#armbian on 2021-03-14 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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05:21 <sunshavi> where could I download armbian 5.11 for orange pi pc?

05:26 <lanefu> Try http://armbian.tnahosting.net/archive/

05:28 <sunshavi> lanefu: just 5.10 there

05:29 <sunshavi> Igorpec told me the 5.11 images where on testing

05:29 <sunshavi> But on testing I also see 5.10.y

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06:49 <Wizzard> Hello

06:50 <Wizzard> I was told on pine64 discord that it could be possible to build arhmf Armbian using Armbian build system, is it true?

06:51 <Wizzard> *armhf

06:54 <Werner> Armbian is always built as armhf or arm64 depending on hardware. There is no option to build 32bit userland for a 64bit soc

06:54 <Wizzard> oh :(

06:54 <Wizzard> so it is not possible

06:55 <Werner> Not without development which we do not consider at the moment

06:57 <Wizzard> Ok, I see, and is there any other way to replace arm64 for armhf in specific Armbian build?

06:58 <Werner> Not I am aware of

06:58 <Wizzard> Thank you, so I dont need to study that Armbian build system

06:59 <Werner> Not if you are looking for a fast and cheap solution :)

07:00 <Wizzard> If I just replaced that arm64 kernel by armhf, it would not boot, right?

07:01 <Werner> Would probably not even build

07:01 <Wizzard> I mean on the running system via package manager

07:02 <Werner> No idea. Try

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07:09 <HerculeP> just? maybe wait some weeks/month ;)

07:10 <HerculeP> ( just? was for sunshavi )

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07:28 <lanefu> sunshavi: sorry i misunderstood

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08:38 <ArmbianTwitter> @blu51899890 (blu): @never_released @armbian @NVIDIAEmbedded How's the OCL though? https://tinyurl.com/yzgd9yj8 (13s ago)

09:04 <ArmbianTwitter> @never_released (Longhorn): @blu51899890 @armbian @NVIDIAEmbedded About compute and nouveau... well the less that you expect, the more happy you would be... https://tinyurl.com/yejwauhq (3s ago)

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10:57 <kayterina> hello. I see the nano pi air has solder output for audio/mic. This means I can solder a female plug for trs with microphone? The goal is to plug a speaker with microphone that I have.

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11:37 <IgorPec> kayterina: yes. all thos chips have audio / mic while not all boards have leads / pins or connectors for it

11:44 <kayterina> thanks igor. when you say chip, you mean the h3, correct?

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11:59 <Werner> Or SoC in general

12:02 <ArmbianTwitter> @blu51899890 (blu): @never_released @armbian @NVIDIAEmbedded 'Maybe I'm too demanding, may I'm just like father -- too bold'. https://tinyurl.com/yz9pzsjv (5s ago)

12:26 <ArmbianTwitter> @MayaPosch (Maya Posch): Man, pretty rough start with my first ever Pine64 product: got two PineCube (S3L SoC) units and ran them through their paces with the 'Community Supported' Armbian release. Both units lock up when there's any heavy (sustained) Ethernet/WiFi traffic. Going to be a fun one... https://tinyurl.com/ydn7dobp (3s ago)

13:01 <ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @MayaPosch Do you think cpu is overheating at full IO? Short-term workaround might be lowering frequency and changing governor. Can all be done via armbian-config command https://tinyurl.com/yjfxr74c (21s ago)

13:09 <ArmbianTwitter> @MayaPosch (Maya Posch): @lanefu Underclocking the system seems like a good start, yeah. I just used the Armbian images (Focal & Buster) as-is, with only setting up user accounts and WiFi. On the bright side, I can reliably trigger the fault :) https://tinyurl.com/ye4vsw7x (11s ago)

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13:30 <dutchfish> hi, with latest stable edition in stalled, can someone help me to solve: odroidn2 systemd[1]: haveged.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE

13:31 <IgorPec> https://www.armbian.com/bugs

13:31 <Xogium> do you have other lines ? Surely this single one isn't all

13:31 <dutchfish> Xogium, sure, i will paste in pastebin, a sec

13:33 <dutchfish> https://paste.debian.net/1189347/

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13:33 <IgorPec> use bug report form

13:33 <IgorPec> to understand whats needed

13:33 <dutchfish> This bug is already there on a fresh install

13:33 <IgorPec> and?

13:34 <IgorPec> if you don't provide info that is needed, we all only waste time

13:35 <dutchfish> +IgorPec, what you need?

13:35 <IgorPec> click on that link and read!

13:35 <dutchfish> Ok, i figure it out

13:35 <Xogium> weird… I've never seen this error before

13:36 <Xogium> maybe the kernel is missing something haveged needs ?

13:36 <IgorPec> we don't even know which kernel he use

13:37 <Xogium> though the haveged manpage say this particular error can also mean

13:37 <Xogium> Invalid data or instruction cache size.

13:39 <Xogium> does armbian set some specific settings for haveged ?

13:39 <Xogium> they might not work on every device if so

13:39 <IgorPec> not that i recall

13:39 <Xogium> random guessing

13:39 <Xogium> pun intended

13:40 <IgorPec> but if someone reports a bug and provides no data, case is closed

13:40 <IgorPec> we cover too many devices

13:40 <IgorPec> with too many differen kernel interfaces

13:40 <Xogium> heh

13:40 <IgorPec> i can waste hours just to narrov down

13:40 <IgorPec> why exactly?

13:42 <IgorPec> igorp@odroidn2:~$ journalctl -x | grep haveged

13:42 <buZz> whats the actual error @ 'haveged' error?

13:42 <IgorPec> i have none

13:42 <buZz> ah

13:42 <buZz> Mar 12 19:43:52 odroidn2 haveged[1836]: haveged: Couldn't initialize HAVEGE rng 9

13:42 <buZz> does your hw even have that rng?

13:42 <dutchfish> IgorPec, done. see: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/17276-haveged-fails-to-start-systemd/

13:42 <Xogium> haveged is a software rng

13:42 <Xogium> it doesn't use hw rng

13:42 <buZz> what happens when you start it yourself?

13:43 <IgorPec> i think this is related to entropy

13:43 <dutchfish> IgorPec, i have no clue, i understand kernels, but not rng

13:43 <buZz> try > haveged -F -v 1

13:43 <buZz> as root

13:44 <buZz> does that work?

13:44 <Xogium> IgorPec: yes haveged is a software random number generator / entropy gathering

13:44 <dutchfish> buZz, haveged: Couldn't initialize HAVEGE rng 9

13:44 <IgorPec> here too

13:45 <dutchfish> at the moment my device suffors from random number depletion

13:45 <Xogium> random idea… You got anything in dmesg ?

13:45 <dutchfish> Xogium, a sec i will pastebin my dmesg

13:46 <dutchfish> ouch pastebinit failed on me

13:46 <dutchfish> a sec

13:46 <IgorPec> aha, broken only on N2

13:46 <IgorPec> root@nanopi-r4s:/home/igorp# haveged -F -v 1

13:46 <IgorPec> haveged starting up

13:46 <IgorPec> haveged: tot tests(BA8): A:1/1 B:1/1 continuous tests(B): last entropy estimate 7.99753

13:46 <IgorPec> haveged: ver: 1.9.1; arch: generic; vend: ; build: (gcc 8.3.0 CTV); collect: 128K

13:46 <IgorPec> haveged: cpu: (VC); data: 16K (D); inst: 16K (D); idx: 11/40; sz: 15528/64688

13:46 <IgorPec> haveged: fills: 0, generated: 0

13:46 <dutchfish> yes, this is Odroid N2+

13:48 <dutchfish> My dmesg output https://paste.debian.net/1189349/

13:50 <IgorPec> https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/kernel/linux-meson64-current.config#L3828

13:50 <IgorPec> modinfo meson_rng

13:50 <IgorPec> author: Lawrence Mok <lawrence.mok@amlogic.com>

13:50 <IgorPec> filename: /lib/modules/5.10.20-meson64/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random/meson-rng.ko

13:50 <IgorPec> author: Neil Armstrong <narmstrong@baylibre.com>

13:50 <IgorPec> license: Dual BSD/GPL

13:50 <IgorPec> this is present

13:50 <Xogium> holy hell that pastebin crashed my screen reader

13:51 <dutchfish> IgorPec, you want me to rebuild that kernel?

13:52 <IgorPec> no, you don't need to rebuilt anything

13:52 <IgorPec> you have that kernel and its the same on mine

13:52 <dutchfish> Ok

13:52 <IgorPec> which is latest 5.10

13:52 <dutchfish> right

13:52 <IgorPec> i would ask baylibre guys

13:52 <dutchfish> I have latest stable, as i already reported

13:53 <dutchfish> i have no issues with haveged on Debian Buster, Debian testing and T2 linux. only on armdebian

13:53 <IgorPec> its not armbian problem

13:54 <IgorPec> you have a problem with N2

13:54 <dutchfish> s/armdebian/armbian sorry

13:54 <ArmbianHelper> dutchfish meant to say: i have no issues with haveged on Debian Buster, Debian testing and T2 linux. only on armbian sorry

13:54 <IgorPec> rng works on Armbian with Rockchip RK3399 ... checked

13:54 <dutchfish> IgorPec, can you enlighten me a bit more?

13:54 <IgorPec> probably elsewhere too

13:55 <buZz> dutchfish: try a different kernel version?

13:55 <IgorPec> its kernel issue

13:55 <IgorPec> armbian userland is identical on all boards

13:55 <dutchfish> hence i asked, if i should rebuild the kernel?

13:55 <IgorPec> and what will that help? :)

13:55 <dutchfish> to triage th ebug

13:56 <IgorPec> the problem exists in latest 5.10.y kernel too

13:56 <dutchfish> (that is if you are sure, it is a kernel bug)

13:56 <IgorPec> i am sure

13:56 <dutchfish> Ok, fair enough, i will dig into it.

13:56 <IgorPec> just don't have time to dig into the kernel driver, a bit too much for sunday afternoon, while fixing otgher things

13:56 <dutchfish> Thanks for the fish, bye

13:57 <IgorPec> try 5.11.y kernel

13:57 <IgorPec> that's easy, armbian-config -> system -> alternative kernels

13:57 <dutchfish> Already compiling it :)

13:57 <IgorPec> and see if this is fixed there

13:57 <dutchfish> cya

13:58 <IgorPec> cya

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14:21 <PPA> sunshavi: just build it yourself

14:21 <PPA> https://github.com/armbian/build

14:22 <PPA> run it with ./compile.sh EXPERT="yes" and select the dev kernel (despite all the scary red warnings)

14:22 <PPA> Orange Pi PC images build well (Pine H64 and Rock64 images do not)

14:23 <IgorPec> what's wrong with H64 images??

14:42 <sunshavi> PPA:thanks

14:42 <PPA> Igor: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/17211-error-in-function-install_deb_chroot/

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14:50 <IgorPec> hirsute?

14:50 <IgorPec> bullseye?

14:50 <IgorPec> werner answered what is the problem

14:54 <PPA> There is no problem, ut you asked what was wrong there

14:54 <IgorPec> qemu bug

14:54 <PPA> (Both build fine for OPiPC though)

14:55 <IgorPec> armhf

14:55 <IgorPec> those builds are not supported

14:55 <PPA> Ah, that'd explain it

14:56 <IgorPec> you can build natively on arm64 machine or on hirsute buildhost

14:56 <IgorPec> but it can also break ...

14:57 <IgorPec> and its not an issue, since development things breaks all the time

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18:35 <ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @MayaPosch Oh.. maybe ram starved. It.doesnt have much ram. Armbian wouldn't be optimized for that size. If there's an armbian minimal image probable best. Also disabling extra services like armbian-ramlog and armbian-zram may well https://tinyurl.com/yz5r4mmz (4s ago)

18:46 <ArmbianTwitter> @MayaPosch (Maya Posch): @lanefu I'm using the minimal image (Buster, previously Focal) from Armbian: https://t.co/BGjENwVVVe Looking in top while it's idling after having the git pull time-out, I get a load average of 0.51, 6.6, 10.6. 46.6 MB used, with 36.6 MB cached, 28.6 free. Feels like poor optimisation. https://tinyurl.com/ygzop3ka (30s ago)

18:54 <ArmbianTwitter> @lanefu (Lane Jennison): @MayaPosch Yep. None of the primary devs have one. The Amazing Icenowy added basic support but not much else. You could build a custom image with fewer packages etc via the armbian build tools. Board specific optimizations are usually done at startup via https://t.co/vsW8laNzFY https://tinyurl.com/yzjdd3jv (12s ago)

19:05 <ArmbianTwitter> @MayaPosch (Maya Posch): @lanefu I guess avoiding network transfers is key for now. Best to treat the PineCube with Armbian as one of those severely resource-limited systems, moreso than a Raspberry Pi 0 :) https://tinyurl.com/yhk53nb5 (24s ago)

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22:15 <AlbertB> Hi, I need some help with my cubieboard. I put the latest buster image on sd card but the board doesn't boot. I connected to UART. Last output is just "Starting kernel ..."

22:17 <AlbertB> I tried to stop u-boot but it didn't react. Maybe I am doing it wong. echo " " > /dev/ttyS0 doen't seem to work.

22:20 <[TheBug]> Which cubiesboard and did you get the right image?

22:20 <[TheBug]> there is A10, A20

22:20 <[TheBug]> etc

22:20 <[TheBug]> so need more info

22:20 <AlbertB> Cubieboard 3 -> Cubietruck.

22:21 <AlbertB> filename: Armbian_21.02.3_Cubietruck_buster_current_5.10.21.img

22:22 <[TheBug]> AlbertB: can you try going to https://armbian.tnahosting.net/archive/cubietruck/archive/ maybe try a slightly older image like https://armbian.tnahosting.net/archive/cubietruck/archive/Armbian_21.02.1_Cubietruck_buster_current_5.10.12.img.xz and see if same issue

22:23 <[TheBug]> if so please report back so we can note the current image is failing and get it fixed

22:24 <[TheBug]> s/if so/if it boots and works

22:24 <ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: if it boots and works please report back so we can note the current image is failing and get it fixed

22:26 <AlbertB> O.k. I'll give it a try. If it doesn't work how can I enhance log output?

22:30 <AlbertB> I found verbosity setting in ArmbianEnv.txt. I'll set it to 7.

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22:33 <AlbertB> Well, that didn't change anything regarding serial output.

22:33 <AlbertB> I'll try the older image and report back later. Thanks!

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