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<Tonymac32> TRS-80 is hiding again I see
<lanefu> he was here 2 or 3 times
<Tonymac32> I saw in the history, must need to rotate IP's again :P
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> so did you catch wind of how we're spewing bandwidth
<lanefu> its absurd
<Tonymac32> wait what?
<lanefu> there's like a few hundred IPs that are refreshing the armbian apt repo package list 200+ times a day
<lanefu> 3 gigabytes of download per IP of litearlly just the apt repo index
<lanefu> no packages
<Tonymac32> weird, why would they be doing that? I would be hitting it maybe 20-30 on a bad day
<Tonymac32> and I have reason lol
<lanefu> yeah trying to figure that out
<lanefu> im asking in the debian-mirrors irc if anyone has seen something like it before
<lanefu> most of it coming from USA IPs
<lanefu> im convinced something out there is a product based on armbian and is horribly configured
<Tonymac32> Could be. don't look at me
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> yeah you're not a suspect yet........ although if I catch you ordering bare i.MX SoCs...
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<c0rnelius> order me one
* Tonymac32 hides small box of V3s's
<Tonymac32> I haven't gotten brave enough to try a BGA yet
* lanefu shakes fists at michigan person
<Tonymac32> Now you listen here, I'm from Pennsyltucky
<lanefu> lol
<Tonymac32> I currently reside in Michigan
* lanefu from actual kentucky
<Tonymac32> You've heard about Pennsylvania I would guess
<Tonymac32> Pittsburgh in the West, Philly in the East, Alabama down the middle
<lanefu> lol
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<Tonymac32> I've seen things in rural Pennsylvania that I've not witnessed in WV
<lanefu> that guy with SimpleNAS is from seweickly PA
<lanefu> which ive been to cuz i had a friend in beaver county
<Tonymac32> oh man, a bit north of my neck of the woods
<Tonymac32> but you get the idea haha
<lanefu> yup yup
<lanefu> 13
<lanefu> haha
<lanefu> that was supposed to be ctrl-a 13
<Tonymac32> So Crowd Supply has my boards, they've apparently shipped out the preorders, waiting for them to be available on the site
<lanefu> the last of the ESP32 ones? or your new
* Tonymac32 ponders cost-reducing and improving the mechanical design somewhat
<Tonymac32> the ESP32 ones
<Tonymac32> I won't put anything through CS that I can distribute myself unless I think it's really going to be a hit and needs exposure
<Tonymac32> WiFi/Encryption means it's best to have a handler do the "Hello US gov't" stuff
* Tonymac32 works in a highly regulated industry and knows what happens if the government takes interest in you
* Tonymac32 wants to avoid that
* Tonymac32 recommends the same for any other "makers"
* Tonymac32 thinks "makers" is a little silly of a term, but also has a huge distaste for any spin language or buzzwords
* Tonymac32 is tired of speaking in 3rd person
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<Miouyouyou> TonyMac32 has seen ... "things"
<lanefu> lol
<Tonymac32> hahahahaha Miouyouyou out of nowhere
<lanefu> grizzly nerd with soldering iron and a welder
<Miouyouyou> (OωO) Watching you... Always !
<Tonymac32> An EE with pneumatic tools and fire should never be trusted
* Tonymac32 picked up a rather large impact driver used on Ebay for $11. Beat up, but the internals are perfect.
<Tonymac32> saved about $50 that way :D
<Miouyouyou> "Impact drive" can make such a cool attack name
<lanefu> Tonymac32: you'll get a kick out of this https://photos.app.goo.gl/hGmjbpHMrsE7T6Hk8
<Tonymac32> oh yeah, that looks about right
<lanefu> that was my impact in like 2001 when i worked at sears... i called it the duke.. got laid off
<lanefu> and one of the guys rebuilt it for me and painted it red and i got it back when i went back
<Tonymac32> how old is that? mine is just a Harbor freight Earthquake that looks like it was drug behind a truck for a while
<lanefu> fast forward. moved to virginia in 2004.. and didn't hook it up to air compressor until.. 2016?
<Miouyouyou> And then Viriginia was no more
<lanefu> didnt work at first.. but i spray air tool oil in it. and gave it a push start while holding trigger and it woke up
<lanefu> Miouyouyou: its true, its not what it was, but is
<Tonymac32> push start while giving it air, , no love of having fingers haha
<Miouyouyou> The duke make and unmake states, one at a time, with Lanefu
<lanefu> hahahaha
<Tonymac32> People from the UK seem to like my RPi Arduino Uno clone haha
<Tonymac32> But not people from France. They are too good for it I guess...
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> french people want something iwth a kernel
<Tonymac32> "Where we're going, we don't need any kernel"
<Miouyouyou> Should have called it "Arduino Un" instead
<lanefu> oui oui device tree mon ami
<Tonymac32> oui
<Miouyouyou> ouais
<lanefu> .. arduino
<Tonymac32> I did horrible in French class, but it was not speaking, it was using too many letters
<Tonymac32> and too mane 'e's
<lanefu> help
<ArmbianHelper> Check out our awesome documentation! It's tremendous, promise! https://docs.armbian.com/
<lanefu> . arduino
<Miouyouyou> All these 'e'.... Vietnam flashbacks
<lanefu> charlieeeeeeeeeee
<Miouyouyou> . hard oui no
<Tonymac32> ...the irony of mentioning Vietnam and France at the same time...
* Tonymac32 knows some history
<Miouyouyou> Yup
<lanefu> apparently armbianhelper only translats when Werner is looking
* lanefu knows less history whats the rub
<Miouyouyou> Well, people don't mention US and Vietnam for their nice and fruitful relationships
<Tonymac32> we only went in there to reinforce our European ally
<Tonymac32> :P
<Miouyouyou> And flex some muscles
<Tonymac32> was a dumb idea
<Miouyouyou> But Vietnam wins. Always !
<lanefu> white savior syndrome, but america and a country instead?
<Miouyouyou> History: France tried to invade Vietnam for Michelin and "Rubber trees"
<lanefu> OH!
<lanefu> wowzers
<Miouyouyou> Didn't turn well
<Tonymac32> So was a colony of France, France abandoned it, we actually aided in their drafting of a constitution (communist even), and then France wanted it back and Russia was bad and had nuclear weapons so we went in
<Tonymac32> the rest is well documented in classic rock and movies
<Miouyouyou> The best sources for history
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<Tonymac32> there's usually less government... supervision of music. ;)
<Miouyouyou> Well, we had a president who used its powers to create a studio for her singing wife
<Miouyouyou> Didn't turn well too
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> I was looking at approval ratings, I am almost certain there isn't a single western leader with a good position right now
<Tonymac32> Maybe in one of the smaller EU countries
<Miouyouyou> "Good leaders are like eagles. There's none at this altitude." (c) Demotivators
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Miouyouyou> So what are you building with RPi clones and impact drivers
<Miouyouyou> Going for shell oil too ?
<Tonymac32> I'm not using them at the same time
<Tonymac32> the little Pi 0 Uno board was just a fun distraction
* lanefu has combined welder, drill press and SBCs thanks to SBC tree
<Miouyouyou> "It was a ruse to divert people attention"
<lanefu> haha
* Tonymac32 thinks lanefu is showing off
<Miouyouyou> What has SBC tree done !
<Tonymac32> it is like an SBC coatrack
<lanefu> it helped my seek attention
<lanefu> and teach twitter about the conductivity of paint on steel
<Miouyouyou> Twitter has become sentient... it learns !
<lanefu> it collects bitcoin too
<Tonymac32> the only truth is attention seeking behavior in social media
<Tonymac32> lanefu hahaha, does it call itself Elon?
<Miouyouyou> So it's literrally mining for bitcoins, by drilling ?
<Tonymac32> It has a diamond pickaxe
<Miouyouyou> Given that on my chat lanefu appears green, I guess he's a creeper with a diamond pickaxe drilling machine mining for bitcoins
* Tonymac32 has no LED's for his production intent boards. *pulls up digikey*
<Miouyouyou> "Buy 50 rolls of 2000 leds"
<Miouyouyou> "WTB 12K LED. 10g. PM ME offers"
<Tonymac32> lol
* Tonymac32 uses an IR LED
<lanefu> IRL led
<Tonymac32> O RLY?
<Miouyouyou> You should build VR sensors
<Miouyouyou> The one provided by Valve make such a stupidly high pitch noise.
<Tonymac32> ew,
<Miouyouyou> And then there's the Flight sim guys building Positional Tracking system with 3 leds wired together with coat hangers
<Tonymac32> you gotta do what you gotta do
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, at least it's cheap : https://youtu.be/2pMtMzR6yYQ?t=154
<Tonymac32> Würth Elektronik: The extra stern electronik
<Miouyouyou> Do you need an extra star, though ?
<Miouyouyou> Think about the weight, and how much it will cost to deliver it
<Tonymac32> haha
<Tonymac32> Digikey will have it here by Saturday
<Tonymac32> :P
<Miouyouyou> Last time some dinos tried this, it didn't end well for them
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Miouyouyou> Yaaay
<Tonymac32> I was tempted to use a ridiculous color, but it is very expensive
<Miouyouyou> Just tear some "gaming" stuff apart, and you'll have your rainbow leds for the cheap
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<Miouyouyou> Then make a "Gaming" edition of all your products
<Tonymac32> I was raised by very stern people, so I usually just get boring things without lots of colors
* Tonymac32 would not want to upset grandmother Mueller
<Miouyouyou> I'd thought star people would be more bright, but ok
* Tonymac32 looks around and realizes he really isn't joking
<Miouyouyou> Ach
<Tonymac32> I actually chose my computer case because it was quite plain, no brash chrome or LED's or anything
<Tonymac32> huh
<Miouyouyou> This is becoming harder and harder to do.
<Tonymac32> Yes it is.
<Miouyouyou> Plus these rainbow leds never stop, even after you power the computer down
<Tonymac32> yeah, they put them on the standby power rail
<Tonymac32> because
<Miouyouyou> You have to cut the juice for the whole thing to stop
<Tonymac32> Apparently all the computer case designers currently live in fraternities and use their PC to light the bar
<Miouyouyou> Because "The party never stops !"
* Tonymac32 is pretty sure we just said the same thing
<Miouyouyou> Yeah :3
<Miouyouyou> So, when are you going to release little 'Fragging' Pi 0 Uno Gaming edition ?
* Tonymac32 adds some i.MX parts to his cart, doesn't make eye contact with Lanefu...
<Miouyouyou> Were lanefu attacked by i.MX boards when he was younger ?
<Tonymac32> I haven't actually done anything with a linux-capable SoC yet, on my list of things
<Tonymac32> lanefu mentioned the huge bandwidth leak we seem to have, and said I wasn't a suspect unless he saw me buying some NXP stuff
<Miouyouyou> Do you really need Linux for simple automative tasks, though ?
<Tonymac32> No, honestly I prefer to avoid it for small control jobs
<Miouyouyou> I mean, unless you're making some multitasking UI driven tool, an OS always seems overkill
<Tonymac32> Linux in an embedded space can look a lot like those automatic seat belts from the early 90's
<Miouyouyou> And then there's Windows Embedded
<Miouyouyou> I like how the QT team is now trying to convince people to not go the HTML5 route, instead of QT
<lanefu> If QT steers people away from javascript im good
<Miouyouyou> I'd take them seriously if their QML UI designer would help creating nice UI quickly and efficiently... But their defaults area really fugly
<Miouyouyou> Not really
<Miouyouyou> Since QML embeds a Javascript engine
<lanefu> oh
<Miouyouyou> With even less Debugging tools than the browsers one
<Miouyouyou> But you still have to build the engine with C++
<lanefu> but if it wasnt for QT there'd be no KDE
<lanefu> and actually also no gnome
<Miouyouyou> Yeah...
<Miouyouyou> And no KHTML
<Miouyouyou> so no Webkit
<Tonymac32> Palm WebOS, 2009
<Tonymac32> rofl
<Miouyouyou> But still... Every time I build something with QT Creator, I'm like "Could you make it... so that it really looks like a specialized tool ?"
<Miouyouyou> Ah yeah, Palm
<Tonymac32> RIP
<Miouyouyou> And BeOS
<Tonymac32> HP did Palm dirty
<lanefu> Be was cool
<Tonymac32> I had a Palm Pre, that OS was cool
<Miouyouyou> And now there's : https://www.haiku-os.org/
<lanefu> need HaikuOs for arm
<Tonymac32> I ran Haiku in 2013 on an old laptop
<Tonymac32> It was laright, but they are really small
<Tonymac32> like the ReactOS guys
<Miouyouyou> My Old Laptop
<Miouyouyou> I really liked it
<Miouyouyou> But it went Haiku
<lanefu> hey props to ReactOS.. "give us 20 years" .. okay its been 20 years look we made windows 95
<Tonymac32> haha it's a bit better than that, but they are persistent
<Miouyouyou> Some people like Windows 95, ok ? We have an entire Office suite based upon Office 2003 look.
<Tonymac32> I am not a fan of the "new flat"
<Tonymac32> since it reminds me of Windows 3.0
<Miouyouyou> They went full circle
<lanefu> i ran OS/2 Warp a long time ago
<lanefu> it was good
<lanefu> had IBM-style bootimes
<Miouyouyou> Now, if they only put the Minesweeper back...
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Miouyouyou> IBM-style boottimes are counted in IBM seconds ?
<Tonymac32> chwe shared this one with me
<Miouyouyou> Looks like the hardcore version of minesweeper
<Tonymac32> it is doable as long as you don't guess
<Miouyouyou> 7 tries to get a least one board where I could see more than 1 number before exploding
<Tonymac32> hehehe
<Tonymac32> they are targetting all the wrong SoC's
<Tonymac32> OMAP? i.MX6?
<Miouyouyou> Maybe you could run it on a Gameboy Advance
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<Miouyouyou> They encourage you to test it on a RPi
<Miouyouyou> And then there's the status for all the boards with the latest RPi being red
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> I ran it on the launch edition RPi, it was actually the smoothest OS available, also did the least stuff. :P
<Miouyouyou> See, you know which OS you can use on your new iM.X board
<Miouyouyou> The most hipster OS I tried was Plan9, before the project went extinct
<Miouyouyou> Ow, ok, they didn't went extinct. Thought so. These bunnies are resilient
<nekomancer[m]> Plan9 and hipster in one sentence?
<Miouyouyou> Could make it two if you want
<Miouyouyou> Look, it's the "future" : https://9p.io/plan9/img/screenshot.gif
<Tonymac32> bell-labs, alcatel, lucent, man, there's a lot of big old musty stuff in this room
<Miouyouyou> They're not old. They have support for CVS 1.11
<lanefu> meanwhile the plan9FS stuff lives on in virtio and WSL2
<Tonymac32> lolz
<Miouyouyou> It's the "outer space" part
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<Tonymac32> Someone sent me a message about my atmega328 board, saying it worked great, and then asking if I ran the DRC and saying the pinout didn't make sense...
* Tonymac32 looks over at RPi hats working on Arduino code
<Tonymac32> ...I thought it made sense...
<lanefu> haha
<lanefu> sounds like they missed the point of the board
<Tonymac32> No, I think they were expecting the labelling to be different
<Tonymac32> I labelled per Uno pins, and the schematic is per RPi pins. Maybe I should be a little more clear
<Miouyouyou> "You didn't make Yet Another Pinout !??? WHY !?"
<Tonymac32> but I also have a nice graphic showing how they line up, and a header file so you can use the RPi numbers
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Miouyouyou> Who looks at "graphics". Real developpers don't need "pretty graphics". They need Reference manuals !
<Tonymac32> hmm
<Miouyouyou> oO( Maybe I could combine the two ... Hmm ...)
<lanefu> im just happy the wiringPi era is over-ish
<Tonymac32> this board exists because I was kind of spinning my wheels with CS and wanted something really easy to design to just keep busy
<Tonymac32> I need to upload a picture of a better one too, that one didn't get cleaned
<lanefu> so i was just looking at your website
<lanefu> it seems you have exactly 2 solutions
<Tonymac32> It is a minimum effort situation
<Tonymac32> Spam the wordpress and block all comments until approved
<Miouyouyou> Maybe make two schematics, one with RPi pins, one with Arduino Pins, with a button on the website to switch between the twos ?
<Tonymac32> hmmm. I could also just put a table in the schematic
<Miouyouyou> Or a table on the wordpress site, if that's what they're looking at for references.
<Miouyouyou> Just find a good HTML5/CSS dev, look at him in the eyes, and start typing "<table>" to see his reaction
<lanefu> cricket one is a cool little board tho
<Tonymac32> Miouyouyou hahahaha <br><br><br>
<Miouyouyou> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<Tonymac32> I have seen that wrapped to 4 lines
<Tonymac32> on real websites
<Tonymac32> I don't even know how that happens
<Miouyouyou> That's how you gauge the dev team average age
<Tonymac32> lanefu thanks, it's kind of minimalist, the final one at least has an LED on it like the Uno
<Tonymac32> and solder jumpers in case you need those last to I/O, you can trade them for one of the SPI or I2C pins
* Tonymac32 learned HTML from MySpace
<Miouyouyou> &nbsp; is a relic of the old age, so they ever have a HTML parser written in Perl or PHP 4, or they're doing some good HTML3 dev with <font face=""> bgcolor and all the glory stuff.
* Tonymac32 sips prune juice
<Tonymac32> when you want to write examples for HAT's, and are très lazy
<Miouyouyou> I was thinking that you might want to trigger a compilation error for GPIO_0 and GPIO_1... But I don't know if you can pull a pragma with #defines
<Tonymac32> yeah, I was trying to think of how to do that, but didn't really spend a lot of time on it
<Tonymac32> because it will compile
<Miouyouyou> "This is not the GPIO you're looking for"
<Tonymac32> I will update it, as the new one has the I2C going to both the normal pins and the ID, and the jumpers can select what 21 and 25 are
<Tonymac32> or 26
<lanefu> ive got some arduino and like an adrafruit gema with micropython... and i just cant thing of anything to do with them w/o wifi
<Tonymac32> I am probably going to put a header for those tiny ESP8266 modules on the higher function boards that have the spare UART to handle AT commands
<Tonymac32> the 8-pin jobs, you know the one
<lanefu> ATDTWIFI
<Tonymac32> fos a cortex M0? sure
<Tonymac32> I think it can SPI as well, I haven't relly looked that hard
<lanefu> that guy
<Tonymac32> yep
<Tonymac32> they're really wee, and cheep
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<lanefu> just enough to put my mainframe on wifi
<Tonymac32> It's either that (relatively maker friendly with a small board footprint) or leaving the pads for the ESP12-S, which is less friendly and more invasive
<Tonymac32> Since, unlike the RPi foundation, I recognize that I make toys
<lanefu> hahah
<lanefu> buuurn
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<lanefu> but there's so many DIN enclosures for your RPI industrial solution
<Miouyouyou> Alright, I found how to generate compilation errors... with GCC ! https://gist.github.com/Miouyouyou/387d513177b598eda6b25648aa4e9aa4
<Tonymac32> I had a lengthy discussion with someone who was about to bury one in a piece of line equipment to replace an old DOS machine
<Tonymac32> Miouyouyou nice
<Miouyouyou> Also works with clang, it seems.
<Tonymac32> hmmm, but will it work on assignment to another variable?
<Tonymac32> I guess somewhere it should trip up the works
<Miouyouyou> Yesh, it also triggers a compilation error when doing assignments
<Miouyouyou> test.c:7:10: error: This is not the GPIO you're looking for
<Miouyouyou> int a = GPIO_0;
<Tonymac32> "all your IO are belong to us. Except those. Keep those."
<Tonymac32> LAnefu I have a small update to the Cricket ONE planned, the ONE+ will use a CH551 USB micro and program the 328PB via SPI to save space on bootloader
<Miouyouyou> _Pragma("GCC error \"We don't welcome peasant RPi'ers here\"")
<Tonymac32> "Pichforks and torches are being distributed
<lanefu> how does that save space
<Tonymac32> no bootloader
<Tonymac32> the 551 acts as an in-circui programmer
<lanefu> ohhhhhhh gotcha
<Miouyouyou> Cloud-based Distributed Pitchforks services
<Miouyouyou> PaaS : Pitchfork as a Service
<Tonymac32> ROFL
<Tonymac32> that is twitter actually
<lanefu> so should i hook my obsidian to my cricket to give it wifi
<Tonymac32> ROFL the most ridiculous WiFi card in history
<lanefu> yeah the esp8266 story on steroids
<Miouyouyou> "Local man tries to add Wifi to crickets"
<Tonymac32> $35 wifi for the $7 arduino
<Tonymac32> given these are using the PB, it has a second UART
<Tonymac32> I could make a reallllyy fast and dirty PCB to adapt to the ESP8266
<Tonymac32> so an "ill-advised WiFi hat"
<Tonymac32> solder jumpers incoming, because it could also just be configured as a WiFi terminal
<Miouyouyou> It's okay, I have a "well-advised tinfoil hat" to counter that.
<Tonymac32> 5G ready?
<Tonymac32> :P
<Miouyouyou> 5G crickets : The last cataclysm
<Miouyouyou> Could make for a nice cliché Horror Movie.
<Tonymac32> the SyFy channel would be all over it
<Tonymac32> right after Sharknado
<Miouyouyou> Invasion of mind-controlling crickets with 5G radio waves
<Tonymac32> they do have antennas
<lanefu> does that atmega chip do anything beta than teh esp8266?
<Tonymac32> antennae*
<Tonymac32> has more IO
<lanefu> s/beta/better
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: does that atmega chip do anything better than teh esp8266?
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> ahh
<Tonymac32> and I don't have to ask permission to sell it
<Miouyouyou> No, for that you'll have to go for atultra chip
<Tonymac32> (Note: hundreds of people make and sell this stuff under the radar, but I know my luck)
* Tonymac32 thought the joke would be ATGIGA
<Miouyouyou> Depends whether you go Computing Science or Pokémon
<Tonymac32> I can't put alt codes in this program to make funny "e"s
<Tonymac32> of course in German I only need the umlaut and the Beta
<Miouyouyou> You still went for "très lazy" though
<Tonymac32> I had to copy/paste the character
<Tonymac32> it was bothering me
<Miouyouyou> Plus, I'd thought english people would at least get "touché"
<lanefu> parsing 3 gigs of access logs
<lanefu> lanefu@armbian:~/logs$ sudo goaccess access-apt.log.1 -o lane-report2.html --log-format=COMBINED
<lanefu> Parsing... [19,547,543] [3,522/s]
<Tonymac32> Y U DO DIS
<Miouyouyou> 3,522 bytes/s
<lanefu> i think its records
<Tonymac32> lanefu my programming jig for the Cricket ONE. I use a Cricket ONE to program the Cricket ONE's https://twitter.com/TonyMac_32/status/1257410218318798852/photo/1
<lanefu> i need to see if there's soem sort of time trend with our users thast check apt repo 240 times a day
<Miouyouyou> Mental illness ? "I hate armbian so I'll fuck their bandwidth" ?
<Tonymac32> every 6 minutes
<lanefu> you've achieved recursive enightent
<lanefu> Miouyouyou: my conspiracy theory is someone made some shit "product" and put armbian on it with a terrible cron job
<lanefu> i bet its that bin2fex guy
<Tonymac32> I used a Sparkfun M0 board to flash the first one because 3.3V
<Tonymac32> the jig has the reset line to the micro cut, and a bosge wire underneath going to the pin the software toggles
<Tonymac32> s/bosge/bodge
<ArmbianHelper> Tonymac32 meant to say: the jig has the reset line to the micro cut, and a bodge wire underneath going to the pin the software toggles
<Miouyouyou> Can't you redirect an IP to teletubbies.com if they pull more than 100 files from the repo in a day ?
<Tonymac32> of jeeze
<lanefu> i wonder if apt respets permanent redirects
<lanefu> s/respets/respects
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: i wonder if apt respects permanent redirects
<Miouyouyou> s/apt/dumb users/g
<ArmbianHelper> Miouyouyou thinks lanefu meant to say: i wonder if dumb users respets permanent redirects
<Miouyouyou> Ah, it goes for the main sentence every time
<lanefu> s/Miouyouyou/youyouMiou/
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: youyouMiou: my conspiracy theory is someone made some shit "product" and put armbian on it with a terrible cron job
<Tonymac32> STAHP
<Miouyouyou> It goes for the last sentence with a replaceable term
<lanefu> i'll abstain from seding an embeddeed sed
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, put an apt repo with packages providing hamster dances for bootsplash images. When you get some forum users complaining about hamsters appearing on boot time, you can then have a talk with them.
<Tonymac32> sedception
<lanefu> so yeah thats the other thing
<lanefu> i took a couple of the top IPs and searched the forum for them and no user matches
<lanefu> granted it was a small sample
<Tonymac32> end users
<Miouyouyou> And what does 'dig -x IP' returns ?
<Miouyouyou> Oh, yeah, end users
<lanefu> yep end user
<lanefu> random ISPs
<lanefu> every idea i have to fix turns into malware
<Miouyouyou> Yeah...
<lanefu> i'm ike we can just make a package that updates configs and reports back
<lanefu> NOOOO
<lanefu> lol
<Miouyouyou> "How about I install a VNC on their systems"
<lanefu> yeah
<Miouyouyou> Just call it "telemetric"
<Miouyouyou> And then do like Firefox, and put 10 different directives for enabling telemetrics.
<lanefu> debian stretch is teh most common
<Miouyouyou> "That will teach ya"
<lanefu> lol
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, the most simple solution is ban for a few days, then wait for the users to complain on the forums, and ask their where they got their system.
<lanefu> but yeah basically a fail2ban type of scenario is what wee'll need to do sadly
<lanefu> yeah good point
<lanefu> catfishing
<lanefu> excuse me why are you here looking for a package update
<Miouyouyou> Then bring the duke and undo their maker
<lanefu> lol
<Tonymac32> limit hits/day?
<Miouyouyou> "Armbian update", the new clicker game
<Miouyouyou> The faster you click, the faster it updates
<Miouyouyou> Or limits hits/week. After 300 hits, you get a free ban for a month.
<lanefu> okay what does history tell us https://dl.armbian.com/_download-stats/lane-report2.html
<Miouyouyou> 22 259 609 valid requests / 453 923 unique visitors
<Miouyouyou> 344 K 404 errors
<Miouyouyou> French people like your Bandwidth
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<Miouyouyou> Bad updaters run at 4h and 22h every day
<Miouyouyou> Which is midnight and 6h on GMT +2
<lanefu> where do you see those 2 hot spots
<Miouyouyou> On your time graph ?
<lanefu> finally got a guess from #debian-mirrors 00:28:08 pabs | lanefu: that sounds like overzealous CI systems with no internal cache
<lanefu> ohh you're looking at hit count and im looking at bandwidth
<Miouyouyou> There's a few French IP from remote 1000 to 5000 persons 'towns'
<lanefu> yeah its super diverse
<lanefu> maybe its retrorangepi :P
<lanefu> too many US users honestly for me to suspect that
<Miouyouyou> Looking at some of these remote place "Linux PC guys", but I don't see why they would go for Armbian
<Miouyouyou> Ah, yeah
<Miouyouyou> I was checking the Hit count
<Miouyouyou> It's the bandwith that matters
<lanefu> anyway its like constant
<lanefu> so i guess ill be making some firewall rules tomorrow
<lanefu> i hope this box isnt using ufw
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<lanefu> any idea the difference between static requests vs files
<lanefu> as far as what that means in that graph tool
<Miouyouyou> So if I take the first IP
<Miouyouyou> The IP Address A.B.C.D was found to have a negative reputation. Reasons for this assessment include:
<Miouyouyou> The host has been observed sending spam in a format that is similar to snow shoe spamming techniques.
<Miouyouyou> The host is unauthorized to send email directly to email servers.
<Miouyouyou> I remember finding a website providing IP reputations with user commnets
<Miouyouyou> Don't remember the address though
<lanefu> take the 2nd
<lanefu> its clean
<lanefu> might have been a red herring
<lanefu> im checking on spamhaus
<Miouyouyou> Ah, yeah, and the IP are scattered through the entire United States
<Werner> Good morning.
<lanefu> hi werner. time for me to goto bed
<lanefu> btw is there some gdpr bullshit makes it risky to have that report available?
<Werner> I have no idea....
<Werner> This stuff is extremely complex that even lawyers strugle with it
<lanefu> anyway its pretty distilled i think there's zero things to gleen from that angle
<lanefu> i'll delete tomorrow
<Miouyouyou> Hmm...
<Miouyouyou> How about : https://kobol.io/ ?
<lanefu> that was another hunch i had
<lanefu> i need to crack open the image i guess
<Miouyouyou> I tried to search for the Netherland IP in the "massive bandwidth eater", it seemed to come from Gorinchem
<lanefu> my helios is just running standard armbian ip
<Miouyouyou> When I searched for Gorinchem Armbian I got https://sg.linkedin.com/organization-guest/company/kobol-io
<lanefu> impressive
<Miouyouyou> Might be a red herring though, but... yeah, better have a look
<lanefu> weell if anybody wants to look through their official image for insane cron jobs
<lanefu> going to bed forealsie later
<Miouyouyou> Alright. Good night lanefu
<Miouyouyou> And good morning Werner
<Werner> Good morning Miou :)
<Werner> Kobol seem not to have own images. They link to armbian dl
<Miouyouyou> During the search, there's also one Netherlander selling OrangePiR1
<Miouyouyou> Does somebody knows which image comes by default with these boards ?
<Werner> Orangepi does not ship sd cards with their boards usually
<Miouyouyou> Oh, great, to get their default image, you have to pass through Baidu : http://www.orangepi.org/downloadresources/orangepiR1/2020-01-16/orangepiR1b486fa23289ff69f73ee70e981.html
<Werner> So the answer is none
<Miouyouyou> They still have an "Ubuntu" and "Debian" image on their website : http://www.orangepi.org/downloadresources/
<Miouyouyou> There's also the Armbian one leading to Armbian website
<Werner> Ah yes. But 5.3.5 does not seem to be an armbian image
<Miouyouyou> But I wonder what they put on the Ubuntu and Debian one
<Miouyouyou> And can't DL through baidu, because they're forcing their downloader bullshit
<Werner> I got the image via google drive
<Miouyouyou> Weird, I tried it and it told me that it reached its download limits
<lanefu> Or maybe OMV?
<Miouyouyou> You'd think that OMV goes Armbian ?
<lanefu> I sent gprovost
<lanefu> Arm omv goes to armbian
<Tonymac32> yes
<Werner> Maybe I was lucky. I'll take a look at it later but I still believe this one is harmless. I would be more curious about the image they provided where they fixed the OPi zero temperature issue...
<Werner> g2g now. Later
<Miouyouyou> Alright, see you later
<Miouyouyou> https://forum.openmediavault.org/index.php?thread/28789-installing-omv5-on-raspberry-pi-s-armbian-sbc-s-i386-32-bit-platforms/
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<Miouyouyou> I guess that ban and then wait for complaints could work... If the users care about updates anyway.
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<Werner> So...I guess Orange Pi is not the cause. Both the 5.3.5 and the 5.4.27 with the zero temp fix seem to be "clean"
<Werner> Not sure how they want to provide kernel updates for the rebranded armbian image if they removed our sources as well
<Werner> s/if/because/
<ArmbianHelper> Werner meant to say: Not sure how they want to provide kernel updates for the rebranded armbian image because they removed our sources as well
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): Interestingly not enough that actually @armbian reached out to you and not invers. But also that noone could find any public patches yet. So where are they? It's been over a month now. No worries btw in case you dismiss. I will keep nagging you. 🙃 https://t.co/s6gnoJAjgf (16s ago)
<Werner> These guys really starting to piss me off.
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<Tonymac32> sheesh
<ArmbianTwitter> @orangepixunlong (OrangePi): @DieZuckerbude @armbian My manager has contacted with the Armbian team, for more details, I guess that @armbian will explain.thanks. (30s ago)
<Werner> And that is the moment where we all have the yao ming face meme in our head...
<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @orangepixunlong @armbian Looking forward for that... (13s ago)
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<Werner> Morning Igor. Hope you had some coffee before checking Twitter :P
<IgorPec> good morning. i am multitasking
<IgorPec> drinking coffee and exploring the news
<Werner> Human SMP
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<ArmbianTwitter> @SipeedIO (Sipeed): @Neko_Ed 3. 4xA7@1.2GHz, 512MB 32bit DDR3, with 3 camera interface, MIPI dsi, 1000M eth, wifi+bt, ..., 1.5TOPS, run debian (maybe armbian?), MaixPy include too (31s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @SipeedIO (Sipeed): @Neko_Ed 4. 4xA73 or 4xA55, 2 or 4 GB 64bit DDR4, many peripheral... 1.5T or 5T, run debian(or armbian?) MaixPy include. $25 or $40 (26s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): I guess I have to thank @armbian as their project is the main reason I became more active on @github over the past year(s). (12s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): Software support: https://t.co/J3rc68a4SD https://t.co/g6yDaZUxrS (13s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @nileshgr (Nilesh): @armbian A friend of mine was struggling with bananapi and I suggested him to try armbian and he was mind blown how flawlessly it worked. Good work ✌👍 (31s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @nileshgr: @armbian A friend of mine was struggling with bananapi and I suggested him to try armbian and he was mind blown how flawlessl… (23s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @nileshgr @armbian For me was a huge change. Suffering with my #BananaPiPro before I discovered @armbian and till now using every day more or less as a server 24/7 (26s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @3mdeb_com (3mdeb): #Opensource. The most reasonable way to #distribute and share the results of our work. Our #projects and #commits to open repositories you will find here: @coreboot_org @yoctoproject @Linux @TrenchBoot @armbian https://t.co/f5dW2ujobF https://t.co/d2LR99wdC3 (11s ago)
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<[TheBug]> IgorPec: you around by chance?
<IgorPec> yes
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<[TheBug]> IgorPec: was gonna let you know Kotc is around atm so if you wanted to pm him about the EBin thing maybe he can test or help a bit? Just give him a pm
<IgorPec> [ok
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @Neko_Ed @SipeedIO @SipeedIO reach out on the Armbian forums concerning support as soon as you can share SoC specifics. I think you'll get a wider range of opinions that way as well. Dev samples are always welcome for evaluation of fit into Armbian's system. (29s ago)
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<lanefu> IgorPec: FYI I'm working on a script to identify the IPs of the abusing apt requestors, and then ban on firewall for 7 days
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<lanefu> yeah i was looking at fail2ban earlier, but it didnt seem like a good fit
<lanefu> but i'll take another look
<IgorPec> well, i also can't tell if this is a perfect tool
<lanefu> it's really oriented around watching logs in real time for failures
<lanefu> where our criteria is too many successful requests of a cert type in a day
<IgorPec> yeah. hard to say if this is covered
<lanefu> i was hoping i could just give fail2ban a list of bad IPs and let it take care of the hard part, but didnt seem so.. anyway i'll look again.. my friends suggested the same
<lanefu> i pretty much have the bad IP list generating taken care of
<lanefu> egrep 'Contents-(armhf|arm64).gz' access-apt.log.1 |sudo goaccess --no-global-config -p goaccess-offender.conf -o offenders.json
<lanefu> cat offenders.json |jq -C -S '.hosts|.data|.[]|{ip: .data, hits: .hits.count, megabytes: (.bytes.count / 1024/ 1024)}'
<IgorPec> well then just make an action and done
<lanefu> I'm ashamed of myself everytime I use jq, but sometimes its just easy to filter data
<IgorPec> i use it to sometimes :)
<lanefu> mostly i'm trying to solve for the IP only being temporaily banned.. since they're mostly residential IPs, id on't thin we want to ban forever
<IgorPec> its default armbian tool since a week ago :) https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/4947af7bf7d045474a0db337dd011d737d843f16
<IgorPec> temporal ban would be best, yes
<lanefu> haha! its a bright future
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<lanefu> maybe i'll just have a couple of files to rotate a list
<lanefu> i may be trying to be too elegant
<IgorPec> probably you will be faster then studying fail2ban ... which takes care for many other thigns
<lanefu> i chatted with #debian-mirrors
<IgorPec> and?
<lanefu> and they pretty much have hte same thoughts... someone misconfigured a bunch of devices
<lanefu> no real solution other than what we're doing
<lanefu> they also semi offered anotehr mirror for the apt stuff,b tu we'll see
<IgorPec> got it. perhaps we should think about fail2ban on all services
<IgorPec> but that depends how our new deal will be made
<lanefu> yeah.. new deal will impact a lot
<lanefu> anyway i'll get this knocked out... so we can see our real bandwidth use
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<IgorPec> for my personal needs and for a mirror that i host at home, i have Ispconfig
<lanefu> also... RC Freeze tomorrow!
<IgorPec> where fail2ban comes installed by default
<IgorPec> yes, i am working on it :)
<IgorPec> i hope i will squeeze more stuff, but in general i did what i wanted
<lanefu> okay. now that i'm reading docs more closely, fail2ban looks pretty good :P
<IgorPec> this one look to be creative about something ... zz-update-extlinux
<[TheBug]> lanefu: pm when you have a minute pls and thank you :)
<lanefu> IgorPec: its weird even the armbianmonitor -u output looks incomplete http://ix.io/2rQq
<IgorPec> yes, it looks that something important / vital is missing
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<Tonymac32> A discussion on the amlogic kernel mailing list about why 5.7 has no audio, apparently someone decided to change the meaning of some flags and didn't give a shit if it broke everything around it
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<Tonymac32> (The patch mentioned earlier as the potential culprit)
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<archetech> hiyas have ya seen the new N2+ ?
<Tonymac32> yeah, uplckocked, downcooled
<Tonymac32> s/upckocked/upclocked
<ArmbianHelper> Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<Tonymac32> gah I can't even type wrong on purpose
<Tonymac32> ok
<Tonymac32> upclocked*
<Tonymac32> more speed, less cooler
<Tonymac32> should be identical to N2 otherwise I thik
<Tonymac32> think* arg
<Tonymac32> Solder paste: 5000 products. Filter for room temperature storage: 5
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<nekomancer[m]> chewitt: I set to my N2 `Linux droid 5.7.9-meson64 #trunk.40 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 17 18:12:38 UTC 2020` from nightly. but seems /dev/rtc stull point to wakeup timer. What's wrong? Shouldn't I get a patch you merged https://github.com/chewitt/linux/commit/25db1cd3522903f4b7bb62cba2c0da60e5c76064 ?
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<lanefu> yo
<nekomancer[m]> yo
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