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<lanefu>
damn it, i keep on building bogus images now.. gonna try building with extrawifi=off
<lanefu>
s/off/no/
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: damn it, i keep on building bogus images now.. gonna try building with extrawifi=no
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<keesj>
well. I used etcher and have the same result. Ecther can not make the difference between a corrupt xz file and being disallowed to gain privileges https://i.imgur.com/c0soE4p.png it invades privacy by default https://i.imgur.com/uBiPrdn.png and I also suspect it feches stuff from the web while running e.g. https://i.imgur.com/NpmNDbM.png and now I demand support !. can somebody tell me where the boatloader
<keesj>
notmally will get loaded from ? is it in the first sectors of the mmc?
<keesj>
well. unless :P I am flashing the wrong image of course
<keesj>
hmm that is indeed the case
<keesj>
I have a C4 (and not C2) apparently .. yesterday I was already kinda thinking .. hmm this is funny my board is red while the c2 board is black but I did not see a clear name on the silk screen
<archetech>
derp
<archetech>
get the right "boatloader" too ;p
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @martinkrafft Not as badass as yours but still good :) https://t.co/O2VjIJMGSZ (14s ago)
<keesj>
it works \o/
<keesj>
well. it boots..
* archetech
slow claps
<keesj>
haha .. I think I will need to enable debug console or similar (nothing shows after Starting kernel ... ) also not on HDMI .. but it is one small step forward
<keesj>
it is not the power supply and not the serial arguments boot.scr default to "both" so I should have seen the kernel boot log...
<IgorPec>
keesy: now you see why we don't jump on first ball :)
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<wooster>
igorpec: can I contribute back the updated bootsplash patches somehow?
<IgorPec>
do they work for you now?=
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): @ghalfacree "As it should" only on #armbian Linux https://t.co/KI79SqO21a elsewhere would probably still be broken. (26s ago)
<keesj>
Well IgorPec I was correct about dd not being the problem. now stated that it probably is not power nor bootargs but.. it most certainly has to be that or some sdcard problem
<IgorPec>
yeah. i have C2 in my testrigh running latest build
<keesj>
those are really similar not?
<IgorPec>
well, they should be
<IgorPec>
there are not many problems with C2, only USB sometimes doesn't fire up
<IgorPec>
without server we can't produce nightly builds
<keesj>
Interesting.. I forgot debian doesn't really support cross compilation .. 80 arm coress.. interesting...
<IgorPec>
we do CC right now
<keesj>
I used to work on the Minix3 port to ARM ..compiling the BSD packages on arm .. was a pain but distcc solved most of the CPU usage problem (e.g. where able to run on x86 hardware)
<IgorPec>
but the plan is to move to native builds
<IgorPec>
and he will donate his time for porting if you buy him a server
<c0rnelius>
hmm. thats odd. i've never had any problems booting my C4. although I have yet done much with it, really.
<IgorPec>
cornelious: its a bug made two weeks ago when we enable sound on N2
<IgorPec>
that broke C4
<IgorPec>
but it was fixed the very next day
<c0rnelius>
oh gotcha
<keesj>
I .. purchased it a few month ago but I don't remember if I was running armbian on it or not. https://www.armbian.com/odroid-c4/ does not a nightly build Oct 24 2020
<IgorPec>
keesj: IDK
<IgorPec>
if that fix is included or not
<IgorPec>
i can only do manual checking but that i will not do
<keesj>
sorry I don't understand what is IDK
<IgorPec>
i dont know
<keesj>
ok.. well. I would need to enable early debug to see anything more usefull currently all I see is https://pastebin.com/S2rF8EZD (Starting kernel ... ) uboot is built Sep 01 2020 but the kernel version is not printed
<c0rnelius>
did you flash the image to sd or mmc?
<keesj>
Linux version 5.8.5-meson64 (root@desktop) (aarch64-none-linux-gnu-gcc (GNU Toolchain for the A-profile Architecture 9.2-2019.12 (arm-9.10)) 9.2.1 20191025, GNU ld (GNU Toolchain for the A-profile Architecture 9.2-2019.12 (arm-9.10)) 2.33.1.20191209) #20.08.1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 18:47:20 CEST 2020
<keesj>
c0rnelius: on sd (no mmc on the board)
<keesj>
18 september predates the fix but also the commit causing the problem :p
<chewitt>
IgorPec: being curious, what's the rough cost of that ARM server?
<ArmbianTwitter>
@tihmstar (tihmstar): I have waste *way too much* time on this, but finally it's working (with full j17 fan support!!!): Helios4 linux 5.8.9 kernel (ARCH) https://t.co/fq4TqldDrE Thanks to armbian for providing the correct patches :) (6s ago)
<IgorPec>
chewitt: tbh i have no idea atm. we only have estimation for x86, arm should be 20-30% less
<emOne>
There used to be a time when you could just apt-get install in a green font and block background terminal (that's important) and have anything installed or get anything working in seconds
<IgorPec>
we also have in mind to limit support, since we can't afford to waste so much time for - users
<IgorPec>
that have insane demans - and asking for server cash at the same time, might play out strange.
<emOne>
But if everyone would donate I am sure you would have more time no?
<IgorPec>
anyway we don't know yet how we will play that, we are in planning / brainstoriming stage
<IgorPec>
if we would get serious cash, full time positions on support
<emOne>
I mean if 500 people donated. Wouldn't you make some of those users wishes come true? :)
<IgorPec>
500 donations is insane a lot
<IgorPec>
we need to build up alternative funding. donations are just some source
<IgorPec>
they can't cover much %
<emOne>
Sure. But it is a start I think
<IgorPec>
for dedicated things like - lets buy a server togethe - probably will go
<Werner>
Every penny counts. They are still a sign of appreciation.
<emOne>
Ofc
<emOne>
I understand that users can't be the main income source
<IgorPec>
i believe if we communita purpose, its easier. we need to enforce our crowdfunding page like i send it to you before
<IgorPec>
there people can see who donated and how much
<IgorPec>
i will add 1000 EUR for start
<emOne>
That is a great idea
<emOne>
When I say donations I think crowdfundjng
<IgorPec>
and we have to find out how much do we need to reach list price. i am sure we will get discount or even pay little to nothing if we strike a deal with vendor
<emOne>
But you can't really expect sbc manufacturers to also fund projects
<Werner>
Depends. There are one time things like buying new server hardware and recurring stuff like forums software maintenance contract
<IgorPec>
but costs still will need to be paid
<IgorPec>
emOne: they support us
<emOne>
I mean they can fund projects too
<emOne>
But they can't be the only source
<emOne>
Because some don't care
<IgorPec>
and they might join for this purpose
<emOne>
It is enough for some to have a perfectly working android
<IgorPec>
some are totally absent, true
<emOne>
I have seen it
<emOne>
And it is incredible and weird
<emOne>
They have armbian that hardly works
<emOne>
And they don't even code for it themselves
<emOne>
Brb
<Werner>
Hmmm....making the bug tracker forums read/write for donators only and use the garbage collector for everybody else :P
<IgorPec>
well, that could backfire
<Werner>
Of course it will. Was just thinking loud
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<IgorPec>
we have to be careful with this
<IgorPec>
to not make too much colateral damage
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<emOne>
I will be back in an hour or so
<emOne>
I will think of an idea of two regarding donation a
<IgorPec>
ok
<IgorPec>
we'll be around, but tomorrow and day after i am offline
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<jock>
hello, good evening
<lanefu>
emOne: yeah arm in the datacenter is finally legit i'd say. aws is starting to even offer RDS on graviton2
<lanefu>
x86 will probably be king of single threaded performance for years to come
<lanefu>
but server-class arm has great memory IO and fast-enough general computer
<lanefu>
then it's a like tripple win for the hyper scalers.... more cores per chip, less energy which means less cooling, which means higher density in a rack, which means more economic physical footprint which goes back to like another iteeeration of opeerationaal cost savings etc
<IgorPec>
jock: evening
<IgorPec>
lanefu: so we still need 1pc of 3990x ? :)
<IgorPec>
or make a better code:)
<lanefu>
or both
<lanefu>
the more we can de-couple image assembly from compilation the better
<IgorPec>
yeah. full multithread compilation still might need some fixing.
<IgorPec>
and testing ... when we add desktop stuff, it will be bloody
<IgorPec>
if this will not work as it should
<lanefu>
honestly as far as desktop testing i think we need to make another push at finding board maintainers, where all they do is own a very specific SBC and just test for vlidation.. no code stuff required
<lanefu>
literally just sign off that something isnt shit
<lanefu>
its really like gtting a QA owner per device
<IgorPec>
perhaps finding somone that will deal with this tasks - talking to
<IgorPec>
who has spare time ?? :)
<IgorPec>
you have any better idea?
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<lanefu>
its a good idea.. we need to recruit a ..QA recruiter
<lanefu>
lol
<IgorPec>
but yeah, but first we need to recrut HR LOL
<lanefu>
we need someone with oil money
<IgorPec>
like a drug trafficer ? :)
<lanefu>
you live near a lot of borders
<IgorPec>
true
<IgorPec>
doing paperwork to be able to cross it tomrrow
<IgorPec>
it got crazy, .reporting to both authorities + statement
<lanefu>
nothing says vacation like paperwork and reporting to authorities
<IgorPec>
its not clear if you have to do, but if you find out that on the border