/Mate/XFCE
<tmaurice> since I never do anything super complex
<lanefu> rneese: i'll ping you on dev channel in a min
<rneese> ok
<tmaurice> right now lanefu I'm more about fucking around on the network side with a few r1/r2s
<sdoran> systemd makes me cry on a daily basis. It’s terrible to interact with programmatically.
<lanefu> tmaurice: nice.. what kind o fnetwork stuff are you doing
<tmaurice> Mainly trying to setup some ospf route sharing between my flat and a mobile network AP (the nanopi r1) so I can access all my flat's stuff using the r1
<tmaurice> the trick is that I have to use vxlan over wireguard to get multicast + security when the r1 is pluged on an untrusted nw
<lanefu> oh cool.. well if you end up managing ospf with ansible.. send me a link
<tmaurice> I'll then do some bgp shit for my devel k8s cluster using metallb
<tmaurice> lanefu: I'll probably resort to simple templating of the /etc/frr files
<ArmbianTwitter> @RzrFreeFr (https://mastodon.social/@rzr): https://t.co/tDNQLyyBlz #armbian issue with #LinuxKernel 5.8.11-sunxi : [739125.127181] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000194 ; "sun4i_hdmi_audio_destroy" , uptime is 15 days and system is still surviving https://t.co/EFGvBeo8NS (13s ago)
<tmaurice> the hardest part IMO is to make the vxlan over wireguard working
<tmaurice> I'll likely make a blogpost about it because im kinda proud of myself
<lanefu> yeah do you have to setup a bridge for that?
<tmaurice> so essentially
<tmaurice> You have the WG interface that allows a vxlan, then you create a bridge, create the vxlan then make the vxlan slave to the bridge
<tmaurice> it takes 3 interfaces to make it work lmao
<lanefu> lol
<tmaurice> it took me a whole afternoon and a shit ton of tcpdump to make it work
<lanefu> yeah def share that blog post
<tmaurice> I will when I write it :)
<tmaurice> that is a bit nasty
<tmaurice> but interesting
<lanefu> tmaurice: also save your soul and use hashicorp nomad instead of k8s
<tmaurice> I use k8s in my day job so I am very familiar with it :p
<tmaurice> I think however I use all of the other hashicorp stuff tho
<tmaurice> Vault <3
<lanefu> yeah.. i use k8s in $dayjob too.. can confirm k8s is terrible
<tmaurice> why ?
<tmaurice> k8s is fine
<tmaurice> I mean it works
<tmaurice> if you like to shit yaml
<tmaurice> hahahahaha
<lanefu> just chains and chains of confusing manifests... sketchy helm repos and other moving targets
<lanefu> dealing with using kustomize now
<tmaurice> tbh I especially like the abstractions that will work on every cloud provider
<tmaurice> like loadbalancers/storage classes and so on
<tmaurice> helm is a PITA tho
<lanefu> yeah..anyway.. there's def a lot of good reasons for using k8s
<lanefu> but if you're just running stateless miroservices... it's waaay overkill
<tmaurice> tbh i use it because thats the one I know the best
<tmaurice> I used to use mesos for the same reason
<tmaurice> yeah but I use stateful stuff
<tmaurice> with ceph/rook for the volumes
<tmaurice> on my NUCs
<lanefu> nice
<lanefu> SRE life
<tmaurice> I'm actually a SRE
<tmaurice> Sight Reliability Engineer lol
<tmaurice> Sigh*
<tmaurice> Software Roughly Engineered*
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<keesj> Hi
<tmaurice> yo
<lanefu> same.. well consultant. but i brand myself as Sre vs devops
<tmaurice> same shit tbh
<tmaurice> I used to be a production engineer
<rneese> Stupidly Reversed Engineered
<tmaurice> yet an other word to tell the same thing
<tmaurice> "some dude that cries when servers break"
<tmaurice> those terminologies are bs
<keesj> I Downloaded the focal image for the Odroid C2 ( Armbian_20.08.1_Odroidc2_focal_current_5.8.5_desktop.img ) and dd'ed it to an sdcard , no automount stuff or anything) , The serial now shows "LOOP:1A;EMMC:800;NAND:81;SD?:0;SD:0;READ:0;CHK:1F;USB:8;" e.g. can't really find a bootable device (Used the board before using the same good power supply and the same sdcard , just an other distro
* buZz guesses you need to upgrade bootloader first
<IgorPec> keesj: for dd you need commercial amrbian contract
<buZz> rofl
<buZz> 'we only support etcher'
<lanefu> lol
<IgorPec> which includes personal explanation why dd sucks :)
<buZz> keesj: sure you dd'd it to the card, and not to a partition on the card?
<lanefu> 'we only support etcher--but don't use etcher it has adware'
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<buZz> nobody uses etcher
<Werner> usbimager does the trick
<buZz> period :)
<rneese> yes I do
<buZz> yes, nobody
<IgorPec> i use dd, but verfify what was sent to destination
<rneese> I have etcher on my linux laptop
* lanefu uses etcher when maging from mac
<keesj> the Focal v.s. Buster also took me some time to find the find manual. I had a good armbian experiance with th XU4 this week and hopes to .. have the same with the C2
<rneese> ok back tp pkg work
<IgorPec> keesj: if you don't know what you have written to the SD card ... nobody will help you
<keesj> does the C2 have internal NAND / emmc or something similar (where I would be able to find / flash a bootloader?)
<IgorPec> no, just use a tool that verifies writing
<keesj> I have written Armbian_20.08.1_Odroidc2_focal_current_5.8.5_desktop.img to the sdcard and checked that the SD card contains a file system afterwards
<IgorPec> keesj: please
<IgorPec> i have heard this 1000x times
<c0rnelius> :)
<IgorPec> if it won't work, then come back
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<keesj> I have been doing embedded development for the last 15 year just saying....
<IgorPec> and?
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<IgorPec> if you didn't check what you write on SD card, you are wasting time. We will not do anything about until you repeat the process by checking if target is identical to the image. What if there is a part of SD card - where is the bootloader located - broken?
<keesj> I will do the echter thingy. I just think (thanks for the link) that .. I don't appeciate how I was recieved. I did show I did some work and indeed anyway.. I will try installing a $RANDOM binary on my system and follow the route .
<keesj> I hope it works :P
<IgorPec> from my perspective - you didn't follow our instruction. You did what you was used to do.
<IgorPec> and we place instructions, because you are 100% using my private time when asking for support
<keesj> I see your point. I downloaded the image and then was going for the install but I expect a dd in the documentation on how to install and indeed did not want to wacth youtube and read a lot of stuff.
<keesj> I am doing lots of open source stuff myself willing to fix stuff. If you want to see me/treat as l(user) wanting "support" you are free do so.
<IgorPec> this open source stuff take 10h of my time per day
<IgorPec> which is way over the limit
<IgorPec> how can i see it otehrwise - you complain that it doesn't work ... there are hundreds of people with identical problem - we open a forum because of that https://forum.armbian.com/forum/31-sd-card-and-psu-issues/
<keesj> I see. I have been earning good money on doing / using open source and am not (normally) spending so many hours on something I really like unless I really enjoy it
<IgorPec> its not enjoyable helping people that doesn't read. Don't take it personal, because most of them don't
<IgorPec> laziness is not really something I easy tolerate
<IgorPec> support is problematic it costs us enormous amount of money
<IgorPec> and time
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<keesj> Idea is quite usefull amd I am migratin away from Olimex A10's because I do no longer want to maintain the distro (looking indeed for something I can install on an embedded device and run for longer time) I estimate the armbian is a good choice
<IgorPec> here you can choose to help hire support staff https://forum.armbian.com/subscriptions/
<buZz> keesj: you normally dont like things you enjoy?
<buZz> or you dont enjoy things you like
<buZz> or did i misread that sentence :P
<buZz> keesj: fyi, plain debian should work totally fine on a A10 board
<keesj> I am no going into a user / supporter relationship for running an os on a device. I might support (money wise) the support of a target I might find relevant but quite frankly if $$$ gets involved it usually means a unhelthy relationship
<keesj> hmm .. I do things I like or at least I will not do things I don't enjoy on the week-end (and most of the time also not during work actually I enjoy a lot of things)
<buZz> tbh, donating money to armbian wont guarantee your platform/target will remain implemented :)
<IgorPec> keesj: no need to support the project. You can just abuse it like everone else. But cover the time you just wasted. Will that be fair?
<keesj> buZz: it was a few month ago, doing debootstrap on the A10 was ineed quite easy but I had some problems with the kernel usb stack ( talked on the sunxi irc and had good discussions). I also atempted to resurect/ look into the armbian port
<buZz> keesj: ah? i never had issues with usb on a A10 running mainling kernel
<buZz> mainline*
<IgorPec> asking for support on our costs is already a very unhelthy relatinship
<IgorPec> i am pissed off every day by "your" ideas and demands
<keesj> buZz: indeed normally it .. is really a nice platform (e.g clone and go ) I was even able (at one point) to just modify a little device tree and get a linux console on my small display http://keesj.github.io/A10-OLinuXino-LIME-5510-Shield/index.html
<buZz> yeah , i did similar with a ssd1306 on a pi-zero
<buZz> sadly, modern xorg does not have any love for 1bit fbdevs :(
<keesj> I think http://keesj.github.io/A10-OLinuXino-LIME-5510-Shield/sw_ui.html looked nice but the driver was already legacy and well. the idea was to have a machine that does not require to much maintenance but.. well the project got .. out of hand
<keesj> (I used directfb) and pygame
<lanefu> pygame is cool
<keesj> IgorPec: ok... I cam here asked a question and don't mind being RTFM
<IgorPec> did i hear pygame ? :)
<IgorPec> keesj: but i would waste less time if you would, right?
<IgorPec> and you are not the only one
<keesj> well... .. I am currently spending time discussing and not flashing not reading
<IgorPec> like i said, i hear that problem 1000x times and got tired, upset
<IgorPec> ok
<lanefu> IgorPec: are you a pygamer?
<keesj> it is ok, I understand and.. possibly a fix (for me) would be to add something for "advanced users"
<IgorPec> pygame a lib for making some graphics stuff in python?
<lanefu> yeah
<IgorPec> i think i used this looooong time ago to make some display graphics
<keesj> (this was the pygame code doing the "ui" http://keesj.github.io/A10-OLinuXino-LIME-5510-Shield/sw_ui.html#hello-world ) not quite advanced but..
<lanefu> keesj: you get bonus points for using mkdocs
<IgorPec> that's my "product"
<lanefu> oh sweet
<lanefu> yeah i love that kind of stuff
<keesj> I want/need to setup my home I have acquired lots of zigbee devices (thermostats, heat controller) and want a stable platform (this is what I am currently setting up)
<IgorPec> i am using H5 device for that
<IgorPec> home automation and some 1wire directly to gpio header
<keesj> with homeassistant or something else?
<IgorPec> openhab
* lanefu is homeassistant user
<lanefu> i'm all tasmota stuff now.. ditched my zwave
<keesj> I am / was invested into zibeee (got a few of those "sniffer" time devices and a conbee II the latter worked better but still the amount of choices (choose your poison) on how to set it all up just doesn't make me very happy at the moment.
<keesj> I don't think I can keep my home "stable"
<keesj> (and the olimex device was not having enough memory to nicely run everything)
<keesj> I am also considering esphome but will look at openhab again
<keesj> IgorPec: is that UI running on the H5 ?
<lanefu> keesj: i've got a custom knob, button thing i run esphome on
<lanefu> esphome is neat, but tasmota is nice because it can still operate standalone
<keesj> I also have a NanoPi-NEO-Plus2 that I will need to upgrade at one point (currently running remotely on ubuntu 19.10 but I can not upgrade because one of the file systems for bootin is .. to small) I had been working great
<keesj> A.. TASMOTA is not a protocol but software for the esp?
<tmaurice> Fro what I understard it is both
<tmaurice> but I have solid brain damage
<keesj> it all appears a little "off topic" but it looks like there is a lot ot knowledge here
<tmaurice> ikr,I came to ask about systemd and then it went on to other interesting topics
<tmaurice> super interesting
<keesj> Well.. thanks for all the help (so far) I will try flashing again later
<lanefu> so yeah ... tasmota is a firmware for esp devices.. that primarily focused at managing devices via mqtt, but be same command set can be accessees via web api, console etc
<buZz> lanefu: we use esphome at the hackerspace, in combination with hassio for home assistant
<buZz> its fancy cause you can use home assistant webui to define a new esphome sensor, and get a binary from hass to flash straight to the esp
<buZz> plus ota updates of that firmware from hass
<lanefu> yeah esphome is a really cool concept
<lanefu> i've got it for a ttgo camera as well
<lanefu> i dunot use hassio tho, just run containers seperately
<lanefu> man.. lemme show you ultimate unsupported
<Werner> And I though I was an evil person by mentioning MS windows in the quick start video :P
<lanefu> M$ gets some credit for arm vscode on linux
<lanefu> or someone does
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<IgorPec> keesj: UI, yes
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<rneese> i bet the next 20.xx realease of ubuntu will be Hardy/Hippo
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<rneese> lanefu, and whats the word on mate on the pine64
<rneese> laptop
<sdoran> tmaurice: I opened a PR to work around that `systemd` issue in Ansible. https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/72337
<sdoran> tmaurice: In the mean time, I put the fix in a collection you can use. https://galaxy.ansible.com/samdoran/testing
<sdoran> Did some testing with lanefu and it seems that if you use the `collections` play level keyword, the `service` action plugin will load the `systemd` module for collections rather than using the builtin one. At least in Ansible 2.9.
<sdoran> Though please don't get in the habit of using the `collections` keyword. Fully qualified collection names (FQCN) are the way to go.
<sdoran> But for this specific workaround, needing to override a builtin module with the version in a collection, it's an ok use of the `collections` keyword.
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<archetech> 5.9.0-1-ARCH aarch64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.20.1 Distro: Manjaro ARM
<archetech> Machine: Type: ARM Device System: Hardkernel ODROID-N2Plus
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<rneese> yes
<rneese> we are working on our desktop builder but we are working to streamline pkgs
<rneese> remove any ubuntu specific pkgs so they should build on debian and ubuntu
<rneese> 59 is to new and unstable still
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<IgorPec> archetech: arch not good enough?
<IgorPec> rneese: arch folks likes the unstable :)
<archetech> arch is on sdcard manj is on usb3 spinner
<c0rnelius> not even sure why anyone wants to run a desktop on a sbc. You know you can pretty much buy a used thinkpad for pretty much nothing right?
<c0rnelius> even comes with a display and keyboard
<archetech> novelty
<c0rnelius> yeah its pretty amazing stuff
<archetech> and the tech challenge it presents
<c0rnelius> see thats what I don't get. why create a challenge that in a year from now probs won't matter.
<archetech> to be the first to climb the moutain
<archetech> to be the first to climb the mountain
<c0rnelius> I see the point of these specialty OS's. Libre/CoreELEC as they are actually functional.
<c0rnelius> Even RetroPIE.
<rneese> because computers are moving to arm and touchscreens
<c0rnelius> I get ur point. Its fun to tinker and I have nothing against that, but at the end of the day...?
<rneese> and laptops are nice but I want to get linux on tablets and away from android
<c0rnelius> What do you think is gonna happen when everything moves to arm?
<rneese> tablets will bevome the norm for evryday use
<rneese> and in offices small desk uunits
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<rneese> no need for huge power hungry unless your doing video/audio editing
<c0rnelius> or something like it, yes. I would think by the time it progresses in this direction the display tech is gonna be way better than anything we got now.
<c0rnelius> shit, did you see any spacex launches recently? the whole launch was pretty much run touch screen. it was pretty kool to see, I just hope they have some analog sitting around just in case. that could be very bad.
<c0rnelius> i do agree and I would love to see a linux desktop really functional out of the box with touch.
<archetech> U have touch screen KDE on my laptop
<archetech> I
<archetech> no mouse
<c0rnelius> but is it really ready for prime time? i don't know.
<c0rnelius> i' skeptical ;)
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<lanefu> rneese: first image I didn't install suggested packages and wifi wasnt working. Built second image where I goofed something up. Built 3rd image that I hope is right, but haven't tested yet
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<rneese> ok
<archetech> go for 4th
<lanefu> grr
<lanefu> no love on #3
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<lanefu> i guess there will be a #4
<archetech> all that work i doubt you'll get much uptake of the images
<archetech> dload counts will tell
<[TheBug]> Get out there and push it for us archetech, im sure if you do we will at least get 2x downloads!
<archetech> right i'm nobody
<archetech> I woulda build some docs in a wekk on the proper install commands and called it a day :)
<archetech> week
<archetech> wiki
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