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<ArmbianTwitter>
@bigbrovar (Othell Yarwyck): @samobirieze Armbian it is a Debian based distribution for arm single board computers (besides the raspberry pi) (18s ago)
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<c0rnelius>
as if rpi4 support is hard to accomplish.
<c0rnelius>
now if they said active mainline support? working on bringing it to the masses!
<lanefu>
most of their work could have been applied through the userpatches framework already in place
<c0rnelius>
looks like they mostly just stole all ur guys shit and re-framed it.
<c0rnelius>
which is fine. its opensource and all.
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @GoVanguard Hey there.. Looks pretty good.. I think most of your customizations could be achieved through the userpatches framework already built into the @armbian build scripts. You may want to consider re-factoring into that, as it will be easy to keep in sync with upstream Armbian (7s ago)
<lanefu>
yeah.. i mean defintely lots of branding work involved
<lanefu>
would be great for them to contribute some of the desktop optimizations
<lanefu>
hell maybe even the unsupported RPI build options
<c0rnelius>
the pi stuff is easy. its all right there laid out. you just need to build the packages and make a few adjustments here and there.
<lanefu>
yeah and if somebod does all of that, then great :P
<lanefu>
....but also not supporting RPI keeps newbs away
<ArmbianHelper>
..but also not supporting RPI keeps newbs away [en~>eng]
<lanefu>
we hurt enough on that front
<c0rnelius>
i have a pi builder
<c0rnelius>
its not complicated
<c0rnelius>
the mainline stuff interests me for sure. its coming along, but still ways off.
<lanefu>
hows rpi3 mainline support
<c0rnelius>
i've never been able to get it to boot.
<lanefu>
lol
<c0rnelius>
aarch64 anyway. never tried armv7l
<c0rnelius>
bcm2711 boots. bluetooth and wifi and most other things work on aarch64.
<c0rnelius>
although I can't get 5GHz wifi
<c0rnelius>
I think it might be a region thing
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<c0rnelius>
as for the pi3. mainline only creates a bcm2837 dtb and I believe its incomplete. It will boot, but can't find the root system.
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<lanefu>
my poor build server is double compiling
<lanefu>
build a kernel while building same thing in a VM for CI testing
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): It's fun to see @armbian serving as trusted base platform for another project https://t.co/gbNiFB6PoE (3s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@GoVanguard (GoVanguard): @lanefu @armbian We considered that initially, but as we were drawing up the longterm roadmap for our needs, it stopped making sense. Karmbian, as it stands, is a starting point. Heavy divergence from Armbian is on the horizon which will differentiate the distribution significantly. (27s ago)
<nekomancer[m]>
rude
<lanefu>
haaha
<[TheBug]>
"Heavy divergence"
<lanefu>
yeah "we're just borrowing your brand and plan to shit on your work"
<archetech>
laughable lack of creative naming
<lanefu>
in other news: Processing file /home/lane/GIT/build/patch/kernel/meson64-current/board-libretech-pc-dts-add-sound.patch
<lanefu>
patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
<Tonymac32>
yeah, it works though
<Tonymac32>
I'm not sure exactly* how to clear that up
<Tonymac32>
it actually happens on a pile of those patches
<Tonymac32>
* redoing each patch would fix that. If it was borked, I would consider it, but it works. Unless lanefu can say differently
<Tonymac32>
At this moment I need to figure out how to fix the asound.state to use the DAC out of the box, my first try failed for reasons I'm not sure I completely get, probably control numbers are off, but then how does the normal setup work?
<Tonymac32>
So I have this. Fun fact one of those tiny 25mm fans will screw into the heat sink fin area, but that's beside the point
<Tonymac32>
the only flaw I saw was the gimmick about it having only 1 screw to put it together
<Tonymac32>
it can rock on that screw, which means the heat sink isn't quite stable on the SoC
<Tonymac32>
but it moves the heat quite nicely
<Tonymac32>
And I can't find the literature, but I also have a "maker" case thing for the Tinker from Asus, it's got a big heatsink with fan and a steel plate it sits on with standoffs, leaving the top open
<Tonymac32>
that heat sink should have been anaccessory available for 100% of these
<Tonymac32>
I've never known an engine that was happy to be retimed with channel-locks, but this one is still runnign today, so
<lanefu>
haha yeah dude that plate looks awesome
<lanefu>
yeah what did it cost to get that plate cut?
<Tonymac32>
I think because I only got 1 it was $65. I had the idea I might add them as an upsell option on my boards, but wanted to try it out
<Tonymac32>
there's a $35 setup fee
<Tonymac32>
sorry material fee
<Tonymac32>
then the setup is divided by # of pieces
<Tonymac32>
in this case, 1
<Tonymac32>
so, 100, assuming I could sell them, would be reasonable
<lanefu>
not bad really
<lanefu>
like i dont think a machinist would charge less
<lanefu>
Alright im giving up on today. Adios
<Tonymac32>
later on
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<Tonymac32>
Good Morning, and good night XD
<IgorPec>
good night :)
<IgorPec>
and good morning
* IgorPec
needs coffee
* Tonymac32
just compiled weechat and set it up, could use coffee as well
<Tonymac32>
but should sleep instead
<Werner>
Morning
<IgorPec>
morning
<Werner>
Played a little around with spreadshirt and teespring. Teespring had not the best reviews in the past so I discarded them. Spreadshirt frusted me because their system could not properly detect a two color svg file...
<IgorPec>
what about our penguin ? :)
<IgorPec>
picture too low q?
<Werner>
Found the author. Need to message him. Was not active for years so no idea if he will respond
<Werner>
It wont look good if you just cut it from the wallpaper. Too low quality and the edges probably will look terrible due to anti-aliasing
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@orangepixunlong (OrangePi): Thanks for all the fans who apply for our part-time job, We are happy to have these three candidates for supporting our OPI community! Hope we will make a stronger forum like @armbian or RPI. We are sorry we can only provide three positions this time, but more needs coming around https://t.co/31wfwWPpwu (11s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): All SBCs running @armbian It looks messy but it could be worse 🙈 https://t.co/545mrpvK1B (11s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@BolverBlitz (Marc): @DieZuckerbude @armbian To fix the wiggle off the table? 😂 https://t.co/1DUu87HbvZ (14s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): RT @DieZuckerbude: All SBCs running @armbian It looks messy but it could be worse 🙈 https://t.co/545mrpvK1B (18s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @BolverBlitz @armbian I like living on the edge 😁 (22s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): Flashing @armbian on @armbian with @balena_io #etcher for ARM https://t.co/AiEatCISPv (3s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @raspberrytorpes @armbian @balena_io Maybe consider switching to #USBimager instead. Less controversy about #spyware https://t.co/gYCIiAuFdqhttps://t.co/jraAmKXfPx (20s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @DieZuckerbude @armbian @balena_io Yes I know all about the Spyware buzz. I need to check the USBimager. (20s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): RT @raspberrytorpes: Flashing @armbian on @armbian with @balena_io #etcher for ARM https://t.co/AiEatCISPv (3s ago)
<IgorPec>
Werner: Perhaps we could ship USBImager with our desktop image?
<xwigg>
or provide a link on the download page?
<IgorPec>
we do that already
<IgorPec>
but that this utility is simply present - its tiny.
<IgorPec>
its not bulky as Etcher
<ArmbianTwitter>
@Poddingue (Bruno Verachten 🍰): @raspberrytorpes @armbian @balena_io What, one of my dreams came true, and I was not aware of it? 🥴 Yeehaa! 🥳 (22s ago)
<xwigg>
yeah, it's linked to a page where you need to read stuff, most people don't do that nowadays
<lanefu>
Yeah etcher is the most user friendly
<lanefu>
Which is why i kept in the documentation as 2nd incase people got frustrated using usbimager to protect their privacy
<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @Poddingue @armbian @balena_io I use this #etcher ARM compiled version (it's old, but works) https://t.co/8nrt9couVI (21s ago)
<xwigg>
we could also rebrand raspberry pi imager
<IgorPec>
i think we already had that idea, but i forget why we dismiss it
<xwigg>
probably cause it's extra work ;)
<IgorPec>
ideally it would be to build etcher with a patch to remove junk
<IgorPec>
?
<lanefu>
And touch javascript? ...ewwwwwww
<xwigg>
hehe, someone must have same idea, checking forks ;)
<xwigg>
pff 1200
<ArmbianTwitter>
@GLinBoy (Hojjat Abedi): @DieZuckerbude @armbian But how that little one help you to debugging? (7s ago)
<xwigg>
etcher is pretty big also, would not have expected that
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<xwigg>
did you consider pine64 installer?
<lanefu>
What about forking unetbootin. Its cross platform and downloads
<IgorPec>
pine64 installer is one old unmaintained etcher fork
<lanefu>
Well. Do users complain about having trouble with current tools?
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): @GLinBoy @armbian Its USB-TTL serial adapter connects to the other board to catch anything thrown out to console and can easily stay powered overnights without wasting tons of energy in comparison to a desktop PC. (12s ago)
<Werner>
IgorPec, in general the idea is good. Though I would feel better having the opportunity to ship updates for it if necessary. Ideally it would be upstreamed into Ubuntu universe for example.
<ArmbianTwitter>
@GLinBoy (Hojjat Abedi): @DieZuckerbude @armbian Ah, now I got it! Great idea, thanks for sharing. (27s ago)
<IgorPec>
Werner: well, if authors will provide repository is already good way. Not sure if and when this application will be accepted into the Debian base.
<Werner>
Yeah
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<IgorPec>
perhaps ping them notifing about our intention. perhaps they will sort it out?
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<Werner>
I'll try to get in touch
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<Werner>
What if we ship it from the armbian repository?
<IgorPec>
good, lanefu an update regarding hosting on email, hope it will be sorted out today / tomorrow
<IgorPec>
werner: yes, we can do that
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<Werner>
I'll suggest that as compromise
<IgorPec>
i only think we need to build for arm64 on our own - i didn't notice deb packages ... or i am blind :)
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<Werner>
I dont know if they even have any
<IgorPec>
then ask them for that too. for them, its probably just a flag to add
<lanefu>
i'm running a report now wit more history
<lanefu>
i need to setup somethign to actually get network inteerfac traffic over time
<lanefu>
go-access is awesome, but it can really only plot traffic at a daily level
<lanefu>
so that report is *all* web logs
<IgorPec>
ok, a little better overview
<lanefu>
IgorPec: do you care if i install netdata and possibly setup a wireguard tunnel to the estonia box so i can do more monitoring
<IgorPec>
do you need to reboot the box?
<IgorPec>
if not, go ahead
<lanefu>
yeah that's a good quesion.. i havent installed wireguard on x86 before.. i'll make sure to confirm thats okay
<lanefu>
and yeaeh i wont reboot
<lanefu>
cool i'll look into doing that tonight-ish...
<IgorPec>
it could be without troubles, but i don't want to risk this now
<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): I really "need" one of this running @armbian https://t.co/GVQJFKy3gJ (10s ago)
<lanefu>
k.. ssh tunnel will suffice for now anyway
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@karmbian (karmbian): We are excited to announce #karmbian! Kali #Linux built from Armbian to run on SBCs like RockPro64 and #raspberrypi for pentesters. Announcement: https://t.co/QVap8WS29P GitHub: https://t.co/gtCFrhSqAG #hacker #CyberSecurity #informationsecurity #infosec https://t.co/gny0zvBicz (9s ago)
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<IgorPec>
werner: that should be nice ofc
<IgorPec>
to the plan for 2020-11?
<Werner>
Up to you. I have no idea what this is good for but it sounds interesting :P
<Werner>
g2g. Later
<IgorPec>
idk, if we find time, l8r
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<Tonymac32>
Work meetings are corrosive to the soul
<Tonymac32>
I'm configuring a clean rebuild of my file server system, luckily all data is kept out of the SD card. Does anyone have experience with Jellyfin as a media server?
<Tonymac32>
I use Plex at the moment, but I'm not lovign their development direction
<Werner>
Not really...
<IgorPec>
you need transcoding?
<xwigg>
just switched over to jellyfin ;-)
<xwigg>
miss the plex client on windows
<IgorPec>
whats windows ?:)
<xwigg>
igorpec; it's the machine I don't fuss around with
<xwigg>
plex is more polished, though lots of options seem to vanish and tidal announcements are annoying
<Tonymac32>
I don't use the Windows client, only the browser there
<Tonymac32>
xwigg exactly. I'm tired of $45/month services being pushed at me
<Tonymac32>
for a server I run on a cell phone processor in my basement
<Tonymac32>
:P
<Tonymac32>
I believe JMCC submitted transcoding for Jellyfin for the XU4
<PPA>
I set up Jellyfin on my TV box a month or two ago, but removed it since (since I have no use for it, and there's no HW decoding on the S905X3)
<PPA>
It worked well otherwise
<PPA>
Setup was painless & straightforward
<xwigg>
mm. you only need a optimized ffmpeg binary afaik
<Tonymac32>
that can be arranged
* Tonymac32
remembers he has an S905X2 box
<PPA>
Should be noted that the Android Jellyfin app (nor the Firefox client) can't into decoding, so it offloads that to the server
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<PPA>
but the jellyfin addon for Kodi used hardware decoding on the client device, so the load on the server was minimal there
<PPA>
This worked over the internet too, I had some friends across the pond try it and it was watchable
<Tonymac32>
for a brief moment my Plex was working well with the XU4 and I watched some movies while on a business trip
<xwigg>
.. plex requires this pass thingy and sends stuff over to plex.tv
<ArmbianHelper>
plex requires this pass thingy and sends stuff over to plex.tv [en~>eng]
<Tonymac32>
right, my other reason
<xwigg>
if you use kodi as frontend, there's probably not much change with the jellyfin plugins
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<lanefu>
i never understood the whole tvbox craze cuz Roku lol
<IgorPec>
Werner: indeed. This can be pulled in right away since its a bugfix
<IgorPec>
lanefu: saturday we will have 1-2h offline unless we move before
<IgorPec>
this is the best i got
<Werner>
If you dont mind I will leave this to you. I am not so deep into this stuff but I try to collect information that might be useful and bring it to the right peoples attention.
<Werner>
AR-378
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-378 [Bug] "Increase address room für initial ramdisk" reported by Werner at 2020-07-22. Status: To Do
<xwigg>
pff omv install does a lot of handywork on the image
<lanefu>
IgorPec: yeah thats a good window.. I was looking into optiosn for readonly mode, etc with invision community, but they aren't that elegant.. and their docs for moving are just like "shutdown, copy everythign"
<lanefu>
really the cutover should be fast as long as we don't have to fix config bugs. we can rsync the database in and advance.. and then on the final sync we shutdown db, and rsync with --delete option to remove inaccurate journal files on the local copy
<lanefu>
i moved a whole data center like that ones.. lol
<IgorPec>
yeah, downtime of few minutes or putting to read only is not a problem
<lanefu>
s/ones/once
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: i moved a whole data center like that once.. lol
<lanefu>
IgorPec: is there a readonly setting?
<IgorPec>
i think it is
<IgorPec>
but in any case i would not gamble
<IgorPec>
shutdown. drop sql > import sql, starting web on new server
<IgorPec>
anyway dns needs some time
<lanefu>
yeah i usually prefer migrating the binary finals as opposed to dumps.. making sure triggers n etc load back on mysql dumps is annoying
<lanefu>
s/finals/files
<ArmbianHelper>
lanefu meant to say: yeah i usually prefer migrating the binary files as opposed to dumps.. making sure triggers n etc load back on mysql dumps is annoying
<IgorPec>
we might not use the same sqld in case we start with Ubuntu 20
<IgorPec>
dump is safer in that case
<IgorPec>
we actually migrated once within current hosting, initally it was Ubuntu 16 ... then 18 was made clean and stuff was migrated there
<lanefu>
well it looked like you were using mariadb 10.1... and ubuntu 20 defaults to mariadb 10.3, and its a sane upgrade to go from 10.1 -> 10.3
<lanefu>
you copy files and get perms right then. sudo mysql_upgrade
<[TheBug]>
If there is a rush depending if its all 1 volume or a few seperate part of it could just be dd'd across and started as it
<[TheBug]>
is*
<lanefu>
anyway if it doesnt work, we can failback to SQL restore
<[TheBug]>
if you don't want to immediately go through reinstalling and reconfiguring everything that is
<[TheBug]>
just saying if it's a time crunsh something like that could probably be done
<[TheBug]>
crunch*
<IgorPec>
dd is a bit harsh :)
<lanefu>
haha yeah.. i've done it, but yeah not fun
<lanefu>
i thikn we'll be good with a clean install, that we can we do liek btrfs n stuff for better management in the fture
<lanefu>
really we just have to make mariadb and nginx+php work
<lanefu>
and that covers the forum
<lanefu>
wordpress... similar
<lanefu>
then the rest is basic nginx configs and scripts and crons all over the box that I don't know about :P
<IgorPec>
no need to complicate anything
<IgorPec>
TheBug. we have to switch webs and forum until saturday
<IgorPec>
if not, we will have 1-2h downtime.
<[TheBug]>
Ya was reading that and poking the bear already
<IgorPec>
ok:)
<IgorPec>
then, we we get access, just installing packages that are needed and ... 1. web (rsync and i preffer sql dump / restore)
<IgorPec>
this is the easiest part since its not changing muchj
<lanefu>
cool
<[TheBug]>
IgorPec: check pm pls
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<[TheBug]>
lanefu IgorPec: any prefernce on the servers hostname :Z
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<lanefu>
europatriot
* lanefu
suggests you ignore him
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<archetech>
lol
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<xwigg>
lamebian sounds goed
<xwigg>
s/goed/good
<ArmbianHelper>
xwigg meant to say: lamebian sounds good
<lanefu>
karmbian.armbian.com
<archetech>
or harmbian
<lanefu>
theoriginal.armbian.com
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<IgorPec>
moc.armbian.com
<IgorPec>
stuff.armbian.com
<xwigg>
ch.armbian.com
<IgorPec>
its in the usa :)
<archetech>
lol harmbian "the project that does more wrong than right"
<lanefu>
tkapproved.armbian.com :P
<lanefu>
sorry
<lanefu>
I do like _stuff_
<lanefu>
thats pretty fun
<lanefu>
riscV.armbian.com
* lanefu
stopping forreal
<archetech>
jk I'll give armbian first shot at my new N2+
<lanefu>
speaking of which i need to check out this NIC bug on the N2 mentioned yesterday
<[TheBug]>
lol you guys are slow
<[TheBug]>
you get server.armbian.com the unoriginal choice I made :Z
* archetech
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<IgorPec>
:( buuu
<xwigg>
us.armbian.com
<archetech>
from worst sbc to best heh
<[TheBug]>
lanefu: was asking igor but maybe you know also where you want the SAN volume mounted (path) so I can set it
<[TheBug]>
you can pm me that if you like
<PPA>
g.armbian.com, hosted in Iceland
<xwigg>
is it safe to mount /media/mmcboot elsewhere?
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