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<archetech>
lanefu: Hap 4th and most run on Xwayland
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<lanefu>
thanks archetech
<lanefu>
fireworks and gunfire making my dogs crazy
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<lanefu>
archetech: how do you adjust resolution in wayland
<lanefu>
nevermind. its stupid and i'm not tyring hard enogh
<Tonymac32>
kids saw their first big moon, fireflies, and fireworks tonight
<lanefu>
7/4/2020 a night to remember
<lanefu>
pretty cool tho
<lanefu>
how old are they?
<Tonymac32>
5 and 7
<Miouyouyou>
nekomancer[m] : I confused it with the self-hosted selector. The only thing available is https://github.com/uraimo/run-on-arch-action but it's basically qemu on Github actions (100% horrendous performances)
<Tonymac32>
Miouyouyou apparently gets up at like 5:00
<Miouyouyou>
Yes ! I have a very strict life schedule. I didn't wake up because of the light of the screen, that did not turn off because KDE somehow refused to automatically hibernate.
<Tonymac32>
hahahahahaha
<Tonymac32>
of course
<lanefu>
I'm doing the armbian 4k attempt world-tour
<lanefu>
n2 fail, Opi 4 fail
<lanefu>
trying le potato next
<lanefu>
i'm convinced only allwinner will work
<Miouyouyou>
You check how much boards boasted about 4K and are actually failing miserably ?
<lanefu>
yeah.. i got 2560x1440 to work-ish when i cranked refresh down to 30hz.. and the screen was all waavy
<Tonymac32>
... dude
<Miouyouyou>
A R M B I A N - S Y N T H W A V E
<Tonymac32>
ll
<Tonymac32>
lol
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
yeah i'll just use it as an occilator
<Miouyouyou>
HDMI oscillators, the best ones
<Tonymac32>
yikes
<Tonymac32>
I've never had much luck in amlogicland with any display
<lanefu>
only 19 pins to connect
<Miouyouyou>
And only one board to fry ! So test it now !
<lanefu>
RK3399 isn't fairing any better.... although fullscreen 1080p video was smooth. possibly smoother than n2
<Tonymac32>
ok, my potato does 4k on boot
<Tonymac32>
but with all monitors it has only 1 resolution and says 0 hz refresh
<Miouyouyou>
Fixed picture screen
<lanefu>
yeah N2 was doin gthat with kernel 4.9
<lanefu>
i mean i'll take that at this point
<Tonymac32>
no, it's working, just X doesn't understand it's working
<Tonymac32>
apparently
<Tonymac32>
which
<Tonymac32>
I don't even know
<lanefu>
yeah i read that X disagrees about pixel clcok stuff
<Tonymac32>
I thought RK3288 had 4K on mainline finally
<Miouyouyou>
Some people were able to get 4K on RK3288, but only at 30Hz.
<Tonymac32>
it's HDMI 1.4
<Tonymac32>
so trhat's all ytou can get
<Miouyouyou>
You get up to 60Hz with some YUV hacks
<Tonymac32>
haxors
<Miouyouyou>
But then you're on your own. If you don't though, you're on you own too.
<Tonymac32>
It's dangerous to go alone. Take this
* Tonymac32
hands over a MiQi
* Miouyouyou
takes the MiQi
<Miouyouyou>
Now I got 4 of them !
<Tonymac32>
hahaha so you can light up the entire neighborhood with the power LEDs
<Miouyouyou>
If I can gather 3 more, I'll be able to invoke the legendary dragon !
* Tonymac32
is sad about having to reintroduce all Amlogic audio patches
* Tonymac32
is also still confused why the GX outputs like alvin and the chipmunks
<Tonymac32>
when the GX and GXL used to behave the same with the same driver...
<Miouyouyou>
Think of the children
<Tonymac32>
it's gotta be something like mclk-fs
<Miouyouyou>
It's okay though, you just have a plug an USB sound card that cost twice the price of the board on it, and here, you got sound. With standard drivers too.
<Tonymac32>
ASUS did that by soldering it to the board
<Tonymac32>
rofl
<Tonymac32>
the Tinker is using USB audio codec
<lanefu>
tater is doing that weird thing where it takes 1000 years to boot
<Miouyouyou>
I actually never tried to get Audio output on the Tinky
<Tonymac32>
I am certain we still don't know all the "secrets" of that board, like when I learned the bluetooth audio from the WIFI adapter was also run right to that codec
<Tonymac32>
it's easy to get audio, it just takes some asound.conf work to get it to make sense on the user side
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: but they had all the pretty colors on the GPIO pins
<Tonymac32>
if that board had proper power input, it was awesome
<Tonymac32>
even without it didn't crash
<Tonymac32>
just USB stuff that expected 4.5 + V got cranky
<Miouyouyou>
Tinkerboard, the tallest of the dwarves
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
IRL
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
i wasnt ready for that
<Tonymac32>
Brutal truth time: If I need a project to "Just work", that's the board I'm grabbing.
<TRS-80>
ok well the movies are apparently done... on to the music now... :/
<Miouyouyou>
One more hour to go
<TRS-80>
at least they /look/ like they are going faster
<Tonymac32>
I found my crappy Z80 emulator I wrote in Java
<Tonymac32>
I thought I had lost that, I wrote it 16 years ago
<TRS-80>
speaking of Java, my fresh OpenHAB install just keeps restarting periodically... :/
<Miouyouyou>
How, you just have to reinstall the Java plugin and run it in your browser
<Tonymac32>
I was learning assembly and Java at the same time, and was predictably unimpressed with Java.
<Miouyouyou>
Crontab ?
<Tonymac32>
it was Java 2, hahaha
<Miouyouyou>
"How to pass a function in Java"
<Miouyouyou>
"It's simple !"
<Miouyouyou>
You create an interface
<Tonymac32>
:'(
<Miouyouyou>
Then you create an object with that interface
<Miouyouyou>
Then you yell at the screen at how stupidly verbous this language can be
<Tonymac32>
Java is what happens when theory begins to exist separate from reality
<Miouyouyou>
I did some Java when developping my first Android app and...
<Miouyouyou>
I'm glad they went to Kotlin a few years later
<Tonymac32>
What kills me is they try to throw Java at kids that have never seen a programming language before
<Tonymac32>
"What does "public static void" mean?"
<Tonymac32>
teacher: "Don't worry about all that stuff"
<Miouyouyou>
Well, first, I need to tell you about business logic and Java2EE
<Miouyouyou>
Now they throw Python at them
<Tonymac32>
at least Python has a low amount of overhead
<Tonymac32>
"import" is not intrimidating
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah. Syntax wise, it's simple.
<Tonymac32>
and REPL is good for noobs
<Miouyouyou>
I'm still amazed by the amount of script editors that don't come with a REPL window though
<Tonymac32>
Yeah
<TRS-80>
muh REPL is busy atm :(
<Tonymac32>
like for work I use Python for crunching through datasets because it's quick and dirty, and at least a couple of my coworkers can understand it
<Miouyouyou>
That's because you're using the Azure Cloud Native REPL inside Emacs
<Tonymac32>
if I used Matlab I'd be the only person able to do anything
<TRS-80>
no I am moving giles on Cubietruck
<Tonymac32>
J Giles?
<TRS-80>
Tonymac32: but Matlan is not free
<TRS-80>
just say no
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 the dayjob has licenses
<TRS-80>
> paying for chains makes them OK
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah ! you should write it in Perl ! That way, you coworkers will hate you too !
<Tonymac32>
hahahahaha
<Miouyouyou>
$#@(list-ref)
<Tonymac32>
well, I work for an engineering company, there is no software in the things I actually produce, so
<Tonymac32>
the coworkers all added together might have used BASIC back in the 80's, and one guy knows some C
<Tonymac32>
oh and LabVIEW
<Tonymac32>
because in this context, that counts
<Miouyouyou>
10 PRINT "I know basic"
<Miouyouyou>
20 GOTO 10
<Tonymac32>
20 GOTO 10
<Miouyouyou>
Predictable !
<Tonymac32>
I didn't look up fast enough hahaha
<Miouyouyou>
See
<Miouyouyou>
BASIC leads to predactibility
<Tonymac32>
I am a little discouraged by the entire field of computer science these days, they lose their minds about "GOTO"
<Miouyouyou>
Meaning it's reliable. BASIC for autonomous car firmwares.
<Tonymac32>
ok
<Tonymac32>
so how about JMP?
<Miouyouyou>
Ah, yeah
<Miouyouyou>
"goto err" can makes a lot of developpers flip out
<Tonymac32>
hehehe
<Miouyouyou>
And actually a lot of C++ compilers too
<Tonymac32>
GOTO right into video memory
<Tonymac32>
woohoo
<TRS-80>
yet hammerFactory ies are no problem
<Miouyouyou>
I got a problem. I decided to use Java to resolve it.
<Miouyouyou>
Now I have a ProblemFactory
<Tonymac32>
I really should at least look at Rust
<Tonymac32>
although I hear you need to spend 2 weeks learning before you can make a "Hello World
<Miouyouyou>
Ah yeah, I should also look at Rust and Go
<Miouyouyou>
Nah, I did a quick test once and it's quite easy
<Tonymac32>
Google Only Lang
<TRS-80>
which one did one of OG wizards work on? I think Go? Amirite?
<Tonymac32>
GO
<TRS-80>
Rust seems quite hipster-ish
<Tonymac32>
I get that impression as well
<Tonymac32>
"I use Rust on Arch"
<Tonymac32>
XD
<Miouyouyou>
"... On a tinkerboard !"
<Tonymac32>
hehe
<Tonymac32>
it would have to be a beaglebone I think
<Miouyouyou>
Got to work to get your hipster degree !
* Tonymac32
dusts off Mini2440 to pwn all the mainstreamers
<Miouyouyou>
"If you get a hipster degree, do you ever get recognition in your community ? And if you don't, aren't you a real hipster ? See, it's a win-win situation !"
<Miouyouyou>
The fact they integrated a library package manager with their languages is nice, though
<Miouyouyou>
They're clearly not the first
<Tonymac32>
I come from a place where PBR has been on tap since the mid 20th century, and flannel and beards are eternal. I do not understand hipsters, they're like excessively clean versions of my neighbors
<Miouyouyou>
(CPAN)
<Miouyouyou>
Sounds like you live in Ultima Online
<TRS-80>
Go is a statically typed, compiled programming language designed at Google by Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson.
<TRS-80>
sold
<TRS-80>
"The designers were primarily motivated by their shared dislike of C++"
<TRS-80>
:D
<Tonymac32>
if you've ever used "friend", you hate C++
<Tonymac32>
you can do some truly cursed things
<Miouyouyou>
My biggest grip with C++ is the really bizarre names they give to their methods
<Miouyouyou>
Like, it's not "add" or "append" it's "push_back"
<Tonymac32>
lol
<Miouyouyou>
It sounds like there's people carefully selecting names that nobody will guess at any time
<Tonymac32>
where did you find that picture of my Russian math professor?
<Miouyouyou>
Well, he seems well known for his cocaine addictions
<Miouyouyou>
If you search cocaine bear, you'll find his photo !
<Tonymac32>
He was a huge dude that liked to tell crazy stories IRL
<Miouyouyou>
All while teaching factorization
<Tonymac32>
Told us his wife calling was actually the Kremlin
<Tonymac32>
so he had a sense of humor
<Miouyouyou>
So the SM-Play was "the Gulag ?"
* TRS-80
feels like he is getting close
<Tonymac32>
to giving up?
<TRS-80>
no to being done
<Miouyouyou>
Yay !
<TRS-80>
oh no, now TV Shows just started :/
<Miouyouyou>
Now that I think about it, couldn't you check about the "cp" issue using "df" a few times, to check if the size were diminishing or improving ?
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80: What if I told you I might be able to make an overlay for Tritium to support the HifiBerry DAC
<Miouyouyou>
Break the TV
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 can't risk damaging his full collection of "The 6 Million Dollar Man" and "Spencer for Hire"
<TRS-80>
Tonymac32: I would have reaction pic but access to my maymays is currently all locked up
<Miouyouyou>
At my last job, I played a lot with STM32 ADC converters, but never tried DAC converters.
<Tonymac32>
(for reference to what I'm talking about)
<Miouyouyou>
12 with 2-PLY = 48
<Miouyouyou>
That sums up, yeah
<Tonymac32>
you need mega rolls if you eat a lot of Taco Bell
<Miouyouyou>
Tonymac32: It's his wife on the package ?
<Tonymac32>
hahahahahaha
<Tonymac32>
or White Castle
<Tonymac32>
or depending on what you get at Biscuit World
<Tonymac32>
besiudes heart disease
<Tonymac32>
lanefu ^
<TRS-80>
been on this homeade egg mcmuffin kick lately, they are awesome
<Tonymac32>
did that a couple days ago
<Miouyouyou>
Bought some rings, to make thicky toasted eggs ?
<Tonymac32>
I've never been so clinical with them, just fry the egg and toss it on the muffin
<Tonymac32>
with our watered down WWII "Help Europe" cheese
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<TRS-80>
Miouyouyou: actually the missus bought these 2 microwave egg things
<Tonymac32>
!!! wtf
<TRS-80>
at first I was very skeptical, but they grew on me
<Tonymac32>
radio eggs
* Tonymac32
looks over at cast iron and reassures it no 2.4 GHz eggs are in my future
<Tonymac32>
:D
* TRS-80
ain't got time for that shit
<Tonymac32>
cast iron pan, real butter, can't beat it
<Tonymac32>
now my wife won't use it because she doesn't like lifting it, and she doesn't like to clean it properly
* Tonymac32
had to stop her from running it through the dishwasher
<TRS-80>
oO
<TRS-80>
she from the city or something?
<Tonymac32>
I'm a lot more particular about cooking than I ever thought, it needs to be gas range, cast pans, etc
<Tonymac32>
no, she's from WV
<Tonymac32>
which, well, I've had this discussion with her, I'm not sure what happened to her
<Tonymac32>
I also like to try new foods, she does not XD
<TRS-80>
mine likes to make different things, luckily
<Tonymac32>
can't get her to do smoked salmon, she only recently decided hummus was good (still working on pickled onions/etc)
<TRS-80>
IT IS DONE
<Miouyouyou>
YAY !
<Tonymac32>
awesome
<Tonymac32>
so, just a note: In the hills, pickling literally everything is common. She doesn't like pickled stuff
* TRS-80
forgot what he was going to do next
<Miouyouyou>
I also have a cast iron pan
<Tonymac32>
so, for example, Shawarma is impossible
<Miouyouyou>
For eggs, it's the best
<Tonymac32>
definitely
<Miouyouyou>
"It just works"
<Tonymac32>
I like to do stir-fry in a big one, but I've thought about getting a wok since that's really it's entire purpose
<Miouyouyou>
Yeah. Less likely to put everything on the floor with a bad wrist move on a high flame
<Miouyouyou>
Be careful with closed eggs in the microwave though. It's one of the biggest microwave users medical issue.
<Miouyouyou>
A lot of people tend to learn how much pressure an egg shell can endure, and what happens when it can't anymore
<Tonymac32>
yeah, no good
<Tonymac32>
of course more surpising is the pressure a potato can endure in an oven
<Miouyouyou>
Ah, never heard about exploding potatoes. Interesting.
<Tonymac32>
I feel that most people should recognize the eggshell as a pressure vessel
<Tonymac32>
and, consequently, shrapnel
<Tonymac32>
but, I am constantly disappointed
<Tonymac32>
:)\
<Miouyouyou>
Ah, the face of disappointment ... :D
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<Tonymac32>
I don't know how important potatoes are to various world cuisines, however with all the Irish, Scottish, and German peoples where I grew up... well we ate a lot of potatoes
<Tonymac32>
they will explode in the oven
<Tonymac32>
you need to poke some deep holes in them
<Miouyouyou>
I tend to boil them in water or slice them, so never got this issue... for now !
<Tonymac32>
then we learned the Polish actually drink them, that was a party
<Miouyouyou>
50 shades of potatoes
<Tonymac32>
hahahaha
<Tonymac32>
last day of my long weekend tomorrow, I'll need to grill some stuff
<Miouyouyou>
It's the tradition
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80: Charcoal or propane?
<Miouyouyou>
Fuel
<TRS-80>
charcoal, what are you some sort of Philistene?
<Tonymac32>
there we go
<Tonymac32>
my family got me this double-walled egg shaped thing, I can grill or use it as a charcoal smoker
<Tonymac32>
ran it 12 hours without needing to do anything other than adjust the air a bit
<Tonymac32>
(the char-griller is waaayyyy cheaper than that ceramic egg one)
<Tonymac32>
and I can apparently get allt he replacememnt parts from a catalog, which is unique in this disposable society
<Miouyouyou>
Replacement parts ? What are you ? A fucking tree-hugging hippie !?
<Tonymac32>
hahaha I'm somewhat conscious of sustainability
<archetech>
mixed metaphor there
<Tonymac32>
lol
<Tonymac32>
I drive a small inefficient truck, so no. I repair it with welding to prolong it's life and avoid throwing it away so yes?
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<archetech>
sounds more like WV kinda guy
<Tonymac32>
I own some solar panels, but don't believe they are close to a sustainable replacement for our core generation
<Miouyouyou>
Next objective : Replace half of the cargo with lithium-ion batteries and use a H5 for autonomous driving
<Tonymac32>
lithium batteries are going to be a fun topic in 10-15 years
<Miouyouyou>
Put some gray paint
<Miouyouyou>
And call it "CyberTruck"
<Tonymac32>
it has too many curves, it doesn't look like my 7 year old drew it with only a ruler
<archetech>
and a crayon
<Tonymac32>
I try not to get into religion in public forums, but I am not a fan of Tesla
<Miouyouyou>
Well, you either got straight lines or you got blobs !
<Tonymac32>
XD
<archetech>
me either when science becomes religion mankind is done
<Tonymac32>
buckle up
<Miouyouyou>
And then catkind will dominate !
<Tonymac32>
hahahaha
<archetech>
my sister saw a wild turkey at the detroit bus terminal
<archetech>
downtown!
<Tonymac32>
wow
<Miouyouyou>
As the driver ?
<Miouyouyou>
"They hiring anything now, with Covid 19"
<archetech>
it used the crosswalk too
* Tonymac32
needs to remind the people unfamiliar: most of the area around downtown is abandoned and overgrown
<archetech>
so its may have been a hybrid
<Tonymac32>
but a turkey is pretty wild
<Miouyouyou>
Detroit : Become Turkey
* Tonymac32
needs to stop stalling and start painfully reconstructing this patchset
<Miouyouyou>
That momen where you understand that... you just have to do it
<Tonymac32>
:'(
<Tonymac32>
The release manager will fire me if I don't
<Miouyouyou>
It's okay, there's a solution
<Miouyouyou>
You can take the place of the release manager
<Miouyouyou>
That way : Problem solved !
<Tonymac32>
we aren't Klingons, I can't just assassinate the release manager
<Miouyouyou>
Sometimes, if you got the whole Linus tree, you can try to force readapt patches using "3way" patches handling.
<RockchipGuy>
hello room...wondering if anyone has any idea if Armbian supports the RK3188?
<Miouyouyou>
If nobody catches you, that's not an assassination
<Miouyouyou>
Not that I know...
<Tonymac32>
hello Rockchip guy not that I'm aware of
<Miouyouyou>
Is RK3188 supported on mainline kernels ?
<Tonymac32>
the TV boxes subforum may have answers
<Tonymac32>
but main Armbian distro, no
<RockchipGuy>
hmmm...arguably I suppose
<RockchipGuy>
I'm trying to get the rockchip release of kernel 4.4 running
<Miouyouyou>
Radxarock seems to have a DTS file. But, I doubt you'll have any image in the first place, so you'll have to hack around with the compile script
* Tonymac32
has flashbacks of the Rockchip kernel on the RK3288, dives into a foxhole screaming
<RockchipGuy>
yes, I've already modified the DTS to the best of my ability
<Miouyouyou>
RK3288 never had a single issue ! shivers
<Miouyouyou>
RockchipGuy: Try a 5.7 kernel, with the right DTS file selected, and give it a shot.
<RockchipGuy>
thanks!!
<Miouyouyou>
Just compile it like a RK3288 for the rest of the options.
<RockchipGuy>
mind blown that I found a channel with activity and a potential solution on a platform others are familiar with
<RockchipGuy>
thanks guys...I'll be at this a while, wish me luck :)
<Technicavolous>
ArmbianHelper that's where I found the link here ;] thanks to all
<ArmbianHelper>
Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
<Werner>
Interesting
<Technicavolous>
it didn't like my " ;] " i think
<Werner>
Maybe. The question is why
<Technicavolous>
I used the semicolon and the squared bracket, been my flat smiley for years
<Werner>
Ah maybe it tried to find a command within your sentence since you mentioned it
<Technicavolous>
is there an excape character in irc like the slash ..."/]
<Werner>
ArmbianHelper echo $randomDate
<ArmbianHelper>
Fri Jan 25 04:49:26 2013
<Werner>
I'll disable this behaviour
<Werner>
ArmbianHelper echo $randomDate
<Werner>
Good.
<Werner>
Technicavolous, no there isn't. Usually you do not need such anyways ;)
<Technicavolous>
";]" becomes ;]
<Technicavolous>
there we go
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<lanefu>
well.. i dunno if it was when i pullged in the cable. or Tonymac32 magic.. but i'm on a 4k framebuffer with el tater
<IgorPec>
N2?
<lanefu>
le potato
<lanefu>
have n2 build running right now
<IgorPec>
i see tony made some changes but i am currently playing with rockchips
<IgorPec>
so i'll check later on
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<RockchipGuy>
So I grabbed 5.7.7 mainline, and have noticed a few things:
<RockchipGuy>
1) There doesn't seem to be an option in the boot configuration to enter the name of a DTB
<RockchipGuy>
2) There no longer seems to be a defconfig for Rockchip
<IgorPec>
you build image ?
<RockchipGuy>
not yet, I'm not able to specify the DTS
<IgorPec>
so far that wordked
<IgorPec>
you can choose that either in build time or on the image/board by adding fdtfile= to the /boot/armbianEnv.txt
<RockchipGuy>
has anyone actually had success getting any kernel greater than 3.0.36 on the RK3188?
<IgorPec>
afaik we have no 3188 board
<IgorPec>
i have one somewhere but actually never booted it
<RockchipGuy>
I was working with Rockchip's 4.4 release and it was suggested to try 5.7 mainline, but that seems to be getting further from compatibility with the board/processor rather than closer
<IgorPec>
yeah, that's expected. Its always a trade
<RockchipGuy>
I wish there was as much activity in the linux-rockchip channel as there is here
<IgorPec>
some features are absent, but modernity of new kernel might prevail. depends on use case
<RockchipGuy>
how does one go about specifying a DTB at build time?
<IgorPec>
rockchip engineers comes around from time to time ... but we have no impact on their business policy
<RockchipGuy>
I'm using make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- -j4
<IgorPec>
don't know if you can choose one specific only ...
<RockchipGuy>
A more general question...when enabling low-level debugging (to see what exactly the kernel is doing when it hangs) does the port interfere with the FIQ debugger? I have both enabled in my kernel configuration
<RockchipGuy>
also I notice as I go through the port options (UART 0-3) the base address stays the same. Should that be the case? I would think each port has its own base address, although that information about the processor does not seem to be at the ready
<IgorPec>
afaik FIQ debugger is rockchip pripriatery name for serial console
<IgorPec>
on modern kernel its ttyS2 IIRC
<RockchipGuy>
yes, which is working up until the kernel starts to load
<IgorPec>
yes, then you have to tell kernel to use it
<IgorPec>
with a kernel parameter console=/dev/ttyS2,115200
<IgorPec>
but in case kernel doesn't boot properly, you will see nothing
<RockchipGuy>
what about the port address for low level debugging?