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<lanefu> it creatws partition and uboot is where it needs to be
<lanefu> sorry didnt mean to double
<archetech> debian dev is giving me a brand new image to try
<c0rnelius> the location of uboot also varies from soc to soc. i find rockchip to be the biggest pain to get right.
<c0rnelius> armbian works some kind of voodoo magic with uboot. i don't even get it :D
<c0rnelius> TRS-80, ooh... so weechat is just like irssi for the most part.
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<lanefu> hmmm maybe thats why im not so helpful for this situation. i dont have any rockchip boards
<archetech> sok the 7 partitions should drive you away by itself
<lanefu> lol
<archetech> surprised you didnt know about that seems an ayufan creation
<lanefu> now im curious
<archetech> theres a ayufan uboot how thread...it died a quick death
<archetech> so im seeing what im up against at least
<archetech> basically it says move these files into these mem spots then create matching partitions
<lanefu> have a link to the thread?
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<archetech> sry not it
<c0rnelius> the only rockchip board i've been successful with getting uboot to work on was the rk3328 renegade.
<c0rnelius> i've made here and there attempts on the rk3399 (nanopc-t4) but always just give up. Plus Amrbian does a top notch job with that board.
<archetech> 4.4 bionic works well no complaints just want the new bits
<archetech> Host: rock64 Kernel: 4.4.197-1236-rockchip-ayufan-g30faab37e339 aarch64 bits: 32
<archetech> idk why the 32 bits on this inxi
<archetech> userland maybe
<archetech> this line on armbian is diff from arch
<archetech> clock speeds: max: 1296 MHz 1: 1008 MHz 2: 1008 MHz 3: 1008 MHz 4: 1008 MHz
<archetech> arch says 408 and that makes a big diff compiling
<archetech> armbian works arch segfaults when compiling
<archetech> my whole reason im here
<lanefu> youre wanting which kernel for which os?
<archetech> just want rc1 to boot\
<archetech> stopped playing with kernels
<lanefu> let me build you an image
<lanefu> rock64?
<archetech> sure
<archetech> plain rock64
<archetech> no firefly/renegade
<lanefu> roger
<lanefu> bionic or buster?
<archetech> buster
<lanefu> server or desktop?
<archetech> minimal
<lanefu> building
<archetech> cool we can compare image size bytes
<archetech> 759169024 Jan 29 15:21 Armbian_20.02.0-rc1_Rock64_buster_current_5.4.16_minimal.img
<lanefu> so it wont be apples to apples. im building from master branch
<archetech> ok
<lanefu> theres sha file compresswed and uncompressed image there
<lanefu> sorry my typing is so bad. im doing all of this from a gpd win lol
<archetech> k
<archetech> is using dd ok im on linux and etcher is huge
<archetech> pulls in go I think
<lanefu> ya dd if=image of=/dev/disk bs=!M conv=fsync statu=progress
<lanefu> *1M
<lanefu> status=progress
<lanefu> revised: dd if=image of=/dev/disk bs=1M conv=fsync status=progress
<archetech> ok maybe cuz I used 4M
<archetech> we'll see if it makes a diff
<lanefu> comv=fsync is the most important part
<lanefu> you should live dangerously and pipe it straight to dd from curl
<archetech> heh
<sarnold> hahaha
<archetech> so you got a rented vps ?
<lanefu> fios gigabit
<archetech> sweet
<archetech> put that $10 towrds ur cable/dsl bill
<archetech> I had fixed ip from att
<archetech> its nice no bs
<lanefu> and i have a build server with 40 threads of fury
<archetech> yes u do lol
<archetech> ur bad self
<lanefu> ha
<archetech> ok burning
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<lanefu> hi NeuroScr
<NeuroScr> Hello
<archetech> same as my build red/white lights fixed no flicker
<archetech> hdmi too nuttin
<archetech> somebody needs to compare notes on 4.4 vs 5.x kernel-uboots
<lanefu> do you have ttl serial console hooked up?
<archetech> no dont have one
<lanefu> do you have another sbc and dupont cables?
<archetech> nope
<lanefu> lame
<archetech> I burn images they boot or they dont
<lanefu> serial console output would really help troubleshoot
<archetech> got arch manajro armbian all booting just this new stuff sint right yet
<c0rnelius> archetech - im fairly certain the kernel has nothing to do with the uboot
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<archetech> c0rnelius: w/e it is ya got some testing feedback at least
<lanefu> let see if i can build a different uboot branch while archetech orders a ftdi friend from amazon
<archetech> I know I know how to burn and boot correctly so lets be real
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<archetech> I do have a breadboard multi psu and a oscope if that helps ;)
<lanefu> archetech: everythinng but the 1 thing that would help
<archetech> but no dam serial out I know im a lame lazy cheap tech lol
<lanefu> like you dont have an rpi laying around
<lanefu> most SBCs have a few uarts
<lanefu> so you can use them to get TTL serial
<lanefu> on the gpio
<archetech> no im new to arm actually my last toybefore this rock was a pogoplug v2
<lanefu> haha okay
<archetech> that was my first foray few yrs ago
<archetech> so ya if I was serious id get a serial out cable
<archetech> fig id leave that to the devs and just test images sry
<archetech> I honestly beleived arm was further along than it is
<archetech> def a shortage of dev level peeps
<archetech> I feel for ya's doin what I can
<lanefu> ya no worries
<lanefu> trying to figure out what changed
<archetech> in a better world the cheap azzz board makers would throw gobs of cash at you guys
<lanefu> its using ayuafan's u-boot, which has been the same since august
<archetech> sellin boards w/o good test software is a crime!
<lanefu> cheapass board makers could just use UEFI and then armbian's work would be cut in half or less
<archetech> right and that uboot is not ready for todays kernels I suspect
<lanefu> everybody has their own bastardized fork
<archetech> but then gain ists just a kernel
<archetech> again*
<archetech> yeah 5 variations of rk3328 aint easy
<archetech> prolly 10 for 3399
<archetech> but I bought in so it is what it is no biggy
<archetech> not like nothing works like some boards
<archetech> paper weights
<c0rnelius> testing feedback? I was just saying writing uboot properly is not kernel related. setting up a extlinux.conf file or boot.scr is though... if you want to boot that said kernel.
<archetech> thanks for trying lane maybe a 3328 guru will drop a nice image on the world soon
<c0rnelius> not sure whyur giving me a hard time about the obvious
<archetech> whos given you hard time ?
<archetech> we burned an image it didnt boot all there is to it
<archetech> tonymac has a 3328 that works but he's awol alot
<archetech> not sure what board it is
<archetech> whats needed is a dev with the board whos spending time onit idk who that might be
<archetech> 2 yrs ago it was ayufan
<c0rnelius> ok
<c0rnelius> i have an rk3328 running as web server in my house right now and not using armbian.
<archetech> so whats it using for OS?
<lanefu> let me do a shot-in-the-dark build with ayuafans dev kernel branch
<c0rnelius> an img of my own making... but whatever, enjoy
<archetech> yeah I have an img of my own making too that works lol
<archetech> we are foucued on the new armbian image rc
<archetech> focused*
<archetech> we being lane and I
<archetech> cuz he's a trooper
<c0rnelius> alright
<lanefu> we're all friends here..even people that use buildroot
<archetech> lol
<archetech> I used buildroot for my LFS image heh
<archetech> works great
<c0rnelius> get at it boys
<lanefu> ha
<lanefu> so my least favorite thing about armbian is having to touch the SBCs
<archetech> forgot to mention that I usualyy brag once a day
<lanefu> because that means i cant hack on crap from my couch
<lanefu> whats LFS
<archetech> Linux from Scratch
<lanefu> yeah thats hardcore
<archetech> it boots with arch's kernel
<lanefu> gentoo back in the day was about s nutty as i ever went
<archetech> it sure is hard core dont get harder
<archetech> but this uboot crap takes the cake
<archetech> gotta get onto uefi or grub even
<lanefu> so the like ARM server spec that Redhat etc support for arm servers expets UEFI
<lanefu> theres no uboot nonsense
<archetech> hmm really they solved it?
<lanefu> yeah
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<archetech> wow what am I doing here lol
<lanefu> like i setup qemu/kvm on my one of my OPIs and used a debian installer, and it just did like a noral install
<lanefu> there's even like a UEFI port to u-boot
<archetech> right thats the ticket
<lanefu> but that imples u-boot stillbooted
<archetech> I was reading about that today a bit
<archetech> they got a netinstall thats does a debootstrap
<lanefu> yeah the librecomputer are goign that route to try to make a universal image for their stuffs
<lanefu> so the crazy thing that I wanna do is figure out how to make an armbian AMI for AWS A1. instances
<archetech> ok you onto something now
<archetech> same here
<lanefu> like it would serve much purpose other than being able to test some of the userspace add-ons armbian has
<lanefu> and bragging rights of coursee
<lanefu> the _real_ reason to do anything
<archetech> for some maybe
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<archetech> I see the dev shortage being a big issue cant focus on homogeneous stuff too much variety chaos
<lanefu> alright try Armbian_20.02.0-archetech_Rock64_buster_dev_5.4.0-rc1_minimal.7z
<archetech> ok will do
<lanefu> yeah dev shortage is a huge issue.... we at least have things grouped by board family now
<lanefu> but the whole project is unusually because its chasing tons of little moving targets
<lanefu> *unusual
<lanefu> and it takes a bit to understand all the layers involved in making a SBC run and using the build tools etc
<archetech> grabbing .img 7z just adds effort
<lanefu> ya thats cool... i usually dont compress my images at all
<archetech> oh yeah this arm stuff isnt like x64
<lanefu> you were being cranky about downloading stuff earlier so i thought you might have bandwidth constraints
<archetech> mainly cuz of uboot imo
<archetech> I get that was how it had to be but now days cmon
<archetech> I was?
<archetech> I got 2 mb /sec !
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<archetech> whats to be cranky about heh
<lanefu> oh it wasnt about the image just like etcher or something
<archetech> ya that thing
<archetech> not dl speed
<lanefu> i get it tho i dont us etcher either because nodejs is a crime
<archetech> yes it is
<archetech> I like how you think lane
<lanefu> we tell people to use etcher because idiot proof
<archetech> yup I get that
<lanefu> what really kills me is that like a lot of the cool modern cli tools are written in node
<archetech> prtability?
<archetech> port
<lanefu> no its front-end devs being clever on their macs
<archetech> lmao
<archetech> prolly
<lanefu> golang tools make me the happiest because they cross-compile super easy
<lanefu> and static binary
<archetech> musl everywhere !
<archetech> while were at it throw out gcc and use clang
<lanefu> yeah musl shits on python and makes it slow https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/
<archetech> dev wars are interesting
<lanefu> yeah... so are infra wars
<lanefu> im a hashicorp fanboy in a k* world
<archetech> so you dont like touching sbc's eh
<archetech> pure coder or what
<archetech> and whats the 032 in the image name represent?
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<lanefu> Im a devops/sre person.. i use SBCs for clustering n stuff mostly. The armbian build system is what interests me
<lanefu> wb TRS-80
<archetech> yes it is very interesting you 'd like the LFS script that auto build the whole thing
<archetech> we dont tell anybody abou that heh
<archetech> but if they stumble across it I help
<lanefu> lol
<archetech> sry no go again
<lanefu> bummer
<lanefu> ya thats probably about as far as I can take it w/o having the board or logs
<archetech> yeah ive tried all the images from armbian that are newer than 4.4 nuttin working
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<archetech> thanks at least ya got one guys experience see if others come along
<archetech> makes me want ot order a serial cable
<archetech> to
<archetech> out of curiosity
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<archetech> but I still feel armbian should have a dev for this
<archetech> why say a board is supported if it just boots one image
<lanefu> "supported" is a touchy subject
<archetech> but arch does that too supported but only boots doesnt compile worth a dang
<archetech> so here I sit
<archetech> lol
<lanefu> ohhh
<lanefu> yeah so thats teh difference between a BSP kernel and a mainline kernel
<archetech> whats bsp mean
<lanefu> "Board Support Package"
<archetech> what armbian is saying is in effect when we had ayufan we had a supported rock64
<archetech> 2020 not so much heh
<lanefu> so the SoC manufacturer builds like a basatrdizd kernel with unclean mods and blobs and chucks it over the wall
<archetech> yup I get that
<lanefu> the situation is getting better because gooogle is requiring systems to run new kernels and keep them patched to be compliant for newer versions of android
<archetech> what armbian is saying is in effect when we had ayufan we had a supported rock64 this is truth
<lanefu> yes thats a fair assememnt
<archetech> dont meran its forever gonna work
<archetech> mean
<archetech> which is ok
<archetech> part of the journay
<archetech> ey
<lanefu> yeah so if we dont get much traction, might have to demote the board to CSC
<archetech> yeah thats armbians call
<archetech> glad we had this time to iron it out
<TRS-80> Happy Friday lanefu! :D
<lanefu> indeed
<lanefu> archetech: yeah i think we ironed a hole in it
* TRS-80 is very pleased with XMPP -> BitlBee -> weechat -> desktop notification he set up today
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> one notification system to rule them all
<TRS-80> sorry, you guys continue :)
<archetech> just rm -rf *.img
<archetech> and keep on trucking
<archetech> na TRS-80 we just gabbin
<archetech> did some heavy testing on rock64 is all
<lanefu> TRS-80: desktop? i figured you just had some fullscreen emacs
<TRS-80> XD
<lanefu> seriously if you get mqtt goin with hass lemme know cuz thatd be dope
<TRS-80> MQTT is quite easy actually, esp with HASS
<lanefu> yeah i meant with wechat
<TRS-80> well, I shouldn't say the latter, no direct exp, but I would imagine
<lanefu> i've got uhhh a few things on hass
<TRS-80> well XMPP itself is pretty easy
<lanefu> XMPP thats jabber right?
<TRS-80> I been browsing scripts lately, noticed there is (at least) one for MQTT
<TRS-80> sorry I keep writing one for the other
<TRS-80> I meant MQTT
<TRS-80> but yes, XMPP = Jabber
<TRS-80> script for weechat for MQTT, check it out (I have not played yet but don't imagine it would be difficult)
<lanefu> sweet now I can turn the light on whenever Igor logs in
<TRS-80> exactly XD
<TRS-80> er, requires rather
<lanefu> yeah thats what im lookin at
<TRS-80> AMQP (https://weechat.org/scripts/source/amqp_notify.rb.html/) IIRC is somewhat closely related
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<lanefu> yeah...heavier duty message queue
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<TRS-80> mqtt script for weechat actually quite short
<TRS-80> I have bunches of 433Mhz devices piling up I haven't had time to play with yet (for HA)
<TRS-80> but my IP camera sends motion notifications via MQTT to openHAB, that's why I know a little about it
<lanefu> what are you using as a gateway
<TRS-80> hard or software?
<lanefu> for the 433 hardware
<TRS-80> I thought I would build https://docs.openmqttgateway.com/
<TRS-80> seems most universal option
<TRS-80> and as far as TX/RX, from what I read the key is to spend penies more on the "superheterodyne" ones
<TRS-80> it's more important one way (TX or RX) than the other, but I'd have to check my notes for which
<TRS-80> but we are talking 0.80 for TX/RX pair vs ~1.something so who cares
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> yeah id like some 433 for buttons that last a long time
<TRS-80> Yes I have bunch of cheap buttons in different form factors I am excited to try out, but haven't had time yet
<TRS-80> yes, easy, and how much are those? lol I don't have your kind of money XD
<sarnold> man they used to give those things away. we had one in my office way back when, it was good fun to smack that thing after a stupid meeting
<lanefu> the feather? ya its a little pricey, but had a lipo controller in it
<lanefu> otherwise i get like d1 mini clones
<lanefu> sarnold: did you have the spanish one?
<sarnold> lanefu: no, english
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<archetech> gn
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<TRS-80> didn't realize lipo controller, no wonder the Swiss guy so keen on them :)
<TRS-80> lanefu: You do any arm on arm kvm emulation?
<TRS-80> Or I guess the supported build environment is Ubuntu? Only x86/64?
<TRS-80> s/emulation/virtualization
<TRS-80> $10 for easy button?! I only gave $2-3 each /shipped/ for 1-3 button 433mhz units!
<lanefu> TRS-80: but do your easy buttons say facil?
<TRS-80> They are nice and plain, exactly as I prefer. :)
<lanefu> so yeeah 64bit arm has VT instructions.. i've done an arm VM on arm
<lanefu> yeah build is x86/64 only... partly because the linaro toolchain is really only for x86 i think
<TRS-80> my understanding is begginning with armv7, ie like Cubietruck for virt stuff
<lanefu> yeah that may be right
<lanefu> i wish i had taken notes
<lanefu> lemme double check
<TRS-80> I just looked up like last night, so pretty sure
<TRS-80> no need, I'm not quoting you ;)
<TRS-80> anyway I was more interested in what you use your ARM Docker swarm for then, if not Armbian build farm?
<TRS-80> or are you VM x86 on ARM?!
<TRS-80> because qemu supports that (I learned recently)
<TRS-80> it's quite amazing platform, actually
<lanefu> yeah armbian builder uses the qemu arm emulation for the debootstrap stage of the image
<TRS-80> oh neat
<lanefu> TRS-80: i run a scheduler called nomad
<lanefu> so arm farm has stuff like load balacner /ssl termination, codimd, a tool for converting youtube to podcasts, nginx servers to expose file shares, a job for maintainting my own debian and ubuntu mirror.. letsencryt renewalls
<lanefu> and a few other litle odds and ends
<lanefu> my favorite are the cpu agnostic jobs, they'll launc on arm32, arm64,or x86 depending on what resources are available
<TRS-80> I had to look up codimd. Wow you really are in to MArkdown
<lanefu> yeah i love it
<TRS-80> I kept all my notes in a TiddlyWiki (self contained editable wiki) before I moved to Orgmode
<TRS-80> it was the tables that got me
<TRS-80> but that was Markdown, basically
<TRS-80> lanefu: you are on Linux desktop, right?
<lanefu> sometimes....pretty much ubuntu mate everywhere.... ssh'd into my orangepi prime from my mac right now
<lanefu> i was using this with mate earlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPD_Win
<TRS-80> lanefu: Just as a for instance, install Emacs and paste this in there: https://termbin.com/fvyo Then move rows/columns around by putting cursor in them and Alt+arrow keys
<TRS-80> GUI is recommended over terminal version, but you are already in console...
<TRS-80> Oh yeah put it in org mode by Alt-M org-mode (auto complete supported)
<TRS-80> sorry Alt-X
<TRS-80> Jeex
<TRS-80> Jeez
<lanefu> Need to get 75.2 MB of archives.
<lanefu> After this operation, 289 MB of additional disk space will be used.
<lanefu> just a few depdendencies
<TRS-80> it's an OS
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> is this console version?
<lanefu> yeah apt install emacs
<TRS-80> plain "emacs" I think brings in GUI (At least in Debian)
<lanefu> in its defense im running it from an ubuntu continer
<TRS-80> there is non gui package
<TRS-80> at least on Debian
<TRS-80> but GUI is "easier" and actually recommmended for lots of reasons (and is what I even use)
<lanefu> oh yeah its def adding gui stuff i saw imagemagik and fonts
<TRS-80> here is a post I made trying to explain to someone when/how/why I saw the light: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/10844/hobbyist-project-management-pdm/2?lang=en-US
<lanefu> it does seem pretty cool
<lanefu> did you ever use task warrior?
<TRS-80> I came across it in my PIM quest
<lanefu> i love it conceptually
<TRS-80> I still do use todo.txt for some things, mainly shopping lists
<TRS-80> of course there is a todo.txt mode in Emacs :D
<TRS-80> Emacs to me is best for project management, notes, links, files, etc...
<TRS-80> small tables, etc...
<lanefu> this might blow your mind
<TRS-80> todo.txt (which I have nice appropriate client on Android) better for shopping lists and simple things
<TRS-80> lanefu: Not at all. Let me explain. I began on paper also. Then I found GTD which is actually a technology agnostic, more of "philosophy" or system (i.e., you can do it on paper, or computer, whatever).
<lanefu> yep "trust the system"
<TRS-80> But to me the editing and moving around of information is better suited to computers/devices/phones. But a key caveat to that is you must have a device available at all times to capture ideas, thoughts, random grocery list items, etc..
<TRS-80> exactly
<lanefu> i read it
<lanefu> well half of it
<TRS-80> half is enough to get the idea
<TRS-80> I don't follow it all religiously, but there are some good concepts in there
<TRS-80> lanefu: You play with that table yet? :)
<lanefu> i made a scratch buffer
<lanefu> and paste that url
<TRS-80> did that work?
<TRS-80> probably need to go to url, just copy text of table
<lanefu> ohh
<lanefu> ok
<TRS-80> paste in Emacs is C-y (Yank)
<lanefu> i thought this was instaling a plugin or something
<TRS-80> you will need to also switch "mode" as I mentioned above to get the Org functionality in that buffer
<TRS-80> table stuff is part of Org
<lanefu> how do i org mode
<lanefu> i have zero emacs skills im a vim person
<TRS-80> In Emacs (which is old school) "Meta" means Alt
<TRS-80> so M-x means Alt-x
<TRS-80> which opens general command
<TRS-80> then org-mode
<TRS-80> (there is also auto complete there)
<TRS-80> so like or <tab> - mo <tab> should do it
<TRS-80> or somehting; then you should se "Org" in the mode line at bottom
<TRS-80> rather "(Org)"
<TRS-80> you with me so far?
<lanefu> failing i may be in keepmap purgatory
<lanefu> its time for me to dabble in slumber
<TRS-80> C-g to back out
<TRS-80> or ESC 3x
<TRS-80> wait we are almost there! :D
<TRS-80> you are in scratch buffer?
<lanefu> yep
<lanefu> im not getting Alt-x to work
<TRS-80> thats weird
<TRS-80> should get prompt at bottom
<lanefu> i have a feeling it has to do with my terminal sesion
<lanefu> ill try again tomrrow ish
<lanefu> later
<TRS-80> yeah if term is intercepting it
<TRS-80> alright man, gn :)
<TRS-80> try on GUI desktop, easier
<Werner__> Good morning people
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<TRS-80> Evening, Werner__! :)
<Werner__> Guess now I am the one with the nice cup of coffee :P
<TRS-80> Passing each other again at shift change, I see. :)
<Werner__> Working out decent ;)
<TRS-80> Yes, I just finished some delicious cold tasty adult beverages! :D
<Werner__> Enjoy
<TRS-80> I think I will be up for a few yet, but maybe off reading.
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<poddingue> Finally found Armbian IRC! ☺
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<phipli_lurk> hey folks - I have Armbian (Stretch) installed on a Rock64, with an external USB hard disk connected. lsusb -D shows that the device is connected as usb "3.10", but I'm only getting USB 2 speeds.
<phipli_lurk> If I run "dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1.img bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync" I get 26.6MB/S
<phipli_lurk> I've tried the same with the disk connected to my laptop and get 83.7MB/s
<phipli_lurk> Does anybody have any suggestions for how I might improve this? It is a bit of a shame as it is my NAS, I wasn't expecting this bottleneck
<archetech> try plugging it into the usb3 portnot usb2?
<phipli_lurk> archetech: on the assumption that they've not put the wrong coloured socket on the usb connections, it is already connected to the blue one and, like I said, lsusb is saying that it is a USB 3 connection
<phipli_lurk> but good point :)
<archetech> gotta chk the basics
<phipli_lurk> yeah, same reason I tested the disk on another machine - check it wasn't just the disk being really useless
<archetech> are you full updated?
<phipli_lurk> I've run apt update and apt upgrade
<phipli_lurk> (and rebooted)
<c0rnelius> phipli_lurk - what kernel you running?
<phipli_lurk> 4.4.192-rockchip64
<archetech> I have same board not sure if my speed is right I can boot it after my pogo is updated
<phipli_lurk> thanks
<archetech> I run 197 kern on mine seems ok
<c0rnelius> i've personally never seen the rk3328's get true usb3 speeds. but some peps say it does. i myself gave up on that long ago, but the 4.4.x kernel is supposed to be to get you close,
<c0rnelius> be able*
<phipli_lurk> its been a really good board - as a homemade NAS (rock64 actually velcro'd to the side of a RAID 2.5" USB3 drive) it has way more CPU power than I have needed
<c0rnelius> i found it to unstable. i ended up getting an atomicpi to replace it. works great.
<phipli_lurk> but I have to admit that I thougth the speed bottleneck was something I'd done wrong in the network, untill I tested it from the commandline
<phipli_lurk> I have an atomicpi that I have hardly used
<phipli_lurk> other than to test the power adapters I was selling :)
<c0rnelius> i use mine as a NAS and for deluge
<c0rnelius> works great. download the debian-non-free iso and off to the races
<phipli_lurk> they were quite a steal, although the price has slowly crept up including delivery etc
<c0rnelius> the rk3328 is now a web server for my home security cams
<c0rnelius> really? i saw a good deal on amazon the other day
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<c0rnelius> even came with a cam. only thing not included was the power supply.
<emOne> does armbian boot on any amlogic s905x3 cpu yet?
<c0rnelius> was like $35
<emOne> what is that c0rnelius? rpi?
<c0rnelius> emOne - talking about the AtomicPi
<emOne> cool
<c0rnelius> it's an x86 SBC
<emOne> oh wow
<c0rnelius> cheap too
<phipli_lurk> Getting them shipped + taxes ends with a price more like $55
<lanefu> yeah.. i have 2 atomic pis
<lanefu> like.. they're weird
<c0rnelius> it was prime delivery i recall
<phipli_lurk> yeah - they're missing some common interfaces emOne
<phipli_lurk> like a power jack :)
<emOne> they shouldn't have used the name Pi though imho.. it makes it sound like it is a pi like SBC, i.e. arm powered
<c0rnelius> i agree
<c0rnelius> i like it non-the-less. does what it is supposed too in the headless department
<lanefu> see https://www.reddit.com/r/Atomic_Pi/ for backstory and way sto power
<emOne> it reminds me of Duke Nukem 3D,,, atomic edition
<phipli_lurk> c0rnelius: yeah, basically an UDOO x86, but massively cheaper
<emOne> lol
<lanefu> I was using one for a desktp for a while.. but 2G ram was just not cutting it as much as i tried
<c0rnelius> really good deal on it
<c0rnelius> just need a power supply
<emOne> the chinese have started producing their own x86 cpu
<emOne> has anyone read about it?
<phipli_lurk> don't think so
<phipli_lurk> any good?
<lanefu> I heard it was actually a license from an AMD design
<emOne> phipli_lurk: it only came out on my news feed a day ago or so
<lanefu> c0rnelius: oh yeah thats a much better deal with the power board and camera bundle..
<phipli_lurk> lanefu: ah right, yeah, I knew there was a first gen ryzen based chip that was china only
<emOne> apparently it has the performance equivalent to an i5 from 2 years ago
<phipli_lurk> built under licence
<c0rnelius> lanefu - yeah. it's hard resist getting another one looking at that :)
<c0rnelius> just to have
<emOne> I was under the impression that it was impossible for anyone other than intel, amd and some other company to actually manufacture x86 designs because of the inter traded license deals
<lanefu> i'm planing on making one of mine just run makemkv with a blueray drive
<emOne> that heat sink on the atomic pi is huge
<emOne> no wonder it is atomic
<lanefu> emOne: the atomic pi's are surplus robot hearts
<c0rnelius> wish they made a case or something for it. i just have mine on standoffs
<emOne> lanefu: hehe!#
<c0rnelius> sitting in a cab with a bunch of drives and usb hub
<phipli_lurk> c0rnelius: yeah, mine is on standoffs
<phipli_lurk> I meant to make a board to plug into the "webcam" port to get another USB
<phipli_lurk> forgot about that
<phipli_lurk> c0rnelius: the atomic pi + camera deal - they wont deliver it to Europe
<emOne> $35 is quite the bargain
<c0rnelius> that is one thing about it. you need powered usb hub to take advantage of the usb3 port
<lanefu> you'll LOL at mine.. i had 90 degree headers. so my power supply is a kickstand https://photos.app.goo.gl/3yQytkCGyQzhtMHU7
<c0rnelius> phipli_lurk - that blows
<emOne> phipli_lurk: I had a look over here and I am seeing the atomic pi for about €70
<emOne> someone is selling a case though
<c0rnelius> i've heard they are more expensive outside the US
<phipli_lurk> lanefu: I made a load of these, and have standoffs at the other end : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atomic-Pi-Custom-Adapter-Power-Board-5-5mm-x-2-1mm-Jack/184032564434
<emOne> oh yes.. it is only sold on ebay here by the looks of it
<emOne> how is the gpu?
<phipli_lurk> c0rnelius: my first one was about $48 all in for tax/postage/board
<phipli_lurk> emOne: where are you? Which landmass?
<archetech> nice larm Kernel: 5.4.15-1-ARCH armv5tel
<emOne> phipli_lurk: continental europe
<emOne> I thought the € may have been a giveaway
<phipli_lurk> yeah - you could buy them using amazon.com at first (instead of your local amazon) but they seem to have stopped delivering to europe now
<lanefu> Oh... and my buddy made a trailer about the atomic pi -- https://youtu.be/VifM5P3cb1Y
<phipli_lurk> emOne: didn't see you euro-ing
<phipli_lurk> :)
<emOne> lol
<emOne> hehe
<Werner__> I created a new channel #armbian-rss just for the heck of it. Working basically the same as #armbian-github but pushes new forum posts to the channel. Only the topic with link though.
<emOne> phipli_lurk: so does armbian work fine with the s905x3?
<lanefu> Werner__: cool
<lanefu> Werner__: you gotta add twitter mentions too
<emOne> "phipli_lurk: yeah - they're missing some common interfaces emOne "
<emOne> I am not sure what you were referring to
<Werner__> lanefu, Yeah but they probably do not need an extra channel =)
<lanefu> Werner__: i meant add twitter mentions to rss
<Werner__> Ah, yeah. Let me check if this is possible real quick
<phipli_lurk> emOne: no idea - I have some older s905 somewhere, but wouldn't know
<emOne> I am checking the wiki
<phipli_lurk> emOne: I meant that they don't have a barrel jack or USB. Powering through a IDC connector is unusual
<phipli_lurk> emOne: at the time we were talking about they were a little different to most SBCs
<emOne> oh okay I thought you were referring to the s905x3
<emOne> never mind
<emOne> I wonder if the atomic pi will run csgo
<emOne> mini gaming box :)
<phipli_lurk> I think I put steam on my UDOO (same processor I think)
<phipli_lurk> but I didn't install csgo
<emOne> try hehe
<emOne> the source engine is quite old already
<emOne> I wouldn't be surprised if it work
<emOne> works
<phipli_lurk> emOne : I stole the SSD from it for my firefly aio3399 if I remember...
* emOne goes back to his pi zero
<phipli_lurk> I should get more cheap SSDs so that I can run machines without stealing disks...
<emOne> heh
<emOne> they are coming down in price too
<phipli_lurk> I put retropi on my zero and have hardly used it other than that
<phipli_lurk> spent ages playing GT on the playstation emulator with a friend
<emOne> I have the same issues.. I myself need to get more SD cards for the arm boards
<phipli_lurk> SD cards are /amazingly/ cheap these days
<emOne> yea
<phipli_lurk> what is it, £6 for 32GB?
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<emOne> did the playstation emulator actually work on the pi zero?
<emOne> really? that is amazing!
<phipli_lurk> £9 for 64GB
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<phipli_lurk> emOne : the playstation seems to emulate easier than the Nintendo stuff
<emOne> awesome
<emOne> I believe the pi zero actually has a good gpu
<emOne> it is just the cpu that is a bit underpowered
<phipli_lurk> random youtube video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEG1ETTjdSw
<emOne> the n64 is interesting because it isn't fully emulated but rather the gpu instructions are translated into openGL instructions
<emOne> it is only the cpu logic that is emulated
<emOne> pentium 2 machines could emulate the n64
<emOne> phipli_lurk: are you actually from the uk=
<emOne> ?
<phipli_lurk> yup
<emOne> happy brexit
<emOne> :)
<phipli_lurk> :'(
<emOne> Please come back for us continental mainlanders once you guys sort everything out
<phipli_lurk> I'm only half british - need to sort out a passport to maintain my freedom
<phipli_lurk> entitled to an irish passport
<emOne> european "freedom"
<emOne> the EU freedom that we once knew is history I am afraid
<emOne> there is no freedom here
<phipli_lurk> I was thinking of the ability to go places without needing a visa
<emOne> I understand
<emOne> I am sure the UK will make visa arrangments
<emOne> but Ireland is actually quite a good citizenship to get
<emOne> ireland is a thousand times better than continental europe regarding freedom
<phipli_lurk> it is an interesting (and complciated) halfway, because we have pre-existing agreements for freedom of movement
<phipli_lurk> which means we're still free to work in a EU country without any effort
<emOne> is that in the 11 month transition period?
<phipli_lurk> with ireland, forever
<emOne> true
<emOne> I honestly think the UK will be fine
<emOne> and I am sure it will get reciprocal visa agreements very soon
<phipli_lurk> we'll manage, but the thing that bugs me is that I feel like national policy is being set based on racism and years of governments blaming the EU for their own cockups
<phipli_lurk> ... and that isn't healthy
<emOne> no it isn't healthy at all
<emOne> but it came out of nowhere
<emOne> I remember it was only ukip and nigel farage who used to compare the EU to communist socialism
<emOne> and everyone else used to have a different political stance
<emOne> he wasn't wrong about the EU being socialist I don't think
<phipli_lurk> but when did that become a bad thing?
<emOne> but he was wrong about the the type of socialist flavour they have in the EU
<phipli_lurk> we used to be even more left than most of europe
<emOne> well national socialism didn't end up well for the german nazi party for instance
<phipli_lurk> yeah, but you get arseholes under every label
<emOne> I honestly don't know any country where socialism has actually worked
<phipli_lurk> its shades of grey though
<emOne> kinky
<emOne> lol
<phipli_lurk> behave
<emOne> hahh
<phipli_lurk> *it isn't black and white though
<emOne> lol I understand
* phipli_lurk substitutes the phrases in his go too list of stock phrases
<phipli_lurk> *to
<emOne> heheh nahh leave that phrase in
<emOne> that is a funny one to have and a grat convrsation starter perhaps
<emOne> phipli_lurk: where did cornelius and lanefu go?
<phipli_lurk> to be honest, it might explain why our government dropped the ball
<emOne> why is that?
<phipli_lurk> they were distracted by shades of grey
<lanefu> netsplits
<lanefu> irc's oldest weakness
<emOne> phipli_lurk: how is the mood back in Britain?
<emOne> are people relieved, anxious, happy or scared?
<phipli_lurk> In my circles, depressed, resigned and tired of it all. mostly taking care not to cause arguments because there is a lot of strong feelings
<phipli_lurk> there is such a devide with very little overlap that it is difficult to see much of the other side of the argument
<phipli_lurk> my facebook feed is full of yellow stars on blue backgrounds
<emOne> Logically speaking at least every second person voted for a brexit in the referendum. I am surprised that a lot of people do show their support for the EU
<emOne> at least in "educated circles"
<emOne> stastically speaking though,, even in educated circles people must have also voted for a brexit
<emOne> of course not as many
<phipli_lurk> our buisnesses are very intertwined + most of our sales are in europe
<emOne> but I just think they are not admitting it publicly
<phipli_lurk> we have much to rebuild if we want to be prosperous - we don't have the internal market that the states does
<phipli_lurk> or china for that matter
<emOne> phipli_lurk: europe is going to crash out
<Werner__> Could be a bit more complicated as this Twitter thing may need a api key and stuff but I'll stay tuned for that.
<phipli_lurk> emOne: the divide was mainly young people voted to stay and old to leave
<emOne> ahh yes I remember
<phipli_lurk> the second most prominent divide was university educated to stay, and school only to leave
<emOne> I have an economy teacher on my facebook who was strongly against a Brexit
<lanefu> Werner__: cool
<emOne> and he is a great teacher too so I think he knows what he is speaking about
<emOne> phipli_lurk: have you seen the movie Bexit?
<phipli_lurk> nope
<phipli_lurk> whats it about? action adventure? romance?
<archetech> phipli_lurk: im ready for usb test
<emOne> Sorry typo .. Brexit
<emOne> it came out in 2019
<emOne> are you in a p2p scenes?
<phipli_lurk> archetech: I just ran "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1.img bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync" in a directory on the USB3 drive
<archetech> ok
<phipli_lurk> emOne: what do you mean?
<emOne> nvm
<emOne> the movie is quite good at explaining how the Brexit campaign actually convinced people to vote for the Brexit
<phipli_lurk> yes - there was much of the "detail is bad, feeling is good" and "make up a number and then laugh at anyone who tries to prove that you made it up"
<phipli_lurk> it is easy to be slick when you're talking shit, because it always sounds good
* phipli_lurk quietens down before he upsets someone with a different opinion
<emOne> or before you are going to be accused of being a russian troll
<phipli_lurk> heh
<emOne> russian trolls - the biggest scam of the century
<emOne> assume you are the governemtn
<emOne> assume you have unhappy citizens
<emOne> assume you have unhappy citizens who share their own negative thoughts online on different platforms
<phipli_lurk> in russia, we use single sentences and sharable memes to quickly cause people to start their own fights
<emOne> lol
<emOne> no but really
<emOne> what if these so called russian bots are not bots
<emOne> but in reality are just your own unhappy citizens sharing their frustrations online
<emOne> ;)
<phipli_lurk> what if they're from Litchenstein?
<emOne> good point
<phipli_lurk> Never trusted anyone who calls their capital city the same thing as their country
<emOne> hahaha
<archetech> phipli_lurk: well crap 1.1 GB, 1.0 GiB) copied, 69.8198 s, 15.4 MB/s
<phipli_lurk> archetech: then I'm doing well :s
<phipli_lurk> with my 26MB
<archetech> yes but its not right
<phipli_lurk> hum
<emOne> I heard that putin can hack your brain and make you vote for whomever he tells you to vote for
<emOne> who makes that stuff up???
<phipli_lurk> emOne: people from Litchenstein?
<emOne> LOLLLL
<emOne> btw the brexit movie features Benedict Cumberbatch
<emOne> it really is quite a good movie
<emOne> apart from making you angry perhaps at imes
<phipli_lurk> I have work for that :)
<phipli_lurk> although first week back after Christmas I got to play with debian on a beaglebone all week (that is not my job. at all)
<emOne> playing around with any SBC is very relaxing
<emOne> apart from when you get frustrated that nothing ever works quite as planned
<emOne> like ever
<phipli_lurk> yeah, thankfully we got it sorted by the Thursday, in good time for their flight on Saturday
<phipli_lurk> emOne : especially when you're (they were) the type of person who pulls out the power instead of shutting down, and doesn't change default passwords
<phipli_lurk> (I changed the password to one telling them off for not changing the password)
<archetech> we can solve the brexit issue after getting this usb3 to work right
<phipli_lurk> archetech: excellent, two birds with one stone
<emOne> they must have been russian or north korean agents obviously
<emOne> /sarcasm
<archetech> its a uboot/kernel patch thats missing I beleive
<archetech> or maybe a setting somewhere
<emOne> I found secret footage of russia hacking into US brains -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM
<emOne> not clickbaiting
<emOne> I promise
<phipli_lurk> emOne: how can I trust you to follow that link - it might hack my brain?
<emOne> LOL ;)
<emOne> ;)
<phipli_lurk> archetech: thanks for checking that it wasn't just me - that helps with my piece of mind as a starter
<archetech> mercury fillings turn your head into a radio
<emOne> too late phipli_lurk.. it is enough that you just look at the link address ;) your brain has a parser that has been hacked :(
<phipli_lurk> archetech: I've googled around a bit, but nobody seems to be mentioning low transfer speeds - the arch lot seemed to be having USB3 not working at all issues on the rock64
<phipli_lurk> emOne: ahha! jokes on you, I can't even spell my parser is so broken!
<emOne> hahahah
<archetech> phi yes its a known issue with this board
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<emOne> phipli_lurk: that is what the internet is for in my honest opinion
<emOne> anyone has the right to information and freedom of speech and expression
<phipli_lurk> I thought it was for sharing pictures of cats
<emOne> me too
<emOne> lol
<phipli_lurk> archetech : the speed or not working at all?
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<pikudoz> Werner__: there is a telegram channel forum posts https://t.me/armbian_forum
<archetech> phi I gave you the speed I got why that ?
<archetech> you mean eslewhere ?
<archetech> else
<archetech> ive heard of low speed and totally broke
<archetech> varies by chipset in the usb external drive not just the OS
<archetech> I have a know bad as2105/10xx chip
<emOne> do .img files for arm devices typically have a linux parition?
<lanefu> emOne: yes
<archetech> mine is externally powered too that can make a diff board cant supply enough power to a drive
<emOne> lanefu: I guess the only way to properly edit the image is through a linux distro
<emOne> is that correct?
<emOne> I am on mac os
<lanefu> emOne: yep
<lanefu> there's a few permutations that have a fat partition
<lanefu> but most are just using ext4
<emOne> thanks
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<lanefu> emOne: in csae you havent done it before,... losetup -f -P file.img;lsblk;mount -o /dev/loopXpX /dest/path
<emOne> lanefu: hmm thank you
<emOne> no I have never done it like that
<emOne> lanefu: is there an issue doing it using debian or ubuntu ?
<emOne> i mean using the gui
<emOne> it is the first time I hear about losetup
<lanefu> i dunno if you acn use the gui or not
<lanefu> never tried :P
<lanefu> basically losetup is the most critical ting to know about.. that takes the image and turns into a "loopback" block device
<lanefu> then it can be treated like a disk but with afunny name
<archetech> phipli_lurk: different usb dock 537 MB, 512 MiB) copied, 19.5253 s, 27.5 MB/s
<lanefu> what command are you using for testing disk io?
<phipli_lurk> archetech : interesting. I might try a different disk too
<phipli_lurk> Just dd
<lanefu> what parameters
<phipli_lurk> "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1.img bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync"
<phipli_lurk> for write
<lanefu> interesting that your using a block sie of 1G
<lanefu> havent approahced it that way before
<phipli_lurk> I haven't thought too much about the implications - just following instructions off the web
<lanefu> in another terminal you could run `iostat -mx 5` to see where the constraints area
<lanefu> check out bonnie++ for slightly more intelligent benchmarking
<phipli_lurk> Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rMB/s wMB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await r_await w_await svctm %util
<phipli_lurk> mtdblock0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
<phipli_lurk> sda 0.00 2.20 0.20 53.60 0.00 25.81 982.39 80.38 1504.16 300.00 1508.66 18.59 100.00
<phipli_lurk> mmcblk1 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
<phipli_lurk> zram0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
<phipli_lurk> zram1 0.00 0.00 2.80 1155.80 0.01 4.51 8.00 0.05 0.04 0.00 0.04 0.04 4.96
<archetech> seems volker over at OMV jst banned all sbc's heh
<phipli_lurk> :s
<archetech> im starting to understand that logic with this board
<phipli_lurk> what has he done?
<archetech> his poor forum is prolly inubdated with sbc flaw talk
<archetech> inundated*
<phipli_lurk> heh
<phipli_lurk> it wouldn't probably be so bad if so many of them weren't built to a price, while trying to have all the headline features
<archetech> who wants a nas at usb2 speeds
<phipli_lurk> "Now with 10GB ethernet and thunderbolt! (PCB made from cardboard)
<phipli_lurk> archetech: it reads at a little better speeds
<phipli_lurk> but it would be nice if it worked... properly :)
* archetech stares at that amazon $36 atomic pi deal
<phipli_lurk> archetech: /me stares at atomic pi sat in other room
<phipli_lurk> but... I like /small/ computers
<phipli_lurk> my vpn runs on an orange pi zero
<archetech> ill have to research IT'S flaws seems every dang sbc has something broke on it no matter what
<phipli_lurk> and it makes me laugh that the USB disk on the NAS is about 3x the size of the computer
<phipli_lurk> archetech: there is a lot to be said for running your headless server / NAS on an old laptop with a broken screen that someone gave you for free
<lanefu> archetech: there _are_ some good SBCs out there.. whats your requirement
<phipli_lurk> built in UPS for a start
<archetech> lanefu: just want a good KDE desktop
<archetech> that runs wayland plasma
<lanefu> hmmm
<lanefu> so I'm using an odroid n2 as a desktop without any like gpu acceleration or anything and its stupid fast
<archetech> we havent even spoke about that yet and its a mess mesa-lima/panfrost wise
<archetech> gotta have gpu accel
<lanefu> nvidia jetson is king of working gpu on arm
<lanefu> but you're not getting performance per dollar on that
<archetech> yeah id go x86 at that point
<lanefu> if you're willing to stick with vendor images... then you'll haev better lick with it being fully optimized
<lanefu> hardkernel does a good job on that front
<phipli_lurk> yeah - I've found hardkernel stuff to be good out the box
<lanefu> their stuff is more expensive, but there's a lot of engineering quality all over
<lanefu> plus their shipping from korea is fast
<lanefu> so i just order direct from them
<lanefu> otherwise i've liked most of hte orangepi stuff as far as using with armbian
<lanefu> its just a screwy ecosystem
<archetech> yeah I like the opi 4b specs
<ashthespy> lanefu What about a decent board to do some routing/QoS that doesn't break the bank?
<lanefu> QoS is the cpu intensive part
<lanefu> what are you performance expectations there
<ashthespy> Have a gigabit fibre uplink..
<lanefu> with real QoS?
<ashthespy> Would like to give it a shot - from what I have been reading though, that is x86 territory..
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> i mean some of the newer SoCs are probably okay at that, but i dunno
<lanefu> and like.. nothing has more than 1 port thats real
<ashthespy> second port is via USB
<lanefu> yeah that just feels so janky
<lanefu> i have dreams of porting VyOS to insatll ontop of armbian
<lanefu> and then the world becomes amazing
<lanefu> i pinged hte vyos guys about their interst but they didnt seem interesting... one have a build for a clearfrog or something, but that was it
<ashthespy> Didn't know of that, thanks!
<lanefu> ashthespy: i'd go x86 with vyos, or buy like a mikrotic or a med-level Ubiquti Edgerouter
<ashthespy> Will probably end up with an Odroid H2, but wanted to give arm a shot for the power usage..
<ashthespy> I have a mikrotic routerboard, need to set it up..
<lanefu> i've had a Edgerouter Lite for foreve,r and its just awesome....but QoS would crush cpu.. but it can do 1gig forwarding accross interfaces
<archetech> working usb3 and ability to compile at -j3 is all I hoped for I knew the gpu would be a challenge
<lanefu> slightly relevant.. mostly an FYI.. https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench/blob/master/Results.md
<archetech> always wanted a 3 port mikrotec router board
<ashthespy> Just picked up the RB3011UiAS, need to find the time to set it up..
<archetech> I use ipfire on spare x86 box when the urge hits instead
<archetech> 3 nics done
<phipli_lurk> has anyone used one of the pinebooks or pinebook pros?
<archetech> costs about $60 to run per yr though
<ashthespy> Hmm, I was just trying to connect to a wifi network using `nmtui-connect` but didn't get authenticated. However, `nmcli` didn't have any issues connecting. Any ideas where to look?
<IgorPec> lanefu
<lanefu> Hey IgorPec
<IgorPec> hej ... about VERSION for master. when and where to move it?
<IgorPec> in the moment we make v20.02-rc1 shell we move master to v20.02-rc2 ...? or leave the same?
<IgorPec> shall :)
<lanefu> oh right
<lanefu> you ahead a great idea the other day lemem look in irc ogs
<lanefu> hmmm thats not working as well as i'd like
<lanefu> we were gonna call master the v of the next release.. so master would be like v20.05.0-tree or something like that
<lanefu> remember?
<lanefu> wait i documented this :P
<lanefu> v20.05.0-trunk
<lanefu> IgorPec: btw do you have a Rock64?
<IgorPec> aha, we have it in the docs already. i missed it, great!
<IgorPec> yeas, i have two versions of it
<IgorPec> v2 and v3
<lanefu> so archetech has been testing the rc1 image. adn some i built last night. using the -current and -dev kernels and its dead... need serial console logs
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<lanefu> if you can just capture the console logs and share them and do nothing else with it, i might be able to debug
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<IgorPec> i can do that l8r
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<lanefu> sure no rush
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<phipli_lurk> Evening
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<c0rnelius> good evening... muhahhaha
* phipli_lurk quietly goes back to making popcorn
* c0rnelius guesses he isn't a Dracula fan.
<c0rnelius> anyone here played around with mycroft.ai?