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<Tonymac32> sigh
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<Tonymac32> I had today off, and the next 2 days, I am celebrating my latest full revolution around the ball of fusion that tries to give me cancer
<Tonymac32> and my company mandated everyone be under a certain number of vacation days by the end of the month or risk losing them since the lockdowns have nuked the economy and unused personal days are apparently a balance sheet line item
<Tonymac32> :D
<lanefu> Ha. Yeah I need to use some PTO myself
<lanefu> I challenge you to do nothing
<Tonymac32> I already admit defeat
<Tonymac32> I started sealing the concrete floor in my shed to reduce the dust in there for work purposes
<Tonymac32> and am going to try to negotiate the contract amnufacturing of a couple of my baords over the next couple days
<Tonymac32> :D
<Tonymac32> The issue is I *enjoy* those things
<lanefu> Like a whole epoxy deal if just like a clear coat sealer
<lanefu> *or
<Tonymac32> unlike the job that pays me, where I feel like an epically overpaid secretary/intellectual mall guard
<Tonymac32> just a clear coat sealer, I'm not spending any extra on it and can only do it in sections because I can't empty the building in the weather I have acailable
<Tonymac32> available*
<Tonymac32> did you like my little ESP32 board? The S2 one will be cheaper because it's just plain not as capable
<Tonymac32> that's a truth the trendy maker community doesn't like to look in the eye
<lanefu> Yeah dude I think its gonna be a great board
<lanefu> Just gotta convince you to make RGB led driver hat
<Tonymac32> The S2 one doesn't need the GPIO expander, so I'm eager to see Espressif release a serious replacement for the ESP32
<Tonymac32> the S2 is an ESP8266 replacement in all honesty
<Tonymac32> I want those dual cores
<Tonymac32> and bluetooth
<lanefu> Yeah which great. Esp8266 weak link is TLS
<lanefu> Is the capped esp32s2 the same size of 8266?
<Tonymac32> no, it has a ton more GPIO
<Tonymac32> but
<Tonymac32> This little guy might make it pheasible to replace some ESP8266 stuff, I haven't looked at it though
<Tonymac32> in that context*
<Tonymac32> uh, I made up a word there
<Tonymac32> anyway
<Tonymac32> I can feel my blood pressure rise when my work phone has a notification by the way
<lanefu> Hahaha
<lanefu> Dude I know. When I started monitoring armbian I had my old notification sounds from work
<lanefu> And like my heart wanted to explode
<Tonymac32> haha
<Tonymac32> so, how bad do you want a drop-in ESP8266MODH replacement? :P
<Tonymac32> honestly it might be too big, I'd have to actually size it up
<lanefu> I'm just dreaming my tasmota light bulbs of tomorrow
<Tonymac32> haha
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<Tonymac32> I don't know what kind of music everyone listens to hear, but I got the new Sevendust album because, holy crap it's Sevendust. Anyway, they did a cover of "The Day I tried to Live" and I'm not even mad
<Tonymac32> smart light bulbs lol
<Tonymac32> I kind of reject the entire idea, the fixture should be smart
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<Tonymac32> since apparently making an LED that doesn't suck is just too damned hard
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<Tonymac32> flyback I see you
<Tonymac32> trying to be sneaky
<Tonymac32> :D
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<Tonymac32> oof @lanefu there's only 0.6 mm difference between the ESP32-S2 package and that common ESP8266 package. I know I could do something with it, but that is tight
<Tonymac32> haha
<Tonymac32> lanefu ^
<lanefu> Ha
<lanefu> Pretty close
<Tonymac32> I want to try it now and stuff it on my Node MCU baord
<Tonymac32> haha
<lanefu> Lol
<Tonymac32> Achievement unlocked: Pointless energy expenditure in search of dopamine
<lanefu> I admire the drive
<Tonymac32> brain worms
<Tonymac32> and a lack of inspiration in the professional worlkd
<Tonymac32> :D
<Tonymac32> I don't watch television for example
<Tonymac32> hmmmmmmmmm
<lanefu> Does the esp32s2 have the same deep sleep features as esp32
<Tonymac32> I think it is very similar in that respect
<Tonymac32> I haven't done a 1:1 comparison because the S2 didn't interest me that much after I played with the Beta silicon
<Tonymac32> I'm hoping the following chips have the same form factor/pinout just with the extra core
<Tonymac32> Espressif needed to debug the USB and the new core (Extensa LX7 instead of the LX6 in the ESP32), so hopefully they just stuff another one in there and ship a real ESP32 replacement soon
<Tonymac32> the new core is way more powerful than the old, but you can't overcome parallel processing that way
<Tonymac32> Wifi has requirements that introduce latency into anything else you want the single core to do
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<lanefu> Werner: you're late for work
<lanefu> Wanted to let you know that the tvbox move to club really cleaned up my forum feed.. and I'm enjoying the dark theme..especially on mobile
<lanefu> Chosing slumber. Tonymac32 try not to design too many pcbs tonight
<Tonymac32> lol I'm going to sleep as well. Everyone else, have a good day/morning/evening/ premorning whatever
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<Werner> Good morning
<Werner> Yeah lot less activity in tv boxes. Not sure why. Topics are the same, most of them closed not though.
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<sjthearts> is EvilOlaf@github in the room?
<Werner> sjthearts, yup
<sjthearts> If you have a minute, can I ask you a few newb questions by /msg?
<Werner> Feel free to ask here, maybe somebody else has answers too and can help people later too because the channel is logged :)
<sjthearts> cool... I have a scenario that requires completely reproducible builds. There's a lot of git & apt activity that I would like to avoid if possible. I tried simply backing up the cache dir and moving it into a fresh tree and NO_HOST_CHECK, but I didn't have much luck.
<sjthearts> I'd like to backup the download cache while leaving the build cache fresh and empty. does that make sense?
<Werner> Small disclaimer: I am no developer. I mostly do community management but I'll try to bring some answers. NO_HOST_CHECK does AFAIR just check if you run building on a supported build environment. To say native bionic, focal, some Mint derivates and so on. So you can ignore that one.
<Werner> Maybe checkout CLEAN_LEVEL parameter. This controls what is kept from earlier buildings. For example if you built a kernel image for board X then this debs are saved at the output directory. You can use the parameter to tell the script to re-use those packages for building new images.
<Werner> It still will check for updates at the source repositories but simply won't use those.
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<sjthearts> cool, I'll examine that. I am using a fixed commit hash from Armbian and I'd like to keep the same versions of whatever sub-repos are used. I suspect some sort of snapshot of a populated build tree would be easier for me than changing ALL the git calls...
<Werner> I never explored going into this direction so I barely can point out a solution, just give some hints
<Werner> However feel free to stick around and maybe somebody else has some further ideas.
<sjthearts> In a product scenario, we don't want the foundation OS to be a moving target, and we want to re-build an old version in an emergency. This might be worthy of Armbian feature work.
<sjthearts> I will gladly share what I figure out
<Werner> Looking forward to that. This could be indeed interesting.
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<Heisath> Hi
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<igorp_> sjthearts: we don't have reproucible builds yet
<ArmbianTwitter> @r_pawlinski (Radosław Pawliński): Will @thepine64 #RockPro64 be good for creating a comprehensive cloud for several institutions? Sure. But can it also handle online office suite with collaborative editing and as a server for videoconferencing? @Nextclouders @CollaboraOffice @libreoffice @jitsinews @armbian RULE! https://t.co/JhfvIVntCo (24s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @orangepixunlong Proudly brought to you by @armbian. Probably just forgot the shoutout. (24s ago)
<igorp_> werner :)
<Werner> Those scumbags
<igorp_> don't worry about
<igorp_> i will ask why thy choose to do that
<igorp_> when i find tim
<ArmbianTwitter> @A13_technology (∆13🏳️‍🌈): @DieZuckerbude @orangepixunlong @armbian They now have 2 build systems with the same name. Not confusing at all. 🤔 https://t.co/L66peOiyN7 (13s ago)
<igorp_> @silver_hook_ ^^
<ArmbianTwitter> @egidijus_li (Egidijus): Finally got my hands on the #HELIOS64 by @kobol_io, lovely bit of kit. Good design, sturdy, and looks great. running #armbian + #openmediavault + #jellyfin can't wait until we have hardware encoding/decoding support on the #rockchip3399 #ffmpeg #NAS #selfhosted #linux #debian (20s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @OPi_Community (Orange-Pi-Community): This was not what I thought of when arguing to ditch the old build-system in favor of @armbian . https://t.co/fR3gz6Y53M (21s ago)
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<silver_hook_> igorp_: What specifically should I be looking on?
<silver_hook_> s/on/at
<ArmbianHelper> silver_hook_ meant to say: igorp_: What specifically should I be looking at?
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<igorp_> siver_hook_: https://twitter.com/orangepixunlong/status/1321783972590804994 orange forked our build script, removed our credentials and provided as "orange pi build system". what do you think?
<archetech> lol the nerve
<igorp_> archetech: you got competition :)
<archetech> bad as whats that dist Karmbian
<silver_hook_> igorp_: So, they took Armbian and rebuilt it and did not mention the name?
<igorp_> nope, they didn't try to hide the origin
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<Werner> they took their time to remove any hints leading to armbian from the source.
<igorp_> silver_Hook: it looks that way, yes
<silver_hook_> igorp_: So, what do you want to do about it?
<archetech> yeah that's agsinst the foss way ethos
<silver_hook_> I guess you would prefer having Armbian named somewhere?
<igorp_> yes, that's all i guess
<silver_hook_> I see that the copyright notices still exist in the code, so that’s OK.
<Werner> where?
<Werner> Well if you compare Armbian scripts to their versions than you will see that the header copyright notices have been removed/altered. Apparently they forgot about removing those you found via search.
<igorp_> they were too lazy i guess :) since armbianEnv.txt goes a bit deeper
<igorp_> still i don't understand why would they do that?
<silver_hook_> Well in that case, they are obliged to keep all the notices where they were. Simple as that.
<igorp_> ok, i'll talk to them asap / its my 1st day of "vacations"
<igorp_> tnx
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<silver_hook_> np, enjoy :)
<silver_hook_> BTW, Armbian stuff is under GPL-2.0, right?
<Werner> Yes
<igorp_> werner: I think just send them this link and they will contact me :)
<igorp_> txy
<Werner> I don't know how well your relationship is to them but aren't Chinese known for being "serious" about minor things like copyright infringement?
* silver_hook_ finds that as news
<silver_hook_> …unless Werner thought that as a joke ;)
<silver_hook_> It is getting much better though
<Werner> In the past the did not care at all...
<Werner> Well it is good news if the situation is getting better
<silver_hook_> You can find some Chinese companies already as OpenChain-conformant, which is a *huge* step: https://www.openchainproject.org/
<Werner> Nice
<silver_hook_> Oh, my bad, I thought Harman was Chinese.
<silver_hook_> But I do know of one or two larger ones that are working towards that.
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<fromport> my helios64 crashed last night. got this info from the serial console: https://termbin.com/lsow Am not so good at reading kernel bugs. Could someone give his opinion what might have gone wrong ?
<Werner> Put it to the Helios64 support topic in forums. There are the guys from kobol watching closely
<fromport> i will, ty
<Werner> np
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<Tonymac32> that one looks like a doozy, "fatal execution in interrupt"
<fromport> at the helios64 forum lots of people complaing about the 5.8.16 kernel being unstable under load. have to find a way to downgrade to either 4.x or 5.8.14 it seems
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<lanefu> fromport: you can use armbian-config to choose an older kernele
<fromport> found a supposedly stable image on https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/armbian-apt/pool/main/l/linux-5.8.14-rockchip64/ but my machine keeps crashing before I am able to download it. will have to start it in single user mode. I know how to do that with sysvinit, but am new to systemd ;-)
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<fromport> armbian-config -> switch to other kernels. found it ;-)
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<fromport> machine rebooted while installing new kernel with armbian-config . [fingers crossed]
<Werner> That is to be expected.
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<fromport> looks good (so far) thanks again
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<fromport> 5.8.14 kernel still crashed, opted for 4.x kernel, after install (armbian-config) and reset i now see at the serial console ### ERROR ### Please RESET the board ###
<igorp__> please reset the board is problem with u-boot / sdcard
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<fromport> i t was booting from internal emmc , will have to put a jumper in to boot from sd card from what I read
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DestroyedLolo (Destroyed Lolo 🎿🏔️🇨🇵🇪🇺🌍): Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a stable system : recurrent crashes due to unsupported instructions by A20 and no support on #armbian forum. So I'll install #Gentoo on it too. (14s ago)
<[TheBug]> As if that isn't the least descriptive or directions response ever
<[TheBug]> directional*
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<ArmbianTwitter> @NicoD99364191 (NicoD): 3 ways to #connect to your #SBC with #Armbian - #SSH, #VNC and #SFTP https://t.co/vw6ESu4Jeg via @YouTube (28s ago)
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<Werner> Not sure if I want Gentoo on a SBC yet. Too impatient waiting for stuff to compile ^^
<archetech> build linux fr scratch its much more interesting
<Werner> LFS is indeed interesting but also needs patience which I dont have. I played with gentoo last time 15 years ago ^^
<archetech> one learns patience and it takes patience to learn patience ;)
<archetech> lfs will teach you the basics of patience because you are assembling an OS
<archetech> yes one has to sloooow down to do it understand it thats opposite of todays hury rush got no time state of mind
<archetech> Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.20.2
<archetech> Distro: Linux From Scratch 20201001-systemd
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<Werner> I made my choice 15 years ago and decide that I am lazy and stick with Debian and its derivates. Though I liked having a FreeBSD machine for two years somewhen ten years ago.
<archetech> yeah its not for everyones tastes thats for sure
<Werner> Its just like eating. Everyone has a different taste :D
<Werner> Some like Sushi, other would call me crazy for eating raw fish :)
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<c0rnelius> I use to use CRUX back in the day which is what Arch was originally based on. I never mind compiling then, but now I just like shit to work easy peasy for the most part.
<[TheBug]> Gentoo? Slackware or die!
<[TheBug]> ;)
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<c0rnelius> I liked CRUX it reminded me of BSD. Ports system and whatnot. I've actually installed it on a few sbcs, but it's really to much work unless ur just aiming for a web or file server.
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<c0rnelius> Devuan is pretty good on SBCs too, being its just debian without systemd.
<Werner> Interesting. They have an image for the OPi1+
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @NicoD99364191: 3 ways to #connect to your #SBC with #Armbian - #SSH, #VNC and #SFTP https://t.co/vw6ESu4Jeg via @YouTube (24s ago)
<c0rnelius> Devuan?
<Werner> yes
<c0rnelius> Just about anything we can do in Debian can be done with Devuan. Just need to the kernel and uboot and know how to create the needed sysv scripts.
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<igorp__> interesting conclusing that gentoo will help :)
<c0rnelius> I'm surprised Armbian hasn't made it an option. It actually has a not so large but dedicated following.
<igorp__> option for ?
<c0rnelius> Devuan
<Werner> Probably noone took time to tinker with that option yet.
<igorp__> like we are bored? :)
<c0rnelius> its the same install minus systemd services
<igorp__> and you will rewrite scripts and maintain them?
<igorp__> just asking
<c0rnelius> scripts don't need changing, just inits need to replace them.
<igorp__> armbian is far enough from debian that this is not one afternoon job
<igorp__> yes, start
<c0rnelius> Oh i understand :D
<c0rnelius> trust me
<igorp__> its not a matter of trust
<igorp__> i will do exactly nothing about
<igorp__> but you can
<igorp__> or anyone else
<c0rnelius> you guys debootstrap and personalize the rootfs right? for both debian and ubuntu?
<igorp__> yes
<c0rnelius> thats where one would need to start then. Would need to know everything that goes into that and anything systemd wise that happens after the fact. You know during the install, if anything.
<igorp__> there is a lot happing after
<igorp__> look on armbian that it uses the same packages and their relaton as debian / ubuntu. but that's it
<[TheBug]> "<igorp__> like we are bored? :)" <-- LOL
* [TheBug] cracks the whip.... get back to work! :D
<c0rnelius> It would for sure be an under taking at first, but nothing life changing. I just know nothing about ur process on that front.
<c0rnelius> just saying... its all the same packages. its just the inits, really.
<igorp__> nothing life changin? I will add 1h to my 10h+ armbian workflow which I have to break down to 5.
<c0rnelius> beowulf is buster, testing and bullseye.
<igorp__> even you do the 90% of coding
<c0rnelius> igorp__: you need a vacation :)
<igorp__> i am on vacations right now :)
<c0rnelius> hah
<c0rnelius> then drink something
<igorp__> i just have my beer
<igorp__> doesn't help either
<igorp__> :)
<igorp__> we had some shit going on today
<c0rnelius> besides the tv boxes? or related.
<igorp__> and i had to deal with it. now we will work on devuan?
<igorp__> no, new shit
<[TheBug]> Starting to sound like you live in a toliet ;p
<archetech> judd V used lfs as the first base
<[TheBug]> lol
<c0rnelius> Hey I never said anyone has to work on Devuan. Just that it would be an interesting add in the future, was all I was getting at.
<igorp__> orangepi released copy of armbian build scrip forgetting to inclide our (c) ... its in the todays irc backlog
<[TheBug]> c0rnelius: what he is really saying is, "Hey thats a great idea, however, if you want that to happen we currently need people who will invest the time to make that happen -- so if you are interested, feel free to take up the reigns and we will try and assist you along the way"
<c0rnelius> oh yes. i saw that... you haggling them?
<igorp__> i haven't spoke with them yet
<c0rnelius> [TheBug]: noted
<igorp__> not sure if there is a missinterpreatation or what is the cause
<c0rnelius> sounds like typical china shit too me.
<igorp__> anyway its not a terrible problem, we just need to settle things
<igorp__> probably
<[TheBug]> Just send someone to yell at Steven
<[TheBug]> ;p
<igorp__> steven probably doesn't even know about
<[TheBug]> I know, was trying to be funny and it failed :Z
<c0rnelius> didn't friendlyarm fork ur builder too, at one point?
<igorp__> they fork it and use it to some degre as well AFIAIK, but not sure if they contribute anyhting
<igorp__> firefly did
<igorp__> they added some useful stuf, and olimx
<[TheBug]> Xunglong probably won't, they will just say "we gave you a bunch of boards, do you need more?" :D
<c0rnelius> I remember asking Da to opensource that builder. That didn't go to well :D I suspect they did as well.
<archetech> some day igor will change the license to the builder saying ya gotta take armbian with it plus $5
<[TheBug]> s/Xunglong/Xunlong
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: Xunlong probably won't, they will just say "we gave you a bunch of boards, do you need more?" :D
<igorp__> archetech: only you could do that
<igorp__> archetech: armbian stuff is gpl2
<igorp__> which has its pros and con
<archetech> licenses can change
<c0rnelius> Honestly though... are you really surprised by any of this?
* [TheBug] isn't that sounds exactly like Xunlong to me :Z
<archetech> no thats licenses dont matter
<igorp__> we don't need to change licences
<igorp__> in this case - and probably many othes - they have no clue what licence is and what are their obligations
<[TheBug]> nah just need to keep communications open, toften times its justa misunderstanding ..
<c0rnelius> isn't the problem that the license can't be enforced unless you pay a bunch of lawyers and blah blah?
<c0rnelius> i mean... its china
<igorp__> i am almost certain its misunderstanding
<archetech> more like a lack of consciousness on their part
<[TheBug]> yeah the regulartions in China are different and they just don't think that stuff through -- if you bug them enough I would expect that will comply to avoid the drama, they probably just didn't think about it cause they didn't have to at the time.
<igorp__> there is little to no harm, "just" our credits are gone, while it should be there
<c0rnelius> no offense to them as people, but the business practices aren't the greatest
<igorp__> armbian build system without maintainece, wihout us, worth little
<archetech> every gov these days has a small army probing every ip on the planet for goodies
<archetech> oh was this your IP sry
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<ArmbianTwitter> @sharperstill (sharper-still-at-home): @NicoD99364191 @armbian @YouTube I just found out about sftp. So much easier than managing smb shares! (18s ago)
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<archetech> IgorPec: what brand of beer was that ya had
<archetech> east eu ive had pilsner urquell long time ago
<nekomancer[m]> [igorp__](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_igorp__:matrix.org): vacation with no connectivity
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<ArmbianTwitter> @hyc_symas (Howard Chu): @johnregehr @mssx86 Armbian seems pretty healthy to me, not sure there's any qualitative difference there. (19s ago)
* Tonymac32 goes to grab a Newcastle
<Tonymac32> I'm halfway through my 30's, life is over. XD
<Tonymac32> j/k j/k
* nekomancer[m] 46
<nekomancer[m]> and yes, life is over
<Tonymac32> hahahahaha
<Tonymac32> trying to get a nanopi to identify itself as a blutooth speaker, why is this so hard
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<Tonymac32> martinayotte I enabled the H3 audio codec overlay on my NanoPi Neo and now aplay -l hangs the system. Any ideas? :/
<Tonymac32> kernel 5.8
<Tonymac32> :-)
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<Tonymac32> rneese hello
<nekomancer[m]> chewitt holds a lot of patches to linux on github. did somebody know why he not upstream it into linux nor armbian?
<rneese> hey just dropping in and seing whats going on then bCK TO RECOVERY MODE ON COUCH
<rneese> knee post surgery infection . been on hard antibiotics it looks to be getting better
<Tonymac32> glad it's on the upside, infections are tough business
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<rneese> yeah did not see it coming the first2 weeks where fine
<rneese> sat night it set in and my knee swelled up and got really hot
<Tonymac32> brother in law got a wicked infection in a surgery spot on his stomach
<rneese> ended up er on monday and in hospital
<Tonymac32> ugh
<rneese> got home wednesday afternoon
<rneese> so now just staying low and letting body do the work
<Tonymac32> right
<rneese> so I just popped in to see whats going on and then back to couch
<rneese> watch tv
<rneese> so once I feel better I will be back
<Tonymac32> take your time
<Tonymac32> I'm just fighting with an H3 being an ass about enabling analog audio
<Tonymac32> :D
<rneese> ahh ok
<rneese> well back later
<rneese> gn
<Tonymac32> I built a little stereo music player box for my son a while back using a baby NanoPi Neo
<rneese> ok
<Tonymac32> and a PAM8403 stereo amplifier, and I want to make it be a bluetooth speaker for his MP3 player
<Tonymac32> yeah....
<nekomancer[m]> "being an ass about enabling analog audio"?
<nekomancer[m]> I know all that words, but not sure I can understand the phrase :(
<rneese> hope you work it out
<Tonymac32> "being an ass" + intentionally difficult to spite me
<rneese> foods on and I am being yeld at
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<Tonymac32> later on, rest up
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<Tonymac32> nekomancer[m] chewitt does upstream some stuff, but remember others have to accept it, which doesn't always happen
<Tonymac32> abd patches that are good for media are not inherently good for general purpose use
<Tonymac32> like 900 MB CMA buffers :P
<Tonymac32> Giving my RPi + IQAudio DAC Pro one last chance, then a Tinker is going in there because I'm not buying "Idiot SBC power supply design proof" SD cards
* Tonymac32 shakes fist at sky
<Tonymac32> nothing I have corrupts its filesystem other than those wonders of engineering
<Tonymac32> *disclaimer* I do not own a Pi newer than the first batch of Pi 3. I swore to not give them any more money at that point
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<nekomancer[m]> they did a big deal: create and advertize SBC-for-makers culture.
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @OPi_Community @armbian Well said lol (2s ago)
<Tonymac32> nekomancer[m] sure, and up until the Pi 3 I was a fan
<Tonymac32> Today if you pose a question they don't like the answer is "We sold millions, it must be your personal problem that you think it isn't perfect"
<Tonymac32> and if you insist, you get banned
<nekomancer[m]> so humans.
<Tonymac32> of course, but of the political class in nature, not the technical/open source class
<lanefu> Hi y'all
<Tonymac32> I would expect that result of a fat politician who is paid to lie professionally
<Tonymac32> howdy Lanefu
<Tonymac32> oh wow it's been almost 2 years since I tried Volumio on this machine
<Tonymac32> this should be interesting
<lanefu> Yeah 2 years.in software years