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<nekomancer[m]> ArmbianTwitter: why don't you post links to posts you quote?
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<lanefu> aha.. we're missing some resolutions here https://github.com/armbian/firmware/tree/master/edid
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<TRS-80> evening
<lanefu> howdy
<lanefu> lanefu vs 4k.. geting closer.. [ 6.134584] [drm] Got external EDID base block and 1 extension from "edid/z24.bin" for connector "HDMI-A-1"
<TRS-80> progress!
<TRS-80> I spent all day brushing up my sed and regex just so I could remove PII from 4500+ lines of Android logcat to submit to Syncthing for bug report. Not how I was planning to spend today... :/
<lanefu> omg yeah that sounds like 10000 fun
<TRS-80> I had to take a break at some point and take a shower, my freaking eyeballs
<TRS-80> I really hope some good comes out of it. It does sound like a legitimate and long standing bug, that they have been unable to pin down.
<TRS-80> I found a number of references to similar issues, but they were all "frozen due to age", or OP never supplied enough info, etc...
<lanefu> closing old issues is one of my favorite things to do
<Tonymac32> IgorPec yes
<Tonymac32> since moving current to 5.7 I've ignore Dev
<Tonymac32> we'll pick Dev back up when 5.8 is released
<nekomancer[m]> in mozilla's bugzilla are bugs older than 16 years
<Tonymac32> hehe
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 hello
<Tonymac32> lanefu, shipped out a box of ESP32 boards this morning, Crowd Supply stepped up
<TRS-80> I finally received my first couple ESP32s recently. Messed with them briefly whilst having coffee. Then nightmare mentioned above all the rest of today.
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: I don't think Igor is here now?
<Tonymac32> You should buy my super expensive one because pals
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: difference is, I don't think they care about fixing them
<Tonymac32> and you are correct
<Tonymac32> I answered without looking
<nekomancer[m]> 3×ESP32 per warhead? 12 warheads full salvo?
<Tonymac32> If you ask the export control people you'd think they were ballistic guidance computers
<Tonymac32> US Government: OMG IT HAS CRYPTO NOOOOOOOO
* Tonymac32 shrugs while loading MicroPython onto them
<nekomancer[m]> just self-driving device.
<nekomancer[m]> delivery bot
<TRS-80> Tonymac32 you probably know this. I have generic / white / I think they are called "Geekcreit / Doit / Generic" sort of board according to https://diyprojects.io/esp32-card-choose-develop-diy-connected-objects/ in fact they look a lot like that pic. But I was trying to figure out what "board" to specify in PlatformIO (i.e., https://platformio.org/boards)?
<TRS-80> MAybe I buy your expensive board, at least it probably has a name I can find. :D
<TRS-80> maybe I /shoud/
<TRS-80> should
<TRS-80> brb
<Tonymac32> well, no, not in platformIO, but
<Tonymac32> if it is a WROOM, you choose WROOM
<Tonymac32> no matter what shape the board is in
<Tonymac32> same thing with the WROVER based stuff (like mine)
* TRS-80 pulls the thing back out
<TRS-80> yes it is WROOM
<Tonymac32> the main only difference between the two (other than physical size) is the inclusion of extra SPI RAM on the WROVER
<Tonymac32> yeah, so if you choose ESP-WROOM32 or whatever, it will work
<TRS-80> OK, so there is no "WROOM" within context of pio "boards"
<Tonymac32> lol hang on
<TRS-80> maybe I should ask on their forums
<Tonymac32> no I can figure this out
<TRS-80> OK, they have an IRC channel with 17 people in it :D
<TRS-80> I will go just look at my AliExpress order for clues
<TRS-80> but I need to switch identities / IP address, brb
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<Tonymac32> it's just a breakout for the WROVER, so Espressif dev kit should work
<Tonymac32> sorry WROOM. :P
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<TRS-80> OK it is this exact one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32864722159.html
<TRS-80> (the module)
<TRS-80> I think it is "esp32dev" that is what OpenMQTTGateway specifies. https://docs.platformio.org/en/latest/boards/espressif32/esp32dev.html But board docs are lacking any context. Maybe I make a forum post, I am already logged in anyway.
<Tonymac32> if you pick one that is a WROVER, it will work
<TRS-80> esp32dev only for WROVER?
<TRS-80> mine is WROOM
<Tonymac32> It's weird they don't just have the modules standalone
<TRS-80> That's what I was thinking. I mean, certainly this is a common use case? I ended up making a forum post after all. Surely I can't be the only one with such basic question. Perhaps I help improve docs.
<TRS-80> I just want to make them blink to verify they work while I'm still within the return period.
<Tonymac32> do you know python?
<Tonymac32> TRS-80, if you download Thonny, you can flash microPython onto that and do whatever you want from the comfort of either the Thonny IDE or the REPL
<Tonymac32> That is the same as the dev board I got first
<Tonymac32> a generic ESP32-WROOM breakout
<TRS-80> I been getting quite comfortable in C++ by now because of MySensors. But maybe I give that a look.
<Tonymac32> then you can flash the binary to the board using either the ESP tools or an IDE like Thonny
<TRS-80> Trying to practice my Python. I have also been developing a home database app using Bottle. But I rarely have time to work on that it seems lately.
<Tonymac32> MicroPython even has all the wifi tools built in so you can connect/etc from the REPL
<TRS-80> Yeah, not so sure about that Thonny. lol Looks like babby crap. I don't want "an IDE", much less one "for beginners." I already have a /real/ text editor that I prefer (OK, some might call it an IDE, or even an OS for that matter, lol), it's called Emacs. And I rather been enjoying PlatformIO so far. I would much rather invest a little more time up front learning a real tool than waste time
<TRS-80> on some toy that I will outgrow sooner or later. Just the way I usually go about things.
<TRS-80> I am interested in trying MicroPython though at some point. Does it compile? Or it's still interpreted like regular Python?
<Tonymac32> interpreted, runs on the ESP32
<Tonymac32> for fast deployment it is very nice. I agree for srs bsns you want a compiled program so you are in more control of the code, but really with a dual core 240 MHz beastie, that's not as common as you might think
<TRS-80> I been doing so much crap in Java (OpenHAB) and C++ (Arduino) lately, then I try to write some little Emacs Lisp function the other day and momentarily forgot it's Polish notation. I was like OMFG you idiot! XD
<Tonymac32> hehehe
<TRS-80> Yeah good point. I am used to Arduino Pro Mini now. ESP32 is as you correctly point out, a beast in comparison.
* Tonymac32 looks over at his 2 HP calculators
<TRS-80> I never got into the HP calculators. I take it they are also le Polish notation?
<Tonymac32> yep
<Tonymac32> maths go like
<TRS-80> you could be a lisp wizard, you know
<Tonymac32> 2 3 4 + _ /
<TRS-80> OK, so I guess techically Lisp then is /reverse/ Polish notation
<TRS-80> (+ 2 2)
<Tonymac32> yeah, RPN
<TRS-80> 4
<Tonymac32> well entry wise
<Tonymac32> stuff into stack
<Tonymac32> operate on stack
<Tonymac32> repeat
<Tonymac32> (I didn't have any trouble learning the 8087 in class thanks to that)
<TRS-80> very good yes you could be lisp wizard
<TRS-80> because you will very easy understand CAR and CDR
<TRS-80> it's actually pretty fun once you get the hang of it
<TRS-80> that is the thing about Emacs, the whole goddamn thing (except a few primitives, for performance reasons) is written in ELisp
<TRS-80> So everything is available to you in the environment. It is very easy to customize and extend.
<TRS-80> I write little functions all the time to do stuff.
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<Tonymac32> wooo modem crashed outright. took it a minute to boot too, I'm guessing a ninja firmware update
<TRS-80> thought you just went to bed, Irish good bye
<Tonymac32> lol
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<TRS-80> at least my ONT is separate from my gateway router
<Tony_mac32> I was not looking forward to rigging a cellular option like before
<TRS-80> I pretty recently put a decent size switch behind that, too. My little digital empire of dirt is growing, it seems.
<Tony_mac32> ha, I have my modem, thena decent router, then a few switches
<TRS-80> first year we were here, my hotspot was our primary internet connection :)
<Tony_mac32> lol
<Tony_mac32> so I flashed microPython to my WROOM module (it's a clone of whatever yours is a clone of
<Tony_mac32> )
<Tony_mac32> works fine
<TRS-80> I had an old wrt-54g in client AP mode, wired to everything else, inluding another wrt54g in AP mode XD
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<TRS-80> but I just got started with platformio finally (after thinking about it for a long time)! I don't want to change platform again already1
<Tony_mac32> I would pretty much be tethering my Nexus 5x (all big cores disabled because faulty garbage) tethered to an SBC lol
<Tony_mac32> well if you want to see if the lights are on this will do that
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<TRS-80> > multiple Tony disorder
<Tony_mac32> ...mine of course does not have the GPIO2 LED
<Tony_mac32> yours should
<TRS-80> at first I thought we had a weiner, but look closely at the board layout, things are a lot different. USB chip and regulator in completely different places, among many other differences.
<TRS-80> not sure it makes a difference?
<TRS-80> maybe I should contact the bug people sellers, it's business hours over there now maybe
<Tony_mac32> that's irrelevant
<Tony_mac32> they are 100% the same as far as the software control is concerned
<Tony_mac32> If you look, they all have SiLabs USB->UARTs, etc, because they are all a reference design
<Tony_mac32> It's more or less just different tint on the windows of 2 same model cars
<Tony_mac32> everything that matter is under the can
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<Tony_mac32> Fundamentally mine is also the same thing, except I added an audio output and GPIO expander, and made it fit a standard case size that people recognize
<TRS-80> by "yours" you mean the one you developed and now sell?
<TRS-80> How overpriced are they? Maybe I will buy one or two anyway. You have a link?
<Werner> Good morning
<TRS-80> Good morning Werner! :)
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<Tony_mac32> Hello Igor
<IgorPec> hi
<TRS-80> oh good morning IgorPec
<TRS-80> I did get OpenWeatherMap working, we can talk whenever you have time, I am sure you are getting ready for your workday now
<Tony_mac32> I answered your question earlier, Meson64-dev is obsolete, since we're working on 5.7 Current
<IgorPec> TRS-80: great. Just no time for smarthouse ATM. leaving for summer vacations soon
<Werner> Do yourself a favor and turn off all notifications about armbian then :P
<Tony_mac32> hahaha yes
<IgorPec> TonyMac32: ok, so we can actually remove it?
<IgorPec> yeah, for at least a week i plan to do nothing
<Tony_mac32> remove it, or just clear it, waiting for 5.8
<Tony_mac32> lots more patch changes there I think
<Werner> Btw did somebody note about that DP and Type-C patch in forums? https://forum.armbian.com/topic/14583-nanopc-t4-how-to-make-displayport-type-c-working-in-5-kernels/
<Tony_mac32> o.O no
<IgorPec> yes, it seems DP works, but developer burned off his device :(
<Werner> That is unfortunate...
<Tony_mac32> with the patch?
<Tony_mac32> or...
<IgorPec> i also had issues with build server yesterday. like i was doing backup and ... no KVM image was able to read from the drive, I/O error :(
<Werner> What does smartctl tell?
<IgorPec> nothing
<IgorPec> i had the same problem months ago
<Werner> Welp..sometimes harddrives die without smart noticing it
<IgorPec> i move the drive to another pci slot and re-read
<TRS-80> were you even monitoring smart in first place?
<IgorPec> now it works.
<Werner> Even more odd. if you get your hands to another drive try reusing the old slot and do some tests, maybe the connector is damaged?
* TRS-80 recently made a script to send 3 most imprtant smart criteria via XMPP on every boot up of every desktop machine here
<Tony_mac32> THis patch (device tree side), is what I was trying to do on Renegade elite a long while ago
<IgorPec> yeah, it was irritation
<Tony_mac32> looks about the same, I'll take a peek
<IgorPec> its a drive where most of the armbian gets compiled :)
<TRS-80> connector, or wire...
<IgorPec> so i had an idea to also setup a server from scratch a day before leaving :)
<Werner> 1.200 TB TBW, so its about 10% toast already ^^
<TRS-80> SSD also especially do not give any warnings beforehand (even HDD do not always)
<Werner> TRS-80, true. I learned that the hard ware with harddrives a few years ago
<Werner> s/ware/way
<ArmbianHelper> Werner meant to say: TRS-80, true. I learned that the hard way with harddrives a few years ago
<IgorPec> so for how long this drive should be good?
<IgorPec> estimation?
<Werner> How long do you have it already?
<IgorPec> 1-2y
<Werner> If it exceeds the 1.200 TB TBW you should think about a replacement. So it should be still good for quite a while
<TRS-80> I don't even really know if SSD have same criteria that I monitor the closest as I do on HDD
<IgorPec> warranty is for 1200tbw ...
<TRS-80> That must have been short smart info (or maybe SSD are different) but most important ones you want to monitor are 187, 188, 198, and 197
<TRS-80> Lines 54-56 in your pastebin did jump out at me though. Keep monitoring those (and all of them, in general) over time and see if any are increasing.
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<IgorPec> the strange thing is that i already thought that SSD is dead since I could not read files
<IgorPec> well, i'll keep an eye on
<TRS-80> could be warning, or could be nothing; I would monitor maybe a little more closely
<TRS-80> exactly
<TRS-80> I finally made some automated script for this recently
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<Tony_mac32> werner great, now I want to open up my files on the renegade elite again
<Tony_mac32> >:(
<Tony_mac32> but I need to sleep
<Tony_mac32> haha
<TRS-80> gn Tony_mac32
<IgorPec> get some sleep :) useful feature
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<Tony_mac32> If I'm looking at those patches correctly, they might also help clean up some of the power delivery problems
<TRS-80> Already I am thinking to move my XMPP notification to MQTT with logging and then notification on criteria. But I think I am slowly migrating everything to MQTT anyway (not just HA stuff).
<Werner> Nice
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<ArmbianTwitter> @librecomputer (Libre Computer): @Armbian images are supported as a demo. @Debian's network internal work only over UART because of their kernel drivers. @OpenSUSE works on 2GB+ boards but Tumbleweed is a rolling release which can break at any moment. Leap 15.2 kernel 5.3 is slightly too old. (3s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @bruggems (Matthias Brugger): @librecomputer @armbian @debian @openSUSE The automated QA process of @openQAhq ensures that Tumbleweed works before releasing. Although in theory it can break, in reality it does not. (28s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @bruggems @librecomputer @debian @openSUSE @openQAhq Tested on all popular ARM single board computers like we do https://t.co/HNLgl5fKpL or only tested in virtual environment(s)? (6s ago)
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<lanefu> chewitt: does this problem make sense to you? basically drm driver identifies output connector as `HDMI-A-1` but Xorg doens't see/ have that port configured.... https://forum.armbian.com/topic/14167-4k-hdmi-output/?do=findComment&comment=105039
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<chewitt> anything involving Xorg is a mystery to me
<chewitt> but I'm wondering why people need to use edid.bin files
<chewitt> DRM should read the properties from HDMI and configure itself automatically
<chewitt> I see this habit of bundling bin files in lots of the retro-gaming distros and I don't see why it's needed
<lanefu> yeah honestly now that I have it reading that data, i thikn hte issue is still more around Xorg not pointing to the connector
<lanefu> i litterally dumbed the bin file from the edid reading on the drm device
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<ArmbianTwitter> @bruggems (Matthias Brugger): @armbian @librecomputer @debian @openSUSE @openQAhq not sure what "all popular ARM single board comouters" include, but we are not yet there. Anyway in Tumbleweed we are using the satble kernel, so most breakage are to be expected in userland. Which can be testes in a virtual environment. (27s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @bruggems @librecomputer @debian @openSUSE @openQAhq In ARM single board computers https://t.co/peFgXgtUuY most/a lot of breakage is expected before getting to userland ... a lot of boards are not well, properly or not at all supported in "stable" mainstream boot loader/kernel, but they work (well) with Armbian kernel ... (7s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): RT @librecomputer: Introducing Libre Computer OS Tool (LOST). Install an OS in 5 minutes over the internet. Native to our second generation… (16s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @librecomputer (Libre Computer): @bruggems @armbian @debian @openSUSE @openQAhq We reduced the LOST's memory requirements to 1GB on OpenSUSE for testing purposes. We have already reduced the CMA area for OpenSUSE to 64MB to get a handle on the OOM situation for 1GB boards. On the 2GB board, we get an error with efivars near the end of the install. (25s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @librecomputer (Libre Computer): @bruggems @armbian @debian @openSUSE @openQAhq Here's our attempt to install OpenSUSE on 1GB board. It hangs at "Starting Installation..." This video is sped up by 20x. https://t.co/5jYbIzCC8G (21s ago)
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<IgorPec> werner
<Werner> ?
<IgorPec> you have more then one locales at your location, right?
<IgorPec> nevertheless your desktop will go to german mode automagically .. as miune goes to slovene
<Werner> Nice
<Werner> I can try that tomorrow on my One Plus
<IgorPec> yeah, i will probably merge this feature in
<IgorPec> take a look if there is any obvious stupid thing in the code
<Werner> From which branch should is start builds? nightly or AR-45?
<ArmbianHelper> AR-45 [Story] "Make first login more user friendly" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-11-15. Status: To Do
<IgorPec> now, AR-45, but if there is nothing to fix, i am done
<ArmbianHelper> AR-45 [Story] "Make first login more user friendly" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2019-11-15. Status: To Do
<Werner> I'll start my build run on that branch so the images are ready tomorrow
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<Werner> Interesting. ipinfo.io got piholed at my place
<IgorPec> huh, then we have to extend this somehow
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<Werner> Add fallback option?
<IgorPec> yes, or proxy:)
<Werner> On the other hand how likely it is that somebody has an adblocker in their LAN...
<IgorPec> well, in any case ... when starting without network
<IgorPec> you can't get automatic ID
<IgorPec> but manual is not evoked now. its just bypassed ... perhaps this should be added
<IgorPec> if not ip, timezone selection and when time zone is set, locales is made automatic again.
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<Werner> Should do
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<c0rnelius> thats a pretty neat trick. you gonna grep for an ip address and if not found bypass?
<c0rnelius> hmm. guess that probs wouldn't work.
<IgorPec> i changed a bit now
<IgorPec> checking, if found, set automatically else ask for manual
<c0rnelius> kool stuff
<c0rnelius> is it a function? whats the mechanism behind it?
<c0rnelius> IgorPec: its very neat. i likes it.
<IgorPec> i hope privacy inspectors will be happy about. script is calling somewhere, to this server and servers tells IP location
<c0rnelius> ur code is always really clean though and yes i did notice this.
<c0rnelius> its not like ur hiding anything.
<IgorPec> not me, but some people are paranoid
<c0rnelius> like me :D
<IgorPec> well ... if people will have concerns, i'll add one more if
<IgorPec> so they will have to confirm or deny connecting to server and settign manually only ofc
<c0rnelius> when i first saw it i was thinking some peps might have a problem with that, but if pulled off correctly would they even notice?
<IgorPec> a few peopel always notice
<c0rnelius> maybe put a disclaimer somewhere? its not really intrusive, honestly. its functional.
<IgorPec> and this is pretty obvious that we have to call somewhere to determine location
<c0rnelius> yeah
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<Jacki> hello
<Jacki> can I ask to ask ?
* nekomancer[m] > <@freenode_TRS-80:matrix.org> I had an old wrt-54g in client AP mode, wired to everything else, inluding another wrt54g in AP mode XD
* nekomancer[m] recommend Xiaomi mi3G with Padavan or OpenWRT firmware. Very good dirt, cheap as dirt, powerful dirt.
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<Jacki> Anybody has OP4 ?
<Jacki> Anybody is playing with OrangePi4 ?
<c0rnelius> Jacki: just ask ur question
<Jacki> I cant record audio, somebody sayd it works. how ?
<[TheBug]> Jacki, you have to do the work here, we can't read your mind, you need to tell us what you have actually attempted as far as trying to record. What software have you used? Have you revied alsa / pulseaudio drivers and made sure they are working as expected? If you can't answer these questions yet, then you need to do a bit more Googling around your self first. If you can ask specific
<[TheBug]> questions with context, most of the time people here will try to point you in the right direction.
<Jacki> playback works
<Jacki> i tryed record with arecord and audacity
<Jacki> (current kernel)
<Jacki> the device shows in arecord -l
<c0rnelius> have you made sure its not muted under alsamixer?
<Jacki> pulse is installed (by default) and maybe it creates more problem than help
<Jacki> not last time, let me see.
<lanefu> recording with the onboard microphone?
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<Jacki> any
<Jacki> mic
<Jacki> why there are a dozen of volumes ?
<lanefu> can you paste a screenshot into snipboard.io have no idea what you're talking about
<Jacki> the correct one is "IN" ?
<Jacki> no lane
<Jacki> how to set the defaul channel ?
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<lanefu> sorry i don't know
<Jacki> i cant mute or unmute
<xwigg>
<Jacki> how can i select the channel with arecord ?
<lanefu> ing wheres chansrv when you need it
<lanefu> s/ing/OMG
<ArmbianHelper> lanefu meant to say: OMG wheres chansrv when you need it
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<Jacki> guys is there a GUI mixer ?
<horst_> help
<ArmbianHelper> Check out our awesome documentation! It's tremendous, promise! https://docs.armbian.com/
<Jacki> the pulseaudio one sucks
<Jacki> should I record with pulse or alsa ?
<Jacki> can u answer 1 of the 34879 questions i made ?
<Jacki> alsamixergui is less functional than the terminal one
<Jacki> alsamixergui is less functional than the terminal one
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<Jacki> i go back to my first question
<Jacki> anybody has a OP4 ?
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TonyMac_32 (Thomas McKahan): @groguard More small boards, with more interesting MCU's. :-). And my 40-hour (LOL) workweek. Oh, and an Armbian release. (16s ago)
<paulopimenta> hi!
<Jacki> hi
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<Jacki> maybe only onboard doesnt work ?
<Jacki> maybe only onboard mic doesnt work ?
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