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<archetech> lanefu: Hap 4th and most run on Xwayland
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<lanefu> thanks archetech
<lanefu> fireworks and gunfire making my dogs crazy
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<lanefu> archetech: how do you adjust resolution in wayland
<lanefu> nevermind. its stupid and i'm not tyring hard enogh
<Tonymac32> kids saw their first big moon, fireflies, and fireworks tonight
<lanefu> 7/4/2020 a night to remember
<lanefu> pretty cool tho
<lanefu> how old are they?
<Tonymac32> 5 and 7
<Miouyouyou> nekomancer[m] : I confused it with the self-hosted selector. The only thing available is https://github.com/uraimo/run-on-arch-action but it's basically qemu on Github actions (100% horrendous performances)
<Tonymac32> Miouyouyou apparently gets up at like 5:00
<Miouyouyou> Yes ! I have a very strict life schedule. I didn't wake up because of the light of the screen, that did not turn off because KDE somehow refused to automatically hibernate.
<Tonymac32> hahahahahaha
<Tonymac32> of course
<lanefu> I'm doing the armbian 4k attempt world-tour
<lanefu> n2 fail, Opi 4 fail
<lanefu> trying le potato next
<lanefu> i'm convinced only allwinner will work
<Miouyouyou> You check how much boards boasted about 4K and are actually failing miserably ?
<lanefu> yeah.. i got 2560x1440 to work-ish when i cranked refresh down to 30hz.. and the screen was all waavy
<Tonymac32> ... dude
<Miouyouyou> A R M B I A N - S Y N T H W A V E
<Tonymac32> ll
<Tonymac32> lol
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> yeah i'll just use it as an occilator
<Miouyouyou> HDMI oscillators, the best ones
<Tonymac32> yikes
<Tonymac32> I've never had much luck in amlogicland with any display
<lanefu> only 19 pins to connect
<Miouyouyou> And only one board to fry ! So test it now !
<lanefu> RK3399 isn't fairing any better.... although fullscreen 1080p video was smooth. possibly smoother than n2
<Tonymac32> ok, my potato does 4k on boot
<Tonymac32> but with all monitors it has only 1 resolution and says 0 hz refresh
<Miouyouyou> Fixed picture screen
<lanefu> yeah N2 was doin gthat with kernel 4.9
<lanefu> i mean i'll take that at this point
<Tonymac32> no, it's working, just X doesn't understand it's working
<Tonymac32> apparently
<Tonymac32> which
<Tonymac32> I don't even know
<lanefu> yeah i read that X disagrees about pixel clcok stuff
<Tonymac32> I thought RK3288 had 4K on mainline finally
<Miouyouyou> Some people were able to get 4K on RK3288, but only at 30Hz.
<Tonymac32> it's HDMI 1.4
<Tonymac32> so trhat's all ytou can get
<Miouyouyou> You get up to 60Hz with some YUV hacks
<Tonymac32> haxors
<Miouyouyou> But then you're on your own. If you don't though, you're on you own too.
<Tonymac32> It's dangerous to go alone. Take this
* Tonymac32 hands over a MiQi
* Miouyouyou takes the MiQi
<Miouyouyou> Now I got 4 of them !
<Tonymac32> hahaha so you can light up the entire neighborhood with the power LEDs
<Miouyouyou> If I can gather 3 more, I'll be able to invoke the legendary dragon !
* Tonymac32 is sad about having to reintroduce all Amlogic audio patches
* Tonymac32 is also still confused why the GX outputs like alvin and the chipmunks
<Tonymac32> when the GX and GXL used to behave the same with the same driver...
<Miouyouyou> Think of the children
<Tonymac32> it's gotta be something like mclk-fs
<Miouyouyou> It's okay though, you just have a plug an USB sound card that cost twice the price of the board on it, and here, you got sound. With standard drivers too.
<Tonymac32> ASUS did that by soldering it to the board
<Tonymac32> rofl
<Tonymac32> the Tinker is using USB audio codec
<lanefu> tater is doing that weird thing where it takes 1000 years to boot
<Miouyouyou> I actually never tried to get Audio output on the Tinky
<Tonymac32> I am certain we still don't know all the "secrets" of that board, like when I learned the bluetooth audio from the WIFI adapter was also run right to that codec
<Tonymac32> it's easy to get audio, it just takes some asound.conf work to get it to make sense on the user side
<lanefu> Tonymac32: but they had all the pretty colors on the GPIO pins
<Tonymac32> if that board had proper power input, it was awesome
<Tonymac32> even without it didn't crash
<Tonymac32> just USB stuff that expected 4.5 + V got cranky
<Miouyouyou> Tinkerboard, the tallest of the dwarves
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> IRL
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> i wasnt ready for that
<Tonymac32> Brutal truth time: If I need a project to "Just work", that's the board I'm grabbing.
<Miouyouyou> Well, with this https://forum.armbian.com/topic/13622-mainline-vpu/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-104488 it's starting to become almost "feature complete" on mainline kernels.
<Tonymac32> nothing with an RK3399 is viable, the N2 is... yeah. all the A53 stuff is a bad joke performance wise
* Tonymac32 WHY H6, WHY?!?!?! YOU COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT...
<Tonymac32> totally borked PCIe
<lanefu> i know
<lanefu> H6 is a butterface SoC
* TRS-80 is furiously taking down notes
<TRS-80> OK, so what does that leave then?
<Miouyouyou> "Meh, we got your money, why should we care about support and good design ?" (c) Every bankrupt Pi board maker
<Tonymac32> again this is desktop type scenario
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 for embedded stuff Allwinner "least comon denominator" boards are rock solid
<Tonymac32> the Tritium series is literally a breakout board for the SoC with 0 bells or whistles
<TRS-80> my Cubietruck been rock solid for many years now
<Tonymac32> My rant was primarily for performance-sensitive situations
<TRS-80> graphics?
<Tonymac32> Yeah, UI/video/desktop responsiveness/etc. The RK3399 should be great, has everything it needs to be great
<Tonymac32> ...but...
<TRS-80> seems it's a great time to be alive if you are looking for a server (which I have only been, so far)...
<Tonymac32> RK + LPDDR4 = ROFL LOL good luck
<lanefu> which RK boards have DDR4?
<TRS-80> little low power, inexpensive GNU/Linux boards, they're great
<TRS-80> 3399 right?
<Tonymac32> RK3328 and RK3399 support it
<Tonymac32> so Renegade has it, and when it's working properly is obscenely fast
<Tonymac32> memory wise
<Tonymac32> still a quad core A53 at 1.5 GHz
<Tonymac32> some of the other RK3328's have it, notably not the Rock64
<Tonymac32> the RockPi does, Renegade Elite, new ASUS board...
<TRS-80> > proprietary drivers
<TRS-80> amirite?
<Tonymac32> blerbs
<Tonymac32> boot blerbs
<TRS-80> yeah I thought I read that
<nekomancer[m]> <Miouyouyou "nekomancer : I confused it with "> ok
<Tonymac32> in theory on RK3399 you can compile it
<Tonymac32> I think
<TRS-80> interdasting
<Tonymac32> rk3328, no
<Miouyouyou> "Bu.. Bu.. Buuuut if we provide the sources of those blerbs, people will steal our beautiful technology !"
<Tonymac32> now I've seen a ton of work being done in u-boot for RK3399 by amarula solutions
<Tonymac32> so my rampage is likely a bit out of date
<Tonymac32> Mio: lol
<Miouyouyou> Also, has anybody tried the NPU on RK3399 ?
<Tonymac32> not yet. I have one
<Tonymac32> the RK3399 PRO
<Miouyouyou> It seems to be the elephant in the room, when it comes to RK3399
<Tonymac32> normal RK3399 doesn't have it
<Miouyouyou> Ah
<Tonymac32> it looks to me like it's an entire SoC, inside the SoC
<Tonymac32> has it's own memory controller, for example
<Miouyouyou> For the joy of the tinfoil hats
<Tonymac32> lol well the thing probably just eats the bandwidth
<Miouyouyou> "Yo dawg ! I heard you like SoC ?"
<Tonymac32> so the Tinker R has 4 GB lpddr and 2 GB ddr3
<TRS-80> welp, tramp has synchronously locked up Emacs (moving all my media files in one go maybe wasn't a good idea remotely using Dired...)
<Miouyouyou> One is for the NPU SoC ?
<TRS-80> So nothing to do but...
<Tonymac32> the ddr3 is for the NPU
<Tonymac32> and TRS-80 uh-oh
<Tonymac32> so uboot is getting a lot of RK3399 attention, seemingly all around the Renegade Elite... Hmmmmmmmmm
<Tonymac32> XD
<Miouyouyou> Is it the powering system attached to it ?
<Miouyouyou> When searching for Renegate Elite, you mostly get pictures of bikes
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> rk3399-roc-pc
<Tonymac32> .. ja
<Miouyouyou> "ARM Mali T-860 MP4 GPU with OpenGL ES 3.2"
<Miouyouyou> Meanwhile
<Tonymac32> I have one
<Tonymac32> nice setup, the PoE/NVMe/wifi board is nice
<Tonymac32> case is solid, giant heat sink
<Tonymac32> it's only not supported here yet because the mainline drivers for the USB PD chip are trash
<Tonymac32> Adreno? ewwwwww
<Tonymac32> I hear you can get diseases from those
<Tonymac32> :P
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, the worst one. Mesa support.
<Miouyouyou> And everyone knows that "GPL is cancer" (c) Steve Ballmer
<Tonymac32> oh jeeze
<lanefu> surprise guess what booted straight to 4k@30hz
<lanefu> Tritium-h5
<Tonymac32> tater tot?
<TRS-80> don't play with my emotions
<Tonymac32> oh hahaha
<Miouyouyou> Sowwy
<Tonymac32> of course there's no sound on that SoC, right?
<Miouyouyou> Who needs sound when you got 4K ?
<Tonymac32> #WelcomeToLinux
<Tonymac32> XD
<lanefu> well in my case I actually use a bluetooth dongle to play to my reciever anyway
<lanefu> so whatevs
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: and btw there are still signs of life... so it appears to still be working...
<Tonymac32> oh my
<TRS-80> just locked up and can't do anything else, so I made a freshie
<Tonymac32> So who's making a qualcomm SBC?
<Miouyouyou> System96
<Tonymac32> The QPi or whatever cheese
<Tonymac32> I literally abhor the 96 boards form factor
<lanefu> that's victorian-era levels of dislike there bro
* TRS-80 wonders why he did this in Dired instead of a remote screen session :/
<Miouyouyou> For 400$ only. "Very cheap. But maybe you should buy a freaking phone" : https://www.96boards.org/product/rb3-platform/
<Tonymac32> it's literally the only thing the RPi foundation did right
<Tonymac32> :D
<lanefu> 4k framebuffer console is _really_ small btw
<Miouyouyou> You need a high DPI screen
<Tonymac32> 2.8 GHz, 8 cores, 4 GB LPDDR4...
<Miouyouyou> For that crispy console font
<Tonymac32> I'm not going to lie this is completely unimpressive outside the the SoC itself
<Tonymac32> so $400? nah
<lanefu> $200 of it is working software
<ArmbianTwitter> lanefu: Error: "200" is not a valid command.
<lanefu> $help
<Tonymac32> likely, although those SoCs are $$$
<lanefu> will chromium or firefox run in a plain ole framebuffer without a window manager or X?
<Miouyouyou> If you got a wayland manager exploiting directFB, maybe ?
<Miouyouyou> Very unlikely though.
<lanefu> ha i did see a wayland-firefox kiosk package earlier
<Tonymac32> ugh, they split the Renegade elite and renegade elite with mezzanine board as separate devices
<Tonymac32> why they do this crap
<Tonymac32> like when they split the Tinker and the Tinker S
<Miouyouyou> The Tinker and the STinker
<Tonymac32> lol
<TRS-80> synergy
<Tonymac32> don't you start swearing in my presence
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> business logic
<TRS-80> :p
<lanefu> bwaah
<Miouyouyou> Ain't said no swearing no sir
<Tonymac32> I'll value-stream my ass to bed and leave you all to figure it out
<lanefu> i love `apt search` performance on sdcards
<Miouyouyou> Searching for package descriptions, one byte at a time
<Miouyouyou> Good night TonyMac32
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Tonymac32> I'm not done yet
<Tonymac32> I told a coworker in front of the VP to stop wasting everyone's time with his garbage language and get to the point
<Tonymac32> I very much hate everything about "Business speak"
* TRS-80 thinks he may have copied instead of move
<Tonymac32> lol
<TRS-80> why is this taking so long
<Miouyouyou> But you need to impress the "Key Operating Persons" with magic speak
<TRS-80> it is on same hardware, just changing a pointer of an inode
* Tonymac32 am typically very patient, but after 5 slides of literally nothing, it was too much
<Miouyouyou> It's sending everything to a cloud server
<Miouyouyou> "This powerpoint is garbage !"
<Tonymac32> don't say that Myy, TRS-80 might stroke out
<Miouyouyou> "Put more sound effects !"
<Tonymac32> if the transitions are good...
<Miouyouyou> "I can do better transitions with animated GIF !"
<Tonymac32> I had a geocities
<Tonymac32> don't hate
<Tonymac32> XD
<Miouyouyou> The good old times
<TRS-80> how much blinky bling though
<Miouyouyou> With space backgrounds and yellow blinking text
<TRS-80> and other stroke inducing effects
<Tonymac32> like all such sites, should have had a photosensite siezure warning
<Miouyouyou> If the warning sign can cause seizures too, is that ok ?
<Tonymac32> hmmmm
<Miouyouyou> "< blink > WARNING < / blink >"
<Miouyouyou> Don't worry though
<Miouyouyou> If you missed it
<Miouyouyou> I like how they put a "text-decoration: blink" in the norm and every browser went like "NOPE" : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/text-decoration
<TRS-80> ok well the movies are apparently done... on to the music now... :/
<Miouyouyou> One more hour to go
<TRS-80> at least they /look/ like they are going faster
<Tonymac32> I found my crappy Z80 emulator I wrote in Java
<Tonymac32> I thought I had lost that, I wrote it 16 years ago
<TRS-80> speaking of Java, my fresh OpenHAB install just keeps restarting periodically... :/
<Miouyouyou> How, you just have to reinstall the Java plugin and run it in your browser
<Tonymac32> I was learning assembly and Java at the same time, and was predictably unimpressed with Java.
<Miouyouyou> Crontab ?
<Tonymac32> it was Java 2, hahaha
<Miouyouyou> "How to pass a function in Java"
<Miouyouyou> "It's simple !"
<Miouyouyou> You create an interface
<Tonymac32> :'(
<Miouyouyou> Then you create an object with that interface
<Miouyouyou> Then you yell at the screen at how stupidly verbous this language can be
<Tonymac32> Java is what happens when theory begins to exist separate from reality
<Miouyouyou> I did some Java when developping my first Android app and...
<Miouyouyou> I'm glad they went to Kotlin a few years later
<Tonymac32> What kills me is they try to throw Java at kids that have never seen a programming language before
<Tonymac32> "What does "public static void" mean?"
<Tonymac32> teacher: "Don't worry about all that stuff"
<Miouyouyou> Well, first, I need to tell you about business logic and Java2EE
<Miouyouyou> Now they throw Python at them
<Tonymac32> at least Python has a low amount of overhead
<Tonymac32> "import" is not intrimidating
<Miouyouyou> Yeah. Syntax wise, it's simple.
<Tonymac32> and REPL is good for noobs
<Miouyouyou> I'm still amazed by the amount of script editors that don't come with a REPL window though
<Tonymac32> Yeah
<TRS-80> muh REPL is busy atm :(
<Tonymac32> like for work I use Python for crunching through datasets because it's quick and dirty, and at least a couple of my coworkers can understand it
<Miouyouyou> That's because you're using the Azure Cloud Native REPL inside Emacs
<Tonymac32> if I used Matlab I'd be the only person able to do anything
<TRS-80> no I am moving giles on Cubietruck
<Tonymac32> J Giles?
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: but Matlan is not free
<TRS-80> just say no
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 the dayjob has licenses
<TRS-80> > paying for chains makes them OK
<Miouyouyou> Yeah ! you should write it in Perl ! That way, you coworkers will hate you too !
<Tonymac32> hahahahaha
<Miouyouyou> $#@(list-ref)
<Tonymac32> well, I work for an engineering company, there is no software in the things I actually produce, so
<Tonymac32> the coworkers all added together might have used BASIC back in the 80's, and one guy knows some C
<Tonymac32> oh and LabVIEW
<Tonymac32> because in this context, that counts
<Miouyouyou> 10 PRINT "I know basic"
<Miouyouyou> 20 GOTO 10
<Tonymac32> 20 GOTO 10
<Miouyouyou> Predictable !
<Tonymac32> I didn't look up fast enough hahaha
<Miouyouyou> See
<Miouyouyou> BASIC leads to predactibility
<Tonymac32> I am a little discouraged by the entire field of computer science these days, they lose their minds about "GOTO"
<Miouyouyou> Meaning it's reliable. BASIC for autonomous car firmwares.
<Tonymac32> ok
<Tonymac32> so how about JMP?
<Miouyouyou> Ah, yeah
<Miouyouyou> "goto err" can makes a lot of developpers flip out
<Tonymac32> hehehe
<Miouyouyou> And actually a lot of C++ compilers too
<Tonymac32> GOTO right into video memory
<Tonymac32> woohoo
<TRS-80> yet hammerFactory ies are no problem
<Miouyouyou> I got a problem. I decided to use Java to resolve it.
<Miouyouyou> Now I have a ProblemFactory
<Tonymac32> I really should at least look at Rust
<Tonymac32> although I hear you need to spend 2 weeks learning before you can make a "Hello World
<Miouyouyou> Ah yeah, I should also look at Rust and Go
<Miouyouyou> Nah, I did a quick test once and it's quite easy
<Tonymac32> Google Only Lang
<TRS-80> which one did one of OG wizards work on? I think Go? Amirite?
<Tonymac32> GO
<TRS-80> Rust seems quite hipster-ish
<Tonymac32> I get that impression as well
<Tonymac32> "I use Rust on Arch"
<Tonymac32> XD
<Miouyouyou> "... On a tinkerboard !"
<Tonymac32> hehe
<Tonymac32> it would have to be a beaglebone I think
<Miouyouyou> Got to work to get your hipster degree !
* Tonymac32 dusts off Mini2440 to pwn all the mainstreamers
<Miouyouyou> "If you get a hipster degree, do you ever get recognition in your community ? And if you don't, aren't you a real hipster ? See, it's a win-win situation !"
<Miouyouyou> The fact they integrated a library package manager with their languages is nice, though
<Miouyouyou> They're clearly not the first
<Tonymac32> I come from a place where PBR has been on tap since the mid 20th century, and flannel and beards are eternal. I do not understand hipsters, they're like excessively clean versions of my neighbors
<Miouyouyou> (CPAN)
<Miouyouyou> Sounds like you live in Ultima Online
<TRS-80> Go is a statically typed, compiled programming language designed at Google by Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson.
<TRS-80> sold
<TRS-80> "The designers were primarily motivated by their shared dislike of C++"
<TRS-80> :D
<Tonymac32> if you've ever used "friend", you hate C++
<Tonymac32> you can do some truly cursed things
<Miouyouyou> My biggest grip with C++ is the really bizarre names they give to their methods
<Miouyouyou> Like, it's not "add" or "append" it's "push_back"
<Tonymac32> lol
<Miouyouyou> It sounds like there's people carefully selecting names that nobody will guess at any time
<TRS-80> as in the stack I guess
<Tonymac32> that is the region I am from
<Miouyouyou> Ooo, nice
<Tonymac32> lots of mountains, few people
<Tonymac32> that bridge is really high up there
<Miouyouyou> And some electronics
<TRS-80> lanefu: take notes! A plain picture, available at a plain url, sans castles of JavaScript! :p
<Tonymac32> haha
<Miouyouyou> Witchcraft !
<Miouyouyou> Wait you can make links without Javascript ?
<lanefu> yeah on wordpress..
<Tonymac32> what, you hate wordpress?
<Miouyouyou> Maybe PHP ?
<lanefu> locking it down sucks
<Tonymac32> I used to use phpbb
<lanefu> like wordpress is nic ecuz its easy
<Tonymac32> exactly
<lanefu> but script kiddie attacks are brutal on it
<TRS-80> html is also easy
<Tonymac32> remember MySpace? haha
<Miouyouyou> With these nice themes
<TRS-80> actually my first real exposure to html probably
<Miouyouyou> Everyone can make its own themes !
<Tonymac32> a lot of people our age
<Tonymac32> met HTML due to MySpace
<Tonymac32> and then we traded Tom for Mark
<TRS-80> that was actually kind of cool
<Tonymac32> Tom never sold your data
<lanefu> he sold it to ruper murdock
<Tonymac32> Tom never let the governmnet know what you were up to
<TRS-80> I don't think kids nowadays can even imagine having that amount of control over their own social media pages, sad really
<Miouyouyou> [Mark] : "And look how he became !"
<Tonymac32> Mark Sugarmountain
<Miouyouyou> Pure Diabetes
<Tonymac32> (Zucker-berg)
* Miouyouyou scribbles scribbles "berg = mountain"
<Tonymac32> Ja
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> ... oui?
<Miouyouyou> Ich bin eine Donut !
<Miouyouyou> ouais !
<Tonymac32> ein Berliner!
<Tonymac32> hahahahhaha
<Miouyouyou> Ach ! Berliner ist sehr gut !
<Tonymac32> I mean, German is funny that way, saying you are a Frankfurter sounds a lot like you are a sausage
<TRS-80> I was still quite motivated, but I will fall asleep now before this is done copying
<Miouyouyou> Try some Frankfurter before going to sleep, maybe it will end before then !
<Tonymac32> I had coffee about 30 minutes ago
<Tonymac32> so my ADD is somewhat under control at the moment
<Miouyouyou> Coffee, the control bars of ADD
<Tonymac32> stimulants are amazing
<Tonymac32> (This is not an endorsement of self-medicating, children. Merely an observation that I am more functional with so many mg of caffeine)
<Tonymac32> where did you find that picture of my Russian math professor?
<Miouyouyou> Well, he seems well known for his cocaine addictions
<Miouyouyou> If you search cocaine bear, you'll find his photo !
<Tonymac32> He was a huge dude that liked to tell crazy stories IRL
<Miouyouyou> All while teaching factorization
<Tonymac32> Told us his wife calling was actually the Kremlin
<Tonymac32> so he had a sense of humor
<Miouyouyou> So the SM-Play was "the Gulag ?"
* TRS-80 feels like he is getting close
<Tonymac32> to giving up?
<TRS-80> no to being done
<Miouyouyou> Yay !
<TRS-80> oh no, now TV Shows just started :/
<Miouyouyou> Now that I think about it, couldn't you check about the "cp" issue using "df" a few times, to check if the size were diminishing or improving ?
<Tonymac32> TRS-80: What if I told you I might be able to make an overlay for Tritium to support the HifiBerry DAC
<Miouyouyou> Break the TV
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 can't risk damaging his full collection of "The 6 Million Dollar Man" and "Spencer for Hire"
<Miouyouyou> Just buy a regular PC screen. It's like a TV but way more expansive and without tuners.
<Tonymac32> since my ESP32 board could run their DAC
<Miouyouyou> But GPIO ≠ GPIO ?
<Tonymac32> It's like toilet paper: 24 = 36
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: I would have reaction pic but access to my maymays is currently all locked up
<Miouyouyou> At my last job, I played a lot with STM32 ADC converters, but never tried DAC converters.
<Tonymac32> (for reference to what I'm talking about)
<Miouyouyou> 12 with 2-PLY = 48
<Miouyouyou> That sums up, yeah
<Tonymac32> you need mega rolls if you eat a lot of Taco Bell
<Miouyouyou> Tonymac32: It's his wife on the package ?
<Tonymac32> hahahahahaha
<Tonymac32> or White Castle
<Tonymac32> or depending on what you get at Biscuit World
<Tonymac32> besiudes heart disease
<Tonymac32> lanefu ^
<TRS-80> been on this homeade egg mcmuffin kick lately, they are awesome
<Tonymac32> did that a couple days ago
<Miouyouyou> Bought some rings, to make thicky toasted eggs ?
<Tonymac32> I've never been so clinical with them, just fry the egg and toss it on the muffin
<Tonymac32> with our watered down WWII "Help Europe" cheese
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<TRS-80> Miouyouyou: actually the missus bought these 2 microwave egg things
<Tonymac32> !!! wtf
<TRS-80> at first I was very skeptical, but they grew on me
<Tonymac32> radio eggs
* Tonymac32 looks over at cast iron and reassures it no 2.4 GHz eggs are in my future
<Tonymac32> :D
* TRS-80 ain't got time for that shit
<Tonymac32> cast iron pan, real butter, can't beat it
<Tonymac32> now my wife won't use it because she doesn't like lifting it, and she doesn't like to clean it properly
* Tonymac32 had to stop her from running it through the dishwasher
<TRS-80> oO
<TRS-80> she from the city or something?
<Tonymac32> I'm a lot more particular about cooking than I ever thought, it needs to be gas range, cast pans, etc
<Tonymac32> no, she's from WV
<Tonymac32> which, well, I've had this discussion with her, I'm not sure what happened to her
<Tonymac32> I also like to try new foods, she does not XD
<TRS-80> mine likes to make different things, luckily
<Tonymac32> can't get her to do smoked salmon, she only recently decided hummus was good (still working on pickled onions/etc)
<Miouyouyou> YAY !
<Tonymac32> awesome
<Tonymac32> so, just a note: In the hills, pickling literally everything is common. She doesn't like pickled stuff
* TRS-80 forgot what he was going to do next
<Miouyouyou> I also have a cast iron pan
<Tonymac32> so, for example, Shawarma is impossible
<Miouyouyou> For eggs, it's the best
<Tonymac32> definitely
<Miouyouyou> "It just works"
<Tonymac32> I like to do stir-fry in a big one, but I've thought about getting a wok since that's really it's entire purpose
<Miouyouyou> Yeah. Less likely to put everything on the floor with a bad wrist move on a high flame
<Miouyouyou> Be careful with closed eggs in the microwave though. It's one of the biggest microwave users medical issue.
<Miouyouyou> A lot of people tend to learn how much pressure an egg shell can endure, and what happens when it can't anymore
<Tonymac32> yeah, no good
<Tonymac32> of course more surpising is the pressure a potato can endure in an oven
<Miouyouyou> Ah, never heard about exploding potatoes. Interesting.
<Tonymac32> I feel that most people should recognize the eggshell as a pressure vessel
<Tonymac32> and, consequently, shrapnel
<Tonymac32> but, I am constantly disappointed
<Tonymac32> :)\
<Miouyouyou> Ah, the face of disappointment ... :D
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<Tonymac32> I don't know how important potatoes are to various world cuisines, however with all the Irish, Scottish, and German peoples where I grew up... well we ate a lot of potatoes
<Tonymac32> they will explode in the oven
<Tonymac32> you need to poke some deep holes in them
<Miouyouyou> I tend to boil them in water or slice them, so never got this issue... for now !
<Tonymac32> boiled, mashed, baked, with roast, potato salad (about 3 types)...
<Tonymac32> then we learned the Polish actually drink them, that was a party
<Miouyouyou> 50 shades of potatoes
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<Tonymac32> last day of my long weekend tomorrow, I'll need to grill some stuff
<Miouyouyou> It's the tradition
<Tonymac32> TRS-80: Charcoal or propane?
<Miouyouyou> Fuel
<TRS-80> charcoal, what are you some sort of Philistene?
<Tonymac32> there we go
<Tonymac32> my family got me this double-walled egg shaped thing, I can grill or use it as a charcoal smoker
<Tonymac32> ran it 12 hours without needing to do anything other than adjust the air a bit
<Tonymac32> (the char-griller is waaayyyy cheaper than that ceramic egg one)
<Tonymac32> and I can apparently get allt he replacememnt parts from a catalog, which is unique in this disposable society
<Miouyouyou> Replacement parts ? What are you ? A fucking tree-hugging hippie !?
<Tonymac32> hahaha I'm somewhat conscious of sustainability
<archetech> mixed metaphor there
<Tonymac32> lol
<Tonymac32> I drive a small inefficient truck, so no. I repair it with welding to prolong it's life and avoid throwing it away so yes?
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<archetech> sounds more like WV kinda guy
<Tonymac32> I own some solar panels, but don't believe they are close to a sustainable replacement for our core generation
<Miouyouyou> Next objective : Replace half of the cargo with lithium-ion batteries and use a H5 for autonomous driving
<Tonymac32> lithium batteries are going to be a fun topic in 10-15 years
<Miouyouyou> Put some gray paint
<Miouyouyou> And call it "CyberTruck"
<Tonymac32> it has too many curves, it doesn't look like my 7 year old drew it with only a ruler
<archetech> and a crayon
<Tonymac32> I try not to get into religion in public forums, but I am not a fan of Tesla
<Miouyouyou> Well, you either got straight lines or you got blobs !
<Tonymac32> XD
<archetech> me either when science becomes religion mankind is done
<Tonymac32> buckle up
<Miouyouyou> And then catkind will dominate !
<Tonymac32> hahahaha
<archetech> my sister saw a wild turkey at the detroit bus terminal
<archetech> downtown!
<Tonymac32> wow
<Miouyouyou> As the driver ?
<Miouyouyou> "They hiring anything now, with Covid 19"
<archetech> it used the crosswalk too
* Tonymac32 needs to remind the people unfamiliar: most of the area around downtown is abandoned and overgrown
<archetech> so its may have been a hybrid
<Tonymac32> but a turkey is pretty wild
<Miouyouyou> Detroit : Become Turkey
* Tonymac32 needs to stop stalling and start painfully reconstructing this patchset
<Miouyouyou> That momen where you understand that... you just have to do it
<Tonymac32> :'(
<Tonymac32> The release manager will fire me if I don't
<Miouyouyou> It's okay, there's a solution
<Miouyouyou> You can take the place of the release manager
<Miouyouyou> That way : Problem solved !
<Tonymac32> we aren't Klingons, I can't just assassinate the release manager
<Miouyouyou> Sometimes, if you got the whole Linus tree, you can try to force readapt patches using "3way" patches handling.
<RockchipGuy> hello room...wondering if anyone has any idea if Armbian supports the RK3188?
<Miouyouyou> If nobody catches you, that's not an assassination
<Miouyouyou> Not that I know...
<Tonymac32> hello Rockchip guy not that I'm aware of
<Miouyouyou> Is RK3188 supported on mainline kernels ?
<Tonymac32> the TV boxes subforum may have answers
<Tonymac32> but main Armbian distro, no
<RockchipGuy> hmmm...arguably I suppose
<RockchipGuy> I'm trying to get the rockchip release of kernel 4.4 running
<Miouyouyou> Radxarock seems to have a DTS file. But, I doubt you'll have any image in the first place, so you'll have to hack around with the compile script
* Tonymac32 has flashbacks of the Rockchip kernel on the RK3288, dives into a foxhole screaming
<RockchipGuy> yes, I've already modified the DTS to the best of my ability
<Miouyouyou> RK3288 never had a single issue ! shivers
<Miouyouyou> RockchipGuy: Try a 5.7 kernel, with the right DTS file selected, and give it a shot.
<RockchipGuy> thanks!!
<Miouyouyou> Just compile it like a RK3288 for the rest of the options.
<RockchipGuy> mind blown that I found a channel with activity and a potential solution on a platform others are familiar with
<RockchipGuy> thanks guys...I'll be at this a while, wish me luck :)
<Miouyouyou> Good luck !
<Werner> Good morning
<Miouyouyou> Also, I have this wonderful little script (with 3 blocks of code commented), that could help you in your endeavour. Just change the DTB list : https://github.com/Miouyouyou/RockMyy/blob/master/GetPatchAndCompileKernel.sh
<Miouyouyou> Good morning
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<Tonymac32> My cat is trying to force me to stop working
<Miouyouyou> Also known as "Feed me, slave"
<Tonymac32> he has plenty of food, he wants lap time
<Miouyouyou> Or "Entertain me !"
<Tonymac32> noteasy with keyboard
<Miouyouyou> Ok, so if you type random letters and numbers, it's not a stroke. Just a cat.
<Tonymac32> yeah, a Maine Coon, so heavy keystrokes
<Tonymac32> I had a Norwegian Forest cat when I was a kid, might as well have had a pet bobcat
<Tonymac32> about equal shot at getting to pet or or getting eaten by it. By far my favorite animal
<Miouyouyou> TonyMac is into big cats
<Miouyouyou> Norvegians are often confused with Maine Coon around there
<Miouyouyou> Even though they don't have the same face
<Tonymac32> same here
<Miouyouyou> Bobcat are energetic, from what I heard
<Miouyouyou> Wait I'm confusing them with another race
<Miouyouyou> You can't have Bobcats, they'll nail you on sight, no ?
<Tonymac32> they're a wild cat, small, really common but almost never seen
<Tonymac32> and no, I've never heard of one as a pet
<Miouyouyou> And I also confused bobcats with manul cats
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, so savannah cats are energetic
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<Tonymac32> lol these?
<Miouyouyou> Yeah, I heard you can teach them Kung-Fu
<Tonymac32> I had to look them up, and when I saw the pictures immediately thought of that character
<Miouyouyou> But you have to wear some old chinese lemurian cosplay, for better results
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<Miouyouyou> Almost 8:00, it's time for a nice little blend
<Miouyouyou> I love waking the neighbours with the horrendous sounds of a blender.
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<Tonymac32> I'm sure they appreciate that
<Tonymac32> lol
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<lanefu> lol so tritum-h5 does high res wonderfully, but CPU overheats when i leave my terminal scrolling text from compiling armbian
<IgorPec> lol
<IgorPec> never tried that kind of test :)
<buZz> :D
<IgorPec> you need to add text_acceleration=enable to extraargs :)
<buZz> you did put some heatsink onto it?
<lanefu> I'm pretty sure the 3Gig PineH6 i ordered with eMMC is gonna be the only desktop that does 4k without enraging me
<lanefu> buZz: yeah it's got the sweet Librecomputer heat sink.. tritium-h5
<IgorPec> but h3 and h5 should also do 4k desktop .. not so fast but workable
<lanefu> yeah.. so this is a bullseye image
<lanefu> and the armbian xfce just gave a blank screen
<lanefu> so i ended up installing a bunch of shit including mate
<buZz> lanefu: cool :) it'll have a hard time getting rid of heat otherwise
<IgorPec> will desktop ceo support mate ? :)
<lanefu> mate has a good following
<lanefu> actually my POC plan with the tritium.... since it can do 4k
<lanefu> is to go in the opposite direction. and use like i3 or DWM and super minimalist old school stuff
<IgorPec> yeah. we should make it easy to add desktop(s)
<IgorPec> yeah, that's also my old idea, i3
<lanefu> or windowmaker :P
<lanefu> i was gonna say.. what file manager do i3 users use..and i guess thats midnight commander lol
<IgorPec> haha
<lanefu> at this point.. is armbian doing any X11 optimizations in its config? seems like its pretty much a blank default setup
<IgorPec> there is visual optimisation
<IgorPec> and some related to browsers ,xorg
<IgorPec> here it would be wise to expand settings to: common, xfce, mate, ...
<lanefu> k.... cool so from the perspective of me testing i3. looks like i can just start iwth the server image and install wahts needed then
<lanefu> other htan teh chromium configs not missing too much
<IgorPec> actually we need to create a set of packages for each DM
<IgorPec> and have dedicated include / install part in the script file
<lanefu> yeah
<IgorPec> but most of the thing is the same ... for building up from server, yeah
<lanefu> okay time to test rock64 now!
<lanefu> spunky little board actually
<lanefu> but yeah 1080p
<lanefu> ... I am realizing something tho
<lanefu> i shouldn't be testing with bionic... even debian buster is newer
<lanefu> cuz some of these woes may be Xorg being stupid
<IgorPec> sticking to focal is safest atm probably
<lanefu> yeah originally i wasnt using focal because i thought armbian desktop was broken on it
<lanefu> but if im just going to start iwth server image doesnt matter
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<Technicavolous> Just trying out the channel - what's a good Windowz client to keep on my laptop? ;]
<Werner> There is Quassel for Windows, Hexchat, Chatzilla..or install WSL and use weechat :P
<Technicavolous> Cool will check those out ...
<Werner> You may also want to checkout the irc documentation.
<Werner> help irc
<ArmbianHelper> You want some? There you go: Terrific knowledge about our IRC services! https://docs.armbian.com/Community_IRC/
<Technicavolous> ArmbianHelper that's where I found the link here ;] thanks to all
<ArmbianHelper> Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
<Werner> Interesting
<Technicavolous> it didn't like my " ;] " i think
<Werner> Maybe. The question is why
<Technicavolous> I used the semicolon and the squared bracket, been my flat smiley for years
<Werner> Ah maybe it tried to find a command within your sentence since you mentioned it
<Technicavolous> is there an excape character in irc like the slash ..."/]
<Werner> ArmbianHelper echo $randomDate
<ArmbianHelper> Fri Jan 25 04:49:26 2013
<Werner> I'll disable this behaviour
<Werner> ArmbianHelper echo $randomDate
<Werner> Good.
<Werner> Technicavolous, no there isn't. Usually you do not need such anyways ;)
<Technicavolous> ";]" becomes ;]
<Technicavolous> there we go
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<lanefu> well.. i dunno if it was when i pullged in the cable. or Tonymac32 magic.. but i'm on a 4k framebuffer with el tater
<IgorPec> N2?
<lanefu> le potato
<lanefu> have n2 build running right now
<IgorPec> i see tony made some changes but i am currently playing with rockchips
<IgorPec> so i'll check later on
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<RockchipGuy> So I grabbed 5.7.7 mainline, and have noticed a few things:
<RockchipGuy> 1) There doesn't seem to be an option in the boot configuration to enter the name of a DTB
<RockchipGuy> 2) There no longer seems to be a defconfig for Rockchip
<IgorPec> you build image ?
<RockchipGuy> not yet, I'm not able to specify the DTS
<IgorPec> so far that wordked
<IgorPec> you can choose that either in build time or on the image/board by adding fdtfile= to the /boot/armbianEnv.txt
<RockchipGuy> has anyone actually had success getting any kernel greater than 3.0.36 on the RK3188?
<IgorPec> afaik we have no 3188 board
<IgorPec> i have one somewhere but actually never booted it
<RockchipGuy> I was working with Rockchip's 4.4 release and it was suggested to try 5.7 mainline, but that seems to be getting further from compatibility with the board/processor rather than closer
<IgorPec> yeah, that's expected. Its always a trade
<RockchipGuy> I wish there was as much activity in the linux-rockchip channel as there is here
<IgorPec> some features are absent, but modernity of new kernel might prevail. depends on use case
<RockchipGuy> how does one go about specifying a DTB at build time?
<IgorPec> rockchip engineers comes around from time to time ... but we have no impact on their business policy
<RockchipGuy> I'm using make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- -j4
<IgorPec> manual compile ...
<IgorPec> that's make dtbs
<IgorPec> don't know if you can choose one specific only ...
<RockchipGuy> A more general question...when enabling low-level debugging (to see what exactly the kernel is doing when it hangs) does the port interfere with the FIQ debugger? I have both enabled in my kernel configuration
<RockchipGuy> also I notice as I go through the port options (UART 0-3) the base address stays the same. Should that be the case? I would think each port has its own base address, although that information about the processor does not seem to be at the ready
<IgorPec> afaik FIQ debugger is rockchip pripriatery name for serial console
<IgorPec> on modern kernel its ttyS2 IIRC
<RockchipGuy> yes, which is working up until the kernel starts to load
<IgorPec> yes, then you have to tell kernel to use it
<IgorPec> with a kernel parameter console=/dev/ttyS2,115200
<IgorPec> but in case kernel doesn't boot properly, you will see nothing
<RockchipGuy> what about the port address for low level debugging?
<IgorPec> this i don't know, try to see here if they have something for 3188 http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Linux_SDK
<RockchipGuy> the boot parameters console=ttyFIQ0,115200 seem to be working
<IgorPec> also you will need to recompile kernel with a bunch of debug option
<IgorPec> good
<RockchipGuy> so far I've enabled low level debugging and earlyprintk, as well as adding earlyprintk to my boot parameters
<RockchipGuy> early printk direct is also enabled
<RockchipGuy> I have not yet enabled KGDB as I wasn't sure if this would conflict with low-level debugging
<lanefu> 4K framebuffer on N2
<IgorPec> nice!
<lanefu> fyi reboot broken on lepotato... works on n2
<IgorPec> 5.7.y?
<lanefu> yup
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<RockchipGuy> trying a build with KGDB and most debugging functions selected
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<birkoff> armbian desktop seems to come with DPMS enabled despite being set "false" in xorg.conf.d/
<birkoff> besides that, if my armbian goes to 'screen saving mode' for long time it doesn't wake up
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<IgorPec> birkoff it depends on the hardware
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<birkoff> in 'xset -q' i see that DPMS is Enabled
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<birkoff> I disable it now and will let it run for a while untouched and see if it gets 'disconnected' again
<birkoff> disabled*
<birkoff> why isn't the Xorg.conf setting effective ?
<IgorPec> which hardware you are talking about? On some works, on others don't
<birkoff> my device is a set top box
<IgorPec> its not armbian problem that your setupbox is not made by the standards
<IgorPec> if you understant what i mean?
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<birkoff> what do you mean not made by the standards? it's a distro software thing
<IgorPec> its hardware layer function, distro uses this and that DE and that DE talks with hw in some way
<IgorPec> and your tv box lacks sw support in this
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<IgorPec> lanefu: my N2 also reboot -> poweroff sometimes
<birkoff> well, since I've manually modified DPMS settings via 'xset' it seems like no sleeps are due
<birkoff> and the screen is on so far
<birkoff> so we can conclude it is not a hardware thing, because DPMS is fully compatible with my set-top box
<IgorPec> its a sofware thing yes, but nobody will fix that
<IgorPec> its a kernel problem
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<lanefu> Bleh all that work and i still ended up back on the N2 with kernel 4.9
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