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<lanefu>
it creatws partition and uboot is where it needs to be
<lanefu>
sorry didnt mean to double
<archetech>
debian dev is giving me a brand new image to try
<c0rnelius>
the location of uboot also varies from soc to soc. i find rockchip to be the biggest pain to get right.
<c0rnelius>
armbian works some kind of voodoo magic with uboot. i don't even get it :D
<c0rnelius>
TRS-80, ooh... so weechat is just like irssi for the most part.
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<lanefu>
hmmm maybe thats why im not so helpful for this situation. i dont have any rockchip boards
<archetech>
sok the 7 partitions should drive you away by itself
<lanefu>
lol
<archetech>
surprised you didnt know about that seems an ayufan creation
<lanefu>
now im curious
<archetech>
theres a ayufan uboot how thread...it died a quick death
<archetech>
so im seeing what im up against at least
<archetech>
basically it says move these files into these mem spots then create matching partitions
<lanefu>
you should live dangerously and pipe it straight to dd from curl
<archetech>
heh
<sarnold>
hahaha
<archetech>
so you got a rented vps ?
<lanefu>
fios gigabit
<archetech>
sweet
<archetech>
put that $10 towrds ur cable/dsl bill
<archetech>
I had fixed ip from att
<archetech>
its nice no bs
<lanefu>
and i have a build server with 40 threads of fury
<archetech>
yes u do lol
<archetech>
ur bad self
<lanefu>
ha
<archetech>
ok burning
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<lanefu>
hi NeuroScr
<NeuroScr>
Hello
<archetech>
same as my build red/white lights fixed no flicker
<archetech>
hdmi too nuttin
<archetech>
somebody needs to compare notes on 4.4 vs 5.x kernel-uboots
<lanefu>
do you have ttl serial console hooked up?
<archetech>
no dont have one
<lanefu>
do you have another sbc and dupont cables?
<archetech>
nope
<lanefu>
lame
<archetech>
I burn images they boot or they dont
<lanefu>
serial console output would really help troubleshoot
<archetech>
got arch manajro armbian all booting just this new stuff sint right yet
<c0rnelius>
archetech - im fairly certain the kernel has nothing to do with the uboot
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<archetech>
c0rnelius: w/e it is ya got some testing feedback at least
<lanefu>
let see if i can build a different uboot branch while archetech orders a ftdi friend from amazon
<archetech>
I know I know how to burn and boot correctly so lets be real
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<archetech>
I do have a breadboard multi psu and a oscope if that helps ;)
<lanefu>
archetech: everythinng but the 1 thing that would help
<archetech>
but no dam serial out I know im a lame lazy cheap tech lol
<lanefu>
like you dont have an rpi laying around
<lanefu>
most SBCs have a few uarts
<lanefu>
so you can use them to get TTL serial
<lanefu>
on the gpio
<archetech>
no im new to arm actually my last toybefore this rock was a pogoplug v2
<lanefu>
haha okay
<archetech>
that was my first foray few yrs ago
<archetech>
so ya if I was serious id get a serial out cable
<archetech>
fig id leave that to the devs and just test images sry
<archetech>
I honestly beleived arm was further along than it is
<archetech>
def a shortage of dev level peeps
<archetech>
I feel for ya's doin what I can
<lanefu>
ya no worries
<lanefu>
trying to figure out what changed
<archetech>
in a better world the cheap azzz board makers would throw gobs of cash at you guys
<lanefu>
its using ayuafan's u-boot, which has been the same since august
<archetech>
sellin boards w/o good test software is a crime!
<lanefu>
cheapass board makers could just use UEFI and then armbian's work would be cut in half or less
<archetech>
right and that uboot is not ready for todays kernels I suspect
<lanefu>
everybody has their own bastardized fork
<archetech>
but then gain ists just a kernel
<archetech>
again*
<archetech>
yeah 5 variations of rk3328 aint easy
<archetech>
prolly 10 for 3399
<archetech>
but I bought in so it is what it is no biggy
<archetech>
not like nothing works like some boards
<archetech>
paper weights
<c0rnelius>
testing feedback? I was just saying writing uboot properly is not kernel related. setting up a extlinux.conf file or boot.scr is though... if you want to boot that said kernel.
<archetech>
thanks for trying lane maybe a 3328 guru will drop a nice image on the world soon
<c0rnelius>
not sure whyur giving me a hard time about the obvious
<archetech>
whos given you hard time ?
<archetech>
we burned an image it didnt boot all there is to it
<archetech>
tonymac has a 3328 that works but he's awol alot
<archetech>
not sure what board it is
<archetech>
whats needed is a dev with the board whos spending time onit idk who that might be
<archetech>
2 yrs ago it was ayufan
<c0rnelius>
ok
<c0rnelius>
i have an rk3328 running as web server in my house right now and not using armbian.
<archetech>
so whats it using for OS?
<lanefu>
let me do a shot-in-the-dark build with ayuafans dev kernel branch
<c0rnelius>
an img of my own making... but whatever, enjoy
<archetech>
yeah I have an img of my own making too that works lol
<archetech>
we are foucued on the new armbian image rc
<archetech>
focused*
<archetech>
we being lane and I
<archetech>
cuz he's a trooper
<c0rnelius>
alright
<lanefu>
we're all friends here..even people that use buildroot
<archetech>
lol
<archetech>
I used buildroot for my LFS image heh
<archetech>
works great
<c0rnelius>
get at it boys
<lanefu>
ha
<lanefu>
so my least favorite thing about armbian is having to touch the SBCs
<archetech>
forgot to mention that I usualyy brag once a day
<lanefu>
because that means i cant hack on crap from my couch
<lanefu>
whats LFS
<archetech>
Linux from Scratch
<lanefu>
yeah thats hardcore
<archetech>
it boots with arch's kernel
<lanefu>
gentoo back in the day was about s nutty as i ever went
<archetech>
it sure is hard core dont get harder
<archetech>
but this uboot crap takes the cake
<archetech>
gotta get onto uefi or grub even
<lanefu>
so the like ARM server spec that Redhat etc support for arm servers expets UEFI
<lanefu>
theres no uboot nonsense
<archetech>
hmm really they solved it?
<lanefu>
yeah
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<archetech>
wow what am I doing here lol
<lanefu>
like i setup qemu/kvm on my one of my OPIs and used a debian installer, and it just did like a noral install
<lanefu>
there's even like a UEFI port to u-boot
<archetech>
right thats the ticket
<lanefu>
but that imples u-boot stillbooted
<archetech>
I was reading about that today a bit
<archetech>
they got a netinstall thats does a debootstrap
<lanefu>
yeah the librecomputer are goign that route to try to make a universal image for their stuffs
<lanefu>
so the crazy thing that I wanna do is figure out how to make an armbian AMI for AWS A1. instances
<archetech>
ok you onto something now
<archetech>
same here
<lanefu>
like it would serve much purpose other than being able to test some of the userspace add-ons armbian has
<lanefu>
and bragging rights of coursee
<lanefu>
the _real_ reason to do anything
<archetech>
for some maybe
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<archetech>
I see the dev shortage being a big issue cant focus on homogeneous stuff too much variety chaos
<lanefu>
yeah so thats teh difference between a BSP kernel and a mainline kernel
<archetech>
whats bsp mean
<lanefu>
"Board Support Package"
<archetech>
what armbian is saying is in effect when we had ayufan we had a supported rock64
<archetech>
2020 not so much heh
<lanefu>
so the SoC manufacturer builds like a basatrdizd kernel with unclean mods and blobs and chucks it over the wall
<archetech>
yup I get that
<lanefu>
the situation is getting better because gooogle is requiring systems to run new kernels and keep them patched to be compliant for newer versions of android
<archetech>
what armbian is saying is in effect when we had ayufan we had a supported rock64 this is truth
<lanefu>
yes thats a fair assememnt
<archetech>
dont meran its forever gonna work
<archetech>
mean
<archetech>
which is ok
<archetech>
part of the journay
<archetech>
ey
<lanefu>
yeah so if we dont get much traction, might have to demote the board to CSC
<archetech>
yeah thats armbians call
<archetech>
glad we had this time to iron it out
<TRS-80>
Happy Friday lanefu! :D
<lanefu>
indeed
<lanefu>
archetech: yeah i think we ironed a hole in it
* TRS-80
is very pleased with XMPP -> BitlBee -> weechat -> desktop notification he set up today
<TRS-80>
:D
<TRS-80>
one notification system to rule them all
<TRS-80>
sorry, you guys continue :)
<archetech>
just rm -rf *.img
<archetech>
and keep on trucking
<archetech>
na TRS-80 we just gabbin
<archetech>
did some heavy testing on rock64 is all
<lanefu>
TRS-80: desktop? i figured you just had some fullscreen emacs
<TRS-80>
XD
<lanefu>
seriously if you get mqtt goin with hass lemme know cuz thatd be dope
<TRS-80>
MQTT is quite easy actually, esp with HASS
<lanefu>
yeah i meant with wechat
<TRS-80>
well, I shouldn't say the latter, no direct exp, but I would imagine
<lanefu>
i've got uhhh a few things on hass
<TRS-80>
well XMPP itself is pretty easy
<lanefu>
XMPP thats jabber right?
<TRS-80>
I been browsing scripts lately, noticed there is (at least) one for MQTT
<TRS-80>
sorry I keep writing one for the other
<TRS-80>
I meant MQTT
<TRS-80>
but yes, XMPP = Jabber
<TRS-80>
script for weechat for MQTT, check it out (I have not played yet but don't imagine it would be difficult)
<lanefu>
sweet now I can turn the light on whenever Igor logs in
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<TRS-80>
didn't realize lipo controller, no wonder the Swiss guy so keen on them :)
<TRS-80>
lanefu: You do any arm on arm kvm emulation?
<TRS-80>
Or I guess the supported build environment is Ubuntu? Only x86/64?
<TRS-80>
s/emulation/virtualization
<TRS-80>
$10 for easy button?! I only gave $2-3 each /shipped/ for 1-3 button 433mhz units!
<lanefu>
TRS-80: but do your easy buttons say facil?
<TRS-80>
They are nice and plain, exactly as I prefer. :)
<lanefu>
so yeeah 64bit arm has VT instructions.. i've done an arm VM on arm
<lanefu>
yeah build is x86/64 only... partly because the linaro toolchain is really only for x86 i think
<TRS-80>
my understanding is begginning with armv7, ie like Cubietruck for virt stuff
<lanefu>
yeah that may be right
<lanefu>
i wish i had taken notes
<lanefu>
lemme double check
<TRS-80>
I just looked up like last night, so pretty sure
<TRS-80>
no need, I'm not quoting you ;)
<TRS-80>
anyway I was more interested in what you use your ARM Docker swarm for then, if not Armbian build farm?
<TRS-80>
or are you VM x86 on ARM?!
<TRS-80>
because qemu supports that (I learned recently)
<TRS-80>
it's quite amazing platform, actually
<lanefu>
yeah armbian builder uses the qemu arm emulation for the debootstrap stage of the image
<TRS-80>
oh neat
<lanefu>
TRS-80: i run a scheduler called nomad
<lanefu>
so arm farm has stuff like load balacner /ssl termination, codimd, a tool for converting youtube to podcasts, nginx servers to expose file shares, a job for maintainting my own debian and ubuntu mirror.. letsencryt renewalls
<lanefu>
and a few other litle odds and ends
<lanefu>
my favorite are the cpu agnostic jobs, they'll launc on arm32, arm64,or x86 depending on what resources are available
<TRS-80>
I had to look up codimd. Wow you really are in to MArkdown
<lanefu>
yeah i love it
<TRS-80>
I kept all my notes in a TiddlyWiki (self contained editable wiki) before I moved to Orgmode
<TRS-80>
it was the tables that got me
<TRS-80>
but that was Markdown, basically
<TRS-80>
lanefu: you are on Linux desktop, right?
<lanefu>
sometimes....pretty much ubuntu mate everywhere.... ssh'd into my orangepi prime from my mac right now
<TRS-80>
lanefu: Just as a for instance, install Emacs and paste this in there: https://termbin.com/fvyo Then move rows/columns around by putting cursor in them and Alt+arrow keys
<TRS-80>
GUI is recommended over terminal version, but you are already in console...
<TRS-80>
Oh yeah put it in org mode by Alt-M org-mode (auto complete supported)
<TRS-80>
sorry Alt-X
<TRS-80>
Jeex
<TRS-80>
Jeez
<lanefu>
Need to get 75.2 MB of archives.
<lanefu>
After this operation, 289 MB of additional disk space will be used.
<lanefu>
just a few depdendencies
<TRS-80>
it's an OS
<TRS-80>
:D
<TRS-80>
is this console version?
<lanefu>
yeah apt install emacs
<TRS-80>
plain "emacs" I think brings in GUI (At least in Debian)
<lanefu>
in its defense im running it from an ubuntu continer
<TRS-80>
there is non gui package
<TRS-80>
at least on Debian
<TRS-80>
but GUI is "easier" and actually recommmended for lots of reasons (and is what I even use)
<lanefu>
oh yeah its def adding gui stuff i saw imagemagik and fonts
<TRS-80>
todo.txt (which I have nice appropriate client on Android) better for shopping lists and simple things
<TRS-80>
lanefu: Not at all. Let me explain. I began on paper also. Then I found GTD which is actually a technology agnostic, more of "philosophy" or system (i.e., you can do it on paper, or computer, whatever).
<lanefu>
yep "trust the system"
<TRS-80>
But to me the editing and moving around of information is better suited to computers/devices/phones. But a key caveat to that is you must have a device available at all times to capture ideas, thoughts, random grocery list items, etc..
<TRS-80>
exactly
<lanefu>
i read it
<lanefu>
well half of it
<TRS-80>
half is enough to get the idea
<TRS-80>
I don't follow it all religiously, but there are some good concepts in there
<TRS-80>
lanefu: You play with that table yet? :)
<lanefu>
i made a scratch buffer
<lanefu>
and paste that url
<TRS-80>
did that work?
<TRS-80>
probably need to go to url, just copy text of table
<lanefu>
ohh
<lanefu>
ok
<TRS-80>
paste in Emacs is C-y (Yank)
<lanefu>
i thought this was instaling a plugin or something
<TRS-80>
you will need to also switch "mode" as I mentioned above to get the Org functionality in that buffer
<TRS-80>
table stuff is part of Org
<lanefu>
how do i org mode
<lanefu>
i have zero emacs skills im a vim person
<TRS-80>
In Emacs (which is old school) "Meta" means Alt
<TRS-80>
so M-x means Alt-x
<TRS-80>
which opens general command
<TRS-80>
then org-mode
<TRS-80>
(there is also auto complete there)
<TRS-80>
so like or <tab> - mo <tab> should do it
<TRS-80>
or somehting; then you should se "Org" in the mode line at bottom
<TRS-80>
rather "(Org)"
<TRS-80>
you with me so far?
<lanefu>
failing i may be in keepmap purgatory
<lanefu>
its time for me to dabble in slumber
<TRS-80>
C-g to back out
<TRS-80>
or ESC 3x
<TRS-80>
wait we are almost there! :D
<TRS-80>
you are in scratch buffer?
<lanefu>
yep
<lanefu>
im not getting Alt-x to work
<TRS-80>
thats weird
<TRS-80>
should get prompt at bottom
<lanefu>
i have a feeling it has to do with my terminal sesion
<lanefu>
ill try again tomrrow ish
<lanefu>
later
<TRS-80>
yeah if term is intercepting it
<TRS-80>
alright man, gn :)
<TRS-80>
try on GUI desktop, easier
<Werner__>
Good morning people
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<TRS-80>
Evening, Werner__! :)
<Werner__>
Guess now I am the one with the nice cup of coffee :P
<TRS-80>
Passing each other again at shift change, I see. :)
<Werner__>
Working out decent ;)
<TRS-80>
Yes, I just finished some delicious cold tasty adult beverages! :D
<Werner__>
Enjoy
<TRS-80>
I think I will be up for a few yet, but maybe off reading.
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<poddingue>
Finally found Armbian IRC! ☺
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<phipli_lurk>
hey folks - I have Armbian (Stretch) installed on a Rock64, with an external USB hard disk connected. lsusb -D shows that the device is connected as usb "3.10", but I'm only getting USB 2 speeds.
<phipli_lurk>
If I run "dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1.img bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync" I get 26.6MB/S
<phipli_lurk>
I've tried the same with the disk connected to my laptop and get 83.7MB/s
<phipli_lurk>
Does anybody have any suggestions for how I might improve this? It is a bit of a shame as it is my NAS, I wasn't expecting this bottleneck
<archetech>
try plugging it into the usb3 portnot usb2?
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: on the assumption that they've not put the wrong coloured socket on the usb connections, it is already connected to the blue one and, like I said, lsusb is saying that it is a USB 3 connection
<phipli_lurk>
but good point :)
<archetech>
gotta chk the basics
<phipli_lurk>
yeah, same reason I tested the disk on another machine - check it wasn't just the disk being really useless
<archetech>
are you full updated?
<phipli_lurk>
I've run apt update and apt upgrade
<phipli_lurk>
(and rebooted)
<c0rnelius>
phipli_lurk - what kernel you running?
<phipli_lurk>
4.4.192-rockchip64
<archetech>
I have same board not sure if my speed is right I can boot it after my pogo is updated
<phipli_lurk>
thanks
<archetech>
I run 197 kern on mine seems ok
<c0rnelius>
i've personally never seen the rk3328's get true usb3 speeds. but some peps say it does. i myself gave up on that long ago, but the 4.4.x kernel is supposed to be to get you close,
<c0rnelius>
be able*
<phipli_lurk>
its been a really good board - as a homemade NAS (rock64 actually velcro'd to the side of a RAID 2.5" USB3 drive) it has way more CPU power than I have needed
<c0rnelius>
i found it to unstable. i ended up getting an atomicpi to replace it. works great.
<phipli_lurk>
but I have to admit that I thougth the speed bottleneck was something I'd done wrong in the network, untill I tested it from the commandline
<phipli_lurk>
I have an atomicpi that I have hardly used
<phipli_lurk>
other than to test the power adapters I was selling :)
<c0rnelius>
i use mine as a NAS and for deluge
<c0rnelius>
works great. download the debian-non-free iso and off to the races
<phipli_lurk>
they were quite a steal, although the price has slowly crept up including delivery etc
<c0rnelius>
the rk3328 is now a web server for my home security cams
<c0rnelius>
really? i saw a good deal on amazon the other day
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<c0rnelius>
even came with a cam. only thing not included was the power supply.
<emOne>
does armbian boot on any amlogic s905x3 cpu yet?
<c0rnelius>
was like $35
<emOne>
what is that c0rnelius? rpi?
<c0rnelius>
emOne - talking about the AtomicPi
<emOne>
cool
<c0rnelius>
it's an x86 SBC
<emOne>
oh wow
<c0rnelius>
cheap too
<phipli_lurk>
Getting them shipped + taxes ends with a price more like $55
<lanefu>
yeah.. i have 2 atomic pis
<lanefu>
like.. they're weird
<c0rnelius>
it was prime delivery i recall
<phipli_lurk>
yeah - they're missing some common interfaces emOne
<phipli_lurk>
like a power jack :)
<emOne>
they shouldn't have used the name Pi though imho.. it makes it sound like it is a pi like SBC, i.e. arm powered
<c0rnelius>
i agree
<c0rnelius>
i like it non-the-less. does what it is supposed too in the headless department
<lanefu>
I was using one for a desktp for a while.. but 2G ram was just not cutting it as much as i tried
<c0rnelius>
really good deal on it
<c0rnelius>
just need a power supply
<emOne>
the chinese have started producing their own x86 cpu
<emOne>
has anyone read about it?
<phipli_lurk>
don't think so
<phipli_lurk>
any good?
<lanefu>
I heard it was actually a license from an AMD design
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: it only came out on my news feed a day ago or so
<lanefu>
c0rnelius: oh yeah thats a much better deal with the power board and camera bundle..
<phipli_lurk>
lanefu: ah right, yeah, I knew there was a first gen ryzen based chip that was china only
<emOne>
apparently it has the performance equivalent to an i5 from 2 years ago
<phipli_lurk>
built under licence
<c0rnelius>
lanefu - yeah. it's hard resist getting another one looking at that :)
<c0rnelius>
just to have
<emOne>
I was under the impression that it was impossible for anyone other than intel, amd and some other company to actually manufacture x86 designs because of the inter traded license deals
<lanefu>
i'm planing on making one of mine just run makemkv with a blueray drive
<emOne>
that heat sink on the atomic pi is huge
<emOne>
no wonder it is atomic
<lanefu>
emOne: the atomic pi's are surplus robot hearts
<c0rnelius>
wish they made a case or something for it. i just have mine on standoffs
<emOne>
lanefu: hehe!#
<c0rnelius>
sitting in a cab with a bunch of drives and usb hub
<phipli_lurk>
c0rnelius: yeah, mine is on standoffs
<phipli_lurk>
I meant to make a board to plug into the "webcam" port to get another USB
<phipli_lurk>
forgot about that
<phipli_lurk>
c0rnelius: the atomic pi + camera deal - they wont deliver it to Europe
<emOne>
$35 is quite the bargain
<c0rnelius>
that is one thing about it. you need powered usb hub to take advantage of the usb3 port
<phipli_lurk>
yeah - you could buy them using amazon.com at first (instead of your local amazon) but they seem to have stopped delivering to europe now
<Werner__>
I created a new channel #armbian-rss just for the heck of it. Working basically the same as #armbian-github but pushes new forum posts to the channel. Only the topic with link though.
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: so does armbian work fine with the s905x3?
<lanefu>
Werner__: cool
<lanefu>
Werner__: you gotta add twitter mentions too
<emOne>
"phipli_lurk: yeah - they're missing some common interfaces emOne "
<emOne>
I am not sure what you were referring to
<Werner__>
lanefu, Yeah but they probably do not need an extra channel =)
<lanefu>
Werner__: i meant add twitter mentions to rss
<Werner__>
Ah, yeah. Let me check if this is possible real quick
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: no idea - I have some older s905 somewhere, but wouldn't know
<emOne>
I am checking the wiki
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: I meant that they don't have a barrel jack or USB. Powering through a IDC connector is unusual
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: at the time we were talking about they were a little different to most SBCs
<emOne>
oh okay I thought you were referring to the s905x3
<emOne>
never mind
<emOne>
I wonder if the atomic pi will run csgo
<emOne>
mini gaming box :)
<phipli_lurk>
I think I put steam on my UDOO (same processor I think)
<phipli_lurk>
but I didn't install csgo
<emOne>
try hehe
<emOne>
the source engine is quite old already
<emOne>
I wouldn't be surprised if it work
<emOne>
works
<phipli_lurk>
emOne : I stole the SSD from it for my firefly aio3399 if I remember...
* emOne
goes back to his pi zero
<phipli_lurk>
I should get more cheap SSDs so that I can run machines without stealing disks...
<emOne>
heh
<emOne>
they are coming down in price too
<phipli_lurk>
I put retropi on my zero and have hardly used it other than that
<phipli_lurk>
spent ages playing GT on the playstation emulator with a friend
<emOne>
I have the same issues.. I myself need to get more SD cards for the arm boards
<phipli_lurk>
SD cards are /amazingly/ cheap these days
<emOne>
yea
<phipli_lurk>
what is it, £6 for 32GB?
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<emOne>
did the playstation emulator actually work on the pi zero?
<emOne>
really? that is amazing!
<phipli_lurk>
£9 for 64GB
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<phipli_lurk>
emOne : the playstation seems to emulate easier than the Nintendo stuff
<emOne>
awesome
<emOne>
I believe the pi zero actually has a good gpu
<emOne>
it is just the cpu that is a bit underpowered
<emOne>
the n64 is interesting because it isn't fully emulated but rather the gpu instructions are translated into openGL instructions
<emOne>
it is only the cpu logic that is emulated
<emOne>
pentium 2 machines could emulate the n64
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: are you actually from the uk=
<emOne>
?
<phipli_lurk>
yup
<emOne>
happy brexit
<emOne>
:)
<phipli_lurk>
:'(
<emOne>
Please come back for us continental mainlanders once you guys sort everything out
<phipli_lurk>
I'm only half british - need to sort out a passport to maintain my freedom
<phipli_lurk>
entitled to an irish passport
<emOne>
european "freedom"
<emOne>
the EU freedom that we once knew is history I am afraid
<emOne>
there is no freedom here
<phipli_lurk>
I was thinking of the ability to go places without needing a visa
<emOne>
I understand
<emOne>
I am sure the UK will make visa arrangments
<emOne>
but Ireland is actually quite a good citizenship to get
<emOne>
ireland is a thousand times better than continental europe regarding freedom
<phipli_lurk>
it is an interesting (and complciated) halfway, because we have pre-existing agreements for freedom of movement
<phipli_lurk>
which means we're still free to work in a EU country without any effort
<emOne>
is that in the 11 month transition period?
<phipli_lurk>
with ireland, forever
<emOne>
true
<emOne>
I honestly think the UK will be fine
<emOne>
and I am sure it will get reciprocal visa agreements very soon
<phipli_lurk>
we'll manage, but the thing that bugs me is that I feel like national policy is being set based on racism and years of governments blaming the EU for their own cockups
<phipli_lurk>
... and that isn't healthy
<emOne>
no it isn't healthy at all
<emOne>
but it came out of nowhere
<emOne>
I remember it was only ukip and nigel farage who used to compare the EU to communist socialism
<emOne>
and everyone else used to have a different political stance
<emOne>
he wasn't wrong about the EU being socialist I don't think
<phipli_lurk>
but when did that become a bad thing?
<emOne>
but he was wrong about the the type of socialist flavour they have in the EU
<phipli_lurk>
we used to be even more left than most of europe
<emOne>
well national socialism didn't end up well for the german nazi party for instance
<phipli_lurk>
yeah, but you get arseholes under every label
<emOne>
I honestly don't know any country where socialism has actually worked
<phipli_lurk>
its shades of grey though
<emOne>
kinky
<emOne>
lol
<phipli_lurk>
behave
<emOne>
hahh
<phipli_lurk>
*it isn't black and white though
<emOne>
lol I understand
* phipli_lurk
substitutes the phrases in his go too list of stock phrases
<phipli_lurk>
*to
<emOne>
heheh nahh leave that phrase in
<emOne>
that is a funny one to have and a grat convrsation starter perhaps
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: where did cornelius and lanefu go?
<phipli_lurk>
to be honest, it might explain why our government dropped the ball
<emOne>
why is that?
<phipli_lurk>
they were distracted by shades of grey
<lanefu>
netsplits
<lanefu>
irc's oldest weakness
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: how is the mood back in Britain?
<emOne>
are people relieved, anxious, happy or scared?
<phipli_lurk>
In my circles, depressed, resigned and tired of it all. mostly taking care not to cause arguments because there is a lot of strong feelings
<phipli_lurk>
there is such a devide with very little overlap that it is difficult to see much of the other side of the argument
<phipli_lurk>
my facebook feed is full of yellow stars on blue backgrounds
<emOne>
Logically speaking at least every second person voted for a brexit in the referendum. I am surprised that a lot of people do show their support for the EU
<emOne>
at least in "educated circles"
<emOne>
stastically speaking though,, even in educated circles people must have also voted for a brexit
<emOne>
of course not as many
<phipli_lurk>
our buisnesses are very intertwined + most of our sales are in europe
<emOne>
but I just think they are not admitting it publicly
<phipli_lurk>
we have much to rebuild if we want to be prosperous - we don't have the internal market that the states does
<phipli_lurk>
or china for that matter
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: europe is going to crash out
<Werner__>
Could be a bit more complicated as this Twitter thing may need a api key and stuff but I'll stay tuned for that.
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: the divide was mainly young people voted to stay and old to leave
<emOne>
ahh yes I remember
<phipli_lurk>
the second most prominent divide was university educated to stay, and school only to leave
<emOne>
I have an economy teacher on my facebook who was strongly against a Brexit
<lanefu>
Werner__: cool
<emOne>
and he is a great teacher too so I think he knows what he is speaking about
<emOne>
phipli_lurk: have you seen the movie Bexit?
<phipli_lurk>
nope
<phipli_lurk>
whats it about? action adventure? romance?
<archetech>
phipli_lurk: im ready for usb test
<emOne>
Sorry typo .. Brexit
<emOne>
it came out in 2019
<emOne>
are you in a p2p scenes?
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: I just ran "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1.img bs=1G count=1 oflag=dsync" in a directory on the USB3 drive
<archetech>
ok
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: what do you mean?
<emOne>
nvm
<emOne>
the movie is quite good at explaining how the Brexit campaign actually convinced people to vote for the Brexit
<phipli_lurk>
yes - there was much of the "detail is bad, feeling is good" and "make up a number and then laugh at anyone who tries to prove that you made it up"
<phipli_lurk>
it is easy to be slick when you're talking shit, because it always sounds good
* phipli_lurk
quietens down before he upsets someone with a different opinion
<emOne>
or before you are going to be accused of being a russian troll
<phipli_lurk>
heh
<emOne>
russian trolls - the biggest scam of the century
<emOne>
assume you are the governemtn
<emOne>
assume you have unhappy citizens
<emOne>
assume you have unhappy citizens who share their own negative thoughts online on different platforms
<phipli_lurk>
in russia, we use single sentences and sharable memes to quickly cause people to start their own fights
<emOne>
lol
<emOne>
no but really
<emOne>
what if these so called russian bots are not bots
<emOne>
but in reality are just your own unhappy citizens sharing their frustrations online
<emOne>
;)
<phipli_lurk>
what if they're from Litchenstein?
<emOne>
good point
<phipli_lurk>
Never trusted anyone who calls their capital city the same thing as their country
<emOne>
I heard that putin can hack your brain and make you vote for whomever he tells you to vote for
<emOne>
who makes that stuff up???
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: people from Litchenstein?
<emOne>
LOLLLL
<emOne>
btw the brexit movie features Benedict Cumberbatch
<emOne>
it really is quite a good movie
<emOne>
apart from making you angry perhaps at imes
<phipli_lurk>
I have work for that :)
<phipli_lurk>
although first week back after Christmas I got to play with debian on a beaglebone all week (that is not my job. at all)
<emOne>
playing around with any SBC is very relaxing
<emOne>
apart from when you get frustrated that nothing ever works quite as planned
<emOne>
like ever
<phipli_lurk>
yeah, thankfully we got it sorted by the Thursday, in good time for their flight on Saturday
<phipli_lurk>
emOne : especially when you're (they were) the type of person who pulls out the power instead of shutting down, and doesn't change default passwords
<phipli_lurk>
(I changed the password to one telling them off for not changing the password)
<archetech>
we can solve the brexit issue after getting this usb3 to work right
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: excellent, two birds with one stone
<emOne>
they must have been russian or north korean agents obviously
<emOne>
/sarcasm
<archetech>
its a uboot/kernel patch thats missing I beleive
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: how can I trust you to follow that link - it might hack my brain?
<emOne>
LOL ;)
<emOne>
;)
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: thanks for checking that it wasn't just me - that helps with my piece of mind as a starter
<archetech>
mercury fillings turn your head into a radio
<emOne>
too late phipli_lurk.. it is enough that you just look at the link address ;) your brain has a parser that has been hacked :(
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: I've googled around a bit, but nobody seems to be mentioning low transfer speeds - the arch lot seemed to be having USB3 not working at all issues on the rock64
<phipli_lurk>
emOne: ahha! jokes on you, I can't even spell my parser is so broken!
<emOne>
hahahah
<archetech>
phi yes its a known issue with this board
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<emOne>
phipli_lurk: that is what the internet is for in my honest opinion
<emOne>
anyone has the right to information and freedom of speech and expression
<phipli_lurk>
I thought it was for sharing pictures of cats
<emOne>
me too
<emOne>
lol
<phipli_lurk>
archetech : the speed or not working at all?
<archetech>
seems volker over at OMV jst banned all sbc's heh
<phipli_lurk>
:s
<archetech>
im starting to understand that logic with this board
<phipli_lurk>
what has he done?
<archetech>
his poor forum is prolly inubdated with sbc flaw talk
<archetech>
inundated*
<phipli_lurk>
heh
<phipli_lurk>
it wouldn't probably be so bad if so many of them weren't built to a price, while trying to have all the headline features
<archetech>
who wants a nas at usb2 speeds
<phipli_lurk>
"Now with 10GB ethernet and thunderbolt! (PCB made from cardboard)
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: it reads at a little better speeds
<phipli_lurk>
but it would be nice if it worked... properly :)
* archetech
stares at that amazon $36 atomic pi deal
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: /me stares at atomic pi sat in other room
<phipli_lurk>
but... I like /small/ computers
<phipli_lurk>
my vpn runs on an orange pi zero
<archetech>
ill have to research IT'S flaws seems every dang sbc has something broke on it no matter what
<phipli_lurk>
and it makes me laugh that the USB disk on the NAS is about 3x the size of the computer
<phipli_lurk>
archetech: there is a lot to be said for running your headless server / NAS on an old laptop with a broken screen that someone gave you for free
<lanefu>
archetech: there _are_ some good SBCs out there.. whats your requirement
<phipli_lurk>
built in UPS for a start
<archetech>
lanefu: just want a good KDE desktop
<archetech>
that runs wayland plasma
<lanefu>
hmmm
<lanefu>
so I'm using an odroid n2 as a desktop without any like gpu acceleration or anything and its stupid fast
<archetech>
we havent even spoke about that yet and its a mess mesa-lima/panfrost wise
<archetech>
gotta have gpu accel
<lanefu>
nvidia jetson is king of working gpu on arm
<lanefu>
but you're not getting performance per dollar on that
<archetech>
yeah id go x86 at that point
<lanefu>
if you're willing to stick with vendor images... then you'll haev better lick with it being fully optimized
<lanefu>
hardkernel does a good job on that front
<phipli_lurk>
yeah - I've found hardkernel stuff to be good out the box
<lanefu>
their stuff is more expensive, but there's a lot of engineering quality all over
<lanefu>
plus their shipping from korea is fast
<lanefu>
so i just order direct from them
<lanefu>
otherwise i've liked most of hte orangepi stuff as far as using with armbian
<lanefu>
its just a screwy ecosystem
<archetech>
yeah I like the opi 4b specs
<ashthespy>
lanefu What about a decent board to do some routing/QoS that doesn't break the bank?
<lanefu>
QoS is the cpu intensive part
<lanefu>
what are you performance expectations there
<ashthespy>
Have a gigabit fibre uplink..
<lanefu>
with real QoS?
<ashthespy>
Would like to give it a shot - from what I have been reading though, that is x86 territory..
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
i mean some of the newer SoCs are probably okay at that, but i dunno
<lanefu>
and like.. nothing has more than 1 port thats real
<archetech>
always wanted a 3 port mikrotec router board
<ashthespy>
Just picked up the RB3011UiAS, need to find the time to set it up..
<archetech>
I use ipfire on spare x86 box when the urge hits instead
<archetech>
3 nics done
<phipli_lurk>
has anyone used one of the pinebooks or pinebook pros?
<archetech>
costs about $60 to run per yr though
<ashthespy>
Hmm, I was just trying to connect to a wifi network using `nmtui-connect` but didn't get authenticated. However, `nmcli` didn't have any issues connecting. Any ideas where to look?
<IgorPec>
lanefu
<lanefu>
Hey IgorPec
<IgorPec>
hej ... about VERSION for master. when and where to move it?
<IgorPec>
in the moment we make v20.02-rc1 shell we move master to v20.02-rc2 ...? or leave the same?
<IgorPec>
shall :)
<lanefu>
oh right
<lanefu>
you ahead a great idea the other day lemem look in irc ogs
<lanefu>
hmmm thats not working as well as i'd like
<lanefu>
we were gonna call master the v of the next release.. so master would be like v20.05.0-tree or something like that
<IgorPec>
aha, we have it in the docs already. i missed it, great!
<IgorPec>
yeas, i have two versions of it
<IgorPec>
v2 and v3
<lanefu>
so archetech has been testing the rc1 image. adn some i built last night. using the -current and -dev kernels and its dead... need serial console logs
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<lanefu>
if you can just capture the console logs and share them and do nothing else with it, i might be able to debug
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<IgorPec>
i can do that l8r
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<lanefu>
sure no rush
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<phipli_lurk>
Evening
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<c0rnelius>
good evening... muhahhaha
* phipli_lurk
quietly goes back to making popcorn
* c0rnelius
guesses he isn't a Dracula fan.
<c0rnelius>
anyone here played around with mycroft.ai?