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<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 is hiding again I see
<lanefu>
he was here 2 or 3 times
<Tonymac32>
I saw in the history, must need to rotate IP's again :P
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
so did you catch wind of how we're spewing bandwidth
<lanefu>
that was my impact in like 2001 when i worked at sears... i called it the duke.. got laid off
<lanefu>
and one of the guys rebuilt it for me and painted it red and i got it back when i went back
<Tonymac32>
how old is that? mine is just a Harbor freight Earthquake that looks like it was drug behind a truck for a while
<lanefu>
fast forward. moved to virginia in 2004.. and didn't hook it up to air compressor until.. 2016?
<Miouyouyou>
And then Viriginia was no more
<lanefu>
didnt work at first.. but i spray air tool oil in it. and gave it a push start while holding trigger and it woke up
<lanefu>
Miouyouyou: its true, its not what it was, but is
<Tonymac32>
push start while giving it air, , no love of having fingers haha
<Miouyouyou>
The duke make and unmake states, one at a time, with Lanefu
<lanefu>
hahahaha
<Tonymac32>
People from the UK seem to like my RPi Arduino Uno clone haha
<Tonymac32>
But not people from France. They are too good for it I guess...
<Tonymac32>
XD
<lanefu>
french people want something iwth a kernel
<Tonymac32>
"Where we're going, we don't need any kernel"
<Miouyouyou>
Should have called it "Arduino Un" instead
<lanefu>
oui oui device tree mon ami
<Tonymac32>
oui
<Miouyouyou>
ouais
<lanefu>
.. arduino
<Tonymac32>
I did horrible in French class, but it was not speaking, it was using too many letters
<Tonymac32>
and too mane 'e's
<lanefu>
help
<ArmbianHelper>
Check out our awesome documentation! It's tremendous, promise! https://docs.armbian.com/
<lanefu>
. arduino
<Miouyouyou>
All these 'e'.... Vietnam flashbacks
<lanefu>
charlieeeeeeeeeee
<Miouyouyou>
. hard oui no
<Tonymac32>
...the irony of mentioning Vietnam and France at the same time...
* Tonymac32
knows some history
<Miouyouyou>
Yup
<lanefu>
apparently armbianhelper only translats when Werner is looking
* lanefu
knows less history whats the rub
<Miouyouyou>
Well, people don't mention US and Vietnam for their nice and fruitful relationships
<Tonymac32>
we only went in there to reinforce our European ally
<Tonymac32>
:P
<Miouyouyou>
And flex some muscles
<Tonymac32>
was a dumb idea
<Miouyouyou>
But Vietnam wins. Always !
<lanefu>
white savior syndrome, but america and a country instead?
<Miouyouyou>
History: France tried to invade Vietnam for Michelin and "Rubber trees"
<lanefu>
OH!
<lanefu>
wowzers
<Miouyouyou>
Didn't turn well
<Tonymac32>
So was a colony of France, France abandoned it, we actually aided in their drafting of a constitution (communist even), and then France wanted it back and Russia was bad and had nuclear weapons so we went in
<Tonymac32>
the rest is well documented in classic rock and movies
<Miouyouyou>
The best sources for history
<Tonymac32>
hahahaha
<Tonymac32>
there's usually less government... supervision of music. ;)
<Miouyouyou>
Well, we had a president who used its powers to create a studio for her singing wife
<Miouyouyou>
Didn't turn well too
<Tonymac32>
lol
<Tonymac32>
I was looking at approval ratings, I am almost certain there isn't a single western leader with a good position right now
<Tonymac32>
Maybe in one of the smaller EU countries
<Miouyouyou>
"Good leaders are like eagles. There's none at this altitude." (c) Demotivators
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Miouyouyou>
So what are you building with RPi clones and impact drivers
<Miouyouyou>
Going for shell oil too ?
<Tonymac32>
I'm not using them at the same time
<Tonymac32>
the little Pi 0 Uno board was just a fun distraction
* lanefu
has combined welder, drill press and SBCs thanks to SBC tree
<Miouyouyou>
"It was a ruse to divert people attention"
<lanefu>
haha
* Tonymac32
thinks lanefu is showing off
<Miouyouyou>
What has SBC tree done !
<Tonymac32>
it is like an SBC coatrack
<lanefu>
it helped my seek attention
<lanefu>
and teach twitter about the conductivity of paint on steel
<Miouyouyou>
Twitter has become sentient... it learns !
<lanefu>
it collects bitcoin too
<Tonymac32>
the only truth is attention seeking behavior in social media
<Tonymac32>
lanefu hahaha, does it call itself Elon?
<Miouyouyou>
So it's literrally mining for bitcoins, by drilling ?
<Tonymac32>
It has a diamond pickaxe
<Miouyouyou>
Given that on my chat lanefu appears green, I guess he's a creeper with a diamond pickaxe drilling machine mining for bitcoins
* Tonymac32
has no LED's for his production intent boards. *pulls up digikey*
<Miouyouyou>
"Buy 50 rolls of 2000 leds"
<Miouyouyou>
"WTB 12K LED. 10g. PM ME offers"
<Tonymac32>
lol
* Tonymac32
uses an IR LED
<lanefu>
IRL led
<Tonymac32>
O RLY?
<Miouyouyou>
You should build VR sensors
<Miouyouyou>
The one provided by Valve make such a stupidly high pitch noise.
<Tonymac32>
ew,
<Miouyouyou>
And then there's the Flight sim guys building Positional Tracking system with 3 leds wired together with coat hangers
<Tonymac32>
Würth Elektronik: The extra stern electronik
<Miouyouyou>
Do you need an extra star, though ?
<Miouyouyou>
Think about the weight, and how much it will cost to deliver it
<Tonymac32>
haha
<Tonymac32>
Digikey will have it here by Saturday
<Tonymac32>
:P
<Miouyouyou>
Last time some dinos tried this, it didn't end well for them
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Miouyouyou>
Yaaay
<Tonymac32>
I was tempted to use a ridiculous color, but it is very expensive
<Miouyouyou>
Just tear some "gaming" stuff apart, and you'll have your rainbow leds for the cheap
<Tonymac32>
hahahaha
<Miouyouyou>
Then make a "Gaming" edition of all your products
<Tonymac32>
I was raised by very stern people, so I usually just get boring things without lots of colors
* Tonymac32
would not want to upset grandmother Mueller
<Miouyouyou>
I'd thought star people would be more bright, but ok
* Tonymac32
looks around and realizes he really isn't joking
<Miouyouyou>
Ach
<Tonymac32>
I actually chose my computer case because it was quite plain, no brash chrome or LED's or anything
<Tonymac32>
huh
<Miouyouyou>
This is becoming harder and harder to do.
<Tonymac32>
Yes it is.
<Miouyouyou>
Plus these rainbow leds never stop, even after you power the computer down
<Tonymac32>
yeah, they put them on the standby power rail
<Tonymac32>
because
<Miouyouyou>
You have to cut the juice for the whole thing to stop
<Tonymac32>
Apparently all the computer case designers currently live in fraternities and use their PC to light the bar
<Miouyouyou>
Because "The party never stops !"
* Tonymac32
is pretty sure we just said the same thing
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah :3
<Miouyouyou>
So, when are you going to release little 'Fragging' Pi 0 Uno Gaming edition ?
* Tonymac32
adds some i.MX parts to his cart, doesn't make eye contact with Lanefu...
<Miouyouyou>
Were lanefu attacked by i.MX boards when he was younger ?
<Tonymac32>
I haven't actually done anything with a linux-capable SoC yet, on my list of things
<Tonymac32>
lanefu mentioned the huge bandwidth leak we seem to have, and said I wasn't a suspect unless he saw me buying some NXP stuff
<Miouyouyou>
Do you really need Linux for simple automative tasks, though ?
<Tonymac32>
No, honestly I prefer to avoid it for small control jobs
<Miouyouyou>
I mean, unless you're making some multitasking UI driven tool, an OS always seems overkill
<Tonymac32>
Linux in an embedded space can look a lot like those automatic seat belts from the early 90's
<Miouyouyou>
And then there's Windows Embedded
<Miouyouyou>
I like how the QT team is now trying to convince people to not go the HTML5 route, instead of QT
<lanefu>
If QT steers people away from javascript im good
<Miouyouyou>
I'd take them seriously if their QML UI designer would help creating nice UI quickly and efficiently... But their defaults area really fugly
<Miouyouyou>
Not really
<Miouyouyou>
Since QML embeds a Javascript engine
<lanefu>
oh
<Miouyouyou>
With even less Debugging tools than the browsers one
<Miouyouyou>
But you still have to build the engine with C++
<lanefu>
but if it wasnt for QT there'd be no KDE
<lanefu>
and actually also no gnome
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah...
<Miouyouyou>
And no KHTML
<Miouyouyou>
so no Webkit
<Tonymac32>
Palm WebOS, 2009
<Tonymac32>
rofl
<Miouyouyou>
But still... Every time I build something with QT Creator, I'm like "Could you make it... so that it really looks like a specialized tool ?"
<Tonymac32>
bell-labs, alcatel, lucent, man, there's a lot of big old musty stuff in this room
<Miouyouyou>
They're not old. They have support for CVS 1.11
<lanefu>
meanwhile the plan9FS stuff lives on in virtio and WSL2
<Tonymac32>
lolz
<Miouyouyou>
It's the "outer space" part
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<Tonymac32>
Someone sent me a message about my atmega328 board, saying it worked great, and then asking if I ran the DRC and saying the pinout didn't make sense...
* Tonymac32
looks over at RPi hats working on Arduino code
<Tonymac32>
...I thought it made sense...
<lanefu>
haha
<lanefu>
sounds like they missed the point of the board
<Tonymac32>
No, I think they were expecting the labelling to be different
<Tonymac32>
I labelled per Uno pins, and the schematic is per RPi pins. Maybe I should be a little more clear
<Miouyouyou>
"You didn't make Yet Another Pinout !??? WHY !?"
<Tonymac32>
but I also have a nice graphic showing how they line up, and a header file so you can use the RPi numbers
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Miouyouyou>
Who looks at "graphics". Real developpers don't need "pretty graphics". They need Reference manuals !
<Tonymac32>
hmm
<Miouyouyou>
oO( Maybe I could combine the two ... Hmm ...)
<lanefu>
im just happy the wiringPi era is over-ish
<Tonymac32>
this board exists because I was kind of spinning my wheels with CS and wanted something really easy to design to just keep busy
<Tonymac32>
I need to upload a picture of a better one too, that one didn't get cleaned
<lanefu>
so i was just looking at your website
<lanefu>
it seems you have exactly 2 solutions
<Tonymac32>
It is a minimum effort situation
<Tonymac32>
Spam the wordpress and block all comments until approved
<Miouyouyou>
Maybe make two schematics, one with RPi pins, one with Arduino Pins, with a button on the website to switch between the twos ?
<Tonymac32>
hmmm. I could also just put a table in the schematic
<Miouyouyou>
Or a table on the wordpress site, if that's what they're looking at for references.
<Miouyouyou>
Just find a good HTML5/CSS dev, look at him in the eyes, and start typing "<table>" to see his reaction
<lanefu>
cricket one is a cool little board tho
<Tonymac32>
Miouyouyou hahahaha <br><br><br>
<Miouyouyou>
<Tonymac32>
I have seen that wrapped to 4 lines
<Tonymac32>
on real websites
<Tonymac32>
I don't even know how that happens
<Miouyouyou>
That's how you gauge the dev team average age
<Tonymac32>
lanefu thanks, it's kind of minimalist, the final one at least has an LED on it like the Uno
<Tonymac32>
and solder jumpers in case you need those last to I/O, you can trade them for one of the SPI or I2C pins
* Tonymac32
learned HTML from MySpace
<Miouyouyou>
is a relic of the old age, so they ever have a HTML parser written in Perl or PHP 4, or they're doing some good HTML3 dev with <font face=""> bgcolor and all the glory stuff.
<Tonymac32>
when you want to write examples for HAT's, and are très lazy
<Miouyouyou>
I was thinking that you might want to trigger a compilation error for GPIO_0 and GPIO_1... But I don't know if you can pull a pragma with #defines
<Tonymac32>
yeah, I was trying to think of how to do that, but didn't really spend a lot of time on it
<Tonymac32>
because it will compile
<Miouyouyou>
"This is not the GPIO you're looking for"
<Tonymac32>
I will update it, as the new one has the I2C going to both the normal pins and the ID, and the jumpers can select what 21 and 25 are
<Tonymac32>
or 26
<lanefu>
ive got some arduino and like an adrafruit gema with micropython... and i just cant thing of anything to do with them w/o wifi
<Tonymac32>
I am probably going to put a header for those tiny ESP8266 modules on the higher function boards that have the spare UART to handle AT commands
<Tonymac32>
the 8-pin jobs, you know the one
<lanefu>
ATDTWIFI
<Tonymac32>
fos a cortex M0? sure
<Tonymac32>
I think it can SPI as well, I haven't relly looked that hard
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<lanefu>
just enough to put my mainframe on wifi
<Tonymac32>
It's either that (relatively maker friendly with a small board footprint) or leaving the pads for the ESP12-S, which is less friendly and more invasive
<Tonymac32>
Since, unlike the RPi foundation, I recognize that I make toys
<lanefu>
hahah
<lanefu>
buuurn
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<lanefu>
but there's so many DIN enclosures for your RPI industrial solution
<Tonymac32>
I had a lengthy discussion with someone who was about to bury one in a piece of line equipment to replace an old DOS machine
<Tonymac32>
Miouyouyou nice
<Miouyouyou>
Also works with clang, it seems.
<Tonymac32>
hmmm, but will it work on assignment to another variable?
<Tonymac32>
I guess somewhere it should trip up the works
<Miouyouyou>
Yesh, it also triggers a compilation error when doing assignments
<Miouyouyou>
test.c:7:10: error: This is not the GPIO you're looking for
<Miouyouyou>
int a = GPIO_0;
<Tonymac32>
"all your IO are belong to us. Except those. Keep those."
<Tonymac32>
LAnefu I have a small update to the Cricket ONE planned, the ONE+ will use a CH551 USB micro and program the 328PB via SPI to save space on bootloader
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: youyouMiou: my conspiracy theory is someone made some shit "product" and put armbian on it with a terrible cron job
<Tonymac32>
STAHP
<Miouyouyou>
It goes for the last sentence with a replaceable term
<lanefu>
i'll abstain from seding an embeddeed sed
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah, put an apt repo with packages providing hamster dances for bootsplash images. When you get some forum users complaining about hamsters appearing on boot time, you can then have a talk with them.
<Tonymac32>
sedception
<lanefu>
so yeah thats the other thing
<lanefu>
i took a couple of the top IPs and searched the forum for them and no user matches
<lanefu>
granted it was a small sample
<Tonymac32>
end users
<Miouyouyou>
And what does 'dig -x IP' returns ?
<Miouyouyou>
Oh, yeah, end users
<lanefu>
yep end user
<lanefu>
random ISPs
<lanefu>
every idea i have to fix turns into malware
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah...
<lanefu>
i'm ike we can just make a package that updates configs and reports back
<lanefu>
NOOOO
<lanefu>
lol
<Miouyouyou>
"How about I install a VNC on their systems"
<lanefu>
yeah
<Miouyouyou>
Just call it "telemetric"
<Miouyouyou>
And then do like Firefox, and put 10 different directives for enabling telemetrics.
<lanefu>
debian stretch is teh most common
<Miouyouyou>
"That will teach ya"
<lanefu>
lol
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah, the most simple solution is ban for a few days, then wait for the users to complain on the forums, and ask their where they got their system.
<lanefu>
but yeah basically a fail2ban type of scenario is what wee'll need to do sadly
<lanefu>
yeah good point
<lanefu>
catfishing
<lanefu>
excuse me why are you here looking for a package update
<Miouyouyou>
Then bring the duke and undo their maker
<lanefu>
lol
<Tonymac32>
limit hits/day?
<Miouyouyou>
"Armbian update", the new clicker game
<Miouyouyou>
The faster you click, the faster it updates
<Miouyouyou>
Or limits hits/week. After 300 hits, you get a free ban for a month.
<Miouyouyou>
There's also the Armbian one leading to Armbian website
<Werner>
Ah yes. But 5.3.5 does not seem to be an armbian image
<Miouyouyou>
But I wonder what they put on the Ubuntu and Debian one
<Miouyouyou>
And can't DL through baidu, because they're forcing their downloader bullshit
<Werner>
I got the image via google drive
<Miouyouyou>
Weird, I tried it and it told me that it reached its download limits
<lanefu>
Or maybe OMV?
<Miouyouyou>
You'd think that OMV goes Armbian ?
<lanefu>
I sent gprovost
<lanefu>
Arm omv goes to armbian
<Tonymac32>
yes
<Werner>
Maybe I was lucky. I'll take a look at it later but I still believe this one is harmless. I would be more curious about the image they provided where they fixed the OPi zero temperature issue...
<Miouyouyou>
I guess that ban and then wait for complaints could work... If the users care about updates anyway.
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<Werner>
So...I guess Orange Pi is not the cause. Both the 5.3.5 and the 5.4.27 with the zero temp fix seem to be "clean"
<Werner>
Not sure how they want to provide kernel updates for the rebranded armbian image if they removed our sources as well
<Werner>
s/if/because/
<ArmbianHelper>
Werner meant to say: Not sure how they want to provide kernel updates for the rebranded armbian image because they removed our sources as well
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): Interestingly not enough that actually @armbian reached out to you and not invers. But also that noone could find any public patches yet. So where are they? It's been over a month now. No worries btw in case you dismiss. I will keep nagging you. 🙃 https://t.co/s6gnoJAjgf (16s ago)
<Werner>
These guys really starting to piss me off.
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<Tonymac32>
sheesh
<ArmbianTwitter>
@orangepixunlong (OrangePi): @DieZuckerbude @armbian My manager has contacted with the Armbian team, for more details, I guess that @armbian will explain.thanks. (30s ago)
<Werner>
And that is the moment where we all have the yao ming face meme in our head...
<Werner>
Morning Igor. Hope you had some coffee before checking Twitter :P
<IgorPec>
good morning. i am multitasking
<IgorPec>
drinking coffee and exploring the news
<Werner>
Human SMP
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@SipeedIO (Sipeed): @Neko_Ed 3. 4xA7@1.2GHz, 512MB 32bit DDR3, with 3 camera interface, MIPI dsi, 1000M eth, wifi+bt, ..., 1.5TOPS, run debian (maybe armbian?), MaixPy include too (31s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@SipeedIO (Sipeed): @Neko_Ed 4. 4xA73 or 4xA55, 2 or 4 GB 64bit DDR4, many peripheral... 1.5T or 5T, run debian(or armbian?) MaixPy include. $25 or $40 (26s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): I guess I have to thank @armbian as their project is the main reason I became more active on @github over the past year(s). (12s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@nileshgr (Nilesh): @armbian A friend of mine was struggling with bananapi and I suggested him to try armbian and he was mind blown how flawlessly it worked. Good work ✌👍 (31s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): RT @nileshgr: @armbian A friend of mine was struggling with bananapi and I suggested him to try armbian and he was mind blown how flawlessl… (23s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @nileshgr @armbian For me was a huge change. Suffering with my #BananaPiPro before I discovered @armbian and till now using every day more or less as a server 24/7 (26s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@3mdeb_com (3mdeb): #Opensource. The most reasonable way to #distribute and share the results of our work. Our #projects and #commits to open repositories you will find here: @coreboot_org @yoctoproject @Linux @TrenchBoot @armbian https://t.co/f5dW2ujobFhttps://t.co/d2LR99wdC3 (11s ago)
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<[TheBug]>
IgorPec: you around by chance?
<IgorPec>
yes
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<[TheBug]>
IgorPec: was gonna let you know Kotc is around atm so if you wanted to pm him about the EBin thing maybe he can test or help a bit? Just give him a pm
<IgorPec>
[ok
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @Neko_Ed @SipeedIO @SipeedIO reach out on the Armbian forums concerning support as soon as you can share SoC specifics. I think you'll get a wider range of opinions that way as well. Dev samples are always welcome for evaluation of fit into Armbian's system. (29s ago)
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<lanefu>
IgorPec: FYI I'm working on a script to identify the IPs of the abusing apt requestors, and then ban on firewall for 7 days
<lanefu>
yeah i was looking at fail2ban earlier, but it didnt seem like a good fit
<lanefu>
but i'll take another look
<IgorPec>
well, i also can't tell if this is a perfect tool
<lanefu>
it's really oriented around watching logs in real time for failures
<lanefu>
where our criteria is too many successful requests of a cert type in a day
<IgorPec>
yeah. hard to say if this is covered
<lanefu>
i was hoping i could just give fail2ban a list of bad IPs and let it take care of the hard part, but didnt seem so.. anyway i'll look again.. my friends suggested the same
<lanefu>
i pretty much have the bad IP list generating taken care of
<lanefu>
I'm ashamed of myself everytime I use jq, but sometimes its just easy to filter data
<IgorPec>
i use it to sometimes :)
<lanefu>
mostly i'm trying to solve for the IP only being temporaily banned.. since they're mostly residential IPs, id on't thin we want to ban forever
<IgorPec>
this one look to be creative about something ... zz-update-extlinux
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: pm when you have a minute pls and thank you :)
<lanefu>
IgorPec: its weird even the armbianmonitor -u output looks incomplete http://ix.io/2rQq
<IgorPec>
yes, it looks that something important / vital is missing
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<Tonymac32>
A discussion on the amlogic kernel mailing list about why 5.7 has no audio, apparently someone decided to change the meaning of some flags and didn't give a shit if it broke everything around it
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<Tonymac32>
(The patch mentioned earlier as the potential culprit)
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<archetech>
hiyas have ya seen the new N2+ ?
<Tonymac32>
yeah, uplckocked, downcooled
<Tonymac32>
s/upckocked/upclocked
<ArmbianHelper>
Error: Search not found in the last 1000 messages.
<Tonymac32>
gah I can't even type wrong on purpose
<Tonymac32>
ok
<Tonymac32>
upclocked*
<Tonymac32>
more speed, less cooler
<Tonymac32>
should be identical to N2 otherwise I thik
<Tonymac32>
think* arg
<Tonymac32>
Solder paste: 5000 products. Filter for room temperature storage: 5
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