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<rneese> lanefu, make me a list of issues to look into
<rneese> when I get home and have a monitor I will boot mine and test
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<rneese> lanefu, iis kwin installed
<rneese> double check
<rneese> dde-kwin and kwin
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<rneese> lanefu, you there
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<lanefu> rneese: can I add you to our jira? If so give me an email
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<rneese> r.neese@gmail.com
<rneese> trying to find a jira client for linux
<lanefu> rneese: theres some CLI stuff but i mean the browser works :P
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<rneese> there is a desktop client called chronos
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<rneese> ok whats the jira url
<lanefu> see email
<rneese> grr I have to setup email 1 min
<lanefu> rneese: here's a little additional info https://docs.armbian.com/Process_Managing_Workflow/
<rneese> ok
<rneese> no email yet
<rneese> r.neese@gmail.com
<lanefu> anyway we can track status and gotchas there
<rneese> ok
<rneese> ok I will be back tomorrow
<lanefu> cool cya
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<rneese> well I added the patch for file output name and running test
<rneese> grepwin is a great tool we have to find a match on linx
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<rneese> for graphical
<rneese> looks like rummage
<rneese> where do they come up with names
<rneese> Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla)
<rneese> do we have groovy gorilla in the builds yet
<lanefu> no.. typically don't focus on non-LTS releases unless someone adds support
<lanefu> 20.10 is probably using wayland
<rneese> looks like I have to work on the patch more
<rneese> it did not add the desktop name to it
<rneese> i will work on it in am
<rneese> [ .... ] Installing [ armbian-focal-desktop-dde_20.08.0-trunk_all.deb ]
<rneese> so its looking like it might have worked
<rneese> it came out wrong
<rneese> have to review it
<rneese> Armbian_20.08.0-trunk_Odroidn2_focal_Odroidn2_focal_current_5.8.12_desktop.img.xz
<rneese> so I have to figure out where is wrong
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<rneese> found the typo
<rneese> retesting
<rneese> gn
<lanefu> cya
<rneese> Armbian_20.08.0-trunk_Odroidn2_focal_dde_current_5.8.12_desktop.img.xz
<rneese> so name is added
<lanefu> cool. might make more sense to append after _desktop
<rneese> thats what I just did
<rneese> so now that its fixed I hope its commited I pushed it up
<rneese> bok now gn
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<Werner> Good morning
<IgorPec> good morning
<Werner> Morning Igor, did you get an answer for the theme issues yet?
<IgorPec> nope, didn't deal with that yet
<Werner> Okay
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<Werner> #startmeeting test meeting
<ArmbianHelper> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
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<Werner> #info test2
<Werner> #action test2
<Werner> #help test3
<Werner> #endmeeting
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<veremitz> you shouldn't need ops for the bot :P gentoo has been using meetbot for foundation meetings for a while
<Werner> Yes and no. It needs op for setting topic only.
<veremitz> mhmm do you want/need that ;)
<Werner> Sure I could rewrite that part to ask chanserv to do that each time but I am lazy :)
<veremitz> heh
<Werner> I think ArmbianHelper will be a good boy ;)
<veremitz> yeh its just remembering to op/deop ..
<veremitz> or leave him opped :p
<veremitz> j/s :)
<Werner> If it works out as expected I think I can handle to op/deop him four times a year :D
<veremitz> heh no worries :D
<veremitz> its a useful tool though
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): #Caturday with #armbian https://t.co/5HpwAlCj1B (26s ago)
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<stipa> guys, has anyone managed to get full bandwith wifi repeater using two radios. I understand that one radio will waste half of bandwith acting as a repeater but I can't acheive better bandwith with two radios, it's still half of bandwith at the other end. I have used this technique https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnectionsProxyArp together with hostapd and wpa_supplicant for client part of the repeater.
<stipa> So, I dont have radios with WDS.
<stipa> Some people on the net say that two radios should get you full bandwidth repeater but I think they never tried it....
<Werner> I agree with those people. Never tried that but if you have two independent wifi devices both should achieve their max rating.
<Werner> One sends full speed and one receives full speed
<stipa> It should work like that but it doesen't, tried it on maybe three distros and two different machines...
<Werner> Well no clue. Never tried to build my own repeater...
<stipa> two different hardware machines*
<stipa> I understand Werner
<Werner> Just for the heck of it you could try to utilize two sbcs with wifi configure them independently and connect in between via ethernet
<stipa> tried that.
<stipa> it's logical that it should work but it...
<stipa> like one sbc is client bridge and another ap and they are connected via ethernet
<stipa> tried that.
<stipa> what is cool
<stipa> if i log into the repeater
<stipa> via ssh
<stipa> and I do iperf to the AP from it, bandwidth is full
<stipa> also if I'm connected to the repeater(it's AP) i do full iperf bandwith if i iperf the repeater.
<stipa> but
<stipa> from client that is connected to repeater to the AP, with iperf server on the AP, bandwidth is halved.
<stipa> client > repeater > AP = half bandwith
<stipa> client > repeater = full bandwith
<stipa> repeater > AP = full bandwith
<Werner> Odd
<stipa> yes
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<stipa> First time I did it with NAT and it was the same, I went with the proxyarp technique because I wanted to stay on the same subnet because of the network printer...
<stipa> everything works but that halving of the bandwidth is odd as fuck.
<Miouyouyou> neese: Yesh, I'm here !
<stipa> Now I just use one radio, it's even a tiny bt faster than using two :D
<stipa> but, man I would be happy like kid if i could get it full!
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<Miouyouyou> It's iperf TCP or iperf UDP ? The test is not attempting to broadcast packets to everyone ? Because, broadcast packets tend to destroy Wifi performance.
<stipa> I have no idea. I sue iperf3 -s for the server and iperf3 (-R) -c for the client.
<stipa> but if i do speedtest-cli from the client connected to the repeater I can see the halving of the internet speed if that helps.
<Miouyouyou> Alright, it's TCP then. You get exactly half of the bandwidth ? Like 10Mbps to 5Mbps ?
<stipa> little bit more than half
<stipa> on an Wifi N client a get around 25-30 Mbs.
<stipa> on wifi N ht40 i get around 50 Mbs.
<stipa> I read that post, but people can't discern betweene one radio and two radios repeater, it's foggyy what they actually think.
<Miouyouyou> You might want to look for "Mesh wifi" in order to get the whole "repeater" + "full bandwidth" combo
<stipa> but wifi has to have wifi cappability?
<stipa> wifi interface*
<stipa> mesh capability*
<stipa> does driver has to support mesh technology to make wifi mesh?
<Miouyouyou> Hmm, I haven't tried the tech, though. I tend to be either all wired or using only one AP here.
<stipa> I understand Miouyouyou
<stipa> wifi is a mess, I have feeling that 99% of people on the net that are wifi knowledgable have no idea what they're talking about.
<Miouyouyou> Indeed
<Miouyouyou> Radio technology isn't "obvious"
<Miouyouyou> There might some videos on YouTube, from people who know what they're talking about
<Miouyouyou> Wtih actual demonstrations
<stipa> there'e always hope Miouyouyou
<Miouyouyou> The informercial article from TP-Link says this in its FAQ : "Do I have to purchase a new router to get mesh WiFi? No you don't!"
<stipa> ha ha
<stipa> wifi repeater is a mesh
<stipa> i think
<stipa> like
<Miouyouyou> Yush, it'sh really a mesh
<stipa> yo u clone the signal and add ap to it...
<stipa> and someone else then in proximity connects to ap you have on your interface
<stipa> i think that's a definition of mesh
<stipa> and so on...
<stipa> but the problem is, on every wifi hop bandwidth halves...
<stipa> wifi hop = repeater
<Miouyouyou> It seems to be due to the single antenna setup. https://youtu.be/6HgFAlAzpKo?t=85
<stipa> yes
<stipa> but what if you have two radios?
<Miouyouyou> I don't know if your system has one or two
<Miouyouyou> If they're really setup for reception or one and emission on the other one, then "Idunno"
<Miouyouyou> *reception on one antenna and emission on the other one
<stipa> exactl
<stipa> y
<stipa> it should be full bandwidth but it's not.
<stipa> In my case it's not.
<stipa> with two radios
<stipa> there's a google device, something like AP
<stipa> google locked the thread...
<Miouyouyou> Thanks Google
<stipa> people got angry because on every repeat bandwith is halved...
<stipa> You know what, let's leave that to professionals...
<Miouyouyou> Yeah
<stipa> Yeah
<Miouyouyou> There might be some Wifi maniacs here, but I'd strongly suggest to go for "/list wifi"
<Miouyouyou> And see if there's some Wifi specialists channel
<stipa> thanks for the suggestion Miouyouyou
<Miouyouyou> You're welcome
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<rneese> Miouyouyou, the new naming works
<rneese> Armbian_20.08.0-trunk_Odroidn2_focal_current_5.8.12_dde_desktop.img
<rneese> it now add the desktop name to the file
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<Miouyouyou> Yay !
<rneese> I did the patch last night with the lep of a 4 legged friend it was a little ugly when commited but I fixed it
<Miouyouyou> Alright, I'll check that
<rneese> sorry it took 2 commits my fault
<rneese> so then we just need the fix for the --install
<rneese> and then I need help learning to [atch per board
<rneese> as we have a patch in the system for the pine that has to apply post changes
<rneese> Miouyouyou, i am learnign as fast as I can but its alot to learn
<Miouyouyou> No worries
<stipa> Is it smart to add more juice to USB port on a SBC by connecting positive pin of the USB connector directly to positive on power jack of the SBC?
<rneese> no
<rneese> never over power a board
<stipa> even if't 5V?
<stipa> it's
<Miouyouyou> Board kernel patches need to be placed in patch/kernel/your_board_family_name-${BRANCH}/
<rneese> I was looking more at the xml stuff
<stipa> hardisks have hard time on spin up...
<rneese> that would have to go for the desktop for each custom board
<rneese> like for fixing the pineboop
<Miouyouyou> stipa : There are people powering the board through the pins directly. Try to look for such threads on the forum
<rneese> but I also have to find out how to do this on dde and on budgie
<stipa> Miouyouyou: will check
<rneese> ok wait you can power on the gpio pins yes
<rneese> on the 5v in/out pins
<rneese> or on the usm port marked power
<rneese> but you should never appply power on both at the same time
<rneese> sorry I should have explained better
<Miouyouyou> You can add a "custom/${BOARD}/debian/postinst" to an desktop environment, desktop environment configuration or appgroup if you want to apply special treatments for a specific board during the installation of their packages
<rneese> yeah thats what I am trying to learn how to do now
<rneese> we have to do this for xfce for the pinebook build
<rneese> so I am tring to match what they do but not understanding the custom stuff yet
<rneese> "custom/${BOARD}/debian/postinst" will appy to even ubuntu ?
<rneese> I thought tht was just for debian
<stipa> rneese: I want to connect from power jack postive 5V terminal directl to USB's 5V.
<Miouyouyou> Yes, its a ".deb" thing
<stipa> make a jumper
<Miouyouyou> When making a .deb package, you need a debian/ folder (since its their package format). The "postinst/" part will be called after installing the package (Armbian Desktop in this example)
<stipa> on a USB port to add more power to the USB.
<rneese> ok you should not push 5v + onto a normal usb port
<rneese> stipa just like a normal pc you can not put extra 5v on a usb port
<rneese> putting 5v in on a normal usb not made for input of power will fry it
<Miouyouyou> stipa: Be careful, these boards hardware are not top quality, notably in term of surge protections. If you push it a little too far, you'll just fry the whole thing up, and maybe start a little campfire in your room.
<rneese> thats why they make 2 port for power or a barrel jack
<rneese> I think he is trying to use the usb to power a hd
<rneese> and the board should be able to unless the power coming into the board is to low
<Miouyouyou> I see
<Miouyouyou> Just create a thread on the forum about that. If other people encountered the same issue, with the same board, they'll just provide you their solutions. And nobody did, you might have to double check your setup (cable quality, etc...)
<Miouyouyou> s/And nobody/And if nobody/
<ArmbianHelper> Miouyouyou meant to say: Just create a thread on the forum about that. If other people encountered the same issue, with the same board, they'll just provide you their solutions. And if nobody did, you might have to double check your setup (cable quality, etc...)
<rneese> so Miouyouyou if and when you have some time to help no push can you help show me converting the pinebook pro files to our new lay out so I understand better
<rneese> but I need to eat
<rneese> Miouyouyou, where are you located ?
<rneese> I am in the US in Tennessee on the east side
<Miouyouyou> Alright. I'm in France.
<rneese> ok so your 4 hours ahead
<Miouyouyou> Roughly, yeah. I don't know if there's the whole Summer Time nonsense in Tennessee ?
<rneese> no your 6 hours ahead
<rneese> its 101 pm there
<Miouyouyou> It's 13:01 here
<stipa> rneese: You're right, I want to power the hard drive, juice from miniusb ain't enough.
<rneese> ok its 7:01 here
<Miouyouyou> 6h then
<stipa> now, I'm powering it with smartphone charger but powering it directly from DC jack would be fancier.
<stipa> less wires and extra power socket on the wall...
<rneese> unless your using swap why mot just get a usb thumbdrive thats low power
<stipa> I think there is enough juice in my power supply of the SBC to power the board and hard disk...
<rneese> off to get food back in 10
<stipa> because I'll have important data on the disk and S.M.A.R.T is something that can get handy.
<stipa> if disk gets fishy.
<stipa> with USB flash memory I'm blind and data could wanish...
<rneese> well I dont know that arm supports smart thats a intel thing and arm does not have a bios with smart in it
<stipa> hmmm
<rneese> never seen s.m.a.r.t used on arm
<stipa> no wa
<stipa> y
<stipa> so
<stipa> how do I get smart data from hard disk than?
<stipa> info and such...
<stipa> if arm has no smart.
<stipa> because I do get smart data from hard disk
<stipa> smart info*
<stipa> or not?
<rneese> it might be in the kernel
<rneese> but like I said I have never seen it on arm
<rneese> food brb
<rneese> must have coffie
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<stipa> oki
<Miouyouyou> hdparm might help you retrieve hard disk information.
<stipa> Miouyouyou: I personally don't see the problem in feeding 5V into USB connector, I think the problem would be when more than 5V would be fed into it.
<stipa> yes, use hdparm alot.
<stipa> Stuff connected to USB port would jsut take juice as needed.
<Miouyouyou> TonyMac32 might be able to help you on electronics issues, but he might be sleeping right now.
<stipa> I'm going to forum...
<rneese> lucky I have screen reader on I heard this
<rneese> the issue is adding 5v on a normal usb will fry the usp port
<rneese> thats why when you get a ext usb some have a y cable
<stipa> USB is 5V I think.
<rneese> usb is 4.6 to 5v
<rneese> its a bit variatable
<rneese> you can not push powe r back in on a power out usb port
<stipa> only thing that could fry it is voltage above 5V i think.
<rneese> usb power by default are 5v out not 5v in
<stipa> but
<stipa> man
<rneese> they make 1 port normaly on arm board a mini or micro for power
<rneese> its how the boards are made
<rneese> usb powerts even on a normal pc work this way
<rneese> its for chip protection
<stipa> how to I add than extra juice, if I add a diode from USB port and then add external power would that work?
<stipa> diode would drop voltage
<stipa> and external oer would rise it back to 5V
<stipa> and no power from additional power would go into usb beacuse of the diode, right?
<rneese> mod your board bet when you fry it dont get upset the ports where not made to do this
<rneese> what board are you using
<rneese> that the power is so low
<stipa> orange pil ite 2
<stipa> orange pi lite 2*
<stipa> I want to add juice to USB2 port
<rneese> and your using the 5v3a power supply
<stipa> yes
<rneese> the boards where not ment to do this
<stipa> you sound like police.
<stipa> or government
<rneese> I would get a ssd that uses less power and rm a normal hd from the equasion
<rneese> no I work with arm bioard
<rneese> I work with friendly arm
<rneese> arm boards are made to be low power
<stipa> if we could call 5V 3A low power...
<stipa> than yes!
<rneese> and the oly way you could change the board is to cut the 5v trace to the usb port ann run a custom config but when you blow up your board dont come crying
<rneese> 5v3a is low power
<rneese> my t4 requires 12v3a
<stipa> 30mA is low power mate...
<stipa> or less
<stipa> 3A is for killing people
<rneese> your playing games now done do what you want
<stipa> :D
<stipa> don't worry
<stipa> I want blame you
<stipa> wont*
<rneese> do not mod the usb3 port you will destroy it
<rneese> looking at the schematics
<rneese> it has power protection
<stipa> oh,
<stipa> right now
<rneese> the usb2 looks like you could cut the trace
<stipa> hard disk is connected to micro usb and phone charger is charging the disk.
<rneese> for power and mod it but usb3 is more intergrated and protected
<rneese> the microusb is a otg /power in port by default
<stipa> it cant spin the disk
<stipa> power from micro usb
<stipa> only with additional power
<stipa> USB2 can
<rneese> no the micro usb is ment for otg/power in
<stipa> oh,
<stipa> all of those ports
<stipa> even usb3 cant power the disk by itself
<rneese> the usb2/3 are output
<rneese> unless your using a otg to normal port conversion cable
<stipa> yes
<rneese> the mini/micro is the otg / 5v 2/3a usb power in
<stipa> I use this
<stipa> phone charger is connected into it and hard disk
<rneese> so your better off getting a powered usb hub
<rneese> to power the drive
<stipa> which is then connected on usb otg on the board
<stipa> that works fine
<rneese> ok
<stipa> hard disk is USB3
<stipa> it can go little more than 100 MBs
<stipa> i tried it but there's not enough power for normal usage of it.
<stipa> it starts to sing
<stipa> can't spin up
<stipa> It even depends on phone chargers.
<stipa> some 700Ma chargers wrk better than some that have 2A
<stipa> it's a mess
<rneese> just like a cellphone the boards where mont ment to power hard drives hense the ext power connector on the cable
<stipa> now charger of 700Ma is powering the disk, with a 2A phone charger that is 3x bigger it cant spin up normally...
<rneese> but ok
<rneese> food is done brb
<stipa> maybe that (OTG Cable + Power Cable) has some protection electronics somewhere
<stipa> that doesn't send power back to usb otg port
<rneese> no it does not have the +/ wire enabled it use the data wires +g to get data to the otg port
<rneese> to protect the circut
<rneese> they do make cables with passthrou power
<rneese> you have to find one
<rneese> that cable was ment for use with cell phones to allow connecting a usb thumbdrive to get pics and data off phone
<rneese> it was not designed to be used on these boards like your wanting
<rneese> Miouyouyou, you still here
<rneese> stipa, I am a railroad electrical design engineer
<rneese> I have been working with bords like this for years
<rneese> Miouyouyou, when your back ping me
<Werner> Nice. I do electrical engineering for special purpose machinery.
<rneese> I work on atcs/ptcs systems
<rneese> automated train control systems
<rneese> positive train control systems
<Werner> I do on industrial automation, mostly robotics. fully integrated production lines
<stipa> I'm an audio producer.
<rneese> user for engine control is something should happen to the engineer
<rneese> we have ways to now use radio to control the trains
<rneese> but we can not fix stupid people from breaking the law and crossing tracks and getting hung up
<Werner> Nobody can
<rneese> lol
<rneese> truckers not following signs people crossing when gaurds are down
<rneese> and they want to blame the trains
<stipa> protestery lying on the tracks...
<rneese> like the train just jumped off the track to hit them
<stipa> protesters*
<rneese> we call them speed bumps
<stipa> lol
<stipa> my frined drives trains
<stipa> his father too
<stipa> They have some big isuess with running over people.
<rneese> people dont understand a train at 15 mph takes 1 football field to stop depending on its load and for each 10 mph you double that
<stipa> Like it hits them badly mentally.
<rneese> yeah its hard
<Werner> And may need psychotherapie for their entire live...
<stipa> yes
<rneese> we dont want to hit people but we have no way to stop a train like you can a car
<rneese> trains are metal on metal and slide
<rneese> we dont have the same breaking system
<stipa> it's a lot of force to deal with.
<stipa> I know also that people who work with trains like Japanese trin tech a lot...
<rneese> ahh ok
<rneese> Processing triggers for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:arm64 (2.40.0+dfsg-3) ...
<rneese> (process:16117): GLib-ERROR **: 11:55:32.279: getauxval () failed: No such file or directory
<rneese> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
<rneese> qemu: uncaught target signal 5 (Trace/breakpoint trap) - core dumped
<rneese> Processing triggers for ca-certificates (20190110ubuntu1.1) ...
<rneese> Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs...
<rneese> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 276
<rneese> sorry wrong window my fault
<rneese> I was highlighting to read
<stipa> no worries
<rneese> sorry guys
<stipa> you'll repay somehow...
<rneese> working on the new builder for armbian
<rneese> and it has a few bugs still
<stipa> I know absoultely nothing about linux on that levels.
<rneese> lanfu alive yet
<rneese> the new builder will allow us to roll out diff ddesktops
<rneese> xfce/lxde/lxqt/dde/budgie/cinnamon/gnome/kde
<rneese> so people can choose what desktop they want
<stipa> oh, yeasterday i put xfce on arch
<stipa> first timer
<stipa> it's stable
<rneese> ahh
<stipa> runs some python bot
<rneese> I am testing and working with dde
<stipa> for linkedin
<rneese> and I like it alot
<rneese> dde = deepin desktop enviroment
<stipa> oh
<stipa> The thing I noticed
<stipa> was workspaces
<stipa> how it's isolated
<stipa> one from another
<rneese> multi desktops
<rneese> yes
<stipa> yes
<stipa> it's awesome
<rneese> but you can right click on xfce and move apps to ther desktops
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> on one of them i have virtual box
<stipa> it's awesome
<stipa> i have to try remote desktop
<stipa> to connect from windows to it.
<stipa> but it's very stable
<stipa> need it for 0/24
<rneese> you have to have the right setup
<rneese> the right greeter installed for rdp
<rneese> unless you use vnc or teamviewer
<stipa> have to explore it.
<rneese> yeas thee is teamviewer for linux but not arm yet
<stipa> I haven't even tried yet.
<stipa> its intel machine
<stipa> arm runs wifi network
<stipa> an this
<stipa> weechat instance
<rneese> alot of us use xchat
<rneese> hexchat
<rneese> lol
<stipa> irssi
<rneese> ok
<stipa> bitchX
<rneese> if this build finished I will load my linux drive and be back
<rneese> I am about to wipe windows off my laptop and put linux
<rneese> if I can get around 2 apps I need
<rneese> wich there is a how to on
<rneese> nextion editor and eagle cad
<stipa> I would switch to linux but audio stuff is supported better on windows.
<rneese> I find linux with pulse audio is alot better
<stipa> I'm a heavy user
<rneese> but it depends on your use
<stipa> lot's of realtime dsp stuff...
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<rneese> they have a audio and a video distro that have codecs in them for better support
<stipa> I do mixing, synthesizers and that stuff...
<stipa> music...
<stipa> it is possible to have everything on linux
<rneese> yes
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<stipa> in my workflow there are a lot of linear phase filters, I think linux is not yet supporting that kind of stuff...
<rneese> digital video and audio
<rneese> linux is alot further along then you think
<stipa> oh, those are great for home cinema
<stipa> an music listening
<rneese> kdinlive is for editing
<stipa> I would use many of these in one project if I would be on linux https://lsp-plug.in/?page=manuals&section=para_equalizer_x16_stereo
<stipa> but i know that kernel supports my sound card https://m-audio.com/products/view/m-track-eight so it's viable.
<Miouyouyou> Yesh, I'm still there
<rneese> ok
<rneese> so I am looking at the idea for --install have you added it yet ?
<rneese> if not where would it go what file
<Miouyouyou> No. The whole idea is to add a selection menu in main.sh
<Miouyouyou> Get the results back in a variable
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> And then use it when installing the Armbian Desktop package in distirbution.sh
<rneese> i will read main .sh
<rneese> ok
<rneese> so it has to be in 2 files
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> Mainly yeah. The main.sh takes care of the whole prebuild menu where you select what you want
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> I added a few helpers for opening menus. Just check the "APPGROUPS" part.
<rneese> ok
<rneese> its the next part I need in the builder
<rneese> so that we can add more functionality in the builds for dde and budgie desktops
<Miouyouyou> https://github.com/Miouyouyou/armbian-desktop/blob/new-desktop/lib/main.sh#L444 An example of how to open a selection menu and get back its results is available here
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, I'm testing the additional softwares sources (APT for the moment).
<rneese> ok
<rneese> brb in a min to have you repost this
<rneese> as I am going to boot my linux drive up
<rneese> I have moved to deving on it
<rneese> just waiting for this build to finish
<rneese> we go have some small issues
<rneese> glib issues
<rneese> Armbian_20.08.0-trunk_Odroidn2_focal_current_5.8.12_budgie_desktop.img.xz
<rneese> cool
<rneese> ok brb booting into linux
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<Miouyouyou> Alright
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<rneese> ok back
<Miouyouyou> So you want the ref back ?
<rneese> running linux on a 32gig usb3 thumbdrive should be faster but its not
<rneese> yes pls
<Miouyouyou> https://github.com/Miouyouyou/armbian-desktop/blob/new-desktop/lib/main.sh#L444 An example of how to open a selection menu and get back its results is available here
<rneese> ok
<rneese> so we give 2 selections of suggests and recommends as options
<rneese> so in menu mode they can choose in a build
<rneese> and have the option from the cli also
<Miouyouyou> Well, if you define a global variable
<Miouyouyou> They should be able to define it by passing it to the compile.sh script
<rneese> yes thats whet I thought we where looking at as the goal
<Miouyouyou> Just add it as the last, just after the "appgroups" selection
<rneese> ok
<rneese> i will work on learnign this today and reading
<Miouyouyou> Alright. Just add an "exit_with_error 'Testing'" after the part you're adding, so that you can re execute the script as much as you want without triggering a recompile
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> Once the menu seems setup correctly and you're getting back the variables (check with echo ), then remove the "exit_with_error" and start using them where you need them
<rneese> ok
<rneese> taking notes
<rneese> lol so that I can follow
<rneese> heheh
<rneese> I feel like I am back in school
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<stipa> smart take notes stupid memorizes.
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<rneese> brb
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<rneese> ok I had to reboot to fix a fs error
<Miouyouyou> Just for information, we have logs here : https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/armbian/2020-10-02
<rneese> ok I bookmarked it
<rneese> pi lost my bookmarks and have been rebuilding
<stipa> │root@orangepilite2:~# smartctl -i /dev/sdh
<stipa> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
<stipa> │SMART support is: Enabled
<stipa> ...
<ArmbianHelper> . [en~>eng]
<Miouyouyou> Oh
<rneese> ok Miouyouyou so what about the --install options as there are only 2 do we do the same as the oftware select ?
<Miouyouyou> Yes. It will be simpler
<rneese> ok
<rneese> so part 1 goes in the distrabution.sh ?
<rneese> trying to learn and under stand this part sorry
<rneese> I get the if statement
<rneese> its the main.sh I am working to grep
<Miouyouyou> The parsing part with the "for ... do" will have to be done just before installing the package file in distributions.sh
<rneese> line 220 in distributions.sh
<rneese> chroot "${SDCARD}" /bin/bash -c "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt -yqq --no-install-recommends install $PACKAGE_LIST_FAMILY" >> "${DEST}"/debug/install.lo
<rneese> there is multi lines like this
<rneese> so we would have to fix these lines
<rneese> for flag in INSTALL_FLAGS; do
<rneese> apt_additional_flags+=" --install-${flag}"
<rneese> else
<rneese> done
<rneese> apt_additional_flags+=" --no-install-recommends --no-install-suggest"
<rneese> ?
<rneese> ;ine 220 and 225
<rneese> lines
<rneese> sorry
<rneese> just looking and reading
<Miouyouyou> Let me check
<Miouyouyou> Check just below "# install armbian-desktop"
<Miouyouyou> Line 283 on my side
<Miouyouyou> it calls for install_deb_chroot
<Miouyouyou> install_deb_chroot is defined in image-helpers.sh (line 123)
<Miouyouyou> install_deb_chroot can't be changed easily (and might generate horrible breakage if we do this), so better add a new function
<Miouyouyou> install install_deb_chroot_desktop
<rneese> thats a issue I have seen already
<Miouyouyou> and put the whole apt_additional_flags parsing in install_deb_chroot_desktop function
<Miouyouyou> s/install install_/add install_/
<ArmbianHelper> Miouyouyou meant to say: add install_deb_chroot_desktop
<Miouyouyou> And for the rest of the function, just mimic install_deb_chroot
<rneese> now I am lost
<Miouyouyou> Add the menu first and we'll see about the rest after that
<rneese> ok
<rneese> main.sh do I add a new section or into build desktop section ?
<Miouyouyou> add a section
<rneese> so a new if/fi section
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> name the variable something like "DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS"
<rneese> been a long time
<rneese> but this is the start
<rneese> but having to relearn
<rneese> is this wrong
<Miouyouyou> HMM
<rneese> if [[ $DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS != no && -z ${DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS_SELECTED+x} ]]; then
<rneese> for ${flag} in "${DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS}/"*; do
<rneese> options+=("${recomends}" "${suggest}" off)
<rneese> options=()
<rneese> done
<rneese> show_select_menu \
<rneese> "Choose Apt Additional FLags" \
<rneese> "$backtitle" \
<rneese> "Select to enable additional install flags for builds" \
<rneese> "${options[@]}")
<rneese> unset options
<rneese> fi
<rneese> exit_with_error 'Testing'
<rneese> sorry
<rneese> it gave a error
<rneese> sorry wrong place
<rneese> I have to remap mouse keys later
<Miouyouyou> Updated
<rneese> if [[ $DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS != no && -z ${DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS_SELECTED+x} ]]; then
<rneese> options=()
<rneese> options+=("recommends" "Install packages recommended by selected desktop packages" off)
<rneese> options+=("suggests" "Install packages suggested by selected desktop packages" off)
<rneese> show_select_menu \
<rneese> "Choose Apt Additional FLags" \
<rneese> "$backtitle" \
<rneese> "Select to enable additional install flags for builds" \
<rneese> "${options[@]}")
<rneese> unset options
<rneese> fi
<rneese> exit_with_error 'Testing'
<rneese> why is it pasiing it all
<rneese> sorry
<rneese> ok
<rneese> understand that now
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<rneese> soo onto part 2
<rneese> thanks for your time on helping and reteaching
<Miouyouyou> You're welcome
<rneese> I want o get better where I can help do alot of this
<rneese> so the next part is image or distrabution ?
<rneese> line 132 image-helper.sh
<rneese> $apt_extra --no-install-recommends install ./root/$name" >> "${DEST}"/debug/install.log 2>&1
<Miouyouyou> Basically, the next part would be to create a new function (something like install_deb_chroot_desktop ), mimick the code of install_deb_chroot , add some code to generate the extra apt options (by iterating of each DESKTOP_APT_FLAGS_SELECTED and add ""--install-${flag}") and then pass these options to apt
<rneese> okkk
<Miouyouyou> install_deb_chroot is used in many places that are not related to Desktop packages, so modifying it directly is a no-no
<rneese> ok
<Miouyouyou> That's why we need a new one.
<rneese> I see another fix we have to do when generating the desktop.deb
<rneese> we need to add the name of the desktop
<rneese> so Ihave to fiind where this is done
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<rneese> ow did you install gist
<rneese> is it inpapt pkhs
<rneese> pkgs
<rneese> got it
<rneese> or do we have to chack for each one
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<Miouyouyou> Hmm, gist change their URL on update... how useful... https://gist.github.com/Miouyouyou/695e5bad3401059144181895da60d256
<Miouyouyou> Ah, nope, just tired. The URL stays the same. I thought they were versioning through the URL
<Miouyouyou> So, yeah, updated that last one : https://gist.github.com/Miouyouyou/72f520388c5450679512510c8fd5c627
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<rneese> so this will add --install-recommends --install-suggets like so
<rneese> as they each have to have --install- infronto
<rneese> so now where do we call the new function
<Miouyouyou> I'll start the Tinkerboad and check that up
<Miouyouyou> Yeah... However, I still don't know if these are actually valid apt flags
<rneese> they are
<rneese> 1 min
<Miouyouyou> Yep, they are accepted
<rneese> I know its getting late for you
<rneese> so if you have to leave I understand
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<rneese> i used them when we where first running pkg test
<rneese> in $build_desktop
<Miouyouyou> So, yeah, that basically build a big string with each flag being prefixed by " --install-"
<rneese> ok
<rneese> or is it else where
<Miouyouyou> Or maybe I could just start an Ubuntu docker
<rneese> looking lines 283 - 297
<Miouyouyou> Try to use it near those lines yeah, instead of install_deb_chroot
<rneese> ok
<rneese> ok what about line 293
<rneese> chroot "${SDCARD}" /bin/bash -c "apt-get -y -qq install ${CHOSEN_DESKTOP}" >> "${DEST}"/debug/install.log 2>&1
<rneese> when it builds it needs to use the flags
<lanefu> rneese: what if you just add the recommended and suggested packages into the package list
<rneese> because it makes the list way to big and by using this command we leave it a option and keeps the base list smaller
<rneese> we dont want 500+ pkgs in the desktop/packages file
<rneese> this makes it easier
<rneese> in distributions.sh ?
<rneese> Miouyouyou, ?
<lanefu> you could put the recommened and additional packages in just additonal vars. then append the vars to the desktop package list?
<lanefu> just simpler than making the flags switchable
<rneese> I just figured the flags are easier then having to generate multi list with the new build system
<rneese> trying to keep code minimal
<rneese> running test 1
<Miouyouyou> Well, adding the whole package list would be better, since we know what packages we are actually installing. The problem is getting that list. That said, yeah, for control purposes the list should be complete.
<rneese> plus as the recommends and suggest change this makes it so we dont have to mod the this all the time
<Miouyouyou> I'm just trying to add apt repositories for the moment, so that we can at least deal with 3D drivers, which will require such features
<rneese> making it so we can add custom repos
<rneese> testing the stuff we added
<rneese> we did 3 files
<rneese> is there more
<Miouyouyou> Well, if the flags are passed correctly and everything is installed, no that should be all.
<rneese> testing
<lanefu> IgorPec: Werner i'm trying to just think of documentation topics that are missing, and deeper coverage into some of armbian's features like ramlog, armbianmonitor etc.. so if you have any more ideas please just add issues on github repo... I'm hoping we can get some community help there
<rneese> next part to fix it the armbian-config so that when you use a base mg ans install desktop you get to select which one
<rneese> looks like it worked
<rneese> 1032 pkgs up from 745
<rneese> so it looks like it used the flag
<rneese> lanfu we can make it work both ways
<rneese> but I just wanted the easier do to package changes happening and not wanting to edit files all the time
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<rneese> so this knoocks off 2 items on the todo list
<rneese> thanks for the help and teaching time Miouyouyou
<rneese> I will review to get my brain working again
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<Miouyouyou> Alright
<IgorPec> this channel become chatty :) can't follow
<IgorPec> lanefu: i was talking with nico today and he is interested to do some video
<Werner> Nice
<lanefu> IgorPec: great! I was hoping he might want to make some more :)
<Werner> Me too
<IgorPec> and he said he can do something, but currently has to finish something else ... then
<IgorPec> "Try to include other regulars in shaping the video. Also IMO its best to plan it the way it can be updated in case of changes, make modular, more short ones per sections"
<IgorPec> perhaps he show ups tomorrow and we can talk more about
<lanefu> good plan
<IgorPec> yeah, now let's see where we will get with it
<lanefu> maybe archetech can make a video on how to uninstall armbian :P
<IgorPec> haha
<lanefu> IgorPec: is there a meeting agenda posted anywhere?
<lanefu> like for specifics for this release? are we just gonna go through the board
<IgorPec> nothing specific, just going trought the open thigns
<lanefu> okay
<IgorPec> i will be less prepared as usuall, since i had very busy weeks
<lanefu> Tony_mac32: will you make it to the meetin gtomorrow?
<rneese> so IgorPec with the help of Miouyouyou 2 items have been knocked off I got the desktop name added
<IgorPec> rneese: noticed, yes
<IgorPec> great, things are moving, that's important
<rneese> learnig is not bad its retaining it the hard part
<rneese> how can I see if the option was passed is there a degub level out put
<lanefu> Werner: what did you mean by "Add hint how to get constellations that are not provided offically" ?
<rneese> so we can see all ommands passed
<Werner> lanefu, not all flavors with all available branches are provided for some boards. So if you want bullseye with legacy for board xy you have to build it yourself
<rneese> commands even I want o see it pass the git commage with the --includes
<rneese> --install-option
<lanefu> Werner: gotcha.. constellations threw me off :)
<Werner> Hehe
<IgorPec> rneese: probably not implemented?
<rneese> we added it
<rneese> the debug output
<rneese> ok
<IgorPec> aha, don't know
<rneese> we added code today for the --install-option
<IgorPec> i think we will need another channel, armbian-devel :)
<rneese> yes
<Werner> Sure thing
<rneese> ok he set it up
<rneese> we have armbian-devel
<Werner> #armbian-devel
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<IgorPec> great!
<lanefu> Werner: do we manage channeltopic via armbianhelper?
<lanefu> i need to RTFM on armbianhelper
<Werner> No since he does not have op either. You can use chanserv for that or give yourself op and edit by hand
<rneese> man having pithos is so nice
<rneese> pithos is pandora radio for linux
<lanefu> IgorPec: i'd like to add Pinebook Pro beta to nightly...
<lanefu> is that still done via config/targets.conf? cool if I update?
<IgorPec> yes, go
<rneese> Miouyouyou, if can join the armbian-devel
<rneese> and its looking I might have been wrong
<rneese> not shure its pushing the setting
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<lanefu> Werner: what do you think about adding some of the armiban repos to #armbian-commits? specifically armbian/config and armbian/documentation
<IgorPec> we can add all active ? also armbian-firmware
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<lanefu> #armbian-commits is like my favorite thing ever
<Werner> Sure thing, needs to be done by a repo owner
<Werner> Simply copy the webhook values from the build repoistory to make it work
<lanefu> cool i'll take care of it
<Miouyouyou> Hmm ?
<lanefu> alright that should be good for armbian-commits
<IgorPec> Miouyouyou: we open new channel for strictly development issues
<IgorPec> Miouyouyou: armbian-devel
<Miouyouyou> Ok, just checking with my proxy interface
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<lanefu> BTW y'all. I've decided the pinebook pro is a total winner
<IgorPec> because of such a wonderfull OS ?:)
<lanefu> definetly part of it
<lanefu> i never thought i'd actually like XFCE but its been growing on me
<lanefu> especially when found xfce-look.org
<IgorPec> soon there will be more choices ...
<lanefu> yeah i gotta say DDE and budgie are pretty slick
<lanefu> dde seemed fine on PBP in my brief testing
<lanefu> BTW i used the schedutil governor, but i don't know how to prove that its better
<lanefu> it takes more of a middle ground on frequencies
<lanefu> ondemand seems kind of all-or-nothing
<IgorPec> mainline ?
<lanefu> yeah man
<IgorPec> 3399 is well supported by now, yeahb
<lanefu> im running 5.8.12
<lanefu> only problem now is something happened to my brain, and all I want to use is bullseye
<lanefu> so makes it harder for me to tweak focal :P
<IgorPec> hehe, well, you can have it
<IgorPec> but its probably a bit more buggy now
<lanefu> nah it's fine
<lanefu> been using it for weeks on pbp
<lanefu> and its mesa stuff works out of the box
<lanefu> and by weeks i guess i mean 2 weeks
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<archetech> lanefu, sure mkfs.ext4 /dev/(armbian)
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<archetech> lol only problem now is something happened to my brain, and all I want to use is bullseye
<archetech> cuz its fresh fast and pretty like a hot chick
<lanefu> Ext4 boo. You seem like a Reiserfs guy
<rneese> f2fs or bktrfs
<rneese> only way to go on emmc/ssd
<archetech> I have no need of exotic stuff just latest stuff
<archetech> I run minimal on all my linux
<archetech> why I build alot from source
<archetech> I just solved a hackintosh gpu config issue that causes thousands of emails per yr
<archetech> every new user gets stumped by intel hd 5/6xx iGPU configs they spend countless days on it then buy a rx 570/580 just to get metal hw accel
<rneese> i would swap my rk3399+nvme 128 gig for a pbp
<archetech> that makes no sense
<rneese> yes because I want to have a arm laptop
<rneese> the pbp is going to be it
<archetech> its a rockpro64 witha bd and screen dude
<archetech> kbd
<rneese> its a edp screen
<rneese> and cannot get the edp workingon the t4
<rneese> and the piinebook info no help
<rneese> ig I could get the edp port working I coould do more
<rneese> ig/if
<rneese> I have a 11 inch edp screen
<archetech> hmm I run my N2 with a 27" QHD IPS monitor cant any higher quality here
<archetech> get*
<rneese> but I have to be portable not going to hall a monitor around
<archetech> my 7 yr old dell ivy LT blows it away heh
<archetech> 3521
<archetech> but yeah "arm" yeha
<rneese> clear
<rneese> ok bbiab
<archetech> id like a pinephone plus if they ever make one
<archetech> with a kbd and mon heh
<lanefu> archetech: you're describing the pinetab basically
<archetech> has it got a cell chip?
<archetech> fit in a pocket?
<rneese> ok i like pinetab its the pbp in tablet touchscreen
<rneese> if I have the edp port workin on the t4 I would make a tbalet with mine
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<archetech> think inghow x86_64 cpu's have hit a fab brick wall intel's 7nm wil be2 more yrs amd will max out soon too
<archetech> apple moves to arm nvidia buys arm holdings wild times
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<rneese> now I see why they say dont run a ios from thumbdrive
<rneese> my thumbdrive crashed and wont boot
<archetech> and sbc's generally stink cuz its chinese tech
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<nologin> archetech: wild times indeed, let's hope nvidia will share bifrost docs, so we can have decent gpu driver for n2
<nologin> archetech: btw. my n2 is able to run 4k fine
<archetech> 2k is fine atm here good to know it works @4k for future
* archetech is reading about linux on risc-v
<archetech> the new thing
<archetech> byob build ur own board and put linux on it
<archetech> tony would like it
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<nologin> don't know about risc-v, but looks like risc will gain popularity in the coming years
<nologin> http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ - oh, what a cool atmosphere!
<nologin> highly recommended for old people like me ;)
<IgorPec> for those younger to hear :)
<archetech> RISC-V architecture is a reaction to the end of
<archetech> conventional transistor scaling thought so
<archetech> I predict intel/amd will fold up and morph to supporting this
<archetech> end of IP silicon capitalism
<IgorPec> IMO they are already morhed in the backstage
<archetech> gosh all those huge fabs goona be ghosts
<nologin> you think intel/amd will switch to risc?
<archetech> well cisc was always about the $
<archetech> Igor think i'd take that 6k and build a small arm farm
<archetech> get about oh 64 N2's and mesh them
<archetech> or 32 and thr est for a san for it
<archetech> the rest
<archetech> give ya ~200 cores heh
<nologin> wouldn't it still be slower for one task when compared to let's say 64c thdripper?
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<archetech> yes it wouldnt be for running apps other than distributed parallel compiling
<archetech> or a hadoop database
<nologin> never did distributed computing myself, maybe i should try it one day with all the cores i have available at home :)
<nologin> is it easy to "hack" gnu make for example so that it distributed load in a networked environment?
<nologin> *distributes
<archetech> can do it with a server and a bunch of vm's tied together
<nologin> do you really need vm's for that?
<archetech> well who has $ for a dozen boxes
<archetech> one ryzen could do iti with vm's on one box
<nologin> whoever is lazy like me and never sells his hardware
<archetech> best to have homogeneous hardware
<archetech> not spare stuff
<nologin> that's not the case unfortunately
<nologin> but i imagine for kernel compilation it shouldn't matter much how long it takes to compile a single object
<archetech> with 32 N2's a kernel would compile in about 1 minute
<nologin> that's 192 cores, right?
<archetech> 6x 32
<archetech> theirs benchmarks that back that up they build a kernel on an epyc with 2 rome cpu's fast
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<archetech> id like to see a photonic based server do a kernel those they have inb labs atm
<nologin> just tried 'time make -j32 all' on my desktop with a custom config (a lot smaller than usual config coming with a distro kernel) and it turned out 1m30s
<nologin> 2950x
<archetech> there ya go
<nologin> maybe when i'm bored i'll read about distributed compilation and see how it turns out with about 50 cores added on different boxes
<nologin> could be interesting
<archetech> doable
<archetech> use a 10GB switch :)
<nologin> 1Gbps only :(
<nologin> anyone using ibm model m?
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<lanefu> I had a model m with a ps/2 VGA all-in one
<nologin> vga?
<lanefu> Also I love bbs documentary. I ran 2 BBS
<nologin> oh, cool :)
<nologin> did you have any problems with the model m due drawing too much power on the port?
<lanefu> Yeah it was a model 25 or 30? It was old when I got it
<lanefu> Nah I only ran it on the real ibm
* nologin stupid
<nologin> ok, got it now, IBM PS/2 computer with model m
<lanefu> Ha ya
<nologin> sounds reasonable when using IBM machine, things get interesting today with all the ps2->usb converters etc.
<lanefu> Yeah. I wonder what the voltage was on the ps/2 port given rs232 is like 12
<lanefu> My fancy keyboard with cherry clears is collecting dust downtown at the office. I miss it
<nologin> cherry clear! basically the last mechanical switch i need to try
<nologin> need=want
<lanefu> Yeah they were too stiff for my buddy so I bought the keyboard from him since I murder keys
<nologin> i'm used to high g keyboard i guess, been using mostly Topre Realforce with 55g actuation for the last couple of years
<nologin> great keyboard btw.
<nologin> i got the model m recently and i'm not certain key, but i think it's too heavy for me
<lanefu> Yeah I'm not really a keyboard geek, just kinda stumbled into my current
<nologin> i mean the actuation
<nologin> nevermind
<lanefu> Ha sorry wasn't trying to shut you down or anything. Just didn't wanna disappoint
<lanefu> Oddly I'm a ms natural fan lol
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<nologin> ms?
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