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<IgorPec> lanefu: what's that fancy pcb ?:)I
<lanefu> it's my poor man's SBC testing hat... 3 UART breakouts.. and then a gpio expander to control 8ch relay
<lanefu> but now i'm realizing that cable length migth be a problem adn your USB uart approach might ultimately be better
<IgorPec> hehe
<IgorPec> nice
<IgorPec> we are again accused on censorship?
<IgorPec> tkasier shows up and :)
<lanefu> he was contributing for christmas
<lanefu> i thought we were turning a corner
<IgorPec> thomas has to be accepted as is
<Tonymac32> yep
<lanefu> yeah the best way to commmunicate is through bash
<IgorPec> he is usually having some point but its pretty pointless to fight him
<lanefu> yup
<IgorPec> its also unlikely that TRS-80 would do some stupid thing
<Tonymac32> They both have very strong personalities
<lanefu> yeah.. he gets a bit moderation heavy on occasion but who fucking knows
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> probably agreeing with each other while arguging about it lol
<IgorPec> tony: that's also true
<Tonymac32> I've known TRS-80 for some years, I wouldn't want to argue with him either XD
<lanefu> lol
<IgorPec> so we don't need to worry about :)
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> on a more energetic front... we got a realy great code cleanup contribution to the dl-router code https://github.com/armbian/dl-router/pull/11
<IgorPec> i just notice
<Tonymac32> cool
<IgorPec> i spent hours today trying to RFC automated testings
<IgorPec> i find out that current system .... sucks :)
<lanefu> :P
<IgorPec> but also kernel changing via armbian-config is very unstable
<IgorPec> i think the-going is working on that now
<lanefu> yeah kernel changing is quite brittle in general these days
<lanefu> oh cool
<Tonymac32> I know what we should do, add 10 new kernels for the Firefly boards. ;)
<lanefu> that sounds awesome more firefly
<lanefu> where's that angry firefly guy that posted some thing last year
<Tonymac32> there are opto isolators on board those hats, the 4-pin DIPs are them
<Tonymac32> erm, boards, in this case
<IgorPec> firefly folks were angry?
<Tonymac32> a while back
<lanefu> nah some kid that worked for them or something
<IgorPec> i don't recall. what was it? they actually contributed to the build system for a while
<Tonymac32> it wasn't firefly
<Tonymac32> I remember
<Tonymac32> Tinker 1S is running Home Assistant. Anyone use a voice assistant with it?
<lanefu> nope... the hardware is hard. the easy way is $5 a month with "homeassistant cloud w/ Nabu Casa"
<IgorPec> i am on OH:)
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* Tonymac32 does things the hard way
* [TheBug] "that's what she said"
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<lanefu> alright.. well 2 of 3 uarts work on my board lol
<Tonymac32> Don't be sad, 2 out of three ain't bad
* Tonymac32 will be here all week
* Tonymac32 has a guilty pleasure of occasionally enjoying Meatloaf
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<lanefu> Tonymac32: i'm confused as i checked all my wiring n stuff and it looks okay
<stipa> check continuity
<lanefu> uart3 is failing me
<lanefu> lol i did thats why i'm confused lol
<stipa> ha ha
<lanefu> wait its uart1.. that helps the brain hurt a bit
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> you need this little guy and Sigrok Pulseview if you want to play these games often
<lanefu> i'm not sure i want to play these games often
* lanefu isnt sure this is fun
<stipa> without logic analyser you're doomed if dealing with protocols n low level
<lanefu> burned fingers and frustratrion rock
<Tonymac32> 'tis a common problem
<Tonymac32> the cheap logic analyzer and pulseview are the cheapest most effective buy-in for protocol snooping
<stipa> some of them you can pair with softwer from Saleae as well
<Tonymac32> they are a clone of the now-defunct Saleae product. As such I won't do that since I don't believe in it
<Tonymac32> but yes
<Tonymac32> you can put their firmware on it and use it with their software
<lanefu> see anyting obvious here regarding UART1 on h5? https://armbian.lane-fu.com/linx/wgpwstvo.txt
<Tonymac32> I haven't had any issues with Pulseview
<Tonymac32> lanefu no, I mean everything exists anyway
<lanefu> my wiring is based on this https://armbian.lane-fu.com/linx/s/qxaall1x.png
<Tonymac32> so the Tritium H5 is the target device, and the OPi is running the show?
<lanefu> Tritiumh5 is wearing the hat
<lanefu> and it's connecting to....
<lanefu> a tritium h5
<Tonymac32> OPi header doesn't match the Tritium one
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<lanefu> hmm
<lanefu> okay so here's the brainhurt
<lanefu> compare your data for uart3 vs the opi image
<lanefu> and then i'm going to tell you that uart3 is working
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<Tonymac32> :P I have sources listed for my info
<Tonymac32> so then
<lanefu> but assumoing uart1 and 3 are transposed
<lanefu> my uart3 is where youe uart1 is and workign
<lanefu> leaving the uart3 pins in fact being different then what i'm using for uart1
<Tonymac32> yeah, your uart1 are living on the I2S pins
<lanefu> thats why it sounds so good
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> i mean i always knew the rpi compatible stuff was nonense
<lanefu> but i guess it just means 5v, grnd adn 3.3v are in the same place when they say "rpi compatible header"
<Tonymac32> haha well some try harder than others
<Tonymac32> I'm assuming you can't use an I2S HAT on an OPi?
<lanefu> dunno
<lanefu> never had i2s hat
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<lanefu> i have some newb questions
<Tonymac32> if I2C, SPI, I2S and a UART are where they belong the rest of it is kind of free form
<lanefu> H3 shows 2 SPI bus's? SPI0 SPI1
<Tonymac32> ja
<lanefu> does sdcard use spi? or is that its on thing
<lanefu> SDIO i guess != SPI
<Tonymac32> sdmmc is it's own peripheral
<Tonymac32> SD cards can operate in a SPI mode though
<lanefu> i'm still working out the end of world's scenerior where my expertise of automotive, basic carpentary, and IO bus's on Allwinner SoCs give me the edge over the others
<Tonymac32> haha
<lanefu> soooo do i move my hat to orangepi pc2, or do i rewire it for tritium lol
<Tonymac32> This is your path, padawan
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> it sounds cooler when i say i made a hat for the tritium
<Tonymac32> :D
<[TheBug]> LOL
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<lanefu> womp womp
<lanefu> re-work fail
<lanefu> maybe uart1 just isnt real
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<Tonymac32> ...
<lanefu> i'm like cross referencing all the .dtsi files now
<lanefu> tomorrow i'll just put dupons directly on the t5 adn take my board out of fthe equation
<lanefu> on that note you have a favorite cheap usb ttl?
<lanefu> cuz just buying 10 of them sounds appealing
<Tonymac32> hmm
<Tonymac32> I use CH340's on my boards, and friendlyARM has them on their adapters
<lanefu> btw my 30"-ish TTL cable worked
<Tonymac32> good
<lanefu> so i've notcied a lot of stuff has the mounting hole spacing of the width of the RPI
<lanefu> is there something special about that dimension
<Tonymac32> 58 mm center/center, I don't know
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<ArmbianTwitter> @silver0480 (haioh): @kobol_io #Helios64 default ramlog size setting (50MB) is too small, so causes random crash with armbian 20.11.4 :-( After disabling ramlog(ZRAM), no crash. but HEAVY reduce lifetime of microSD. (I already use 860EVO m.2 SSD for system,so no ploblem) https://tinyurl.com/y87pvadq (22s ago)
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<Werner> Um IgorPec didnt you disable 8188eu for >5.9 kernels? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/12a063f6/
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @silver0480 @kobol_io There should be a configuration file in /etc/default/ to change the settings. Additionally the v21.02 Armbian release will offer even more granualar control https://tinyurl.com/yabz2wkr (27s ago)
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<lanefu> Hi Werner!
<Werner> Hey Lane
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<ArmbianTwitter> @silver0480 (haioh): @lanefu @kobol_io Okay,waiting armbian 21.02. ( Workaround : Huge syslog by profile-sync-daemon, so I purge it. ) https://tinyurl.com/y9gmm865 (26s ago)
<lanefu> Hmm i think he missed my point where i was telling him where to make it bigger
<Werner> maybe
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<ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @silver0480 @kobol_io cool.. but yeah you can make size bigger by editing /etc/default/armbian-zram-config https://tinyurl.com/y8pc2en4 (7s ago)
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<wooster> thinking about trying to set up projectM music visualizer on a SBC. any recommendations for something with a decent CPU and integrated graphics? built in audio input ADC would be nice
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<wooster> this looks like what i want http://www.suptronics.com/miniPCkits/x350.html
<lanefu> Tonymac32: 3 working uarts on my hat!
<IgorPec> lanefu: testing opi3
<lanefu> IgorPec: its not so much opi3 as it is the _other_ boards that use the same ethernet
<lanefu> that need testing
<IgorPec> yes, i do test others
<IgorPec> almost done
<lanefu> lol cool
<lanefu> are you testing 5.9 and 5.10
<IgorPec> only 5.10
<lanefu> cool
<lanefu> yeah IMHO when we cut current to 5.10... we shoudl _stay_ there for a while
<IgorPec> exactly
<IgorPec> we should do this prior to next major release
<IgorPec> that one is to far away
<lanefu> anyway maybe we can get to the meta package config intime for 21.02?
<lanefu> or no
<IgorPec> meta package for kernels?
<lanefu> yeah
<IgorPec> ah, not that crticial to risk troubles
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<lanefu> hmm i hope we can get to it by 21.05 then
<lanefu> it will buy as a lot of stability.... and make it easier to offer optimized kernels for desktop, vs server etc (ex: enable virtualization on server)
<IgorPec> 1st it will bring troubles :) then
<lanefu> i could argue we've already brought ourselves troubles
<lanefu> opi3's updates prime example
<IgorPec> by doing what we do ?:)
<lanefu> yes
<lanefu> lol
<IgorPec> but meta packages will not fix troubles as such
<lanefu> it lets us better assure the right sbc always gets the right kernel
<lanefu> more stabilit for the user
<IgorPec> but from the management perspective ... how to know?
<lanefu> and lets us manage updates more safely
<IgorPec> imaging that we would not have kernel families
<lanefu> well i think that process would need to be designed
<lanefu> but i mean we'd start with just defining the meta packages and then pointing them to our existing defaults
<IgorPec> kernel family is already a meta package in one way
<lanefu> we'd still have kernel families.. but the SBC would get a metapackage that would generally point to a family ec
<lanefu> and ultimately it will let us really promise stability for our "supported" boards
<IgorPec> this will not solve all problems
<lanefu> lol i mean that's not a very strong agrument
<lanefu> nothing will
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> but i mean i think it positions us to solve problems and minimize mistakes
<lanefu> and FIX mistakes
<lanefu> i mean i know the dream is fewer kernels
<lanefu> but honeslty i think our ability to manage kernels ofr all these stupid boards is our like biggest advantage to the masses
<lanefu> and maybe that does mean fewer kernel builds on backend at some point
<IgorPec> proper autotesting will contribute most
<lanefu> honestly might bring us closer to that because of the granular control
<IgorPec> so that we will be aware of the problems
<lanefu> i'm certainly not disputing that need
<lanefu> i think it pairs together
<IgorPec> i am doing those tests manually now since automatic are so instable :)
<lanefu> burn!!!!!
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> so i guess really to improve on that testing
<lanefu> we need PR messages to contain suggested test targets
<lanefu> so that it doesnt have to guess everything
<lanefu> and then the other is doing full test matrices where it makes sense
<IgorPec> testing on devices is paralel so its 1 or 100
<lanefu> so you're saying just testing all things always regardless of context of commit?
<IgorPec> i would already hook that up, but currently tests are not good
<IgorPec> yes
<lanefu> hmm
<IgorPec> apt update; upgrade, reboot
<lanefu> ahh okay
<IgorPec> just something minimal
<lanefu> yeah i've been trying to think of ways to get a PXEboot config or something that would wipe and reprovision
<lanefu> but know to sometimes.. not wipe
<IgorPec> like to start with a clean build?
<lanefu> yeah... fresh base image each test
<IgorPec> that should by covered by our device in universal way
<IgorPec> but yeah, that would be nice
<lanefu> yeah well the sdmux thing makes it "easy"
<IgorPec> that works everywhere
<lanefu> but with or SPI flash boards n stuff we have some options
<lanefu> i'e been trying to think through posibilties with that
<lanefu> lvrpi's LOST tool is good inspiration
<IgorPec> like donwloads from URL and flashes to emmc/USB?
<lanefu> yep!
<lanefu> it's fucking awesome
<lanefu> i installed coreelec to my la frite the other night using it
<IgorPec> can that works everywhere?
<lanefu> just used the uboot menu and chose it
<lanefu> i thin it coudl work in a lot of places, but we need to really understand uboot
<IgorPec> so you need SPI and network support in uboot?
<lanefu> yeah
<IgorPec> if we cover rk3399 we cover half :)
<lanefu> yeah rk and amlogic should be pretty doable
<lanefu> ironically SPI flash has loweset priority on allwinner
<IgorPec> yeah
<lanefu> _also_ i read something interesting about rockchip
<lanefu> because i guess it just has 1 SPI bus
<IgorPec> you can hook more devices on it AFAIK
<lanefu> anyway.. i think on some of the rockchip boards that don't haev onboard SPI, you coudl actually still use an wpi flash chip via correct GPIO pins
<lanefu> lol "we" shoudl start requring SPI flash for LTS support for boards
<IgorPec> that works everywhere i think
<IgorPec> btw i think this Opi3 patch will be ok. just two devices fail
<IgorPec> which could be for other reason. have to see console
<lanefu> k whcih devices?
<IgorPec> Orange Pi Zero2
<IgorPec> which is anyway not relevant
<IgorPec> and ZeroPi
<lanefu> what's a zero pi
<IgorPec> h3
<IgorPec> with 1gb
<IgorPec> gb nic
<lanefu> lemme look in device tree for zero pi rela quick
<lanefu> k i think i can fix lemme tweak
<lanefu> his choice is not to try ..... https://twitter.com/silver0480/status/1344288488955412481
<lanefu> IgorPec: sorry i know i've asked this before.. what's the way to just have armbian check out soruces and apply patches and stop
<lanefu> othe rthan ctrl-c
<lanefu> lol
<IgorPec> i use that :)
<IgorPec> but there is some way ... like name of the function "prepare_patches"
<IgorPec> or similar
<IgorPec> just zeropi have troubles
<lanefu> IgorPec: don't laugh but i've never used the CREATE_PATCHES flag before... that will make patches from my kernel source changes or no? usualy i just diff my way through it
<lanefu> *git diff
<IgorPec> it will create a nice looking patch which you can copy to the patches section
<IgorPec> i can change directly in DT via armbian-config
<IgorPec> i am on machine now
<lanefu> oh yeah just change you're just chaning setting to phy-mode = "rgmii-id";
<IgorPec> ok, lets see if it gets back
<IgorPec> this device tree editor comes handy
<IgorPec> yes, net is up
<IgorPec> make a grep if any other board need change
<IgorPec> and we support it
<lanefu> k wrapping up patches
<IgorPec> how is our tool for creating patches ? :)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> I have seen some tweets about WiFi SDcard. How they use to make testing easier?
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<lanefu> IgorPec: uhh its pretty nice... i used splitdiff -a to break the patches out to seperate files since different devices
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<lanefu> kprasadvnsi[m]: haha yeah i was digging into that but not worht the effort given we have a sdmux board in the works
<lanefu> idea was be able to remimage the sdcards easily for testing
<lanefu> IgorPec: just do patches for 5.10-dev?
<IgorPec> yes
<stipa_> !ping
<IgorPec> 5.9.y is going to be trashed
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <lanefu "kprasadvnsi: haha yeah i was dig"> What is sdmux board?
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<lanefu> IgorPec: okay just pushed patches to fix
<lanefu> err pR
<IgorPec> and support thread kprasadvnsi[m] https://forum.armbian.com/topic/10841-the-testing-thread/
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<lanefu> IgorPec: you gonna retest or no?
<IgorPec> no need
<IgorPec> we can merge this
<stipa> can any bot ping me back?
<stipa> is there such feature ?
<lanefu> merging
<lanefu> stipa: the bot we use is called "supybot" if you can find a plugin you need we can add
* lanefu battling covid risk for sake of haircut. bbiab
<lanefu> now i have to decide if i want to switch from my pineh64 back to my opi3 lol
<stipa> lanefu: ok
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @DieZuckerbude And #armbian already boots on it https://t.co/w9vxyz70wN https://tinyurl.com/ybkwtp69 (19s ago)
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<lanefu> Just have to make some more console cables and configure the gpio for the relays
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<stipa> is that home automation project?