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<rneese> ok
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<archetech> whats an ar-457
<c0rnelius> archetech: got 1080p vids playing in aarch64/debian on the Pi4 :D
<c0rnelius> next step... create the patches needed to use it in mainline.
<stipa> nice
<stipa> someone is having fun
<c0rnelius> mostly boredom
<archetech> yeah I like to see much they can do peeps have 4k vid too
<nekomancer[m]> h264 or h265? 10 bit color?
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]:Em0ne had done some stuff on native builds, but not too much progress yet
<nekomancer[m]> emOne: curious how to make build toolkit. I spent lot of time on it without success.
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]:they're not around
<nekomancer[m]> ok
<lanefu> but i glanced at their code and was mostly adding some conditionals and trying to use gcc from build-essentials
<nekomancer[m]> and instead gcc4 too?
<nekomancer[m]> is it legal?
<lanefu> no idea
<lanefu> i kinda figured we should probably download gcc directly from arm. and do teh same thing we do for cross compiling
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: are you interested in trying to work onit?
<nekomancer[m]> yes
<nekomancer[m]> <lanefu "i kinda figured we should probab"> but there only cross compilers availale
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]:it reads a little funny, but "aarch64 hosted" https://snipboard.io/S9VQpo.jpg
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<nekomancer[m]> yes-yes. arm-none-eabi.
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<nekomancer[m]> need aarch64-none-linux-gnueabi
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<lanefu> what is gnueabi
<nekomancer[m]> gcc-arm-aarch64-none-linux-gnu-abe-manifest
<nekomancer[m]> set we need
<nekomancer[m]> but... it not builds
<lanefu> what requirement does that satisfy that arm-none-linux-gnueabihf and aarch64-none-elf dont
<nekomancer[m]> linux-gnu — targt we need
<nekomancer[m]> as I understand — linking and libc library
<archetech> aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu
<lanefu> They closed the floodwall doors downtown... river be high https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5FnNcBoKtA&feature=emb_logo
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<TRS-80> This looks very different from my boot.cmd file? https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/bootscripts/boot-sunxi.cmd
<Tonymac32> well now what is that lanefu
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<lanefu> water
<TRS-80> the end is nigh
<Tonymac32> how high's the water mam? 3' high and risin. How high's the water papa? she said it's 3' high an risin
<TRS-80> my kinda music man, daddy sang bass...
<Tonymac32> :)
* Tonymac32 is checking for an ethernet fault mentioned on Linux-amlogic, looks like we're clean
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<lanefu> sweet
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<lanefu> my buddy said this is the fastest single threaded score for any mac ever made https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4652718
<lanefu> on the new arm m1 chip
<Tonymac32> IRQ7 port 220
<lanefu> 02F8 base address?
<Tonymac32> there we go
<nekomancer[m]> soundblaster?
<Tonymac32> haha yes
<lanefu> turn off your parallel port and get another IRQ
<Tonymac32> how will I run my scanner??
* nekomancer[m] tinked cowox, and did a precision resistors with stick gum
<TRS-80> Can I just slap this in for my boot.cmd? Looks very different: https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/bootscripts/boot-sunxi.cmd
<Tonymac32> I thin kyou probably can, save the old one
<Tonymac32> what is the old one even
<nekomancer[m]> TRS-80: what you want to get? what goal?
<TRS-80> boot my cubietruck?
<lanefu> slap in boot command and make an armbianEnv.txt file with rootdev= defined
* nekomancer[m] hides
<lanefu> als dont forge to generated boot.scr from bootcmd
* TRS-80 doesn't know what any of that means
<TRS-80> :/
<lanefu> Tonymac32: he's running debian jessie... and had an armbian -next kernel
<lanefu> TRS-80: mount that sdcard again and pin up another tmate
<TRS-80> orite
<Tonymac32> oh dang that is krust
<Tonymac32> krusty
<Tonymac32> # Recompile with:
<Tonymac32> # mkimage -C none -A arm -T script -d /boot/boot.cmd /boot/boot.scr
<Tonymac32> :P
<TRS-80> I was looking at that
<TRS-80> (see my post)
<TRS-80> just very unsure here
<lanefu> so don't tell anyone i was this helpful or we won't be able to have nice things
<TRS-80> of course not, wouldn't want to ruin your rep
<TRS-80> also, I'll send you a check after :)
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> keep it and use it to buy something newer than a cubieboard
<lanefu> actually props to you for letting it continue to have a purpose
<TRS-80> it's a TRUCK
<lanefu> lol
<nekomancer[m]> pick-up with pin-up?
<nekomancer[m]> who is zed? zed is dead
<Tonymac32> lanefu ROFL
<Tonymac32> whose bike is that?
<TRS-80> faak what is PM command again?
<nekomancer[m]> "/msg" ?
<nekomancer[m]> "/q" ?
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<mike64> lanefu: thanks again for the help last night. So today has been filled with installing docker and learning armbian build. I have built the current kernel with no changes. I tried to install the rt patch but ran into a problem. The closest I can get numbers to match is like this: current-kernel-5.9.7 current rt-patch-5.9.1 current legacy-5.4.75 rt-5.4.74. Both ways the patches fail (I'm guessing that's because the numbers don't mat
<mike64> ch) What i don't know how to do is make armbian build use different souces to match the rt patches available. Or how to fix it myself. Any thought?
* Tonymac32 backing up files on my build server instead of building stuff tonight since we EOL'd bionic
<Tonymac32> what was wrong with Bionic?
<lanefu> i asked... "some troubles"
<lanefu> :P
<Tonymac32> I had no troubles
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> same
<lanefu> mike64: yeah first thing is look at build/output/debug/patching.log
<lanefu> but might actually need to change what repo and tag n stuff your kernel comes from isntead of default
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<mike64> how would I do that or where is the manual so can FRI
<lanefu> FRI?
<Tonymac32> Ford Rivers Intelligently
<lanefu> that is false
<TRS-80> 2 more hours in EST
<lanefu> a ford boat would sink
<Tonymac32> Functional Rover Independence
<TRS-80> t. Ford hatred
<nekomancer[m]> oops, sorry
<TRS-80> I took it as ford
* TRS-80 was also reading up on Docker a lot today
* DigitalMan1983_ too
<Tonymac32> sheesh, no one played Oregon Trail apparently
<lanefu> TRS-80: well if you're late to teh docker party.. look into podman
<DigitalMan1983_> haha I got the reference!!
<lanefu> Tonymac32: yeah i getcha ford the river
<lanefu> took me a while
<Tonymac32> and I have a Ferd
<Tonymac32> and a Derge
<TRS-80> lanefu: OK, coming from you, will do
* nekomancer[m] plays oregon trail on RADIO86RK in 1987
<Tonymac32> the Ferd is 7 years older and in way better mechanical shape :)
* DigitalMan1983_ doesn't go that far back but remembers playing it on an apple IIe
<lanefu> yeah i need a respectable way to play oregon trial
<TRS-80> But even before this current pickle, I have been thinking about the idea more like cattle, where this server has definitely been a pet so far. Also distributed nodes (family) linked together over wireguard.
<DigitalMan1983_> I have to say the windows version they made in the 90s was pretty cool
<lanefu> yeah we had the IIgs machines at school
<lanefu> so you know that was the hotness
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<lanefu> TRS-80: i just need to get you to trying the ansible koolaid
<Tonymac32> We had 1 IIgs
<Tonymac32> and a thousand IIe's
<Tonymac32> do you know in 2002 they threw tham all in a dumpster?
<DigitalMan1983_> I believe it! outdated, old, obsolete.....but not enough so to be worth anything at that time
<TRS-80> lanefu: Docker compose I thought would work fine? What am I missing?
<Tonymac32> yeah, I wish I could have saved the gs and a couple c's
<DigitalMan1983_> I really miss my commodore. left it at a hackerspace I'm no longer a member of :(
* Tonymac32 secretly wants the keyboard computer back
<TRS-80> Actually after reading today, I thought Docker compose + config + secrets + swarm would probably fit my needs nicely (but you probably know better).
<Tonymac32> but a real one
<Tonymac32> not some Pi debris
<lanefu> TRS-80:i had doker compose in principl
<lanefu> and swarm
<lanefu> but its probably just fine for your lifestyle
* Tonymac32 wonders why lanefu and TRS-80 are speaking Klingon
<DigitalMan1983_> haha docker is still a pretty foreign concept to me, I'm learning it to try and wrap my brain around Olimex's build scripts
<TRS-80> I sort of gathered that Ansible, Chef, etc. were sort of things before Docker came to prominence? And more for VMs sort of, rather than containers / services?
<TRS-80> Docker is actually quite simple I think
<lanefu> Docker's biggest crime is Dockerfile
<TRS-80> Well, grasping the concepts anyway. I just started though.
<lanefu> it's a huge step backwards
* lanefu big ansible fan
<lanefu> ..and you can run ansible on containers to configure them too
<TRS-80> OK, so you prefer the syntax? Or?
<Tonymac32> My friend is sending me ratchets on messenger now becuase he used my 2005 Stanley China Walmart one
<ArmbianHelper> and you can run ansible on containers to configure them too [en~>eng]
<Tonymac32> I've onlyt use a sledghammer on it a few times
<Tonymac32> and a floor jack
* Tonymac32 didn't have a breaker bar for a while
* TRS-80 adds podman, ansible to reading list
<lanefu> my favorite HF tool is the 4lb drilling hammer
<Tonymac32> mine is the hair trimmer from hell
* TRS-80 is extremely pleased with recent purchase of Bauer (red) 3/8" impact bit driver
<lanefu> Tonymac32: my buddy gave me a flex head finetoothed snapon ratchet for christmas last year..... just to poisin my mind
<TRS-80> lanefu: what a dirty bastard
<Tonymac32> lanefu I have destroyed Snap-on hardware doing far less than anything that Stanley has endured
<nekomancer[m]> omg, how do you live with that simple fractions, all that 3/8, 5/6, 7/8 rtc
<Tonymac32> I got a used 1/2" air impact on ebay for $13 including shippiong
<TRS-80> same way as you nekomancer[m], we grew up with it
<Tonymac32> yeah, what TRS-80 said
<Tonymac32> now anything under 1/8 I have an easier time going to mm
* nekomancer[m] first and last time sees that fractions at school. Newer in real life.
<Tonymac32> but #engineer
* nekomancer[m] born and live with metric system
<nekomancer[m]> amperial units are so complex
* DigitalMan1983_ thinks PMIC on Olinuxino is blown
<Tonymac32> oh no
<DigitalMan1983_> yeah it's a QFN too
<DigitalMan1983_> I have the equipment to replace it at work, it's just gonna suck
<TRS-80> you guys see that video where the guy solders some.... extremely tiny thing by hand?
<Tonymac32> Hot air and some prayers to The Old Ones
<TRS-80> it's extremely anxiety inducing lol
<DigitalMan1983_> oh yeah, I'm more worried about surrounding components than the IC itself
<TRS-80> ooh! found it!
<TRS-80> Hand soldering a WLCSP package
<TRS-80> :D
<DigitalMan1983_> although it has a stupid ground pad underneath that I'll have to paste and flow
<Tonymac32> I'm going to attempt fixing an SBC with lifted RAM pads that [TheBug] is sending me, just for the storytelling if I pull it off
<Tonymac32> kind of like re-aligning my camshaft after the passenger side head skipped the chain with a set of channel locks and my calibrated lazy eye
* Tonymac32 has 10k miles on it since repair with an unusual amount of time spent at 6250 RPM
<Tonymac32> 4.0 L V6's love 6000+ RPM
<Tonymac32> :D
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: I use mostly metric tools even on my american cars... mostly use the fraction stuff in carpetntry
<Tonymac32> Automotive went primarily metric starting in the 80's
<lanefu> rofl
<lanefu> yeah my wagoneer is the first car where i've really had to bust out the SAE stuff
<TRS-80> what Tonymac32 said
<Tonymac32> as an update, replacing my spring shackles/bushings/hangers, I don't get any axle hop while... um spinning the tires
<Tonymac32> :-D
<TRS-80> it has to be pretty old domestic not to have metric any more
<lanefu> rofl
<lanefu> i guess i'll cancel those ladder bars i was gonna get you for xmas
<Tonymac32> yeah, there were some weird growing pains there
<Tonymac32> like imperial body hardware and metric engine stuff
<Tonymac32> and my Ford 8.8" rear end, well ,the name says it
* Tonymac32 still backing up files before trying cursed upgrade
* Tonymac32 might have bought a 10 pack of 10mm sockets
* DigitalMan1983_ totally bought 15 5-packs of flush cutters instead of 15 pairs
<Tonymac32> LOL
<Tonymac32> I bought 3 packs of rubber bands, not realizing they were 3, 3 pack 1 lb bags
<DigitalMan1983_> When my boss asked if I ordered enough of everything I just said "we will never run out of flush cutters. ever."
<Tonymac32> famous lasy word
<Tonymac32> last
<Tonymac32> dfkjasfjsldfj
<lanefu> a long time ago i worked at corporate HQ for Circuit City
<Tonymac32> ah, Circuit City
<Tonymac32> I liked that place
<lanefu> and managed like all the inventory
<lanefu> and my manager ordered color laser tonor
<lanefu> toner
<lanefu> but when calculating consumption and run rate, she did the sum of all colors
<Tonymac32> ...and bankrupted the company
<ArmbianHelper> .and bankrupted the company [en~>eng]
<lanefu> and thats how you end up with a 280 day supply of color toner at like $30k in value
<Tonymac32> sheeeeeeesh
<lanefu> they were so desinted to fail
<DigitalMan1983_> uh oh
<lanefu> they had 40 different store floorplans
<Tonymac32> wow
<TRS-80> wow indeed
<Tonymac32> have you ever been in an advance auto parts? I think there are 2 floor plans
<lanefu> also onetime i got an awkward fax that was meant for like the executives where they were selling their corporate jet
<Tonymac32> store and hub store
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> Tonymac32: there's some slight edgecases when the store is inside like a strip mall or other exisitng building instead of standalone
<lanefu> but yeah generally they're consistent
<mike64> nekomancer[m], I did but did not understand where the important part was until now when I needed it....thank you
<lanefu> lol my buddy is putting together his helios64.. showed me a pic.. literally like 50 screws
<lanefu> probably worthy of a skookum
<nekomancer[m]> skookum — what is it?
<Tonymac32> good question. Lanefu?
* TRS-80 was looking at assembly instructions recently, even though I haven't ordered one yet
<TRS-80> > not watching AVE
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<lanefu> yeah this is gonna be like the weirdest birds adn bees talk ever
<[TheBug]> ROFL
<Tonymac32> Arduino v Evil, firstly
<[TheBug]> I enetered this conversation at exactly the wrong time I feel :D
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: once upon a time there a brilliant man. He was messing with arduinos and made a youtube channel
<nekomancer[m]> aha.
<lanefu> but the truth was. he wasnt an electrical engineer. he was a mechanical engineer. He had a Canadian speech impediment, and he was forced to work in the mines all accross teh world
<nekomancer[m]> as a jail?
<lanefu> it turned him salty like a pirate, but he remained sharp as a fox... and continued to make youtube. and say nonsense words like Skookum to mean overbuilt or sturdy
<Tonymac32> (being canadian *is* a speech impediment if Youtube is to be believed)
<Tonymac32> nekomancer ROFL not Siberia
<Tonymac32> see: The Trailer Park Boys, 1PugLife, etc for references to Canadian dialect
<lanefu> yay gunfire
* nekomancer[m] visit syberia 3 times (Tiymen, Yekaterinburg, Omsk to be clear). not a bad place for living.
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]:nope not jail, he just worked on big industrial stuff for mining operations all over the world
<Tonymac32> AvE Swears like a Scottish pirate
<nekomancer[m]> ahaa!! :)
<Tonymac32> you never went to Norilsk?
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]:anyway look him up on youtube.... he's brilliant and blabbers nonsense constantly
<nekomancer[m]> no, newer visit Norilsk :)
<Tonymac32> native english speakers can't understand him 1/3 of the time so
<nekomancer[m]> :)
<lanefu> Crashing. Adios
<Tonymac32> later on
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<TRS-80> gn man thanks again
<Tonymac32> wathcing the dist-upgrade wondering if his machine will ever come back XD
<TRS-80> who me?
<Tonymac32> me lol
<TRS-80> never dist-upgrade lol
<Tonymac32> my build machine is bionic, which the management just EOL'd so I have to go to Focal
<TRS-80> well ok
<Tonymac32> it runs armbian images, BOINC, and a minecraft server
<Tonymac32> not exactly mission critical
<TRS-80> > Minecraft server
<TRS-80> > not mission critical
<Tonymac32> well I backed it up so my kids dont go on the warpath
<TRS-80> we run Minetest here :)
* Tonymac32 can't wait to see my son's reaction when he wakes up in an obsidian jail cell
<TRS-80> lol
<TRS-80> admin abuse
<Tonymac32> :D
<TRS-80> how old are yours?
<Tonymac32> he keeps blowing stuff up and not fixing it
<Tonymac32> 6 and 8
<TRS-80> should maybe get them together
<TRS-80> ok maybe not lol
<Tonymac32> hahahaa
<TRS-80> ours is 12, but he refers to other kids as "the children"
<TRS-80> you should see him having coffee in the morning like a little 50 yr old
<Tonymac32> my son has allt he same eye contact/communication issues I have, home schooling has been amazingly beneficial
<Tonymac32> and ROFL
<TRS-80> yes you can show him the way
<Tonymac32> All I know is I'm this grumpy in my 30's I can't imagine what my 50+'s are going to look like
<Tonymac32> damn kids
<TRS-80> get off my lawn uphill both ways snow
<Tonymac32> "back in my day the cars had a shifter"
<Tonymac32> I'll still have an ICE until they're literally illegal
<Tonymac32> and I'm an electrical engineer
<Tonymac32> *something something* LEARN WHAT MINING LOOKS LIKE *something something*
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<ArmbianTwitter> @VeryMetalDev (Henri VeryMetalDev ⌨️🖥️👨‍🔧🖋️✏️😷): @kfalconspb Oh you're installing a new Mac OS, my next OS installing trip is going to be Odroid C4 with Armbian. 🐧 https://t.co/DZPFIfrDbT (15s ago)
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<Werner> Good morning
<TRS-80> Good morning!
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: IT VEEERRRKS
<TRS-80> > Welcome to Armbian 20.11.0-trunk Buster with Linux 5.9.7-sunxi
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<ArmbianTwitter> @maligorneleo (Léo Maligorne): @kobol_io Hey ! Any news to communicate about a Armbian stable version ? (13s ago)
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<Heisath> lanefu, did you have any luck with RockPi-E and HDMI? Iirc, you ordered a cable to test it.
<IgorPec> good morning
<IgorPec> heisath: i attached hdmi and works oob
<Heisath> ok than I have to check my connection.
<Heisath> Any restriction regarding resolution?
<IgorPec> but screen is black until login screen
<IgorPec> i attached FHD
<Heisath> yeah I will try again. Another note, I had no luck getting mvebu to 5.9. So this will happen somewhere between this and the next release.
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<Werner> Release might be shifted a bit anyways
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<Heisath> Yeah but I don't want to rush just because 5.8 is eol.
<Heisath> The guys from kobol have no time atm for helios4 so it is a bit slower.
<Heisath> Igor you also have a clearfogpro around, right?
<IgorPec> yes i do
<IgorPec> i would say we rebuild images with kernel from repository
<IgorPec> postponing relese into december is last option
<Heisath> I'd also just stay at the last 5.8 kernel for the time. We can easily to bugfix update if 5.9 is stable
<IgorPec> i assume rockchip and meson can be provided with 5.9.y, right?
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<Heisath> Oh btw. the testing board nearly reached be. It got into my street but Hijax put wrong address on it, so it is now going back to him...
<IgorPec> hehe
<IgorPec> omg
<Werner> lol
<Heisath> Yeah i'm in house no. 14, he only put 1 on the label :p
<IgorPec> i got similar problem once - i wrote everything correct but forgot to add door number. it came back :)
<Heisath> To switch to the current trunk build I have to armbian-config -> nightly, correct?
<IgorPec> yes
<IgorPec> i am just updating todays build
<IgorPec> in 3, 2, 1
<IgorPec> just a little more
<Heisath> got it.
<IgorPec> done
<Heisath> Trying to do mvebu lk5.9 I get this: "arch/arm/vfp/vfphw.o: in function `vfp_support_entry':
<Heisath> (.text+0xa): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_THM_JUMP19 against symbol `vfp_kmode_exception' defined in .text.unlikely section in arch/arm/vfp/vfpmodule.o"
<IgorPec> at modele linking stage?
<Heisath> yep.
<IgorPec> some module is broken i guess
<Heisath> Not sure which one though. Theres not much else in the log
<IgorPec> perhaps?:)
<Heisath> I think it is in regard to rtl8723
<Heisath> the last few lines of compilation.log right before VFP error it is expanding do_div in rtl8723du
<IgorPec> then just disable it. this driver is anyway staging and we don't need it here
<Heisath> yeah on my way
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<Heisath> Seems like it got nothing to do with the wifi stuff, 'just' a problem with VFP. Although there wasn't much change the last months
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): Raised 64%! Added 256Gb of ECC memory. https://t.co/8dfANZpzqJ (19s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): Interesting way to show you how the foundation and spending are going #armbian new server https://t.co/bYgqb4DqTs (23s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @kobol_io (Kobol Innovations): @maligorneleo You can upgrade to latest Armbian version 20.08.21 (23s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @Poddingue (Bruno Verachten 🍰): @armbian Woohoo, keep the money coming ! (13s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @NicolasDorier (Nicolas Dorier): @kryptokidz_ @dglab_official @MaxwellSikorski @BtcpayServer you can DIY. Beside the case, the components are https://t.co/vY6JSOGfcZ and image https://t.co/aiT8KzaAyW (23s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @sahajsarup (Sahaj Sarup @ home): @armbian Cool now use 128gb as ramfs 😂 (6s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @sahajsarup @armbian Even more most likely for building all the kernel packages to get the whole cache directory into it. (27s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @sahajsarup (Sahaj Sarup @ home): @DieZuckerbude @armbian Yeah, a big ramfs for ccache (6s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @sahajsarup @DieZuckerbude We build 500+ images per release and with 256Gb we still won't be able to build them all at once 🙃 but process will be much faster ... Currently, with 128Gb, we can build and pack around 100 images in parallel. (10s ago)
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<miechu> yellow all
<miechu> qq: formatted SD card, though my 'amazing' device doesn't want to boot off of it (doesn't even seem that it is reading the sd card), any suggestions?
<miechu> sd card is HC, 5mb write speed so should suffice, multitool image flashed using etcher
<ArmbianTwitter> @sahajsarup (Sahaj Sarup @ home): @armbian @DieZuckerbude Do you have load balancing script or just manually set up number of builds, asking for a friend. (11s ago)
<lanefu> Heisath: turned out my rockpi e was a rockpi S
<Heisath> ah ok
<Heisath> but Igor says his was working oob so I'll test again
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @sahajsarup @DieZuckerbude We just limit maximum number of concurrent builds via rule of thumb method ;) When one is finished, new can start. (14s ago)
<lanefu> miechu: try different sdcard adn power supply... historiaclly it's the biggest factor in boards not starting https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Basic-Troubleshooting/#hardware-troubleshooting-guide
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<miechu> apologies, my system crashed before I had a chance to read any replies if there were any...
<IgorPec> which hardware?
<buZz> 15:32:50 <+lanefu> miechu: try different sdcard adn power supply... historiaclly it's the
<buZz> biggest factor in boards not starting
<miechu> buZz the board is starting, it's just booting into Android TV
<IgorPec> android tv boxes are not supported
<buZz> ah its booting fine
<miechu> it just doesn't want to boot off of SD card for some reason
<buZz> nothing wrong, next problem
<buZz> miechu: they arent x86 computers, they dont magically just boot of a SD card
<miechu> buZz humm, how to force it then?
<buZz> miechu: by learning wtf bootloader your device is using
<IgorPec> and you have no sources, no schematics, etc
<IgorPec> its a paintfull work to get them operational and only guessing which is huhe waste of time
<buZz> better get a real computer
<miechu> IgorPec I've got the name and the motherboard, the name is "MXQ PRO 4k" and the MO is S905W
<lanefu> miechu: we can help recommend a supported SBC if you like tho :)
<lanefu> but yeah basically TV boxes are all hack jobs to get them working.. some people make some jail break thigns for the bootloaders so you can wipe the emmc and hten it'll boot frmo sdcard
<buZz> miechu: oh cool!
<buZz> miechu: thats indeed not supported
<buZz> :)
<miechu> buZz hahahaha, that first line... got my hopes up :D
<buZz> :)
<stipa> hope is what keeps us going
* lanefu hopes to never touch a tvbox again
<miechu> hmmm, wait a sec.. this is the device: https://www.armbian.com/rk322x-tv-box/
<buZz> note how it says ' no official support '
<miechu> *official*
<miechu> :D
<c0rnelius> ur better of using it as a tv box and checking to see if CoreELEC supports it.
<c0rnelius> off*
<IgorPec> nobody is supporting it
<IgorPec> miechu: i think there is support topic on the forum
<IgorPec> that is the best
<miechu> IgorPec thanks, c0rnelius thanks also, I'll have a look. what I wanted to achieve is to have a really low power, file/http server that could do something basic
<IgorPec> yeah, any arm sbc can do exactly that
<rneese> have you looked at the nanopi neo boards for that
<IgorPec> just some are supported, some are not
<rneese> if in the us look at andahammer.com
<IgorPec> and they are not supported because it is EXPENSIVE to provide any help
<IgorPec> in term of time and "reasnobility"
<rneese> ok running out bbl
<stipa> miechu: right, some ship with enclosure so things can be tidy if you want
<c0rnelius> i see a MXQ 4K pro in the list of devices there. There is also a random S905W... worth a look see.
<miechu> IgorPec, yeah, that makes sense... but you know it's the box that sits there and the thoughts just come in - "how can I use that?" because the whole Android tv experience is just horrible
<IgorPec> miechu: you don't have scheamtics for this "nice" box
<miechu> stipa not in the US, but thanks, will see if we've got something in EU
<IgorPec> so no linux for you
<IgorPec> anything you get is pure luck / hacked together
<miechu> haha, gotcha
<stipa> miechu: just do a good research if everything works before you purchase
<miechu> stipa thanks or maybe I'll go for some really used post-leasing device ;)
<miechu> should be same price
<stipa> it's a planning if you want linux on, even same devices have different chips in different versions
<stipa> so it can screw your vision
<stipa> your plan*
<IgorPec> miechu: whenever you will go for a close device, your best support are hackers
<IgorPec> and only
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<rneese> IgorPec, see pm
<Tonymac32> dist upgrade to Focal succeeded
<IgorPec> even ubuntu improved :)
<IgorPec> tonymac32: what do you say we upgrade Rockhip / Tinkerboard to 5.9.y ... there are two disabled patches which i don't know if we still need them
<Tonymac32> I can check it later today
<IgorPec> alright
<IgorPec> its probably safe upgrade
<Tonymac32> I would guess so, but we love surprises
<Tonymac32> Is Dev set up or is it a PR only?
<Tonymac32> no worries, I'll check it out
<IgorPec> its PR only
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<Tonymac32> Oh, I played Minetest on my Renegade Elite last night to see how it would out of the box
<Tonymac32> not bad
<Tonymac32> some texturing issues now and then and the FPS was a bit low ;)
<IgorPec> this will improve slowly
<Tonymac32> honestly I was impressed
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<IgorPec> "yeah, this year is the year of linux desktop"
<IgorPec> :)
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<TRS-80> Good morning
<stipa> Good evening
<TRS-80> :)
<TRS-80> I am reading https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Advanced-Features/#how-to-unbrick-the-system and the first paragraph states "With this procedure you will reinstall the u-boot, kernel and hardware settings." However, the list of (4) packages provided shortly thereafter does not actually appear to contain the u-boot? Out of those 4 packages, I understand kernel, dtb, and firmware, but what is
<TRS-80> 'root'? Further, looking in https://apt.armbian.com/pool/main/l/ I see a lot of linux-u-boot-* packages.
<c0rnelius> IgorPec: Hey. Can the N2/+ boot from USB directly?
<IgorPec> yes
<IgorPec> with help of bootloader on SPI
<IgorPec> but TBH i didn't even try :)
<c0rnelius> Alright that's what I thought. Thanx as always.
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<Tenkawa> IgorPec: followup to c0rnelius question on the usb boot (I was curious about it). Do you have any idea how its going to act if its a drive enclosure that would normally require a usb quirk in most linux kernel scenarios?
<IgorPec> if petit boot chainloads uboot from USB its not a problem
<Tenkawa> ok good
<Tenkawa> I'll have to figure out how to test this
<IgorPec> if u-boot from SPI boots kernel directly, then you need to look where to add quirks
<IgorPec> i never did it so ... theoretical
<Tenkawa> yeah I saw the config entry area to update when I was in the interface one day
<Tenkawa> I really have been looking for a way to get rid of this chainloaded microsd method I'm using currently
<Tenkawa> it works but really tedious and error prone
<IgorPec> but chainload is better
<Tenkawa> oh?
<IgorPec> spi bootloader is not updated often
<Tenkawa> so you would recommend I just keep using this method
<IgorPec> and especially ... we already use 2020.07 boot loader
<IgorPec> for modern images
<IgorPec> yes
<Tenkawa> ok thanks for the info.
<IgorPec> ur welcome
<Tenkawa> I finally got a n2+ hooked up to a nvme via usb and it is really running like lightning :)
<IgorPec> also overclocked?
<Tenkawa> nah… no need
<IgorPec> it should easily go up to 2.4
<Tenkawa> I'm happy with default
<Tenkawa> cheers all
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<stipa> 4+ Gbps Ethernet on the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0PeuPINiQ
<IgorPec> limting factor is PCI 1x
<TRS-80> Really? Still? And even I thought they finally got their hardware act together (at least) on this latest release.
<TRS-80> no matter, they will still sell millions of them to muppets
<IgorPec> exactly
<IgorPec> v5 will have twice as fast PCI and so on :)
<c0rnelius> there is always a caveat.
<TRS-80> Eventually they might finally release something worth a crap (hardware wise). However it won't matter as it's all locked down Broadcom crap anyway.
<c0rnelius> and amlogic, rockchip and allwinner aren't locked down in some way?
<TRS-80> No where near like what RPi is, as far as I understand
<TRS-80> I mean, you essentially require their proprietary bootloader / rtos / video driver to boot up first and do anything. Amirite?
<c0rnelius> boot loader yes, for sure and then there is the userland which is not completely open sourced but they are making inroads with bcm2711 and making sure it gets merged into mainline.
<c0rnelius> of course this is probs to cut down on the heavy patching they already do in the foundation kernel and really isn't for our benefit. But.. whatever they likes monies.
<TRS-80> OK, because I was just about to ask... Who is "they"? Independent people like us doing reverse engineering? Or Broadcom themselves? Because Broadcom have long been extremely hostile towards F/LOSS.
<TRS-80> But what you said makes sense.
<TRS-80> Even their so called "open source video driver" they released a while back was total marketing BS. A useless stub that still requires loading a whole bunch of other proprietary stuff (as I understand). And yet the muppets eat it up.
<c0rnelius> its being merged into 5.10 or atleast the 80 patches I saw submitted is suggesting this
<TRS-80> What is?
<c0rnelius> that and with mesa 20.3-rc(whatever) gets you full screen vid playback at 720p & 1080p.
<c0rnelius> vc4 and v3d
<IgorPec> has nothing to do with playing video
<c0rnelius> my pi would suggest other wise :D
<TRS-80> Also, that has nothing to do with Broadcom. "mostly developed and funded by Intel and AMD"
<IgorPec> "pi" is for dummmies
<c0rnelius> not gonna argue there... just saying its being mainlined.
<IgorPec> yeah, but its nothing to do with video
<IgorPec> its 3d engine
<TRS-80> Oh here is a scrap (a little stub for others to do something with). Let's hail Broadcom as supporters of F/LOSS! It's all so tiresome...
<c0rnelius> but its does have to do with utilizing hardware
<c0rnelius> so without proper support whats the point?
<IgorPec> pi has propriatery video engine
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: Maybe you do not understand why, fundamentally, freedom is important? Particularly in software?
<c0rnelius> TRS-80: I don't give any shits about broadcom anymore than I care about the others.
<TRS-80> OK, maybe you don't. But many others (muppets, typically) think they are some bastion of open source. Oh the RPi is for education, etc. All this nonsense...
<c0rnelius> Personally I feel it should be all open and free for everyone much like I feel about everyone should be able to get the best education at no cost. Knowledge should be free in my opinion, period.
<c0rnelius> Greed is what keeps all on this rock
<TRS-80> And I agree with that. What I take exception to, is Broadcom (RPi foundation) marketing themselves as being for open source, education, etc. while in reality doing exactly the opposite.
<IgorPec> rpi is good for business and to keep people stupid
<IgorPec> right the oppossite
<TRS-80> I don't think the average person is greedy. Self interested, perhaps. But greed is the particular domain of sociopaths (who are over-represented in certain occupations, CEO, corporate execs being among thhose).
<c0rnelius> like I said yesterday and everyday, its a good learning tool for kids.
<TRS-80> OK maybe it is. But unless they are /giving/ those RPi to schools, they are not philanthropists. They are /selling/ them to shools. In the millions.
<c0rnelius> a lot less over than say a windows or mac lab
<c0rnelius> over head*
<TRS-80> OK I concede that point
<c0rnelius> thats what that silly 400 release was about
<TRS-80> However I would also argue that introducing children to proprietary, locked down systems (particularly under the guise of something you can "hack" on) is particularly harmful.
<c0rnelius> sure... but? you came around didn't you?
<c0rnelius> what was ur first computer experience?
<TRS-80> programming my namesage in about third grade
<TRS-80> s/namesage/namesake/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: programming my namesake in about third grade
<c0rnelius> on what locked down system?
<TRS-80> ^ neat :)
<TRS-80> I don't know the extent that TRS-80 was locked down or not, particulary at that age (and maybe that's your point).
<TRS-80> in fact I still don't know now
<TRS-80> Also, I don't follow you taking about "silly 400 release?"
<stipa> rpi is overtaking the market
<TRS-80> talking
<TRS-80> stipa: unfortunately
<stipa> it just
<stipa> what is happening
<stipa> they don't care for open source
<stipa> they just use it
<stipa> to sell stuff
<stipa> the concept of open source
* TRS-80 goes looking for his AGPL pasta
<stipa> because they know it's popular
<c0rnelius> this in my opinion is being specifically marketing to schools Unless ur some die hard Pi fan why would anyone be interested?
<TRS-80> I remember those drug education videos when we were kids talking about drug dealers giving free drugs to kids. Now, I never actually saw that growing up. But we do have Broadcom, Apple, Microsoft, etc. instead... :D
<TRS-80> Thank you stipa, you put it better than I did perhaps. Riding on the current popularity of open source, to make lots of sales. Whilst being actually quite hostile to it in reality.
<c0rnelius> You must have went to shit school :D
<c0rnelius> we had all the best stuff
<TRS-80> I wouldn't call a school where drugs were not seen a shit one. Rather the opposite.
<TRS-80> Particularly at elementary and middle school levels.
<stipa> TRS-80: it always happens, someone creates something big from heart and greedy crap overtakes it.
<c0rnelius> all depends on ur outlook and what drugs ur referring too.
<c0rnelius> but yes. drugs are bad, kids! stay away and get back on social media.
<rneese> Social Media = crack
<rneese> ban social media
<c0rnelius> sick shit isn't it
<rneese> down with Fb/Twiter
<stipa> spcoal media is just new TV
<rneese> ban them
<Redfoxmoon> agree
<stipa> social*
<stipa> interactive
<stipa> Interactive TV's
<TRS-80> Even though I choose not to partake personally, I find it quite telling that a naturally growing plant is on the highest federal schedule of illegal drugs, meanwhile synthetic opiods are perfectly fine (as long as prescribed by your doctor). lol
<rneese> we need to get back to face to cface interacction
<rneese> social media is destroying familys
<rneese> andgaming needs to be limited to no more then 2 hr a day if under 18
<TRS-80> And you guys are spot on about the screen crack. The mind control they achieved through televison pales in comparison to what they have achieved now through smartphones, social media, etc.
<rneese> parent stop letting tablets/phones babysit and raise your kids
<TRS-80> ^ this
<TRS-80> We make a point to sit down together every night as a family and have dinner together. With no devices, TV, etc. on in the background. Just good old fashioned face to face interaction.
<TRS-80> But it's depressin when eating out (we do rarely) seeing families all sitting together eating (usually more fast food type places) but they are all on their own phones. While sitting right across from one another. It's bizarre.
<rneese> tyeah People need to eat out less. save money
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<rneese> eat healthier at home
<rneese> yeah they eat like its their last meal and dont talk
<rneese> bbiab things to do
<TRS-80> lol
<c0rnelius> within some cultures throughout history they used to dose their children with psychedelics in order for them to reach a particular state of manhood.
<c0rnelius> And depending on that culture it still goes on to this day.
<stipa> drugs are poison
<c0rnelius> It's strictly done to give them perspective
<stipa> it simple
<stipa> the body is telling you that you don't eat it or drink it again.
<stipa> if you listen to someone that tells you that it's fine you just rot inside
<c0rnelius> my point is who are you or anyone to say what is good for person A or person B?
<c0rnelius> Sure something cultures so we can look at from the outside and say yes! that horrible... But we are viewing it as an outside observer.
<c0rnelius> somethings cultures do*
<stipa> the only one who has some benfit from drugs are those selling it.
<c0rnelius> thats really a matter of opinion.
<stipa> incoporating it in the culture is a big profit
<stipa> or ideology
<stipa> but
<stipa> by the fact
<stipa> it's poison
<c0rnelius> the world around is poisoning you for profit
<c0rnelius> do u own a car?
<stipa> no
<stipa> why?
<stipa> let's say I do.
<c0rnelius> well what do you think its takes to not only manufacture that beast but to also run it and what they are doing to "the planet" for ur convenience?
<c0rnelius> nyway
<stipa> Do you care?
<stipa> People usually play dumb when that's the topic for some unknown reason :D
<stipa> Simply
<stipa> put
<stipa> if there would be ethics in car industry
<TRS-80> Anyone can halp me? Here is where I am at now (mainly confused about downloading u-boot, as I do not see it in this list and I think I need it): https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15912-tried-upgrading-from-slightly-older-41962-kernel-on-cubietruck-now-wont-boot/?do=findComment&comment=112563
<stipa> cars would cost 10 times more.
<c0rnelius> stipa: of course I care. I wouldn't bring it up if I didn't. Does it matter to the masses? No. Anyway, this is Armbian and not really a place for philosophical conversation and the inner working of the human condition at large.
<stipa> It could fit in the "User expirience"
<TRS-80> you guys could create armbian-offtopic :)
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<TRS-80> Docs state to do `fsck /dev/sdX -f` however I see no -f option in man fsck, on host x86 here nor in Armbian?
<stipa> if ops don't mind if there is offtopic chat there's no need for it TRS-80
<stipa> tray to ask your question in #armbian-devel
<TRS-80> We don't mind, which is why I didn't say anything, and you guys sorted yourselves out. I was just saying, if you two want to continue down that rabbit hole...
<TRS-80> Also my questions are support, not devel related. Also, there are more people in here.
<stipa> but devs know that stuff
<TRS-80> But that is not the point of channels.
<c0rnelius> To me it's just two different viewpoints and I really try not to judge. and going down a silly rabbit hole over something that we're not going to agree on at the end of the day seems kind of pointless.
<TRS-80> As a neutral observer, I think you guys were kind of talking past each other. But that's what happens when it departs from being a dispassionate discussion.
<stipa> it's an intellectual argument
<stipa> that's how it works
<stipa> engineers don't use it much but scientists do
<Redfoxmoon> is board-specific questions on-topic?:-)
<TRS-80> I disagree that things need to be heated. In fact I think that is counter-productive. However that is the example set in the popular media. Now, why do you suspect that is? ;)
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: green light
<TRS-80> ;)
<Redfoxmoon> I have a nanopi-r2s here that I can't quite figure out
<Redfoxmoon> Is the serial port supposed to be dead until an OS is loaded and optionally starts using it?
<TRS-80> I don't think so
<c0rnelius> Its not like this is politics and I'm by no means heated, that's for sure.
<c0rnelius> Just where is it going? no where.
<Redfoxmoon> It does boot if I write an armbian image to an sd card and plop it in, but the serial port remains completely dead
<TRS-80> You sure you have it hooked up correctly? Do not hook up power.
<TRS-80> And needs to be 3.3v IIRC
<Redfoxmoon> It doesn't have a VCC pin exposed, only TX, RX, and GND
<Redfoxmoon> yes:-)
<TRS-80> Rate?
<TRS-80> baudratre?
<Redfoxmoon> according to friendlyarm it has a strange baudrate of 150000(?)
<TRS-80> you get giberish or nothing?
<TRS-80> yes put that in
<Redfoxmoon> I've tried all the usual ones too, *absolutely nothing*
<TRS-80> I like screen, I find it simplest
<TRS-80> you sure you have the correct device?
<Redfoxmoon> er, actually, with one ttl dongle I got squares written back when I tried typing stuff in
<Redfoxmoon> as if tx and rx were tied together on the dongle side
<c0rnelius> rk3328, always fun stuff.
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: you do know that you need t ocross rx and tx?
<TRS-80> to cross
<Redfoxmoon> of course
<TRS-80> ok
<Redfoxmoon> not my first little board:-)
<TRS-80> I mean it should "just work" so we diagnosing here
<Redfoxmoon> yes, right
<TRS-80> starting with obvious things
<TRS-80> you sure correct device?
<stipa> c0rnelius: TRS-80 To be honest I don't care either, if something has to be sold t osomeone you have to know his mindset, be it drug addict or a saint.
<Redfoxmoon> what do you mean by correct device?
<Redfoxmoon> as in on the host? yes
<TRS-80> stipa: c0rnelius: Well clearly you guys do care, and that's OK. Mostly I see misunderstanding between you too, and the cure for that is more talking, not less.
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: yes exactly
<c0rnelius> I don't :D
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: I mean, check your own assumptions. Especially if you are experienced. Simple things can often be the problem.
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: suit yourself
<Redfoxmoon> yeah using windows, and there's only one serial device on this machine, ever
<c0rnelius> tend too
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: I think we found the problem! :D
<Redfoxmoon> I've gone over all the obvious problems already
<c0rnelius> its like a relationship. You need to pick ur battles ;)
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: Yeah I am not sure what else to check then.
<c0rnelius> and when it comes to perspective and perception everyone is different.
<Redfoxmoon> right, gonna list it for sale and get something else like a rock64
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: You check forums for particulars of that device? I am not familiar with it. But every device may have it's little known niggles.
<c0rnelius> Redfoxmoon: could just try and make it work?
<TRS-80> Alsom how nice of you to dump off something that doesn't work onto someone else. /smh
<Redfoxmoon> I spent the entirety of yesterday trying just about everything I could think of:-)
<Redfoxmoon> It boots
<stipa> try another power supply
<stipa> or phone charger
<TRS-80> So why need serial? Just curious?
<Redfoxmoon> yep, got an 2 amp phone charger, and I have had it boot into armbian already
<Redfoxmoon> absolutely nothing wrong with it, other than the fact the serial console doesn't work
<c0rnelius> Redfoxmoon: can you ssh in?
<TRS-80> I mean, you should have serial, just in case... but yeah
<Redfoxmoon> yes
<TRS-80> that's weird
<Werner> phone chargers are not necessary designed to power SBCs due to alternating load
<c0rnelius> yeah was gonna say... use a real power supply.
<Redfoxmoon> would've seen a crash then no?
<Redfoxmoon> like the raspberry pi (1)
<TRS-80> who knows, that's the point
<TRS-80> esp at boot when power inrush
<TRS-80> Am I the only one that powers my $80 SBC with a $25 Mean Well power supply? :D
<Redfoxmoon> could be an incompatibility with my ttl dongles too
<TRS-80> s/SBC/SBCs/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: Am I the only one that powers my $80 SBCs with a $25 Mean Well power supply? :D
<Redfoxmoon> the TP-Link C50v2 is funny in that regard
<Redfoxmoon> *random*
<TRS-80> yeah I have a couple dirrerent ones here, maybe swap if you can
<Redfoxmoon> that device will actually crash if you connect a ttl dongle it doesn't like
<Redfoxmoon> hilarious.
<Redfoxmoon> tru, need to buy a good quality dongle
<Redfoxmoon> then again, the quality of the nanopi r2s seems to be a bit dubious, at least according to the person who added upstream openwrt support, something about mac addresses
<TRS-80> I don't know what a "good quality" anything even means any more nowadays. I mean, you can spend a lot of money, and get the same cheap crap from China, marked up by one or more middle men. Or you can go straight to Ali or Gearbest or whatever and get the same thing for a couple bucks.
<c0rnelius> I know tux over at #devuan-arm has been working on a build for that board. I don't believe he is currently online, but he may have a bit of insight on it. You know before you decide to put it up for sale.
<Redfoxmoon> well good quality as in not using a clone chip
<Redfoxmoon> c0rnelius, oooo sounds interesting
<c0rnelius> its all debian related, which is why I'm bringing it up.
<TRS-80> I probably use them and they are fine
<Redfoxmoon> well until you plug them into a windows computer and magic smoke comes out
<Redfoxmoon> :D
<TRS-80> avoiding licensing does not necessarily have anything to do with quality
<Redfoxmoon> figuratively
<TRS-80> often it does, but not necessarily
<Redfoxmoon> true, but when it comes to clones I've had 50/50 luck
<TRS-80> I guess I had good luck
<Redfoxmoon> only exception is the CH341(?) spi flasher
<Redfoxmoon> excluding the fact it uses 5v when it says it's 3.3v
<TRS-80> yikes
<Redfoxmoon> exciting!
<TRS-80> I was reading some guide the other day said to check the power. I never did before, but I think I will start.
<Redfoxmoon> easily fixable by lifting the power pin of the chip off the board and connecting it to 3.3 volts iirc
<TRS-80> the ones I have have a switch. But I never actually verified it.
<Redfoxmoon> most exciting part is I used that shoddy thing to flash a thinkpad x230 with coreboot
<Redfoxmoon> 300-400 dollar laptop attached to 2 dollar cheap chinese crap, very exciting.
<TRS-80> Are you me? That's also why I bought mine initially.
<TRS-80> But t60, I don't have you kinda money. :D
<Redfoxmoon> I think I have a T60
<Redfoxmoon> I have a few thinkpads, two X230 in pretty pristine condition
<TRS-80> I don't like the little ones. Even though swiftgeek tells me the hardware is a lot better. I'm a big guy (4u).
<Redfoxmoon> I paid nothing for all of them
<TRS-80> oh nice
<Redfoxmoon> trash picked from ex-work place
<TRS-80> oh wow
<TRS-80> score
<Redfoxmoon> I had this colleague who refused to toss anything usable
<Redfoxmoon> he retired last summer and went "take it all else it ends up in the garbage!"
<TRS-80> You caught a hoarder in transition, lucky
<Redfoxmoon> I also have a HP 9000 D220 sitting here.
<Redfoxmoon> (yes)
<TRS-80> time and place... lol
<Redfoxmoon> tru, it makes for a nice 60 kg coffee table
<Redfoxmoon> s/60/70/
<ArmbianHelper> Redfoxmoon meant to say: tru, it makes for a nice 70 kg coffee table
<TRS-80> what is that some big flat server?
<Redfoxmoon> It's a tower from 1997
* TRS-80 can't be arsed to copypaste into search
<Redfoxmoon> HPPA machine running HPUX
<TRS-80> interesting
<stipa> 4 cpu's ?
<Redfoxmoon> not sure what the spec details are
<Redfoxmoon> I know it powers on, but I haven't had time (and energy) to reinstall HPUX and look around
<stipa> seeing some pics
* TRS-80 actually has rofi-in-elisp he wrote that takes system clipboard and primary as top 2 fields in search query dialog, but it's broken atm because cubietruck is down
<Redfoxmoon> :-)
<stipa> The Model D200 is a uniprocessor with a 75 MHz
<Redfoxmoon> think this one is around 100 MHz
<stipa> support for up to 512 MB
<stipa> of memory
<stipa> The Model D210 is similar, but it used a 100 MHz
<stipa> are you sure it's D200 ?
<Redfoxmoon> Mine's a D220
<Redfoxmoon> 132 or 160 MHz actually
* TRS-80 needs to eat something
<stipa> RISC
<Redfoxmoon> it used to be the most exotic piece of hardware I have, but I forget, recently got a DEC Multia (the alpha variant) too. :-)
<Redfoxmoon> which is right proper obscure-ium.
<stipa> nice, you're having fun
<Redfoxmoon> the root package looks like it might be just enough userspace files to get a known working environment again(?)
<Redfoxmoon> don't quote me on it though
<TRS-80> Redfoxmoon: Well thanks man, it's the only response I got so far. :)
<Redfoxmoon> :-)
<TRS-80> maybe I should query dpkg / apt from Armbian for some sort description... (now that I think about it)
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<rneese> root = /
<rneese> / is the roo partition of the build but we name it root in the file when its generated
<rneese> roo/root
<TRS-80> rneese: OK, so that package is the root filesystem then?
<rneese> yes
<TRS-80> thanks
<TRS-80> So, in other words, I am correct in that none of those 4 packages will actually re-flash the u-boot?
<rneese> wait
<rneese> ok if your updating will see a kernel ppkg a uboot pkg
<rneese> it does not reflash your uboot it updates it
<rneese> over the existing one just like any pkg
<TRS-80> What do you mean by updating? What armbian-config does?
<TRS-80> or just package update?
<rneese> to update yo dont need armbian config
<rneese> you do apt update && apt upgrade -y
<rneese> then it will update your system with the latest avaible pkgs for your system /os
<rneese> cubie just boots from sd so why noe flash a new sd and boot
<TRS-80> Summary: I was coming from really old Jessie or something and my kernel never got updated. I try to do armbian-config and change kernel, now I can't boot.
<rneese> and rebuild up
<TRS-80> Can confirm that it boots with fresh image on other sd card.
<rneese> wait your updating from jessie to what
<rneese> did you do a dist-upgrade
<rneese> you have alot moore to do when updating via dist upgerade
<TRS-80> Yes I did. I'm sorry, let me back up. Prior to all of this I did that. I was on Buster.
<rneese> ok
<TRS-80> And it was working fine. But somehow the kernel never got updated. I was on 4.something.
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<rneese> and if you did a apt update did it say pkgs where being held back
<rneese> apt update && apt upgrade should say if any pkgs are being held back
<rneese> if they are held back there is a reaason
<TRS-80> I can't swear to it, but I don't think so. I think the problem was because I was on old naming scheme? And maybe did not upgrade for a long period of time before, and thus perhaps missed some intermediate upgrade in the meantime.
<rneese> well until you check propperly then its just best to start new
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<rneese> unless you have a img to go back and check with
<Tony_mac32> rneese I think he needs to surgically replace his u-boot
<rneese> there is alot to proper trouble shooting you guys dont do now days
<rneese> well if the pkg was helld back he can
<rneese> but if it no longer boots then its alot more work
<Tony_mac32> some dd
<TRS-80> Maybe so, but there is a lot of config on that old sdcard that I would rather not have to re-do if at all possible. My view now changed from pets to cattle, but this box has been a pet until now, if you get my drift.
<rneese> you can mount the card and get the config files
<TRS-80> true I suppose
<rneese> you have not lost the coonifgs
<TRS-80> byr still, more work
<TRS-80> I dunno, maybe you are right
<stipa> copy the card to NAS
<TRS-80> stipa: this box /was/ the NAS :D
<stipa> bummer
<rneese> what software you using for nas
<TRS-80> I can't even load my OS right now (Emacs), I'm almost lost without it XD
<TRS-80> rneese: just a plain NFS mount
<rneese> wow okk
<TRS-80> I mean, I guess I could move the disks...
<rneese> not done that in a long time
<mike64> Well I'm back with errs and logs from trynign to apply the RT patch to armbian for my Orange Pi. I am using Docker (and the little knowledge of it I gave gleaned )
<rneese> yes iinstall OMV or open nas
<TRS-80> file sharing is one of the most basic and straightfoward functions of a "server" IMO, no need for anything more complex than that
<mike64> My patching.log throws these errors: Processing file /root/armbian/userpatches/kernel/sunxi-current/rt-preempt-5.9.1-rt20.patch
<mike64> 17 out of 17 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file fs/io-wq.c.rej
<mike64> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch.
<mike64> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file fs/exec.c.rej
<mike64> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch.
<mike64> 2 out of 33 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file include/linux/seqlock.h.rej
<mike64> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch.
<mike64> 5 out of 5 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file init/Kconfig.rej
<mike64> 1 out of 6 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file kernel/fork.c.rej
<rneese> permissions mount poiints sharing
<TRS-80> rneese: right
<TRS-80> I know
<rneese> poomike64 dont spam channle
<rneese> mike use pastebin and then post the link
<mike64> sorry
<rneese> openmediavault is a great nas software that makes admining alot easier
<rneese> imho
<rneese> but you can easly recover the configs
<rneese> just put the sd in a linux machine and mount the partition
<rneese> and pull the files off
<rneese> and start with a fresh install and rebuild
<rneese> hone your skills
<rneese> it sill make the install cleaner and once your doone you will have a better point of view
<rneese> imho
<stipa> TRS-80: or if you have a card reader you can plug it in the nas and retrieve configs...
<stipa> after the fresh install
<mike64> Here is the pastebin of what I think are relevent errors https://pastebin.com/mQaNTsHq
<stipa> if you have two cards
<stipa> i mean one spare
<TRS-80> Maybe you are right. But there are some services and things I would really like to get back up and running on this box ASAP. After that is done, pretty sure I convinced myself to move more in a cattle vs pet configuration like Docker swarm or somesuch. But that will take time to implement also, and in meantime I have services that are down (including NAS, XMPP server, git repos, etc.) that I
<TRS-80> need to get back up ASAP.
<mike64> I think there might be something related to crosscompiling armbian on an x86 system, running docker. But this is my first time tryning to do this so my head is spinnig.
<stipa> TRS-80: it looks daunting but amybe it's the fastest way
<TRS-80> stipa: you know, I been thinking about it
<stipa> if my stuff crashes i just flash new image and copy what i need when i need it to a new system.
<stipa> froma na "old" card
<stipa> from an*
<TRS-80> OK, latest update to the saga (including fsck results, which I am not sure how to interpret): https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15912-tried-upgrading-from-slightly-older-41962-kernel-on-cubietruck-now-wont-boot/?do=findComment&comment=112570
<stipa> mike64: try with virtual box
<mike64> stipa: I was able to build it without trynig to add the patch and making config changes. With that in mind would you make the same recommendation (I'm not entirely convinced they are connected I just don't know enough either way)
<stipa> do you have enough disk space?
<stipa> df -h
<stipa> inside of the docker
<stipa> in ubuntu inside of the docker*
<mike64> I made it use space on my home rather than on /var because I had that problem the first time. I can succefully build the kernel makeing no changes. I can successfully build the kernel changing CONFIG_HZ to 1000. But I cannot build when applying the rt patch. That is what is failing.
<stipa> is it supported for your board, the "rt patch" ?
<stipa> opi 1 right?
<mike64> opi 2
<mike64> I'm not sure that's what I'm trying to learn
<mike64> I've never really applied a patch to the kernel on my own before so I am already in uncharted territory
<stipa> it is
<stipa> it's not userland anymore
<stipa> userspace
<mike64> Though I think I will just install a VM I thought Docker would be eiser but it's just another layer between me and what I am tryng to do\
<stipa> VM is more user firendly
<stipa> Virtual Box i meant to say
<mike64> yeah I'm installing virtualbox now. thanks for that link.
<stipa> np
<TRS-80> mike64: Are you on Windows or GNU/Linux? If you prefer F/LOSS, kvm is available and very good. Virtualbox is proprietary software, owned by Oracle, which is why I do not recommend it.
<mike64> i'm on arch
<TRS-80> Do you care about freedom? :)
<mike64> sounds like kvm is the better choice then?
<stipa> more complex i guess
<stipa> haven't tried it yet
<stipa> if you have gui go with virtual box
<stipa> if cli only then kvm or docker
<TRS-80> It's actually not. There is even a GUI. Perhaps not as polished as Virtualbox, but I think such concerns are less important in the long run.
<stipa> try all
<TRS-80> Any powerful / complex software requires some investment to master. The more relevant question (IMO) is: do you want to invest that time into proprietary or F/LOSS software? The latter having a far less chance of arbitrarily limiting you, being yanked out from under you, etc. at some later point in time.
<TRS-80> I personally do not have time any more to re-learn things. Therefore I invest my valuable time strictly into F/LOSS software these days. Just my $0.02.
<stipa> I use windows and linux and macos
<stipa> Virtualbox is on all of them
<stipa> and i can
<stipa> move VM's from os to os
<mike64> I do the freedom choice even at the expencse of my sanity it seems like. I currently have 3 focusrites going firewire to give 24 channels of multi track recording in my studio. Though it can be tricky to find hardware that is actually "free compliant"
<TRS-80> As someone who cares deeply about Free Software, it's irrelevant to me what is available on proprietary OS. Other people's opinions may differ, of course.
<TRS-80> mike64: Right. But ultimately, the problems always come back to some obnoxious compnany who want to be special snowflakes and enforce their proprietary nonsense, usually at the sake of interoperability. I just think we need to point fingers and name names. :)
<stipa> all oses have weaknesses and strenghths
<TRS-80> stipa: True. But freedom is by far my most important criteria. All others pale in comparison. But that's just me.
<stipa> it's just needs
<stipa> if you don't need something else than linux there's no point searching elsewhere
<stipa> as you said a moment ago
<TRS-80> I would argue there are also principles involved. And in a world where computers are almost required (banking, government, commerce, etc.) I would say the implications of those principles are far reaching and therefore very important.
<TRS-80> Imagine if Tim Berners Lee took the typical short sighted, profit focussed approach. The www as we know it would not exist today. Rather we would have a number of disparate, proprietary, non-interconnecting protocols (which was sort fo the norm prior to that).
<TRS-80> s/protocols/networks/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: Imagine if Tim Berners Lee took the typical short sighted, profit focussed approach. The www as we know it would not exist today. Rather we would have a number of disparate, proprietary, non-interconnecting networks (which was sort fo the norm prior to that).
<stipa> TRS-80: it's not about not profiting it's about not beeing able to sell it to anyone.
<TRS-80> I am not sure I follow you?
<stipa> if you can't sell something you give it for free.
<stipa> it's popular because it's free
<stipa> freebie
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<stipa> only people profiting are telecoms
<stipa> what's best of all they run linux on infrastrucure which is free
<stipa> but internet is not free for some reason...
<stipa> "odd reason"
<stipa> but the software running it is
<stipa> there's no freedom
<stipa> it's just telecomunnication industry
<stipa> using free code
<stipa> to run the infrastructure
<TRS-80> But my point was about principles. Tim Berners Lee made a conscious, principled choice to create an open protocol and network. Because that was/is important for humanity. Everything is not always about such base things as greed, needs, etc (although I admit, often it is; but not always).
<TRS-80> There is a fundamental difference between physical things and software. Only the latter can be replicated essentially without cost. In your example of the Internet, there are wires to run, switches to maintain, etc. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of telcos (quite the contrary).
* archetech worked at Ameritech IT Dept
<TRS-80> I guess https://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_SD_card is the only resource on how to flash u-boot (nothing Armbian specific)?
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<stipa> archetech: do you have something to add from your expirience?
<buZz> TRS-80: that page isnt about 'flashing uboot'
<buZz> clearly
<TRS-80> buZz: Well, not directly (hence my trepidation). I was referring more to https://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_SD_card#SD_Card_Layout (then I would have to do dd directly to some address...).
<buZz> which isnt 'flashing' , as you can see
<TRS-80> What would you call it then?
<buZz> writing files to a SD ? i call that copyiing data
<TRS-80> As I am sure archetech may appreciate, oddly enough Unix was created to serve the unique needs of Bell Corporation (such a need to create more software all the time then there were developers) at least if you take this presentation at face value: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0 AT&T Archives: The UNIX Operating System
<TRS-80> warning: very high grand wizards per capita in that video :D
<buZz> no thanks
<TRS-80> s/very high/very high ratio of/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: warning: very high ratio of grand wizards per capita in that video :D
<TRS-80> buZz: Not sure what you are on about? That is one of the greatest videos of all time.
<buZz> i'm happy you like it
<TRS-80> best exposition I have seen of "Unix philosophy"
<buZz> did you copy your bootloader yet?
<TRS-80> No, why?
<archetech> tell me why they chose the terms root and daemon for admin and processes
<TRS-80> archetech: Given your background, I take it that you are quizzing me. :) I don't think I know the answer.
<archetech> anybody
<stipa> daemon is a like a mind deamon, a backgroud process of the Operating system non visible to the naked eye
<stipa> invisible entity
<archetech> buZz, you're right it is copying flashing is a term used for programmable roms
<stipa> invisible code
<archetech> but they still use it to mean copying
<buZz> idiots are everywhere
<archetech> yup
<TRS-80> archetech: I was going to say "I'm not sure how many people in this channel share our appreciation for the history of (particularly Unix) computing" but then I thought twice about it.
<TRS-80> buZz: Hey how about FUCK YOU
<buZz> nice, have at it
<buZz> are you bringing lube?
<TRS-80> fucking tough guy internet piss ant
<buZz> whats your issue
<buZz> you cant stand being corrected?
<stipa> corrected lol
<TRS-80> notice when I said something, and put it together you fucking stupid cunt
<buZz> you put what together?
<TRS-80> problem is not being correctet, problem is you calling people idiot when they make a simple mistake
<TRS-80> NOW FUCK OFF you fucking cunt
<rneese> well I just fixed my N2/N2+
<rneese> video issue
<buZz> lol , bad day? sorry for calling your mentioning of 'flashing' wrong, kiddo
<TRS-80> again that's not the problem
<buZz> i'm sorry it made you angry, but how about you just grow up and move on?
<buZz> the idiot tag wasnt about you at all
<rneese> so now documenting it and adding it to the desktop builder
<rneese> even video playback is better
<rneese> <=<=<= ID10T
<rneese> lol
<buZz> lol
<buZz> see, its about rneese
<buZz> :D
* TRS-80 reads back
<TRS-80> oO
<rneese> its a PEBKAC
<TRS-80> I dunno, seems as you were referring directly to me
<rneese> if you dont know PEBKAC you need go back to tech school
<stipa> he's passive agressive
<stipa> he's still doing it
<stipa> :D
<buZz> i was literally talking with archetech about idiots that use 'flashing' where they mean copying files, in documentation
<TRS-80> stipa: that's my read too, but I'm involved, hence seeking other opinions
<stipa> he's trying to escape now
<stipa> he's being discovered
<buZz> do you think archetech agreed with me in calling TRS-80 a idiot?
<buZz> lol wtf stipa
* stipa i'm not here
<buZz> suuure
* stipa is busy, no time...
<TRS-80> buZz: your very first comment to me, that opened this whole conversation, was: 17:54 <buZz> which isnt 'flashing' , as you can see
<TRS-80> buZz: Sorry, rather: 17:53:29 buZz | TRS-80: that page isnt about 'flashing uboot'
<buZz> ?
<buZz> yes, and?
<buZz> you linked to a SD copy tutorial and called it flashing
<TRS-80> Right, and I also used the (apparently incorrect) term "flashing", so how does that follow that you were not referring to me? To say nothing about the fact that you further try to admonish me for not being able to take a correction?
<rneese> anyone here playing with n2 ?
<buZz> are you now talking about me talking to archetech about idiots putting 'flashing' into documentation without meaning actual flashing?
<archetech> TRS ya got roped into that group yes
<buZz> TRS-80: do you always take this much effort in social interaction?
<archetech> by whats called induction
<TRS-80> I'm trying to determine if I misread something, abd reacted off base. But I don't think that is the case. And your trying to change the subject is not helping your case.
<archetech> I would say what I said the term is now dual used
<archetech> so falshing is still a valid term on arm for copying
<archetech> flashing*
<TRS-80> I assume no ill will on archetech part, because I know him and he participate in this channel frequently and helpfully. You (buZz), on the other hand...
<buZz> i'm happy you dont know me? you seem horrible
<archetech> because arm's roots are in programmable asci's and such
<archetech> asic's
<archetech> but also theres "idiots " who dont realize all that
<archetech> I dont think TRS is an idiot for using the term flashing
<buZz> neither did i
<buZz> but i'm no longer in possesion of that onlook
<archetech> right you meant tech writers
<buZz> i ment documentation writers
<buZz> as thats what we were discussing
<archetech> right
<buZz> but i dont think tandyradioshack is a idiot for the flashing
<archetech> we clear now TRS?
<buZz> its completely standing by itself
<rneese> ok sound off what boards you have and use
<rneese> <<<< Odroic N2+
<buZz> nanopi m1's a lot
<TRS-80> If I could +op I would have kick him already. But I sent PM to Ops, so it's only matter of time now.
<archetech> lol rneese yes you know I an a n2+ owner whats your point
<archetech> am
<rneese> I found a fix to make video work better
<rneese> on n2/n2+
<archetech> like vlc?
<rneese> and I am looking how to patch head with it
<rneese> yes and firefox/youtube
<rneese> its alot cleaner
<rneese> I dont have the buffering I had before I did this
<archetech> TRS your above defensive tirade says you lack the charater for being OP that's my opinion from how you do drive by immature comments to me and others
<rneese> I have it setup for desktop builder and I am working to put it in every desk top
<archetech> called me a ricer other day I didnt retaliate
<archetech> out of the blue whats up with that behavior
<rneese> what you drive a honda civic and do the Toyoko drift
<rneese> lol
<rneese> soorry perfect line
* rneese goes to kis corner
<TRS-80> archetech: Well I apologize if I offended you. Why didn't you say something at the time? I joke around a lot with people in here, especially regulars.
<rneese> kis/his
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* archetech is a Subaru ricer from way back thats why
<archetech> heh
* TRS-80 hit a little too close to home
<TRS-80> sorry, mate
<rneese> well back to desktop fixing
<archetech> apol accepted just try not to lose your composure over these silly terminology differences
<TRS-80> Sorry, but directly insulting someone (and continuing to do so) are not "silly terminology differences."
<rneese> <===Canadian-Hillbilly aka Canauk
<archetech> yes I see you felt like it ws an attack
<archetech> was
<buZz> we can all see that
<buZz> you just arent listening to reason
<TRS-80> I have had enough of this guy
<buZz> TRS-80: try /ignore *
<buZz> that'll help
<TRS-80> continuing to undermine and act in bad faith
<archetech> thick skin goes a long way in irc
<TRS-80> How about I do my Moderator job instead?
<stipa> lol
<buZz> how are you a moderator with only +v :P
<stipa> someone is angry
<archetech> this channel wil lose users so stay a cranky member like me heh
<buZz> i've been in this channel for more years than trs even has a nickserv account
<buZz> but sure, i'm the new one here :P
<archetech> buZz, he did this to me when I was new here pulled OP power status whe he didnt like my commnets
<archetech> thats a bad abusive sign
<buZz> i guess thats why he's no moderator
<rneese> ok kids take you chill pills its friday night
<rneese> grab a hot toddie and relax
<archetech> so TRS just chill pls
* buZz empties rneese's medicine cabinet
<stipa> i got banned on ##electronics
<TRS-80> archetech: I don't even recall that, but I highly doubt it was simply "not liking" your comments.
* archetech has a nice chianti after his human liver
<stipa> it's not like someone is trying to overtake the channel with bots or something...
<rneese> back to work on desktop builder
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<archetech> rneese, I'd like to see you get panforst tested on armbian N2
<archetech> its ok you and "the bug" come flying out of your chairs at any perceived slight to armbian
<archetech> which we all know does many things well and a few things not so well
<archetech> which is perfectly normal for a project this size
<archetech> which we all know Armbian does many things well and a few things not so well
<rneese> well I am reading about it
<archetech> which is perfectly normal for a project this size
<rneese> there is a driver we have to add
<archetech> rneese, yes but its on shakey dev ground so beware
<rneese> but I know arch has a driver that semi works for x/wayland
<rneese> i know
<archetech> so getting vls to work is a seperate thing
<archetech> vlc
<c0rnelius> Try mpv
<archetech> fyi rneese I have finally after 2 months got a working kde plasma on X on n2+
<archetech> c0rnelius, the video ability is sep from the gpu I think
<rneese> we have it in the desktop builder
<rneese> you might try this page https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=39791
<archetech> no you have it on llvmpipe not acellerated
<rneese> see if it makes it perform better
<rneese> but I have alot of work over the next month to finish desktops
<rneese> and get things working and people testing on boards
<rneese> but give me time
<archetech> yeah just given ya the goal dont expect it soon
<rneese> ok
<rneese> well I know with this change the deepin desktop is woorking 100% now on the n2
<rneese> so I like it
<rneese> but now I need a monitor for my n2+
<rneese> as it is now its using my tvv
<archetech> yes but define "working" my idea is it means accellerated opngl working
<archetech> like x86 has it
<rneese> it uses dri with this update I found
<rneese> I will be testing more options
<archetech> I suppose getting lots of de's working then adding accell is ok
<rneese> well on deepin I was getting terminal ghosting
<rneese> where you open a terminal and on the full screen tty1 was ghosting in the background
<rneese> this fixed that issue
<archetech> I hope ya dont trap peeps into your idea of a nice DE setup id make them stock
<rneese> and video in firefox on youtube no buffering now
<rneese> well we are going to have multi desktops
<archetech> I got an arch guy whos gnome sucks bad but its accelerated lol
<rneese> to start looks like xfce/gnome/budgie/deepin
<TRS-80> grep archetech .config/weechat/logs/irc.freenode.#armbian.weechatlog
<archetech> hes got qt5 mixed in with gtk3 and it's nasty
<TRS-80> oO
<rneese> ouch
<rneese> ok
* TRS-80 really didn't recall having words with archetech
<TRS-80> but apparently so (a bit)
<archetech> TRS-80, I have the transcript I saved it ti was so bad but dont sweat it
<rneese> ok bbl got things to do
<TRS-80> I am not sweating it, believe me.
<rneese> loads of desktop work
<archetech> its over what are you playing with tonight is what matters besides yourself :p
<TRS-80> oh now you can joke, right? lol but get offended about ricing? hmm? lol
<c0rnelius> giggity
<archetech> Im a ricer ! Iadd stuff that makes me feel cool but has effect on performance!
<archetech> no effect
<archetech> I get it it was funny
<TRS-80> I also like things to look nice, probabaly not to extent of being called "ricer" but clearly I hit a nerve (which was not my intent). Maybe I wanted to improve my rice?! Did you think of that?