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<xperia64> Flashing this to my N2
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<ArmbianTwitter> @tuxmachines (Tux Machines): Armbian 20.11.3 Released with Linux 5.9 Support for More Devices, PineCube Support • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ https://t.co/vJn89iZkD3 (20s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @schestowitz (Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)): #Armbian 20.11.3 Released with Linux 5.9 Support for More Devices, PineCube Support • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ https://t.co/AAJ3y7NfD5 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in https://t.co/mSMrk2vJp7 (26s ago)
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<xperia64> Ok how do I get actual hardware OpenGL(ES) of some flavor on the N2? I see panfrost is loaded
<[TheBug]> not sure I am understanding y our question
<[TheBug]> if the grphical drivers are installed and working then opengl should be exposed
<[TheBug]> so your questions seems a bit odd
<archetech> xperia64: pfrost will fault es2 or plain gl
<archetech> feel free to try it
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<Tony_mac32> well well well
<Tony_mac32> look what the cat dragged in
<Tony_mac32> TRS-80 how are ya
<TRS-80> Ohai!
<TRS-80> I'm here all the time lately. Had to change IP addresses though, so I re-logged.
<Tony_mac32> lol
<xperia64> The N2 seems to be defaulting to llvmpipe
<xperia64> Under glxinfo at least
<TRS-80> I am not sure if people who have N2 are here right now.
<xperia64> Honestly I'm not sure if panfrost is what I need at the moment, might try something with the binary driver :P
<nekomancer[m]> но это было немного позже уже, я уже осознал свой интерес к опенсорсу и фрюниксам.
<xperia64> Need GLES 3.2 or OpenGL 3.3. The point of this exercise was to test something with GLES 3.2
* TRS-80 is strictly an headless / server user of Armbian
<nekomancer[m]> sorry, wrong channel
<TRS-80> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Tony_mac32> lol
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<archetech> xperia64: https://wiki.debian.org/PanfrostLima read that?
<TRS-80> these people say words like panfrost and I have some notion what they are talking about, but...
<Tony_mac32> So I've been using another machine for building Armbian instead of my gaming computer/main machine, then I remembered: I have 64 GB RAM
<xperia64> I tried the etc environment, but glxinfo still claims llvmpipe
* Tony_mac32 fires up vm
<TRS-80> Tony_mac32: You do? wtf
<archetech> ya need a patched kernel and mesa-git
<Tony_mac32> TRS-80, there were empty slots. I couldn't take it *OCD intensifies*
<TRS-80> Like real RAM? Or like an NVMe mounted as zram?
<archetech> for panfrost to begin to work for where its at dev wise
<Tony_mac32> I have an i7-6800k with quad-channel ram
<Tony_mac32> so I put 8 8 GB sticks in it
<TRS-80> I thought I was only one with server type motherboard for workstation. Or are gayming / enthusiast bords supporting that much RAM these days?
<Tony_mac32> well I mostly play Planetside 2, which is basically a crapily written CAD software
<nekomancer[m]> hope ECC?
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: In my case yes
<TRS-80> Tony_mac32: Well I use Firefox
* Tony_mac32 is not in the 1%, nekomancer[m] and cant afford that bourgeois shit
<Tony_mac32> XD
<TRS-80> It's not much more than regular RAM, really, is it?
<Tony_mac32> It's been a while since I bought it, I don't even remember
<TRS-80> I found a good deal on these sticks on eBay, I lucked out. They were New In box, guy claimed they were bought for customer/job and never used.
<Tony_mac32> nice
<TRS-80> yeap
<TRS-80> OK, dinner / family time
<TRS-80> cheers
<nekomancer[m]> ecc problem now not ram itself. the problem is ecc unsupported by not-server motherboards and processors.
<Tony_mac32> right, and this is not a server processor
<Tony_mac32> it's about 80% a server processor
<Tony_mac32> ECC being part of the reason it's not 100%
<ArmbianTwitter> @FOSSForce (FOSS Force): Armbian 20.11.3 Released with Linux 5.9 Support for More Devices, PineCube Support - 9to5Linux https://t.co/b8oVMcIZ1I (30s ago)
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<archetech_n2> xperia64: this is what ya want
<archetech_n2> Device-1: meson-g12a-mali driver: panfrost v: kernel
<archetech_n2> Device-2: meson-g12a-dw-hdmi driver: meson_dw_hdmi v: kernel
<archetech_n2> Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.10 driver: modesetting s-res: 2560x1440
<archetech_n2> OpenGL: renderer: Mali G52 (Panfrost) v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.0
<archetech_n2> armbian would take some work to get that
<xperia64> Good to know. I'm trying alarm at the moment
<archetech> yeah that can do it with unstable pkgs
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<ArmbianTwitter> @tuxmachines (Tux Machines): Links 13/12/2020: KDE Frameworks 5.77.0, Armbian 20.11.3, Rescuezilla 2.1 • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⇨ https://t.co/gZCEki8YVl (18s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @schestowitz (Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)): Links 13/12/2020: KDE Frameworks 5.77.0, Armbian 20.11.3, Rescuezilla 2.1 • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⇨ https://t.co/JIdLePk6ro •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in https://t.co/mSMrk2vJp7 (30s ago)
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<nekomancer[m]> on N2 build zfs 2.0 in .deb and install it as `dkms`. It works. But not loads kernel module on boot — have to run `modprobe zfs` manualy.
<nekomancer[m]> Linux droid 5.9.14-meson64 #20.11.3 SMP PREEMPT Fri Dec 11 21:02:17 CET 2020 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<nekomancer[m]> no any special tests yet — just create zpool on singlr 64 gb usb stick and copy dozen files.
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<Werner> Good morning
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<Tonymac32> Good morning
<Werner> Hey tony
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<f476> hi. today update stretch to buster, changed source.list, all good and work but kernel 4.19.62 and no updates. orange pi zero. how get update kernel?
<Werner> easy method: Use armbian-config :)
<Werner> Btw distro upgrades like stretch to buster or bionic to focal are neither tested nor supported
<f476> im in armbian-config. on menu system
<Werner> Try "other"
<IgorPec> good morning
<Werner> Morning Igor
<f476> big thx Werner, this option work
<Werner> youre welcome
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @fosshostorg: We will be shortly starting our daily blog as we deploy 50u of ARM Hardware in six NEW global locations.We will track the… (27s ago)
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<driver42> hi folks I'm trying to fix this poorly amlogic tv box
<driver42> I can get it to boot up using coreelec on a SD card but normally it won't boot.....is there a script or image can use to get an armbian setup going?
<Werner> Try tv boxes club and start digging there. I think nobody here deals with tv boxes actually
<driver42> i'm sshd in, I want to 'rewrite' the internal flash on mmcblk0...
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<driver42> I don't want to use it as a TV box anymore, it's got 4gb ram so I thought it might be able to run as an armbian debian server...
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<driver42> think I'll chuck it in the bin then.......what's the thoughts on raspberry pi4 vs orange pi devices vs odroid stuff?
<Werner> You can ask in forums if somebody would take it in exchange for some bucks for shipping and handling
<Werner> nobody deals with rpis so no idea. opi devices are pretty decently supported except the H616 which is fairly new SoC
<Werner> odroid are more powerful but also more expensive. at the bottomline it all depends on your needs
<Werner> want a cheap sbc that serves pihole at your home go for OrangePi One which are about 15 bucks including shipping. want a powerful NAS go for helios64
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<Werner> want a desktop replacement go for m4v2 or N2+
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<stipa> driver42: rpi4 is not open source, odroid has fancy cooling, opi is fine nowdays Armbian works oke on them.
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<driver42> tanks for the feedback folks...found Orange Pi Zero 2 1GB on Ali for less than €20 delivered so think I'll have w play with one of them....RK3399 looks cool but devices still quite expensive which surprises me cos it's been out for ages now...
<Werner> OPi zero 2 is a bad idea atm....
<driver42> will stop buying raspberry pis if they are not open source and wait for a risc-v board to replace my desktop methinks lol
<driver42> why is zero 2 bad? not supported?
<Werner> As mentioned earlier H616 support is experimental at most
<stipa> driver42: it's new, devs are working on it
<Xogium> afternoon folks
<IgorPec> one year to get zero2 usable, 5 to get risv-v boards usable
<Werner> fun fact. I laughed as I heard it will take a year or more to get h6 stable....well today I know Igor was right...
<driver42> ok I found a Orange Pi One Plus for less than €21 and a Orange Pi 4 4GB for €52.17........blimey 1 year to get zero2 usable, wow!
<Werner> OPi1+ is decent. Have one myself. running headless most of the time
<IgorPec> new hardware is for developers
<IgorPec> not for users
<IgorPec> if you want to use things without much hassle, H3 / H5 also H6 is gettin there
<Xogium> risc-v sounds nice
<IgorPec> why?
<Werner> No risc no fun :P
<IgorPec> No risk no fun :) "Risk is a strategy board game of diplomacy, conflict and conquest[1] for two to six players."
<Xogium> what you guys think about the picorio board ?
<IgorPec> we already have way too many boards
<IgorPec> and no resources to deal with them. that's the first problem
<Xogium> well I was asking more like personnal opinions on it :)
<ArmbianTwitter> @bradanlane (Bradán (eChallengeCard member since 2020)): I do like the form factor and price. Perhaps Armbian will run on the hardware? https://t.co/QWWPp8m9D5 (9s ago)
<IgorPec> yet another hw
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<ArmbianTwitter> @BrideOfLinux (Christine Hall): Linux distro for Arm dev boards: Armbian 20.11.3 Released with Linux 5.9 Support for More Devices, PineCube Support - @9to5linux https://t.co/CI9tnQ9TKt https://t.co/GqyyifZIFl (17s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @ezeaqui (Eze Garcia): @armbian @Fox0x01 So I'm now curious what's the delta between the armbian improved kernel. Any core changes or big drivers that are out of tree? (4s ago)
<rneese> tiime to eol 32bit arm cpu and just go arm64
<rneese> imho
<rneese> it did not override the background
<rneese> I have to fiiind out why
* stipa Repairing and Reusing I ARTE Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCW1pubyk0
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @ezeaqui @armbian @Fox0x01 These are the patches that are applied over mainline: https://t.co/oEnbrxRZ4V Besides those a bunch of 3rd party drivers for various WiFi and Ethernet chips are added. (29s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @DarkainMX @xpstudiospnguin @nixcraft There are others that works well and are not closed. (11s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @nixcraft myself :) // NPD ! involved. (29s ago)
<HerculeP> IgorPec, I just tested Armbian 20.11.3 Focal with Linux 5.9.10-meson64 odroidc2: HDMI sound OK, usb-stick detected, minor quirk: kbd selected wrongly on 1st boot
<IgorPec> great!!
<IgorPec> what's wrong with kbd?
<HerculeP> kbd issue easy to fix via armbian-config :D
<IgorPec> understand, but what happens? that we can fix
<HerculeP> kbd was selected as (us,DE)
<IgorPec> us is default, but de should be just added
<IgorPec> its added as DE but it should be de ?
<HerculeP> although I selected 1. DE_de
<HerculeP> worked better before on 5.4 IIRC
<IgorPec> there were complains in the previos versions after changing ... so now we don't change the keyboard but only add
<HerculeP> not a big deal, just reporting
<IgorPec> sure, tnx
<HerculeP> np
<HerculeP> TZ etc detect was ok
<HerculeP> I will repeat /w the buster DT img tomorrow, too lazy today ;)
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<HerculeP> sound worked out of the box this time for me
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<HerculeP> good job!
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<Tonymac32> HerculeP which board?
<IgorPec> C2
<Tonymac32> ah ok
<Tonymac32> GCBB was finicky since I was just adapting the GXL patches to it before
<IgorPec> but we have broken audio now on N2 i heard :)
<Tonymac32> GXBB*
<Tonymac32> uugh
<IgorPec> i think some upstream changes, didn't do any research yet
<Tonymac32> Finally got my VM working, took longer than hoped.
<IgorPec> build server VM?
<Tonymac32> Yeah I wanted to stick one on my main PC since I have 12 threads and 64 GB RAM
<Tonymac32> hyper-v was causing me pain
<Tonymac32> to disable it takes special tricks and a HARD reset
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<HerculeP> <- inofficial odroidC2 tester, Tonymac32 ;)
<HerculeP> I'r running an odroidHC2 too, but not for experiments at the moment
<HerculeP> I'm*
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<Tonymac32> OK, I have a C2 as well, cool
<Tonymac32> OK, serious question: if the R4S is really going to be packaged with either 1 GB DDR3 or 4 GB lpddr4, do we even want to support it?
<Werner> At least the 4gb version would be nice :D
<Tonymac32> Well that's just it: I see no universe where we don't get a ton of angry forum activity
<Tonymac32> They are different boards by the way
<Tonymac32> https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=284
<Tonymac32> scroll down to layout and interface
<Werner> lol did not catch that until you mentioned
<fromport> what would make sense? >= 2GB ram ?
<Tonymac32> fromport that isn't the issue
<Tonymac32> u-boot between them will be different
<Tonymac32> and they share the same name
<fromport> ahh.
<fromport> yeah, that will be tough
<Tonymac32> They don't show a different image in their listing though
* Tonymac32 squints at it and wonders
<Tonymac32> well, except they have an armbian nanopi M4 image and a NanoPc T4 image under Armbian.
* Tonymac32 squints harder
<Tonymac32> I don't like it
<Xogium> heh, something I just thought of, for fun… would it be legal to sell boards that run armbian ?
<Tonymac32> ? like with it pre-flashed?
<Xogium> yea
<Tonymac32> it's open source, so why not?
<Xogium> well sometimes you have these things where you can't actually sell, but its free for your own usage
<Werner> So basically there is no choice but to create two board configs. R4S-1G and R4S-4G
<Xogium> ran into this with the mbrola project… the software itself has finally been opened, but the voices you have no right to sell
<Tonymac32> it looks that way unless they have dark u-boot magic
<Xogium> needless to say, mbrola without voices is hmm… not so useful
<Werner> I'd simply do that because merging later is easy I guess
<Tonymac32> eh maybe. I'd almost be *that guy* and only support the big one
<Xogium> so we wanted to sell our hardware with software pre-flashed. We can do that with the version that only has espeak, but if people want to switch to the mbrola version they'll have to do it themselves, since we have the right to sell
<Xogium> *haven't, rather
<Tonymac32> gotcha
<Xogium> you can distribute but not sell… Yeah, at least that
<Xogium> or, tehcnically, we could get the right to sell if we send an email to every person who ever gave their voice to the mbrola project, and they agreed
<Xogium> much easier to go the no selling route
<Tonymac32> yeah so the property is around the voices
<Tonymac32> makes sense
<Xogium> yep
<Xogium> and since mbrola is at least 20 years old, the info on each person might be totally outdated lol. Heck some of them might even be dead
<Xogium> the source code was finally opened last year iirc, or the year before. Took a long while, in any case… And it was more than about time they did it lol
<Xogium> mbrola had started breaking on every platform they ever made a binary for
<Xogium> like segfaulting at every word or sentence it said
<Xogium> I, hum, actually ended up with 8 gb of *compressed* core dumps
<Xogium> lucky for us, all it needs is a rebuild against more recent libs and with a more recent gcc and everything works
<Tonymac32> is anyone looking at new voices?
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<EZ-Mac> ruh-roh
<Tonymac32> Dude what kindo of name is that
<Tonymac32> :D
<EZ-Mac> Don't start with me old man
<Werner> retry until it uses a different mirror. UK seems buggy
<Werner> or not fully synced yet
<Werner> or both :D
<Tonymac32> Were the servers provided by Lucas Electric?
<Xogium> I don't know if they want new voices. I think the project is sort of dead, and noone resumed
<Xogium> but they did make the tool to create new voices from available also, but this is a really huge amount of work to provide all the phonemes and samples required in the exact format the tool is expecting
<Tonymac32> 'tis
<Xogium> black magic for me lol
<Tonymac32> tedious looks like
<Xogium> yeah and sounds like there's barely any doc to explain the file formats
<Tonymac32> raw 16 bit WAV looks like. now the naming for the things looks like a trip
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<Xogium> hehehe yeah
<TRS-80> HerculeP: Were you same guy who came in here several days (week? more?) ago about HDMI audio not working?
<TRS-80> Xogium: Armbian build scripts are GPL: https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/LICENSE However there is ton of other software used like Linux kernel (also GPL) but many, many others, too... Having said that, not sure if that was more of theory or real question, if the latter I don't know if you could make enough to cover all your time doing support but you are welcome to have a go at it of
<TRS-80> course. ;)
<Xogium> it was mostly theory
<Xogium> and because I was honestly curious
<TRS-80> Then in that case it depends on licenses, the ones I would likely be most concerned with would be the blob ones from manufacturers but who knows, there could be something I am overlooking.
<TRS-80> Xogium: This is basic but good intro if you are not familiar: https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software
<Xogium> yeah
<IgorPec> TRS-80: HerculeP helps us with testings.
<TRS-80> IgorPec: OK, thanks. Someone had come in here while back saying audio was broken on HDMI but that could have been a different board, person... sorry don't remember specifics...
<IgorPec> yeah, we had this C2 works, doesn't work, works again, ...
<IgorPec> but now we are in "it works" position :)
<Tonymac32> S905(x) audio was a series of patches and hacks, I think it's settled in finally
<Tonymac32> :D
<ArmbianTwitter> @brentcrawford (🚀🏴‍☠️): @lanefu @Love2Code Definitely, I'll be trying that next. I used the Ayufan release referenced in the Pine64 wiki. While on topic, I should also note experiencing recurring problems with the armbian-config firmware update process breaking things. https://t.co/TusAKSPPvU https://t.co/77zOfuZAnI https://t.co/98ug2bqhOF (6s ago)
<Tonymac32> Let me guess, Rock64
<IgorPec> good guess
<Tonymac32> anyone play with Sepia? https://github.com/SEPIA-Framework
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @brentcrawford @lanefu @Love2Code It should also be noted that we dropped support for this HW. (24s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @hofmannedv (Frank Hofmann): Understanding the differences between @armbian, RaspberriPy OS and @debian can be tricky. Thanks for your help, @XTaran (27s ago)
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<Tonymac32> ugh I forgot the "zzz" "zzzz" patch situation in rockchip64 :/
<IgorPec> we have few dirty hacks, yeah :)
<Tonymac32> ah I see why on one of these.
* Tonymac32 starts refactoring patches :'(
<Tonymac32> Watching intel Atom tablet reboot 6 times while updating windows, downloading a Ubuntu image for it...
<IgorPec> i think we should implement x86 image making
<IgorPec> i would come handy sometimes
<Tonymac32> it might, these shitty (and even not so shitty like mine) Atom tablets have eMMC's etc just like the ARM ones
<Tonymac32> I guess like the Rock Pi X as well
<IgorPec> yeah, rock pi x is the same
<[TheBug]> O_o
<IgorPec> bug knows :)
<Tonymac32> Mac knows XD
<[TheBug]> actually just playing with Ubuntu Desktop on RockPi X
<[TheBug]> on a 32GB samsung USB stick
<[TheBug]> runs pretty nice
<[TheBug]> from USB 3.0
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: Maybe add some comments while you are at it (refactoring). ;)
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 why would I bother refactoring if I wasn't going to? :D
<Tonymac32> patch naming is the wild west at the moment XD
<TRS-80> I dunno, it just seems like the little bit of Armbian code I have tried to study, I did not get very far because there were no comments whatsoever.
<Tonymac32> there is that too
<TRS-80> But I probably need to study some more. Anyway that was in general, only directed at you because you mentioned you will be working on it, not as any sort of indictment. lol
<Tonymac32> lol well the patches for any given board are hard to track down/make sense of, so I'm working through all the "zzzz"s and fixing whatever they break when I put them where they belong in the nameology
<TRS-80> I heard someone refer to strong "document culture" in Emacs and I think that's true (Emacs itself being called "self-documenting" text editor) which I think is quite true and something I just have become used to.
<TRS-80> But if we are going to be a "community" project, with any hope of more people helping to maintain code, I think we might need to try and improve in this regard. Just a thought.
<TRS-80> "documentation culture" rather
<Tonymac32> I agree, otherwise I wouldn't worry about the patch naming scheme XD
<TRS-80> yeah, you just brought it up, I wasn't pointing finger at you specifcally
<TRS-80> just something in general been bothering me / thinking about
* Tonymac32 won't voice his agreement with TRS-80 ever again XD
<TRS-80> I decided to mention it for benefit of others in channel
<Tonymac32> and I agreed for the same reason :P
<Tonymac32> I need to dig in and look at the script itself a bit, like how to avoid having the script config file under a folder called "userpatches"
<Tonymac32> probably step it to /build/user, then patches under that
<Tonymac32> we're missing lanefu
<TRS-80> he said he needed a break from computering this weekend
<Tonymac32> can't blame him
<TRS-80> nope, not at all
<Tonymac32> this is my break from my crummy day job, so
<Tonymac32> I see Oleg put some tweaks to the rk3328 dtsi in his addition of the Firefly Station boards... I didn't test anything to see if that broke anything
<Tonymac32> once I refactor these I'm going to try the overclock overlays so we can get our RK3399's back in order
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<HerculeP> TRS-80: yup, it was me @audio
<TRS-80> I thought maybe. Glad to see it's working. I do vaguely try and also keep some mental notes going about issues I hear, some times I pass that along to devs (because I read forums and hang in IRC a lot).
<TRS-80> Some times they even listen. :D
<Tonymac32> windows tablet rebooting again XD
<Tonymac32> my tablet is the rare quad-core Atom XD
<Tonymac32> looks like the same generation as the Rock Pi one actually, the tablet is an z8500 instead of z8350
<TRS-80> lanefu been raving about his PBP lately, it's making me take another look
<Tonymac32> I like mine, haven't used it enough though
<TRS-80> PBP or original one?
<TRS-80> I guess desktop and graphics stuff came a long way on PBP (this in dev / master or whatever)
<Tonymac32> PBP RK3399
<TRS-80> nice
<Tonymac32> the RK3399 is a chromebook SoC, so it should work pretty well
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @brentcrawford @Love2Code You'll probably want to freeze kernel via armbian config (1s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @anovacap (D9): Day 65 #100DaysOfCode #100DaysOfCloud #DevOps. After going down the U-boot rabbit hole a ways, the easy fix was to run s bash script found on the @armbian forums that fixed the dtb file and updated it. The upside to the u-boot rabbit hole is I could easily read the bash script. (16s ago)